The concept of power-scaling has totally been fcked with Super. If someone told me Chi-chi can beat perfect-cell in Super I wont be shocked.
@Japple_Junior
Күн бұрын
I’m pretty sure that Mr. Satan in Super would actually can beat Perfect Cell for real if that’s the case.
@ganoninthepit
Күн бұрын
You could argue that Krillin solos all of Z and maybe even parts of GT. It's nuts.
@PAINBODEE
Күн бұрын
how has it been fcked?
@carso1500
Күн бұрын
@@PAINBODEE You can argue that most of the cast scales to fucking universal because Goku nearly destroyed the universe in like episode 10 So everyone who can even scratch Goku and Vegeta scales to around that level GT at most scales to galaxy to multi galaxy
@TheSuperGoober
Күн бұрын
@@carso1500 unironically believing in Galaxy Level GT in 2024 is hilarious
@spinoirrex2433
Күн бұрын
"Kakarot we need to fuse! This is base Cabba we're up against!"
@mateushenriquepinheiro3197
Күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@randomrave6635
Күн бұрын
Im a gt fan but i love these agendas 😂
@mups4016
Күн бұрын
@@randomrave6635 Stop calling everything an agenda.
@Xis_sa
23 сағат бұрын
@@mups4016but it is an agenda?
@user-vd9sn2cx9u
23 сағат бұрын
No bro base gt vegeta Is enough uub gohan is enough
@Fuuploobope
Күн бұрын
It’s never about being right or wrong it’s about pushing the agenda
@VinceSonny-x6t
18 сағат бұрын
No agenda, just facts
@willisstillhere8846
11 сағат бұрын
@@VinceSonny-x6tnah. It's agenda
@toxicron9842
10 сағат бұрын
Agenda beats all facts and logic, but this time it's just the truth
@cyndaquilisacommunist3104
7 сағат бұрын
That sums up the entire powerscaling subreddit
@TertiaryTrash
6 сағат бұрын
maintaining the agenda, is our top priority
@Satsaru
23 сағат бұрын
Hydrogen baby vs Coughing bomb
@jayken7225
16 сағат бұрын
@@Satsaru what?
@minhhoangvo4759
16 сағат бұрын
@@Satsaru baby hydrogen vs bomb coughing
@Gogeta791-Edits
16 сағат бұрын
@@minhhoangvo4759 baby bomb vs hydrogen coughing
@minhhoangvo4759
16 сағат бұрын
@@Gogeta791-Edits coughing hydrogen vs bomb baby
@Gogeta791-Edits
15 сағат бұрын
@@minhhoangvo4759 theres no more 😭
@Dep0754
Күн бұрын
We all know they are both warm ups for UI Yamcha
@shaunnindroid2315
Күн бұрын
ui yamcha destroys zeno
@CerealExperimentsMizuki
23 сағат бұрын
I love Masakox's what if Yamcha was the strongest.
@marcusthepastownerofspidereeze
19 сағат бұрын
Real
@Koalbalt
19 сағат бұрын
Ui Yamcha and Shaggy are the strongest beings, so of course Ui Yamcha solos
@jmerridew124
19 сағат бұрын
In the manga Roshi _imitated_ Ultra Instinct and was able to dodge Jiren's attacks multiple times. Unironically I think you might be right.
@inkchariot6147
Күн бұрын
Cabba got Zenkai hacks, he'd fight Gogeta for five minutes and just become SSJ4 out of nowhere.
@primesonic4459
23 сағат бұрын
"My back is SUPERRRRR TINGELING"
@remoGB
20 сағат бұрын
@@primesonic4459 the fact i could hear Franky's voice in the back of my head while reading your comment 😭
@digglesworths6255
19 сағат бұрын
@@primesonic4459 that was kale and caulifla. Unironically bro was the only u6 saiyan to gain his power in a non bs way 😂.
@primesonic4459
19 сағат бұрын
@@digglesworths6255 I know It's just so annoying and the entire batch now feels poisoned
@Eggs543
18 сағат бұрын
@@digglesworths6255 To be fair, Cabba was the one who invent that method
@chuviis3508
Күн бұрын
"WE SAIYANS HAVE NO LIMITS!!!!!"🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥 CABBA DA 🐐
@iwanturtoes2077
17 сағат бұрын
@@chuviis3508 LETS CHARGE TOGETHER AT FULL POWER
@אלוןזכרייב-ע5כ
5 сағат бұрын
RAHHHHHHH
@user-kc5pc1iq7k
48 минут бұрын
GAME OVER 🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸📸
@sirius_raspberry
Күн бұрын
This is the real Death Battle that we need
@TheSaladBar
Күн бұрын
All because of Nathaniel ☝️
@Jsipki265
18 сағат бұрын
@@TheSaladBar Why aren’t you giving Z scaling to Super?
@hobobobo3204
15 сағат бұрын
@@Jsipki265 beacause its the z anime Super goes off Kai scaling
@Jsipki265
15 сағат бұрын
@@hobobobo3204 Never stated and Goku recognized arale when he met her in DB og filler so kai is impossible to be canon to Super.
@Flap_jacks69
15 сағат бұрын
@@Jsipki265 you do realize goku meeting arale was a filler episode right? Not to mention even then gt has scaling to the movies of z which scale above super like the jenamba feat.
@ilvostrofigherrimogogeta
Күн бұрын
Cabba is cracked, but imagine how strong would Majuub be if GT followed the moro arc
@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle
Күн бұрын
Majuub is probably going to be the strongest non-saiyan in the universe if his little feat in the Moro saga says anything
@humanman9920
22 сағат бұрын
Base GT Goku destroyed sugoroku space which is established an infinite between space and time as well as life and death , a feat yet to be matched by dbs . Don't really see how moro arc is supposed to make him stronger by scaling above weaker characters .
@SuperDababy2
20 сағат бұрын
@@humanman9920 BoG Goku was about to break the universe just from getting hit and hitting back. That same feat was what made OMEGA SHENRON a big deal in GT. Goku was doing it in the beginning of Super just by tanking hits and throwing them back out.
@ashuraomega1000
20 сағат бұрын
@@humanman9920The Suguroku Space and the realm that holds it are specifically stated to transcend the platonic concepts of space and time so even at a lowball the realm should be outerversal. The problem is GT Goku never actually scales to the dimension itself. It was already collapsing prior to him supposedly "destroying" it and even that isn't concrete since it was never actually shown that Goku destroyed the Suguroku Space, only that he was able to escape from it.
@BingleDingleBiggleBorf
9 сағат бұрын
@@SuperDababy2 Friendly reminder that Omega Shenron reaching multiversal is a big deal because he did it by fucking emoting.
@tuexyyy
17 сағат бұрын
"that boy cabba got ssj2?! my ahh better stay in GT or else I'm FINISHED 😭😭"
@doodoobam5221
6 сағат бұрын
😭 citizens of universe 7 lend me some ki this is base cabba we’re up against
@Serdun
Күн бұрын
Cabba wins because it's funnier, fuck the scaling
@BappO-is-me
Күн бұрын
Facts, my fellow mortal, spit thy divine shit indeed!
@ShubaSayori
23 сағат бұрын
Gohan blanco wins actually
@Serdun
23 сағат бұрын
@@ShubaSayori 👎
@ShubaSayori
23 сағат бұрын
@@Serdun ᗜˬᗜ
@Flame-i5g
23 сағат бұрын
@@ShubaSayori Nah, Krusty Krab Broly solos
@SaiyanScholar
22 сағат бұрын
Honestly, really good video. I respect the fact you made it clear GT is a continuation of the Z Anime and what that actually means.
@Top_E_Official
21 сағат бұрын
@SaiyanScholar You need to make a video about this, too. These super fanboys are getting out of control.
@SosukeTYBW
21 сағат бұрын
@@Top_E_Official super fanboys act like their series only one hit these high levels of scaling
@Iluvvegito
19 сағат бұрын
@@Top_E_Official exactly
@Nighproductions
19 сағат бұрын
U should make a video of this goat
@SaiyanScholar
19 сағат бұрын
@@Nighproductions All done guys!
@AhmedHussain-ju6xd
Күн бұрын
Who'd win: "A fusion formed from pinnacle of siayan race summoning the power of the legend and ozaru" OR One back tingly boi
@caiguycrafter
Күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure that was Caulifla, not Cabba. God that back tingly thing is the stupidest thing I've EVER heard
@FireofthetigerYT
Күн бұрын
@@AhmedHussain-ju6xd SSJ4 Gogeta was the combination of a Saiyan who got his power via a literal asspull and one who required a Blutz Wave Viagra machine to even transform Cabba only compared the feeling of Super Saiyan, he never gained the form via that method, if anything his awakenings of SSJ and SSJ2 (in the anime at least) were some of the best in the entire series Don’t fuck with Dragon Ball fans we haven’t even watched the show
@blindmanzero3766
23 сағат бұрын
@@FireofthetigerYT fam to say ssj4 was an ass pull is like saying the og ssj was an ass pull not to mention the blutz wave thing was the only way to make gogeta a thing in the show cuz vegeta didnt have his tail thats why i hate they did it that way cuz someone always saying something about it the thing is tho all it did was hit him with blutz waves basiclly making it like he stared at the moon it gave him no power boost all it did was trigger his great ape transformation then vegeta still had to then turn into ssj4 on his own ssj4 is a result of vegetas hard work over the years all he need was a tail
@humanman9920
22 сағат бұрын
@@FireofthetigerYTThe last sentence is a good introduction for urself for calling one of the most earned forms an asspull lmao . Although u're right Cabba's forms might just be one of most earned in dbs .
@Neuvillete4.6
22 сағат бұрын
@@blindmanzero3766 ssj4 is an literal asspull he pulled his tail from his ass
@Anewstart434
Күн бұрын
Stand proud SS4 gogeta… you are strong.
@kennydubrey3568
20 сағат бұрын
“ Kakarot , we need to fuse. This is super krillin we are up against…”
@Onlyafool172
59 минут бұрын
@@kennydubrey3568 lmao
@Japple_Junior
Күн бұрын
I actually think Kefla vs SSJ4 Gogete would be kind of a more interesting debate.
@Ryujibarbarian
Күн бұрын
@@Japple_Junior better debate than........cabba of all people
@ItsjusKjfr
23 сағат бұрын
Ehhh idk it would be one sided kefla no diffs
@MRBass6000
23 сағат бұрын
Base kefla was so strong that she made top goku go ssjb. Base Kefla destroys.
@blue-ki5ip
23 сағат бұрын
@@MRBass6000 heavily weakened but sure
@Saiyan_Raised_On_Earth1
23 сағат бұрын
@@MRBass6000 top goku was power drained Weird Brainrot ah kids
@dreamy8899
Күн бұрын
"lets postpone our fight for now base cabba" said super soy 4
@dellmaxson2184
Күн бұрын
Ah, I see your a one-piece fan with this quote. Nice, a person of culture.
@Razor-Gun
Күн бұрын
"Yes, that would be the most advantageous for both of us!", responded Base Chadbba
@jekisimartines3291
22 сағат бұрын
Love how the memes spread outside of Reddit
@VinceSonny-x6t
18 сағат бұрын
Super Soyian
@Web720
12 сағат бұрын
Coming from Cabba the Soyian.
@joemama0619
Күн бұрын
His full name is Base Cabba
@TangyGuest1
15 сағат бұрын
The Goku (Mid) of Super
@LavaIsSatire
23 сағат бұрын
the jokes are absolutely hilarious, but as a gt fan i cant stand when some geek says "cabba unironically solos" because theyre baised against gt
@xeratovildan9871
23 сағат бұрын
Okay but outside of ssj4 gogeta, unless you hyper wank GT, Cabba will unironically solo most the verse. Maybe not in base, but ssj4 goku and vegeta don't have any scaling to suggest they should be anywhere near that level of power. And there are some official guidebooks that compare ssj4 goku from the baby arc to Super vegito, someone cabba is directly thousands of times above if not higher. I get that it's frustrating to hear, I'd be annoyed too, but you can't hate on them for being (mostly) accurate.
@KiraiKatsuji
23 сағат бұрын
@@xeratovildan9871 Ok but like shacking all of Otherworld with Hell,Heaven and the inbetween while not meaning to and in base is certainly impressive. And that is a mistranslation as it wasn't comparing Baby Arc SSJ4 Goku to Super Vegetto but rather the boost that SSJ4 offered being that which Vegetto in Super Saiyan was to Goku and Vegeta. So in other words in Buu Saga if Goku or Vegeta were to go into the exact same Multiplier for Super Saiyan 4 as Goku did in Baby saga their power would be on level of Super Vegetto.
@humanman9920
23 сағат бұрын
@@xeratovildan9871 No brother , only thing getting hyper wanked here is dbs . Sugoroku space destruction by Base GT Goku is well established to be soloing dbs so far, as the place is established an infinite simply between space and time as well as life and death. The comparison of Ssj4 and Vegito was multiplier with no mention of an arc , don't spread misinformation on this level , it's a bit disingenuous to say such wild stuff without watching the show , where statements since Base Rildo are implying the current characters are the strongest , with Super baby's statement being a 100% dead end already for dbz Vegito , and even that if we wank dbz Vegito in GT timeline saying he was actually much stronger than shown to be standing a chance to Base GT Goku in baby arc at all , which of course wouldn't apply to dbz Vegito in super continuity .
@molassesman4066
23 сағат бұрын
@KiraiKatsuji you wanna know the funny part about that multiplyer Since we know potara is A x B (i think it was in a Vjump) and ssj3 is only at 400x, that puts ssj4's multiplyer at what gokus base form was during the buu saga, with ssjg being even absurdly more, Its strange to think a ssj4 or ssjg would easily be able to take out near infinite ssj3s when all other forms are ballparks of each other in comparison
@KiraiKatsuji
22 сағат бұрын
@@molassesman4066 That is ridiculous and at least in Super has been retconned to both fusee's added together and magnified by tens of times.
@sethb3090
Күн бұрын
I mean, this is fair. Cabba was entered as one of the three strongest in his universe.
@RulerOfYore
22 сағат бұрын
Which ended being false because Caulifla was stronger.
@TheBlaze22b
20 сағат бұрын
@@RulerOfYore bro learn to read he said one of the three
@RulerOfYore
19 сағат бұрын
@@TheBlaze22b I did read. “One of the three strongest.” I assumed he meant of the people picked for the tournament not of all Saiyans.
@gokublack.16yr
19 сағат бұрын
@@RulerOfYore does that mean caulifa destroys GT 💀💀
@NeonSwordsManFangattack
19 сағат бұрын
@@RulerOfYore Caulfila, Kale, and Hit all being stronger
@BigSilent21
Күн бұрын
Cabbage Vs Ssj4 Carrot
@pokade3659
22 сағат бұрын
Carrot Salad*
@LoadedBruiser686
Күн бұрын
Based Cabba vs Goatgeta 4 is crazy
@teqhchaser
Күн бұрын
FOR THE AGENDA🗣️🗣️🗣️💥
@Muu9112
20 сағат бұрын
People use that one vague unrelated magazine statement to downplay the shit out of GT and run with it. Any amount of actual thought put into it would make it obvious GT scales a lot higher than buu saga vegito lol
@TCBlueFire
4 сағат бұрын
It canon but people are misinformed on what it means. It simply means ssj vegito multiplier is better than ssj4 multiplier. No where on the guild said anything about goku
@Starlight-vo9ls
22 сағат бұрын
its just because dbs scaling is shit and makes no sense. "power creep times 4!"
@StareachValcin
19 сағат бұрын
I honestly don't think that Cabba can handle Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta.
@solomonogbe-d9x
7 сағат бұрын
Cabba aint even GT vegeta level, proven in xv2
@bluetone-amv
7 сағат бұрын
Maybe Cabba can't... but Base Cabba makes Gogeta run to the hills.
@solomonogbe-d9x
4 сағат бұрын
@@bluetone-amv Daima will replace dbs yknow. no point in scaling Cabba once daima comes
@matthew5553
Күн бұрын
Can't believe this debate has returned lol
@OneKind-kj8tw
21 сағат бұрын
Nothing but pure goofiness
@cantthinkofausername5989
Күн бұрын
An excellent video that gives both a fair shake. Refreshing to see a “Gogeta wins” take that isn’t just saying Cabba doesn’t scale to God level because reasons (usually bad ones). My only issue/point of contention would be that Gogeta has infinite speed while Cabba doesn’t. I don’t see how the shockwaves reaching outside U7 to the Supreme Kai world isn’t infinite speed when flying from heaven to hell is. Gogeta would probably still be faster (how exactly one is faster when you’re both infinite speed I don’t know, but hey, Dragon Ball, don’t question it), I just can’t buy it being an infinite difference. Especially because those shockwaves would also have to be crossing heaven and hell to destroy the whole thing. Would love to see your take on Super Goku vs GT Goku, preferably the manga for the former because the powerscaling there isn’t as wack, but I certainly wouldn’t complain if you went with anime.
@Amsel_616
15 сағат бұрын
When both are infinite speed and one us just faster it's not really just a DB, but Powerscaling in general. Tho it is based on a concept that some infinites can be bigger than others.
@dogevillage7184
14 сағат бұрын
I definately agree with your critique with cabba not also being infiinite speed and to answer the infinity thing. Infinites can be bigger than another by theory, an example being that you add by +1 infinatly and as infinity does it goes on forever, now lets say you add by +2 infinatly, that means it goes on forever as well but the key difference being that adding by +2 will always be bigger than just by adding by +1. Now this theory is not exactly confirmed but assumed and it was created by a man named Georg Cantor in the 19th century i believe. So i hope this answers your question!
@TheCoroboCorner
13 сағат бұрын
@@dogevillage7184 Infinities can come in different sizes, but not all of them are different sizes. Adding +2 infinitely is the same as adding +1 infinitely; they are both countably infinite. It's a misconception about the sizes of infinity.
@Web720
11 сағат бұрын
Depends on where GT Goku is, past Omega or 100 years later.
@solomonogbe-d9x
7 сағат бұрын
Cabba aint even GT vegeta level, proven in xv2
@DanielLopes-dh2hv
Күн бұрын
Super just proves how weak U7 is. We learn in the Moro arc that kid buu had all of the God ki from the original supreme Ki. And since kid buu lost to "Goku", that means kid buu was actually pretty week. And since base vegeta was somehow struggling with base Cabba, then u7 is the weakest universe
@michaeldoerrler2363
15 сағат бұрын
@@DanielLopes-dh2hv isn't u7 the 2nd lowest mortal level? Maybe that applies to power as well.
@sun_vfx
11 сағат бұрын
@@michaeldoerrler2363no it only for how many mortals are even existing in the universe (not many in uni 7)
@ashuraomega1000
7 сағат бұрын
Bro didn't watch the show 💀🙏
@hatsusama3296
4 сағат бұрын
The god ki thing its also overestimate for nothing
@lupusreginabeta3318
22 сағат бұрын
5:50 No the Energy they clash with has to travel at infinite speed if it is going to destroy multiple infinite realms
@dkgaming2423
21 сағат бұрын
Nahhhhh
@joelsilva4176
18 сағат бұрын
@@dkgaming2423 "Nah" what? Read the guidebooks
@SuperKamiGuruu
18 сағат бұрын
@@dkgaming2423 cope
@spinoirrex2433
13 сағат бұрын
Bulma's statement makes it not true for Super
@Clark510
12 сағат бұрын
Even then cooler is canon to gt and in cooler 2nd movie goku and him fight in immeasurable speeds
@TwilightNK
Күн бұрын
Save the Gogeta 4 riders, Salad Saiyan…
@PetarBladeStrok
19 сағат бұрын
0:05 That Cabba vs SSJ4 Gogeta rendition of Mihawk vs Vista panel has me DYING! 😂😂
@somekami3375
Күн бұрын
“That boy Cabba can go Super Saiyan 2 now? I better keep my ass in GT or I’m *FINISHED* .” But honestly as a fan of Cabba, it’s funny as hell to see my boy in this meme. THE AGENDA WILL BE PUSHED One other thing, it’s funny to see the one piece agenda jokes used in these things too lol
@8701F
23 сағат бұрын
90% makes sense. Vegeta was holding back in the cabba fight though
@xeratovildan9871
23 сағат бұрын
Ah yes, the "I don't like this so I'm going to fanon and say he was holding back even though it's directly stated and shown to be equal!"
@schemar17
22 сағат бұрын
@@xeratovildan9871 he literally tanked SSJ Cabba attack
@hyperboiie2968
20 сағат бұрын
@@schemar17 Vegeta also word for word said Cabba's base was equal to his
@schemar17
19 сағат бұрын
@@hyperboiie2968 that's irrelevant when their SSJs aren't matched
@hyperboiie2968
19 сағат бұрын
@@schemar17 maybe because he just got the form and Vegeta has improved his ssj from the Cell saga and onwards.
@ilovenierreplicant2983
Күн бұрын
Nathaniel is fr the true pillar of the dragon ball community.
@TheSaladBar
Күн бұрын
The goat…
@FaultehBoi
20 сағат бұрын
tbh i am tired of the people getting mad at the power scaling. The androids and cell are literally hundreds of times stronger than frieza and they wee created by a MERE HUMAN. Buu is literally the exact same fucking thing. Created by magic and it can overscale the so-called gods (kaioshins) with no effort at all. CREATED BY AN ALIEN RAT WITH DOWN SYNDROME AND A CRACK ADDICTION 😭 This was all on the same universe. Now cabba is from ANOTHER universe which is 100% canon that universes dont follow the same rules as the others. (goku and friends couldnt sense triangle of danger's ki. In u7, it would mean either android, god ki or dead. But since goku cannot also sense their ki, it has to be that it just works differently) U6 saiyans are far stronger than SS3. Lets just accept it, they are way more evolved and they dont follow necessarily the same rules as u7. Trying to imply the same rules to other dimensions and paralel universes is so STUPID. Its even mentioned in the anime how they cant feel their opponents ki most of the time cuz they are from other realities separated of what WE, the viewers, grew up.
@sketchysketches381
19 сағат бұрын
We can go back further than that the Z-Fighters trained with Popo and somehow became stronger than Raditz which required Piccolo and Goku to kill. Everyone pretends that Super is when the scaling gets whacky when people get crazy ass power ups throughout Z with no real explanation
@SuperKamiGuruu
18 сағат бұрын
finally some decent, sound fucking logic and reasoning
@FaultehBoi
18 сағат бұрын
@@sketchysketches381 remember when yamcha and tien took out the ginyu force so easily? They surpassed goku and vegeta from saiyan saga when goku literally had the same training as them (Even if its not canon cuz its filler. But the guy from the video uses filler and movies separated from the official material so this could also be a valid argument
@sketchysketches381
18 сағат бұрын
@@FaultehBoi I've started to consider the anime as a separate canon to the manga. It's just easier to consider it as it's own timeline. I honestly count the filler because it's not crazier than any of the other scaling and people really talk about movies, manga, and anime as completely different things unless it was stated otherwise by a reputable source. Lots of people that do scaling casually have never even picked up the manga lol
@FaultehBoi
18 сағат бұрын
@@sketchysketches381 i see manga and kai as canon since well... manga was first and most of the events in DBS are not related to filler. (Frieza not knowing about buu vs goku. This was perfect for me. No idea how zorbet and crew knows but i rather dbs frieza with him being less of a "spoiled child" and he knoiwng about goku defeating buu was shocking but he was like "i recognize he became strong... i gotta change something then")
@CyberMan__0
16 сағат бұрын
"Stand proud, SSJ4 Gogeta, you are strong" -Base Cabba 🐐
@JohnPizzapasta
Күн бұрын
We glazing the U6 Saiyans with this one 🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥
@YoMamaBih
Күн бұрын
Thank. You. People always try to underscale GT.
@ashuraomega1000
20 сағат бұрын
GT doesn't scale anywhere past universal
@SuperKamiGuruu
18 сағат бұрын
@@ashuraomega1000yes it does, GT is still weak as piss and overwanked though
@ArtStylesYT
17 сағат бұрын
@@ashuraomega1000 what are you talking about bro 😭🙏🏾💀
@gabrielvivarleiva9706
17 сағат бұрын
@@ashuraomega1000 bro don't watched the video
@laniswaray2220
12 сағат бұрын
Gt is very weak brother, destroying the universe over time isn’t impressive that’s a buu saga feat give me cabba still
@rustyrattle5776
20 сағат бұрын
Nice vid but I believe there are a few errors: -Vegeta literally stated before going into the HTC with Goku for 3 years that they wouldn't benefit much if at all from such training because their base strength was already nearing its limits -There is a huge misconception regarding Goku making SS God's power his own; this just means he can use it without the need of the ritual and the other Saiyans. At the end of BOG, the way Goku was using that power was through what people refer to as 'Saiyan Beyond God', a state in which Saiyans tap into godly power without SS God's appearance. Goku and Vegeta trained with Whis to master this state and be able to stack Super Saiyan on top of it, which is where SS Blue comes from. This is why in Resurrection F they go from seemingly black haired base form (even though it's really 'Saiyan Beyond God') to Super Saiyan Blue directly; they're simply turning into Super Saiyans, but god ki turns their hair blue. All of this was literally explained by Toriyama on more than one occassion, you even put the evidence in the video but completely misinterpreted it -Vegeta was using his normal base power against Cabba, not Saiyan Beyond God, which is why him turning Super Saiyan made his hair blonde, not blue. That alone debunks the notion that Cabba is even close to SS God Goku from Battle of Gods -Even if Cabba was relative to that level (he's not) the franchise itself has shown us on more than one occassion that Super Saiyan 4 is comparable to Super Saiyan Blue in terms of power; the SDBH manga, which is a licensed product and really the only place where these two continuities can interact officially, outright showed SS4 has the same multiplier as SSB. In general, the franchise always treats GT's hard hitters as being comparable to some very respectable tiers of power in DBS -Using destructive feats is one of the worst ways to scale characters inside the Dragon Ball verse. Most people in DBZ, DBS and DBGT haven't been shown destroying planets and yet we don't assume they're automatically incapable of doing so, or comparing with other characters who have pulled off said feats. It's all determined by the narrative, and I can assure you, no official narrative supports Cabba rivaling SS4 Gogeta SS4 Gogeta could quite glare at Cabba like he did against Omega Shenron and the fight would be over instantly
@ashuraomega1000
20 сағат бұрын
Why do people keep using the Heroes argument? Heroes Gogeta is not the same as GT Gogeta. Heroes is just much stronger which is why he can fight SSB level characters, the multiplier SSJ4 gives him is still inferior to the god forms
@rhysbrockfenton
20 сағат бұрын
@@ashuraomega1000 technically there’s a Heroes version of GT Gogeta who is legitimately comparable to Xeno Gogeta
@rustyrattle5776
19 сағат бұрын
@@ashuraomega1000 if you read the manga before commenting, you'll realize that the chapter in which Goku and Xeno Goku fight, they're shown to be dead even in base form. And when they go SS Blue and SS4 respectively, they still remain equals, which means the SS4 multiplier = the SSB multiplier. Besides, out of verse, do you really think they show these two continuities standing side by side just for the sake of it? Lol They're clearly trying to show they're comparable to each other. And it's always like this, each time both of them appear in some official cross-over
@Noah123204
19 сағат бұрын
Not to be that guy but its not that deep
@hoothoot2112
19 сағат бұрын
@@ashuraomega1000 ehhh... GT Gogeta and Xeno Gogeta are still relative to each other and closer than you think. There's this one story in SDBH where the Time Patrol travels back to the GT Gogeta vs Omega Shenron fight. GT Gogeta lets himself get assimilated by a character called Majin Fin (who has similar absorbtion powers to Majin Buu) just to troll, and he is practically even with Xeno Gogeta. Then GT Gogeta gets tired of fooling around and gets Majin Fin off of him
@Tokumei89714
23 сағат бұрын
The bog Goku’s feat is better than The ones we’ve seen in Z since he and Beerus could destroy the entire macrocosm not just one universe
@Tokumei89714
23 сағат бұрын
Also the infinite speed scale is low key debunkable because if Goku was that fast he wouldn’t need to transform
@mrheebee_jeebees2432
20 сағат бұрын
@@Tokumei89714 yk Goku doesn't transform just for speed right? He also uses transformations to increase his power, that isn't even the only infinite speed feat Z Goku has
@Tokumei89714
20 сағат бұрын
@@mrheebee_jeebees2432 Infinite speed means you would also have infinite force tho
@venture7486
18 сағат бұрын
@@Tokumei89714 Not really. Some characters are faster than light and yet can't even destroy a planet-Omni-Man being one such example. The kinetic energy formula should only be used on a case-by-case basis in fiction.
@abeyohando4976
17 сағат бұрын
@@Tokumei89714 being layers into infinite exists
@divineshrek3307
20 сағат бұрын
I'm over here licking my fingers. It's nice watching an actual in depth explanation, using actual scaling, on why GT doesn't get soloed by the weakest Super character lmao
@SuperKamiGuruu
18 сағат бұрын
It's smoke and mirrors
@divineshrek3307
17 сағат бұрын
@@SuperKamiGuruu They're just using C4
@CerealExperimentsMizuki
23 сағат бұрын
Honestly got me in the first half, giving such a scarily accurate scaling of Cabba, then hitting me with the GT wank. All going off of Omega, when he was going to destroy just the Living Universe and Kioshin Realm not even with his own power and over time.
@Daan-Dovah
21 сағат бұрын
Then allow me Gt official data books said Baby Vegeta's Revenge Deathball is a erasure technique just like hakai, said technique reaches shigoku space which is beyond the macrocosm as even the kai's can't reach it, said space is also a infinite void just like the one in top and base gt goku before he got ssj4 or even his tail one shots it putting his base at or above mui goku in t.o.p and baby vegeta base was beating all 3 of gt goku's forms and we all know ssj4 gogeta is far stronger than both baby and gt goku during that arc, perhaps this is a simpler explanation, also in gt instant transmission and kai kai aren't instant teleportation but them moving faster than time and space so revenge deathball has so much pressure that it bypasses time and space itself
@cross2964
20 сағат бұрын
@Daan-Dovah Really tired of the Sugorku wank. Sugoroku space is a dimension that exists within the Void. The misinterpreted quote is, "Wander the infinite space between dimensions forever." Which is referring to the Void they end up in after Sugoroku Space collapses. Also, Sugoroku Space was already collapsing before Goku tried anything, lessening the feat even further.
@Zpaphandlerrr
19 сағат бұрын
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Wank? Bro are you actually serious?
@Zpaphandlerrr
19 сағат бұрын
@@Daan-Dovah Thank you for stating actual sources and not asspull “Scaling” (non-canon by the way) and feats that literally any character with a higher power can do if not better. True Dragonball fan, unlike these people
@Daan-Dovah
19 сағат бұрын
@@Zpaphandlerrr I try my best
@caiguycrafter
Күн бұрын
Thank God for making this video 😂 I have no idea where this meme came from and it honestly is a sucky meme that just makes us DB fans look worse. I wanted to point out, you did miss a little something from the original Z anime that would boost Gogeta's power even more. In the Frieza Saga, it was stated that second form Frieza ALONE was universal, putting Buu far beyond just universal, and therefore making Gogeta even further beyond that.
@AllMight6
23 сағат бұрын
That was just a bad translation
@caiguycrafter
23 сағат бұрын
@@AllMight6 but it still applies to Z 🤷🏼♂️
@SosukeTYBW
21 сағат бұрын
@@caiguycrafter thank God he got the scaling of gt right
@king_vlad
Күн бұрын
I believe that vegeta and cabba are the same strength without vegeta using his base god power
@dylonmurphy2806
19 сағат бұрын
I mean, this is just common sense. Ssj4 Goku and Vegeta would solo everyone in the U6 tournament.
@TakeshiInazuma
22 сағат бұрын
Great video. One thing you missed is Buu arc Kai version still uses the same Buuhan dimensional feat, and possibly the Goku and Pikkon traveling to hell feat as well.
@tristysstuff6664
Күн бұрын
"Nah I better stay my ass in GT, or I'm FINISHED...!" -SSJ4 Gogeta
@Hajime790
22 сағат бұрын
''Nah i better stay my ass in Super, or I'm FINISHED...! - Cabba
@tristysstuff6664
19 сағат бұрын
@@Hajime790 Stop riding that SSJ4 tail
@justaspiral
19 сағат бұрын
It’s okay bro. Cabba is strong but he is NOT beating a SSJ4 Gogeta. It’s just so unrealistic so.
@Zpaphandlerrr
19 сағат бұрын
@@justaspiral we can’t convince people who don’t watch the source material actual facts, just let him doze off the drugs he’s on.
@justaspiral
19 сағат бұрын
@@Zpaphandlerrr lmao
@OrientalBales
20 сағат бұрын
Fun fact: the super exciting-guide on page 59 states that otherworld has no concept of time. Saiyan saga goku was moving through this realm from king kai's planet back to enma's check-in station. Saiyan saga goku can move in places where time does not exist. Cabba and Gogeta 4 have this feat and scale above him. Both of them have immeasurable speed.
@ViperineHero
14 сағат бұрын
absorbing super saiyan god into base just ruinged power scaling for me like, would it really be that bad if that one thing was removed??
@laniswaray2220
12 сағат бұрын
It isn’t in the manga to be fiar
@ViperineHero
12 сағат бұрын
@@laniswaray2220 true, i guess the problems started when toriyama left lol
@silasguishard6830
18 сағат бұрын
I was literally looking for days for someone to scale both of these and compare who would win and you literally did that. thank you
@godzillakingofthemonsters5812
Күн бұрын
Few things It's kinda weird to scale base RoF Goku above when Goku was raging out and shattering his limits against Beerus. That one punch took everything out of him and was really desperate. Maybe he got a big zenkai but if it covers the gap is hard to say Super would also have infinite speed since the BoG feat is covering all the realms including the Kaioshin one-outside the macrocosm. The Vegito upscaling is also much higher in GT. Baby's 2nd form has numerous statements of having the greatest Saiyan power in history, obviously including Z Vegito. Stack a SS3 like form, then oozaru, that's equal to SS4 Goku then stack training and amps and zenkais and limit breaks then he fuses with Vegeta.
@pokemonchampfloyd1926
Күн бұрын
Agreed. With the Vegito scaling alongside the Buu's and Uub, onecould argue Vegito was surpassed even before Super Baby 1 showed up. Depending on how you scale end of Z Goku and Uub.
@xeratovildan9871
23 сағат бұрын
An official guidebook directly compares ssj4's first appearance to buu Saga vegito, for every hyper wank you have we can antiscale to disprove it.
@pokemonchampfloyd1926
22 сағат бұрын
@xeratovildan9871 the problem with the guide book is that the page it's on is comparing Goku's forms throughout Z and Gt. It's not comparing the power between baby arc ss4 Goku nor Z Vegito. Even then the guide gives a very vague statement on who wins between Vegito and SS4. Context matters.
@godzillakingofthemonsters5812
21 сағат бұрын
@@xeratovildan9871 And DBS has shown base fusions far outclass Super Saiyan God, let alone a hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. Also source material> anyway. Buu was left in the dust early in GT's first arc, Vegito wasn't far behind.
@NeonSwordsManFangattack
19 сағат бұрын
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Fusions grow with the characters since their multipliers are based on their individual power. Fusion can easily start weaker than the peak of a character's power before eventually growing stronger w/o any transformation amps.
@MfwPrivate
19 сағат бұрын
If all the characters relative to gt goku could go at infinite miles per hour, it makes most the fights in Gt meaningless. I can't really believe that, Cabba solos.
@HugoxMaximus-uq7dl
22 сағат бұрын
The whole issue of base Goku with the power of SSJGod seems silly to me at this point. Clearly that was discarded since the Champa saga when Toei and Toriyama realized that if Goku did not transform back into the SSJ and SSJGod versions they would lose money on figures and toys. If Super Base Goku/Vegeta really was equal to or stronger than SSJGod, how could SSJ Vegeta not be able to lift Magetta who weighs 20 Tons? Not only that, Future Trunks fought an SSJ2 Goku. That also puts him at the level of a God when a year ago he barely managed to defeat Dabura?😂
@iexist3715
20 сағат бұрын
Just means Trunks got stronger. Also basing this off the Dragon Ball Timeline on the wiki but Trunks vs Dabura apparently happens a few years before he goes back to the past, not one. It's still stupid obviously but he has to that strong even if you think it's ass writing (I do think so). As for Vegeta not being able to lift Magetta, it is very strange. Dragon ball has always had some strange lifting strength antifeats, like GT Goku being shown struggling to lift up a building and going SSJ4 to do it, or Pan struggling to carry just a few people or even Goku thinking he needs to go super saiyan to lift 40 tons total in the buu saga. It's very silly considering Roshi literally blows up the moon in the 2nd arc of the series but what can we do. SSJ Vegeta not being able to lift a 1,000 ton Magetta is also manga only (in which Goku isn't shown absorbing god unlike the anime) so it wouldn't necessarily apply to the anime scaling regardless.
@pokemonchampfloyd1926
Күн бұрын
Man people are doing GT vs Super in Sparking Zero. All i want to do is give Uub a story again. (Bro hasn't had one since Budokai 3 on the ps2)
@RetroMagnus761
17 сағат бұрын
You misinterpreted Omega Shenron being able to "destroy the universe". Omega Shenron's dark energy was only going to "corrode" the universe with its special properties which would have eventually destroyed it if kept unchecked but it's not a raw feat and doesn't prove anything when it comes to his physical power. If that was the case then SSJ4 Gogeta who was MASSIVELY stronger than Omega would have done the exact same thing but to a much larger scale, but he couldn't. Negative energy is just a naturally corrosive type of Ki which is why it destroys everything around it, that's also why the Negative Karma Ball threatened to destroy the mortal realm, because it's powered by negative energy. Omega himself does not actually scale to the negative energy that he exerts from his body and Ki and cannot actually destroy the entire macrocosm near instantaneously like Goku in BOG almost did
@just_an_internet_explorer8038
16 сағат бұрын
@@RetroMagnus761 Goku destroying that Sugoroku Space dimension by using a kamehameha, and threatening to destroy he|| by powering up all while in base is impressive though
@RetroMagnus761
15 сағат бұрын
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 The Suguroku Space and the realm that holds it are specifically stated to transcend the platonic concepts of space and time so even at a lowball the realm should be outerversal. The problem is GT Goku never actually scales to the dimension itself. It was already collapsing prior to him supposedly "destroying" it and even that isn't concrete since it was never actually shown that Goku destroyed the Suguroku Space, only that he was able to escape from it.
@head_snapss7587
17 сағат бұрын
This whole argument revolves around the fact that base Goku RoF and BoG Goku absorbing god form is permanent. Personally, I don't like how it's assumed Base RoF kept the god form multiplyer but rather like a slowly leaking tank, his base power slowly returned to normal. Still absurdly strong though.
@ontheinside
23 сағат бұрын
What the actual fuck, I'm actually shocked to see a decent gt scale I thought I was going have to be the first, I'm genuinely surprised man congratulations it's one of the only honest ones on KZitem you even got the continuity difference right , it's been 11 years and people still haven't been even this correct
@reeces3943
Күн бұрын
I dont know how this became a debate ssj4 Gogeta has borderline toon force shown when he was charging a Kamehameha but trolled Omega by turning it into confetti. You can say it was for a gag but it still actually happened and just means hes somewhat of a gag character.
@walterwhite4398
Күн бұрын
@@reeces3943 no wonder why he's broken AF in every games he's in
@AllMight6
23 сағат бұрын
Apparently just having a single joke moment makes you a gag character Is buu one too then
@walterwhite4398
23 сағат бұрын
@@AllMight6 idk I guess any character who makes quip are gag character
@xeratovildan9871
23 сағат бұрын
@@AllMight6GT stans try not to be unintelligent challenge level impossible
@humanman9920
22 сағат бұрын
@@AllMight6 Buu is capable of magic , Ssj4 Gogeta isn't supposed to be .
@betia4915
Күн бұрын
There are some sources that put the ssj4 at the same level of super vegetto, so in base alone it would be like if 2 super vegetto made the fusion dance, then add the ssj4 multiplier. I would argue that gogetta ssj4 is around ssj rose level, at most blue vegeta in tournament of power.
@deedeedee5866
Күн бұрын
You said that ssj4 is equal to super vegetto. Which would just be two super vegetto fused together, not exactly that and plus the ssj4 multiplier. Cause two ssj4 makes one ssj4 gogeta.
@betia4915
Күн бұрын
@@deedeedee5866 i said that in base it would be like that
@cyborg5088
22 сағат бұрын
@@betia4915Brodie it’s been debunked already multiple times that the vegito=to ssj4 goku is false.. literally look up any video on the topic and everyone will say its false
@theboostedbubba6432
18 сағат бұрын
The only source is a guide that states that SSJ Vegito might be stronger than a SSJ4. Super vague and can imply many different things. It could mean Goku (which this guide was put out around the time the baby saga was ending) or it could mean the fusion is stronger than the power boost afforded by SSJ4. Which even if it means hes relative to SSJ4 Goku, thats before the extra power up he gets to beat baby. He gets even stronger by the time the shadow dragons arc. Then during the shadow dragon arc, SSJ4 Goku ascends even further, going from unable to scratch Syn Shenron with a 10x kamehameha, to being able to beat the crap outta him. SSJ4 Goku scales well beyond SSJ Vegito by the end of GT. Then add fusion on top of it, safe to say that Gogeta is even beyond what you initially believed.
@hassandiamond2356
20 сағат бұрын
Xeno SS4 Vegito:Well Well You Beat That Weak Ass Why Don't You Face Me As SS2 Or Something
@franz638
4 сағат бұрын
@@hassandiamond2356 (proceeds to put him in that Yamcha pose)
@gatekeeper1591
Күн бұрын
when I think of a saiyan I think of a barbaric, muscular, ruthless, scar faced mfs like bardock or broly. So the fact that a skinny scrawny crying kid actually beats some of these guys actually makes me wanna crashout
@austinmj64
14 сағат бұрын
I honestly don't argue about power levels since the anime's scaling is hyper inconsistent across super and gt and you could make arguments either way outside the top tiers of super aka Toppo, kefla, and everything above them. This stands in the manga as well for it being less erratic and consistent.
@austinmj64
14 сағат бұрын
All that to say if going by anime canon ssj4 is highly comparable to ssg with ssj4 gogeta being a weaker alternative to ssj blue vegito. Ssj4 goku or vegeta wipe any of the Universe 6 characters sub Kale, Hit, and Kefla without fusing.
@PeanutButterGehlee
20 сағат бұрын
The end of Z Oob was stated to be as strong or much more stronger than Boo already, and Goku was fighting Oob at his base form pretty equally if not having the advantage, he trained Oob to be as strong as possible, maybe trying to make him as strong as his strongest from with basically multiplies Boo's power by x300, and he was contesting that power at the start of GT in his base power still, the funny part is, Ssj4 is basically an upgrade for MUI but at the same time downgrade, although the multiplier was only calculated to be 400kx, It already makes up for it because how strong Goku has become on that absurd story plot line, Ssj4 basically has Ultra instinct with an amp for attacks that already hit him, no attack that hits him works twice on a battle, the absurdity of powerscalling on GT doesn't even compare to Super, Pan could literally one shot Ssj blue Goku and Vegeta, that's literally how op characters in GT, not stronger than Heroes ofcourse (we don't talk about that).
@--InsertNameHere--
11 сағат бұрын
If anyone ACTUALLY thinks that Cabba stands a chance against Gogeta, then they need some serious help. There's no thinking required. Super Saiyan Gogeta is stronger than BOTH Goku and Vegeta BLUE COMBINED according to the Broly movie. Goku and Vegeta's galick kamehameha at what I assume was full power was pushed aside by super saiyan Broly. Super Saiyan Gogeta was able to counter Broly's blast with just a kamehameha more than likely not at full power, and it's been an hour since goku/vegeta fought him, so Broly was much stronger at that point. This tells us that a super saiyan fusion is MUCH stronger than the combined full power of Goku and Vegeta Blue. Since Cabba doesn't even stand a snowballs chance in hell against 1 super saiyan blue, it's pretty obvious that a super saiyan 4 Gogeta, which is 3 stages above the already very powerful super saiyan Gogeta, would be able to kick the shit out of cabbage patch kid. He would not even need to be 4 and would still wipe the floor with him. I also think that super saiyan Vegito from Buu saga can easily beat at least base cabba, since I've already mentioned that a super saiyan fusion is stronger than the blues combined. Granted, Vegito's strength would only be stronger than a Buu Saga Goku/Vegeta Blue, but still, that strength should be more than enough to beat at least base cabba. Now him being super saiyan against Buu saga Vegito is an actual debate that requires thinking, not this nonsense about super saiyan 4 Gogeta. Hmm, I wonder, who could possibly win this fight? Krillin, or Goku? Gee, I don't know. It's difficult to figure this out. Like, seriously guys, you see how nonsensical this shit is? These so called "debates" require no effort to figure out who wins. Again, if you ACTUALLY believe that Cabba can stand a chance against Gogeta, then please get help.
@NinjaXFiles
11 сағат бұрын
They are hating and placing this lie in front of their hate to make it seem as if they are right which is cringe beyond belief. No, Kyabe wouldn't lay a single finger on years and years of experience from Goku and Vegeta stuck in a damn fusion. They are hating and trolling.
@AhmedHussain-ju6xd
Күн бұрын
Even if we take Buu, have him absorb every single dbz character. They'd still get curbstomped by cabba
@Bower-j6l
Күн бұрын
The only shot I have to win is an time freeze into body change that’s it fights over
@AveragePsychologist
17 сағат бұрын
To be honest, I think that, if we placed SSJ4 Gogeta in the Tournament of Power, he would be able to defeat almost everyone there, with the exceptions of Goku, Jiren, Vegeta, Toppo, Kefla and perhaps Hit. Remember that some scans placed SSJ4 GT Goku > SSJ Buu Saga Vegetto, so while that means SSJ4 Gogeta will never win the Tournament of Power, he would at least be Top 10 tier. Plus, with the Big Bang Kamehameha x 100, he could take down one of the six characters I mentioned earlier (at the cost of ending the fusion).
@Dusk9495
Күн бұрын
Me, waiting for a two part video where GT Goku and Super Goku each run gauntlets in the other's series, using each just shortly after they achieved their first new form (SSJ4 and SSJG) Would either make it all the way through? Could you see any type of catalist that leads to either reaching a new level?
@GogetaSSJ4eva
17 сағат бұрын
Gogeta ssj4 wins no diff. He also has his certificate to clown around license
@BlusterTheBenevolent
16 сағат бұрын
I want to comment on how the Z movies connect to GT. Takao Koyama, the writer of the original 13 DBZ movies, had stated that he’s not involved with the production of GT. As such, seeing Cooler’s cameo in the Super 17 arc shouldn’t mean anything, nor does the Dragon Fist reappearing in that same arc connect GT and the movies. This isn’t super related to the video at all, but it’s a really common misconception that, while fun to headcanon, holds little water in the face of what Koyama has said.
@zoltikw
15 сағат бұрын
I agree with this
@Web720
11 сағат бұрын
That doesn't mean GT does not take into account the movies just because he is not part of it. It's a Toei product it does need permission to take existing characters into a new series.
@ashuraomega1000
7 сағат бұрын
Yeah, GT is not canon to the movies
@dinotrainere7507
19 сағат бұрын
“Kakarot, this is bad. We need to fuse now!” “Hey now, it can’t be that bad. Its base Cabba we are going up against” “Kakarot, do you know DBS scaling?” “… Vegeta lets fuse”
@Colecionador7162
22 сағат бұрын
Who cares I'm gonna use goget4 to kick people's ass in sparking zero anyway
@user-kc5pc1iq7k
41 минут бұрын
Based on
@windows98alpha35
22 сағат бұрын
People hate and hate GT fans so much they choose a character they know is one of the weakest character in their preferred continuity and pit him up against GT's poster boy to further shit on GT and its fans. It's absolutely the most pathetic and miserable match up I've ever seen. SS4 Gogeta blinks and Cabba dies 125 times over. It's not even comparable. IDGAF how nonsensical Super's scaling is. Super can scale these nuts as far as I care.
@poofyhair3696
Күн бұрын
I hear that Toontown music, I got you people. Lawbot HQ Courtyard
@comandopando
8 сағат бұрын
Was going to comment the same thing, very fire use
@Brep310
16 сағат бұрын
It’s kinda scary how close that was getting until you pulled out infinite speed Gogeta
@SuperKamiGuruu
18 сағат бұрын
Whole bunch of GT copium. Cabba stomps
@donut2123
18 сағат бұрын
Gogeta has higher scaling wdym?
@SuperKamiGuruu
18 сағат бұрын
@@donut2123 He doesn't
@donut2123
17 сағат бұрын
@@SuperKamiGuruu can you debunk the scale that the video mentioned?
@SuperKamiGuruu
17 сағат бұрын
@@donut2123 Scaling however many times over pikkon and goku feat doesn't get them passed the BoG clash crossing multiple infinite realms instantly
@donut2123
16 сағат бұрын
@@SuperKamiGuruu the Shenron statement gets to BoG
@Pmu_Sh0wd0wn
19 сағат бұрын
For people that don't realise how high Toei scaling is, Goku after potara scales at least as high, if not higher than Vegito because of the statements about Kid Buu being the strongest form of all Buus. And Toei Z has been Low Multiversal for all characters scaling equal or higher than base Super Buu.
@onyx6774
23 сағат бұрын
I dont really understand this, wdym? Super does not Follow Z? and why cant i use Z to scale Super since Kai is something made for the 20th Anniversary of DB and all Kai does is cut the Fillers and Akira stated himself that Fillers are canon. SO this part was just weird. Even if we decided to follow your logic, Cabba is at least 5D, since he is stronger than SSG Goku that is able to destroy the entire macrocosm. which was stated in a guide to Transcend the living universe. ``a dimensionally transcendental heavenly country``. so i would say Cabba wins
@JackoJaxko
20 сағат бұрын
Super takes place in the 10 year timeskip between defeat of kid buu and the end of Z, GT takes places 5 YEARS after
@JackoJaxko
20 сағат бұрын
Which makes no fucking sense since in the end of Z saga there waa no mention of anything that happened in super or anything related to super
@onyx6774
20 сағат бұрын
@@JackoJaxko That doesnt really prove anything. Super is connected to Z, there is nothing that disproves this or maybe there is, because apparently You cant scale super using Z but i guess using Kai that is fine.
@JackoJaxko
20 сағат бұрын
@@onyx6774 then tell me how would super fit in with end of z if pan is 3 years old in the original yet in superhero pan IS 3 yet superhero takes place 1 year before end of Z, Super has to be a different continuity from the original otherwise it makes no fucking sense
@onyx6774
19 сағат бұрын
@@JackoJaxkoAt the end of Z she is 4 btw. Also she is older, but GT treats Bra as older. My problem is that apparently its Okay to scale Gt using DBZ but not Super. Super takes place between the gap of Majin Buu and end of Z. this was explained a lot of times and confirmed to be the case. It doesnt matter if you like it or not. Akira said this to be the case and even toei themselfs, their words matter more than yours. GT wasnt planned. DBZ ends with Z because akira wanted that to be the end of the series. so using this Logic Gt shouldnt scale with DBZ either.
@drip_sauce7967
20 сағат бұрын
This was extremely dishonest,”gogeta has infinite speed cus goku and pikkon crossed hell” what about bog goku and beerus ki that was going to instantly destroy all of the macrocosm ? And them scaling to their attacks speed being able to react to it ? Ur just dishonest doing this for views
@Where_da_cheese_at
18 сағат бұрын
That feat is literally only because Godku was clashing with an opponent equal/stronger than him, What opponent in GT was equal to or stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta for him to clash against?
@DoubleDesire
6 сағат бұрын
@@Where_da_cheese_atthis doesn’t disprove what he said, so what’s the point?
@oceanicblaze-o_b-9752
22 сағат бұрын
Just wait till Saiyan Scholar hops on the banwagon 🗿
@jg5004
22 сағат бұрын
Most of Super solos GT but a lot of GT fans can’t accept it and I’m not being biased just honest.
@emmarod8746
22 сағат бұрын
End of GT Goku solos most of Super.
@JA070288
15 сағат бұрын
I've been watching DragonBall for over 20 years and because of this video I finally understand why people make fun of power scalers.
@primesonic4459
22 сағат бұрын
My bets on the Ring Laser 🔦 from the Resurrection F movie 😂 Just stak like 300 of them
@jeremymorris345
25 минут бұрын
9:35 I just wanted to address this because this has always annoyed me. Battle of Gods Movie being GT canon causes so many problems. For starters, we have statements that put SSJ God above everything scene prior in the franchise, which includes GT, so that alone contradicts this movie being canon. Secondly, Goku says Rildo is his strongest opponents since Buu. This makes zero sense as Goku needed power beyond that of Fusion to even be able to fight Beerus, then he absorbs that into base and goes Super Sayian. We already know Buu is weaker then Base Vegito alone. So for this statement to be even remotely accurate, Buu would have had to have gotten stronger then Beerus and fought Goku after. There are also statements made after the end of GT, that put SSJ4 Goku also on par with Base Buu Sage Vegito, which alone is confusing for GT alone, but adding Battle of Gods to that is even more confusing as SSJ God Goku surpassed Vegito and became his base which SSJ4 would be on top off.
@MadderEmo
21 сағат бұрын
LMAOOOO bro stop the cap Cabba one shots and has far better scaling as God Goku was threatening to destroy the macrocosm as a raw ssj. Not collapsing it like Buuhan and Vegito no like literally obliterating it without even being nowhere as strong as he was in rof. The attacks traveled across an infinite sized macrocosm instantly. Cabba has a case for infinite speed especially if you want to argue the universe 6 saiyans scale to universe 7 in the base forms and ssj which you can make the argument for yeah cabba stomps
@hafid1778
22 сағат бұрын
"I DIDNT CARE ANYMORE, but something, something tingeled in my back"- super salad cabbage.
@KiraiKatsuji
23 сағат бұрын
Finally someone who doesn't just ignore Gt's insane Power Feats and say Super Character is just stronger.
@humanman9920
22 сағат бұрын
Well the primary stuff is still ignored cuz nobody really properly sits through the whole thing taking note of stuff to be fair to it , but this one doesn't seem to be in bad faith so it's aight . The primary insane feats of GT are sugoroku space destruction and Baby's RDB reaching subspace the very first time he used it .
@KiraiKatsuji
22 сағат бұрын
@@humanman9920 Yes but aditionally Goku flaring his aura in Super 17 arc in Base and shaking entire otherworld, or Omega's mere existance causing universe to slowly get destroyed.
@cidlunius1076
12 сағат бұрын
9:43 That can of worms has been officially sealed though, GT is an AU.
@connellychase573
Күн бұрын
Thank you salad peak video really showed off the strength of both also should shut up those base cabba beats ssj4 gogeta yes cabba is amazing but hes not goku or vegeta hes gogeta
@Idcsaiyan
23 сағат бұрын
who you got winning z gogeta or base cabba ??😂
@xeratovildan9871
23 сағат бұрын
@Idcsaiyan base cabba, since we can scale him to have the same speed as if goku and pikkon flying through the realms is counted as infinite speed, BoG God Goku's attacks reaching the realms with mere shockwaves should be counted as the same. And those were mere fist clashes, not beam clashes. To say you can't achieve something your attack is already doing is just disingenous. So, base cabba and movie gogeta would have the same stats, but gogeta is a little more skilled, and also has a 30 minute time limit. Considering Cabba is considered a high ranking member of his planet's military, and had enough renown to get the attention of Champa and Vados, to say he won't last 30 minutes is disingenous.
@SosukeTYBW
22 сағат бұрын
@xeratovildan9871 little? You mean a lot more skilled he literally has all the skill of both goku and vegeta, 2 seasoned warriors far more seasoned than cabba
@nekuyamoshia2207
14 сағат бұрын
Am I the only one that thinks that the goku black arc should've happened after the t.o.p arc
@AnimeWeebo45
16 сағат бұрын
9:12 that description felt a bit more personal than it should have been
@Vintagesonic1
18 сағат бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this all started because of a throw away line Vegeta said and a beam clash? Sorry, but if that's true, I don't believe for a second Cabba could solo DBZ let alone SS4 Gogeta. There is such little evidence that Cabba possesses such power, making this theory questionable at best.
@Amardarial
17 сағат бұрын
I don't agree with much of what is in this video, but Vegeta in Res-F one shot someone who was outright stated to be as strong as Mystic Gohan was in Buu Saga, and he did this in base, so at min Cabba > All of Z, as for GT SSjB > SSj4 Full Power, and this was Res-F SSjB, so U6/TOP era SSjB is going to be MUCH stronger, meaning SSj Cabba is likely greater then Gogeta SSj4, and SSj2 Cabba is probably overkill. (In this SSj Cabba would be stronger then Res-F Blue, and SSj2 Cabba is prob just a bit weaker then TOP Blue). End of TOP Goku/Vegeta would solo all of GT without much if any hassle just using SSjB, they wouldn't even need UI/UE.
@studypurpose4486
5 сағат бұрын
"toei just makes everyone rlly strong" well said brother
@ΚωνσταντίνοςΙωαννίδης-ε4β
17 сағат бұрын
Vegeta was holding back against Cabba lil bro. I could only watch till 2:26. You can miss me with this bs.
@inferr.moscity
17 сағат бұрын
Exactly
@parkerjunior1
15 сағат бұрын
@@ΚωνσταντίνοςΙωαννίδης-ε4β We know he didn't go ssj
@ΚωνσταντίνοςΙωαννίδης-ε4β
14 сағат бұрын
@@parkerjunior1 he went SSJ for show. Did we watch the same show?
@onizukasensei5321
7 сағат бұрын
Keep crying kid
@jimjensen3053
7 сағат бұрын
@onizukasensei5321 Is that what your mother told you when you told her you're mentally ill?
@JoJolion1
14 сағат бұрын
Kinda disingenuous to place Cabba’s speed and thus BoG Goku’s speed at thousands cotillion ftl despite it spreading across the infinite universe and reaching outside of it in seconds, he should be the same speed as SS4 Gogeta or even faster since the shockwaves traveled the entire realm and beyond, not just from Grand Kai’s planet to hell.
@B0NES48
23 сағат бұрын
Thanks for adding some common sense to this conversation
@heavycrimson662
13 сағат бұрын
The meme has been so overused that it honestly hurts my entire existence; this is how you know super destroyed the scaling…
@Ballincat44-1
18 сағат бұрын
What evidence is there to suggest super takes place after Kai and not Z???
@Yesbutactuallyno123
17 сағат бұрын
i mean there doesnt seem to be any proof that the filler from z exists in super
@Ballincat44-1
17 сағат бұрын
@@Yesbutactuallyno123 and there’s no proof it exists in GT either
@captaincookie5325
13 сағат бұрын
@@Ballincat44-1 ...gt came out before kai even existed... so if gt is going specifically off the ANIME version of Z and not the manga, cause there are differences in the manga, then logically speaking they should be canon to GT unless The z filler is stated to not be canon to the anime either, which idek where i would search for that to find out
@cnobu8160
17 сағат бұрын
GT fans when Cabba casually walks through a full power Big Bang Kamehameha like Z Broly did:
@FireofthetigerYT
23 сағат бұрын
Since Gogeta detransforms after 15 minutes in GT due to power exhaustion, I really think Cabba can deal with SSJ4 Vegeta and Goku. Consider the facts that Super Vegeta should be MILES ahead of the former, given he’s been actively training for years with a goal in mind (rival and/or surpass Beerus) with God Ki and Goku as a partner, who was stated to be better for Vegeta for growth rather than Whis, while GT Goku and Vegeta hadn’t really been doing any proper training up into the Shadow Dragon saga. Goku had just been mentoring Uub, and Vegeta was being a midlife crisis father. Even if we take Goku’s training with Uub into consideration and suppose that his shenanigans throughout GT could be considered as growth on his end, I really don’t see that chalking up to Super Vegeta training nonstop up into the U6 tournament both in his gravity chamber, Beerus’ planet with Whis, and then ACTUALLY WITH GOKU in the HPC and the aforementioned. Tl;dr Cabba can beat up SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta
@humanman9920
22 сағат бұрын
Base GT Goku destroys Sugoroku space in baby arc , which is established an infinite simply between space and time as well as life and death . The feat has been a dead end for dbs so far . So no Cabba alongwith the rest of dbs is not reaching Ssj4's first introduction , which is followed up by tanking RDB of Super baby 2 if not a bigger one than its very first showing where it caught and warped Goku in subspace which is stated to have no concept of space and time , through sheer power after being used in the living world which is the bottom of dbs universe sphere.
@Daan-Dovah
21 сағат бұрын
@@humanman9920 exactly, Base Gt goku is already stronger than T.O.P Mui goku with shigoku space feat alone
@NeoZero369
20 сағат бұрын
@@FireofthetigerYT power scaling in Dragonball has reach near infinite brain fog levels
@MrAkira-1t7
20 сағат бұрын
The fact that ppl say cabba beats gt is so funny considering ssj4 goku first appearance is washing all of super including manga beerus, manga ssjb vegito, and ssjb gogeta. (This excludes the angels and zeno)
@Daan-Dovah
19 сағат бұрын
@@MrAkira-1t7 ikr, base Gt goku solos the main roster for super, imagine what Gogeta could do
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