I'm sorry Lexi, but you'll never sell me those bone dragons.
@aleksandar5323
3 жыл бұрын
Can you still turn dragons and hydras into Bone Dragons in the Skeleton Transformer in HOTA?
@lightbrain4789
3 жыл бұрын
@@aleksandar5323 yes
@martinlevi3769
3 жыл бұрын
@@aleksandar5323 yeah, also the cove's 7 tier - sea serpents and the upgrade turn into bone dragons
@gregmasch1343
3 жыл бұрын
lmao
@maxfeist9105
4 ай бұрын
True true, but having 5 ghost dragons, a huge number of skeletons and vampire lords makes for a terrifying army in the early endgame
@Maniekozord
3 жыл бұрын
Me: _sees that archangel isn't in the list_ Also me: *Alright, i know what's gonna happen*
@eroalduin7305
3 жыл бұрын
same lol
@NeVed1mKa
Жыл бұрын
I rly like them. With good stacks of magogs u can easy break to the centre. Demons, pít lords and fireshitArmageddon guys are rly strong
@FrozenZerg
8 ай бұрын
I guess it too lol
@Dan-uf2vh
8 ай бұрын
First round: Phoenixes give first spell cast. Implosion takes out the stack of Archangels. gee gee.
@Zenobia992
3 жыл бұрын
Faction list if you add best units from each faction tier 1 to tier 7. D=1 point C=2 points B=3 points A=4 points S=5 points THE HEAVEAN=6 points Tower 30 Inferno 29 Castle 26 Rampart 25 Stronghold 25 Necropolis 24 Dungeon 24 Fortress 24 Cove 23 Conflux 22
@kaczuszka-dt
3 жыл бұрын
i love you for that.
@uctoannguyen7614
3 жыл бұрын
Wow I always thought Inferno was weak
@hitofuuki
3 жыл бұрын
HotA buffed Inferno in few ways, most notable being introducing negative luck to the game (indirect huge buff to the devils, who have -1/-2 to enemy luck). That alone is a huge help to the town that has the lowest total hp pool in entire game. EDIT: that doesn't change the fact that inferno does suck. Lvl1 is only better to peasants, lvl2 upg has no stat increase except for speed and fireball, lvl4 is average, whole reason for lvl5 existance is to make more lvl4 from lvl1 and we have only cerbers, efreets and archdevils - all of them strong, fast and dangerous. Also, whole army is squishy - even of you ignore first 2 tiers it's somewhere around 20/40/60/80/200 (might be wrong about cerbers and archdevils, but not by a far margin). I love inferno the most, but it belongs way lower.
@kriptexxx
3 жыл бұрын
I love this and appreciate it, but it is definitely not relevant. Since you rarely have more than 4 out of the 7 in your army it would make more sense to sum up the 4 best ones. But even then, if a town happen to have strong lower tier units, that is also not relevant, since your army needs higher tier ones (and vice versa). Not to mention that it is hard to factor in upgraded versions, because you definitely don't have both in your army. I appreciate the effort, but the tier list is already very subjective and to make it to a complete table is fun but basically useless. The closest thing to measuring the value of creatures is the AI value. Still, I gave a thumbs up for the effort. I also like to structure and organize things :)
@su0tin731
3 жыл бұрын
And this doesn't look anything like the tier list for factions. So conflux has the worst units but's still the best overall.
@AgentForest
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see the Ancient Behemoth get some love. My friends always teased me for liking those guys, but I love them.
@retributionn5100
Жыл бұрын
They are tier 7 unit killers.Trait that gives them to ignore units armor on attack is one of the best things unit can have.Huge hp pool and the fact they are insanely strong with buffs like lust/haste/prayer makes them killing machines.They are like gorgons with Death Stare designed to kill tier 7.Only weakness is they are slow and no flyers but thats to ballance them out otherwise they would prob be more broken then Archangels
@joekost1038
Жыл бұрын
@@retributionn5100 Ghost Behemoths in WoG go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
@DOGEreal
Жыл бұрын
@@retributionn5100 What do you mean??? They make a one stack out of anything without buffs except Nix Warriors. very good with Ogrefist. Extremely good build path.
@baumanmarketinggaming
Жыл бұрын
Well, Ancient Behemoths can not fly or shoot & they are pretty slow for tier 7 creature, but their attacking ferocity makes up for most of it. If they would be fast as an average dragon, they could probably match Archangels.
@Istrino
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree! They are great monster killers. Awesome for taking down strong troops with plenty of defense.
@ilierazvan5546
3 жыл бұрын
yeap, loved the introduction of archangels, and loved all the tier list vidoes...great job!!
@SuperCaelum
3 жыл бұрын
25:31 I never say that but that's actually such a Il vento d'oro moment.
@Webiz369
3 жыл бұрын
I hate that all your arguements about the Gold Dragons are true, I love them so much! (biased Rampart player here). I guess their biggest upside is their speed advantage possibly enabling your grand elves. But a great list Lexiav, really been looking forward to this one... and the rest that are coming.
@mrki-hb5ff
3 жыл бұрын
I feel same about the Rampart and the 5th lvl booster spells effect on Gold Dragon ,what means this ( chinese looking dragon ) is a real good/teamplayer Dragon.
@Jebu911
2 жыл бұрын
archangels also just looks damn nice. designers gave em a really nice design.
@anitoancognita7060
Жыл бұрын
gigachads with wings and sword very cool love it
@inaliann
Жыл бұрын
he have wings growing out of his ass
@expandeux
3 жыл бұрын
Rust dragons have 1 more ability which also deals damage based on the number of units. All neutral tier 7 creatures are better than any of the other, but they are so expensive and so rare that they play no role. If you were able to stack them reliable on a map, then they would be a super effective powerstack, but they are a meme.
@ryuuguud8891
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/tayLzGZ_q5eCZXY The meme comes true one year later
@dustinherk8124
Жыл бұрын
azure, crytsal, rust fairie dragon etc are not counted as level 7 creatures. they exceed that threshold, and are technically level 8 creatures. especially Azure dragons
@toramaru2490
8 ай бұрын
i dont think azure a meme tho, sure you cant stack them since they spawn like one a month? but that fear effect is insane, i would say pretty worth sacrificing one stack.
@phamnhat2925
Ай бұрын
It's probably not necessary to give them to your main hero but you can give them to a 2nd/3rd hero to clear guards and creature banks on the side.
@andreimiga8101
3 жыл бұрын
Azure, crystal and rust dragons are tier 10. Faerie are tier 8. From the SoD game manual :)
@marcinrobakiewicz8040
3 жыл бұрын
This is HOTA Multiplayer tier list :)
@andreimiga8101
3 жыл бұрын
@@marcinrobakiewicz8040 And? Did you never encounter these dragons in MP matches? Or maybe you only play JC...
@CzlowiekKtor6NieMowi
3 жыл бұрын
@@andreimiga8101 Considering this is HOTA tier list and not to mention different mechanics/gameplay, the SoD manual is now invalid in this case.
@Hardcore_Remixer
3 жыл бұрын
... why would some units be reclassified just because the change of version? No need for a manual when there exists WoG :)))))) By the way Azures have 500 health in Hero of Light mod which makes them at least look like tier 8 units.
@Markki28
3 жыл бұрын
Archangel still the best...
@Yuri_Yslin
3 жыл бұрын
As with other Hax units, my favorite idea is to keep a few stacks of small amounts (1-2) of ghost dragons to attempt to agehax the powerstack of the opponent. Unless they get AOE'd they usually pull it off in the first round, and it really pays off because if the opponent used his spellcast already he will be mauled by an immediate implosion.
@semplar2007
8 ай бұрын
what's AOE ?
@rasmusforlorn7767
7 ай бұрын
@@semplar2007 Area of Effect, you hit more than one space with one cast. Meteor Shower for example has this.
@semplar2007
7 ай бұрын
@@rasmusforlorn7767 ty very much! 💜
@phamnhat2925
Ай бұрын
lmao agehax
@jagoob
3 жыл бұрын
Lexi (an actual good pvp pplayer): hydras aren't meant for battle Tazar (my level 30 beast master on with expert water teleport bless in a vs ai game that should have been over months ago if I wasn't screwing around): I disagree
@kubakowalik6598
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but Tazar is the strongest hero in the game, with level 30 and expert water magic he can make any powerstack good
@PedroHawk1
3 жыл бұрын
@@kubakowalik6598 Honest question: what makes him so much better than other armorer/offense specialists?
@kubakowalik6598
3 жыл бұрын
@@PedroHawk1 There are only 2 other armor specialists in the game, and Tazar has best class for it, as beastmaster he has highest defence of all classes. Neela isn't even a might hero, and she has scholar which is bad for main. Mephala is very good, just worse than Tazar. I would say Tazar is a bit better than Crag Hack (who is second best of non-campaign heroes), because armorer protects both from melee and ranged, while offence only affects melee, and because armorer makes it even easier to not loose units, and has nice synergy with resurrect/heal and archangels.
@sanchellewellyn1681
11 ай бұрын
@@kubakowalik6598 Mephala is by far the cutest of the three, however. :)
@hippopolove
5 ай бұрын
@@kubakowalik6598 And beastmaster is the best class for the secondary skills ^^
@nono4805
3 жыл бұрын
Archangels are very fast, you get to go first in almost all cases. Any unit that cannot be built in a town, should be in a separate list. You may never see them in the game.
@danielkirpichnikov2007
3 жыл бұрын
Crystal dragons have the ability to generate crystals, so they slowly pay for themselves and in a gigantic single maps they may become a viable unit
@Cyrantel
9 ай бұрын
Only one of them counts for crystal accumulation, the ability doesn't stack. Therefor it would be best to hire just one of them. If any at all. Because you get only 3 crystals a week, making this investment worth less than half a crystal mine. And if you want to mass them as a viable battle stack even in large maps, you get the problem to spend too much gold on them (that you will want and need for other troops). Apart from the fact that they accumulate painfully slow (one per week). So you might prefer another unit that grows in abundance and that doesn't hurt your morale for your main battle hero, too. But one of them is quite nice on a secondary supply chain hero.
@silvercloud6370
9 ай бұрын
20к + 10 crystals honestly not worth it even for that
@likenot3073
3 жыл бұрын
All seems good but even all mighty archangel is powerless against the power of mighty gorgons death stare
@martinngalindo
3 жыл бұрын
Yep a lot of M. gorgons are extremely annoying, a good farm of M Gorgons can be dangerous as A. Behemoth to destroy other tier 7 units
@japanesefacist2460
3 жыл бұрын
cast slow on them then Titans shoot them in distance
@martinngalindo
3 жыл бұрын
@@japanesefacist2460 Yep it can be an option, u can also do that to angels
@japanesefacist2460
3 жыл бұрын
@@martinngalindo if gorgons are slow then they will have like 3 speeds very hard to reach a target
@martinngalindo
3 жыл бұрын
@@japanesefacist2460 Yea but enemy can cast dispel or teleport but yea, fortress is good for defense not as good for open grounds.
@tomaszpawlik5091
3 жыл бұрын
"neutral" dragonsshould have Their own tier list, they are way to rare, costly and powerfull to be compared to t7 units
@Scrubwave
3 жыл бұрын
Seeing special dragons as tier 7 is weird.
@marcinrobakiewicz8040
3 жыл бұрын
@@Scrubwave Only 1 of special dragons is actually good tho, so yeah, most of "special" dragons are worse than basic T7 in actual game, and this is HOTA Multiplayer tier list
@kubakowalik6598
3 жыл бұрын
there is a type of Jebus map where you get neutral dragons from Pandora's Box. And still, 2-4 neutral dragons won't do much against a big powerstack of Ancient Behemoths, Archangels etc, they are rather for tanking + utility
@kaimat12
3 жыл бұрын
Never stop making tier lists.
@JoeZombie-nq7qj
Жыл бұрын
he hasn't made any in a while :(
@Jannikjr
3 жыл бұрын
..."these guys were not ment for battle..." -Lexiav (on the Hydra)
@ctiradctirada2775
3 жыл бұрын
you should pet them and be nice to them. Maybe feed them mice so their fur is shiny
@piotrtoborek2442
3 жыл бұрын
@@ctiradctirada2775 Scales not fur :P
@dyt87
3 жыл бұрын
25:07 LMAO at "light saber"! I didn't know angels were ... jedis XD
@retardinhojunior6546
3 жыл бұрын
Bruh, Might and Magic lore is on crack, we are talking about a battle cyborgs, not some celestial entities. Under any circumstances you should be surprised by their arsenal, they got blasters n shiet in the RPG.
@garrettducat5769
3 жыл бұрын
I like your list. Thematically I love the devils. They look so cool, so evil, so tricky. The whole idea is devils are supposed to be tricky and outsmart their opponents. But, they always fall flat for me. I really think the OG developers made archangels too fast and too strong and that really hindered the devils. IMO archdevils should have the 18 speed, and archangels should be like 13 or 14 speed. To go alongside the "tricky" theme I think it would be cool if devils did one of two things: cast magic mirror randomly before their turn (like the enchanters) or have the ability to cast clone. Of course, those spells school of magic don't fit too well with inferno, but thematically I think it makes sense. That being said: I love that HOTA added negative luck. The archdevil's minus 2 luck was such a non-utility in SOD, but is now pretty useful.
@Winnetou17
3 жыл бұрын
Speed-wise, I think it's actually ok (though I really, really hate firebirds and phoenixes... don't get why they are the fastest units in the game). For the arch-devils, they do have no enemy retaliation, which is quite powerful. And the fact that they're only one space, that's a bonus. However, their 200 HP is garbage tier, and for no reason I'd say, as they're very expensive. Also, being an upgrade for an expensive unit, I'd say that they should have better damage. 30-40 is really low. I guess the developers wanted to balance its no retaliation.
@Carpatouille
2 жыл бұрын
I think the combat stats for what they cost is a bigger problem than their speed. You can't make them too fast for no retaliation would allow you to wait, attack and return with no punishment. However, it costs a fuckton and you'd be better off with Sultans in most cases
@chuckwood3426
Жыл бұрын
@@Winnetou17 Yea, 30-40 damage equals 35 on average. The archangel does 50 on average and have higher stats in everything else as well. If you count the fact that you get twice as many Phoenixes as Arch devils from a weeks growth then they do 70 damage on average. And they can hit two units with the same attack so thats 140 damage. Or 4 times the damage output of an Arch Devil and twice the HP. Honestly I dont know how both of those units can share the same tier...?
@Winnetou17
Жыл бұрын
@@chuckwood3426 I know, right ? Good thing that they nerfed them in PotA, it was insulting in AB/SoD.
@NaughtyNina1240
2 жыл бұрын
Ghost dragons using their aging ability on ancient behemoth... Wouldn't be too impactful from lore perspective, since they are ancient lol
@arhael3594
Жыл бұрын
It would make them stronger!
@balintmiklosy9138
3 жыл бұрын
I like hydras a lot, I'm just a sucker fortress (beastmaster 80s theme hell yeah). I have no delusions of them being S tier or something, but they are very solid and easy to get.
@KoongYe
Жыл бұрын
As a Stronghold main, my soul is satisfied with this result.
@snorrelarsen7500
3 жыл бұрын
Loved the ending!!!
@ps3598
3 жыл бұрын
Liked before even watching the video till the end. Very cool channel with nice content Lexiav, cheers!
@feferson492
3 жыл бұрын
praise archangel brother PRAISE IT
@nataliep6385
3 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that Phoenix's are the fastest unit in the game which can make your hero run longer + it lets you start in every battle - which means you are the first one to cast a spell aswell. VERY STRONG UNIT
@LeafGreen906
Жыл бұрын
im late but units above speed 11 doesnt give you extra movement points, speed 15 or 21 gives you just as much as 11. but yes speed prio in battle is a big one
@BBoySewo
19 күн бұрын
Yeah Phoenix is definitely tier S unit and the whole spine of elementals army
@milosmml7777
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making these tier lists. They are fun to watch and it lets me know how to play heroes better!
@ErykMroczny
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Laxiav, hope the tier lists wont stop here! You've still got some left e.g. grails :P
@TrollDragomir
3 жыл бұрын
Hydras get somewhat useful with haste and expert teleport, but then you could just cast implosion instead
@Csarci
Жыл бұрын
same as the homm2 tactic
@jasio7674
3 жыл бұрын
i'd say upgraded sea serpents are actually a tier cuz of their high health and battle stats, upgraded sea serpent can beat any t7 unit 1v1
@leopanaite604
7 ай бұрын
Hi there! My ideea of making a top 10...20... most powerful creatures would be first the relation between the cost and what you get for those resources. For instance an AZURE DRAGON is 30 k gold and 20 mercury (I'm not sure, but lets suppose is correct). In this scenario, a fair comparison would be how many DEVILS could you buy with the same amount of resources, after you pay also for the dwell in your inferno town. Or, how many ... Giants, or Gold Dragons can you got for the equal amount of resources? In the end the question would be what is better to have : 1 AZURE or 5 ARCHDEVILS ?
@connybengtsson9304
3 жыл бұрын
Love your lists! And your opinion on design is awsome to hear too! I love the look of the bone dragons myself
@Carpatouille
2 жыл бұрын
I like the fact they are very cheap compared to other T7 while still being fast and being useful despite its weaker stats, feels like you get what you paid for
@off6848
Жыл бұрын
BDs are the edgiest coolest unit imo
@Truth_above_everything
3 жыл бұрын
Love these tier list videos.
@theshaman415
3 жыл бұрын
I've been looking forward to this
@ctiradctirada2775
3 жыл бұрын
what about list of faction specific buildings? (portal of summoning, castle gate...)
@powergaminggg8730
3 жыл бұрын
I mean that the Azure Dragon should be considered a tier of their own ... being Neutral and scarce, it's natural to be a bit stronger when it cannot be consistently found.
@garrettducat5769
3 жыл бұрын
Wake of Gods uses an 8th level for the rare dragons and some new creatures.
@powergaminggg8730
3 жыл бұрын
@@garrettducat5769 I'm aware, but Lexiav put them in tier 7 and announced that it will be the final Creature tier list.
@Pieckers
3 жыл бұрын
I will force Hydras into my armies any time I can simply because I think they look really really cool
@Vaginaattori
2 жыл бұрын
Give Ghost dragons -2 morale ability 😬. Increase their cost to justify it. 3500 and/or 2 mercury.
@cmlcml415
3 жыл бұрын
The worst part of Crystal Dragon... they can’t fly! (Easy to get blocked by enemy, and castle wall is a big problem for them too)
@laszlokiss4409
Жыл бұрын
Archangel origin story Programmers: What if we put gigachad into the game?
@Regretguyjilly631
3 жыл бұрын
Behemoths are actually good cuz you can get them at day 2 or 3 to most of the time
@Regretguyjilly631
3 жыл бұрын
Thats why i like em
@SillentHunter92
3 жыл бұрын
Only if u are playin at noobish difficulty...
@Regretguyjilly631
3 жыл бұрын
Ya im a BIG noob but you can get em on any easy mode
@richardsvejda9890
3 жыл бұрын
@@SillentHunter92 if you are lucky enough you can get them on impposible very early too (like turn 3-4 guessing)
@babasemka
3 жыл бұрын
112 FTW
@Avruko
3 жыл бұрын
Crystal dragons might be D tier but imo they have the sickest avatar of all units thats they were my fav since childhood. change my mind.
@likenot3073
3 жыл бұрын
They dont fly, they dont breath. Fake dragons
@kane_lives
Ай бұрын
What mind? You have as much of it as a Bone Dragon.
@Cecekcz
3 жыл бұрын
The neutral dragons should really be tiers 8/9/10 or something, it's not fair at all to the other tier 7s. :D
@orsdekany2594
3 жыл бұрын
I would say, because they cost SO much, they are tier 7, what would you want, 10 Bone Dragon, or 1 Fairy/Crystal/Rust? Because the cost is kinda the same, yes the accuring of these units is like 10/5 vs 1 week, BUT because its one week, you usually dont have the gold to warrent buying one, you can buy 5 heroes and a dwelling instead of an exocic dragon. In late game they are good, and can have their own tier, but Jubes maps are about tempo, they are over in less then 2 weeks or and takeing the their dwelling will bleed your army. So even for tier6 standards they are not that good
@kubakowalik6598
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but you get like 1-3 neutral dragons stacks, while having 30-50+ other tier 7 stacks, so those neutral dragons are only good for tanking and utility
@kane_lives
Ай бұрын
@@orsdekany2594 The cost is definitely NOT the same. 1 Fairy is 10K, 1 Crystal is 20K. 1 Rust is 15K, and it is the best among these because it can stack its breath, which benefits anyone who attacks their target, and not just your Rust dragon.
@TheDoomerBlox
3 жыл бұрын
You call the Titans gymlords, yet the Archangel is so juiced and roided up - that he upgrades from a 1-hex unit to a 2-hex unit and you don't even care about losing that hex. Truly, a gigachad unit.
@PashaandDrosha
3 жыл бұрын
I think he meant gemlords, as in they cost an upfront 40 gems to recruit at 2 gems each.
@sandortojzan5409
3 жыл бұрын
Alrighty, so now that all the units are listed, I guess it's time to do a recap to see which town has the best units on average. First of all, let's do the list: Castle (upgraded) - 1 Heaven, 1 S , 2 A, 1 B, and 2 C tier units Rampart (upgraded) - 2 S , 1 A, 3 B, and 1 C tier units Tower (upgraded) - 3 S , 3 A, and 1 B tier units Inferno (upgraded) - 1 S , and 6 A tier units Necropolis (upgraded) - 1 S , 3 A, 1 B, and 2 C tier units Dungeon (upgraded) - 1 S , 3 A, 1 B, and 2 C tier units Stronghold (upgraded) - 2 S , 2 A, 2 C, and 1 D tier units Fortress (upgraded) - 1 S , 2 A, 2 B, and 2 C tier units Conflux (upgraded) - 1 S , 3 A, 2 C, and 1 D tier units Cove (upgraded) - 3 S , 2 A, 1 B, and 1 C tier units Neutral - 1 S , 3 A, 2 B, 5 C, and 8 D tier units Castle (unupgraded) - 1 S , 2 B, 2 C, and 2 D tier units Rampart (unupgraded) - 1 A, 1 B, 4 C, and 1 D tier units Tower (unupgraded) - 4 B, 2 C, and 1 D tier units Inferno (unupgraded) - 5 B, and 2 C tier units Necropolis (unupgraded) - 1 B, 3 C, and 3 D tier units Dungeon (unupgraded) - 4 B, 1 C, and 2 D tier units Stronghold (unupgraded) - 1 A, 1 B, 3 C, and 2 D tier units Fortress (unupgraded) - 1 A, 2 B, 2 C, and 2 D tier units Conflux (unupgraded) - 1 S , 1 A, 1 B, 3 C, and 1 D tier units Cove (unupgraded) - 1 S, 1 A, 4 B, and 2 C tier units And now, unto the scores. The way I'm gonna be counting this is the exact same way that most schools count grades (at least in my country). With the D being worth 1, C being worth 2, and so on. I'm gonna be counting the median averages for all these factions, to see what their average rating would be. So let's see the overall tier list/ratings: Between S and A: Tower (upgraded) - 4.28 Inferno (upgraded) - 4.14 Cove (upgraded) - 4 Between A and B: Castle (upgraded) - 3.71 Rampart (upgraded) - 3.57 Necropolis (upgraded) and Dungeon (upgraded) - 3.42 Stronghold (upgraded) and Fortress (upgraded) - 3.28 Conflux (upgraded) - 3.14 Cove (unupgraded) - 3.125 Between B and C: Inferno (unupgraded) and Conflux (unupgraded) - 2.71 Castle (unupgraded) and Tower (unupgraded) - 2.42 Fortress (unupgraded) and Dungeon (unupgraded) and Rampart (unupgraded) - 2.28 Neutral - 2.15 Stronghold (unupgraded) - 2.14 Between C and D: Necropolis (unupgraded) - 1.71 So the top 3 best armies are the fully upgraded Tower, Inferno and Cove armies. While the top 3 worst ones are the unupgraded Necropolis and Stronghold armies, plus the neutral units. Not sure if these are the results dear Lexiav wanted, but here it is.
@blackwidow7804
3 жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure Green Dragon have 180hp just like red.
@GamerTakTiX
4 ай бұрын
I am by far a noob at this game but I did play most of the factions a few times. I would argue that gold dragons belong at either top or middle of b tier. They allow that faction to instantly switch to Armageddon mid game which allows to save other units from being used until it is time for the big battles at the end. I would love to hear some thoughts on this.
@strategos2219
3 жыл бұрын
Dislike because of rate on Mighty Gorgons... just kidding:D
@guest273
3 жыл бұрын
I do agree about the Angles cool attack sound. Problem with Homm3 is that 3D0 actually made the perfect game, so they went bankrupt, because why would you honestly play anything else! :D
@JuckiCZ
Жыл бұрын
The problem is, Heroes 4 is better! I know I will be beaten by all of you, but I still like HoMaM 4 much more than any other game from this series.
@guest273
Жыл бұрын
@@JuckiCZ Heroes 4 is a good game, yeah. But it feels more like a spin-off than a continuation / sequel of Heroes 3. Which I think was what a majority of the player base expected. Like going from heroes 3 to heroes 5 feels more natural than going from either of them to heroes 4.
@kane_lives
Ай бұрын
@@JuckiCZ Heroes 4 is a great one, but... only if we mod the game. The faction limitation, and morale implications of that is a terrible design choice in Homm 4. Not only are you very limited in what kind of heroes you can hire (they have to be "adjacent to your faction" in the tavern "wheel"), even heroes allowed from your tavern will get -4 (e.g. if you play as Life and hire a Mage hero, while you have some Nature creatures like Sprites for quick move speed). It can make or break the fight, if your Mage that is supposed to cast Mass Slow gets bad morale, he will go last, and this bad RNG can easily lead to a loss if you fail to Slow really fast creatures like Griffins or Thunderbirds. Barbarian can hire Might heroes from every faction, but even so he will still get -2 for mixing Might with non-Might. It's really difficult to raise hero morale in most cases, Hero skills only raise morale of units, not other Heroes. What were they thinking?
@JuckiCZ
Ай бұрын
@@kane_lives Sorry, but this makes sense to me - different factions influence each other’s morale. It also forces you to play own faction more and it brings balance to the game IMO. Otherwise, everyone would use the highest tier creatures from any castle, but this rule gives us a reason to use only creatures from 2 castles and mix lower tier in the army as well.
@kane_lives
Ай бұрын
@@JuckiCZ But there is no balance in umodded Homm4 on max difficulty. On both strategic and unit level. Order is the best faction because the Lord class is super cost efficient, and this faction has control spells on both untis and heroes. Also, for at least half the factions mixing units makes no sense, mostly because it is prohibitively expensive. But even if the dwellings themselves were cheaper, on Champion difficulty you simply cannot afford to trade blows vs massive neutral stacks. Even creatures with first strike are not good enough, since an enemy stack will still remain large enough to make the retaliation quite devastating. This means even otherwise solid creatures, such as Nomads, have to be avoided for their alternative, which is weaker, but has no retaliation, making it effectively a ranged creature, allowing you to take fights without losing a lot of them. The same goes for most other factions, when you almost always want Elves over Tigers, Magi over Golems, etc.
@alewis514
2 жыл бұрын
And to think that in unpatched base game (ROE retail release) AA's only costed 5000g. No gems. They were straight up cheaper than titans.
@morsperferro3419
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing tier list videos by you, mate, very good job, and I absolutely agree with this particular, except my beautiful fire chickens. I mean they’re not that strong but their looks make them the absolute best unit in the game for me.
@user-ho2od9qm4b
3 жыл бұрын
Do not forget they're the fastest units in the game(22speed)
@RabianskiT
3 жыл бұрын
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@fastsync1
3 жыл бұрын
@Lexiav consider creating more tier lists. They are really aweosome to watch :) For example tier list of best creatures to diplomacy: nixes are op :P Good job! :)
@karolorowski6146
3 жыл бұрын
Hydra if you can get dwelling in early game can do hives on its own, dragon flies are scared od her special abillity, I like them alot even though they are slowest of tier 7. And I'm surprised that Haspids are so low in the list, because 1 vs 1 they can outbrawl everything except exotic dragons, even AA's and AB's. But otherwise pretty reasonable list :)
@Vaginaattori
2 жыл бұрын
Haspids can do ridiculously high damage, if the fight is a long one, or they suffer many casualties. They can do +1000% damage. I've had 10 Haspids do the same damage as 100 of them. So much potential, but they don't fly or have an immunity. Imo poison could be replaced with something better. 12 speed is atleast better than Titans.
@xtviuchmv1573
3 жыл бұрын
This was a really good tier list, love your knowledge. specially bonedragon
@AstraLicious1
3 жыл бұрын
That was a great series, mate!
@Jitsune
Жыл бұрын
Why would you rate Crystal D but Azure S? Azure is hella expensive too and the stats are comparable, considering the 30% cost difference
@dominikvukelic2412
3 жыл бұрын
Aren't greens 180 hp instead of 160? That makes them above average in tankiness
@blainethemono19
3 жыл бұрын
Please do a tier list for the terrain types.
@dimitaraleksandrov6381
3 жыл бұрын
Great tier list! Was looking forward to this one the most! Could you please explain the dragon fake breath as I am a bit confused by the mechanics? Can't wait for your next list :)
@brianmayabella5992
Жыл бұрын
Fake breath? What u mean?
@dimitaraleksandrov6381
Жыл бұрын
@@brianmayabella5992 breath should hit 2 units, but there is a way to do it that doesn’t
@brianmayabella5992
Жыл бұрын
@@dimitaraleksandrov6381 i dont think theres a way for a fake breathe attack. Its a matter of the hex grid u want to attack. For exmple, a dragon facing east occupies 2 hex grid. Hex 1 = the face of dragon while hex 2 is the body. Depending of the point of your target grid, you can evade the attack. I dont think also it the attack is like of upgraded Magogs
@drarsen33
3 жыл бұрын
If each unit is given numerical value based on your ranking (from 1 to 5 based on the rank, and 6 for archangels) and then you average all scores across the castles you get this ranking: tower: 3,5 inferno: 3,4 cove: 3,3 castle: 3,1 rampart: 2,9 conflux: 2,9 dungeon: 2,9 fort: 2,8 stronghold: 2,7 necropolis: 2,6
@Lexiav
3 жыл бұрын
Wow :D You took the time! Very interesting.
@drarsen33
3 жыл бұрын
@@Lexiav It took me bit over 10 minutes. I also wanted to check rankings if only score of better (higher rated) variant of unit is taken into account. Maybe I will do it tonight since I saved data file
@drarsen33
3 жыл бұрын
If only max score per unit tier is taken into account tower 4,4 inferno 4,1 castle 3,7 cove 3,7 rampart 3,5 stronghold 3,5 necropolis 3,4 dungeon 3,4 fort 3,4 conflux 3,1 Top is stable, necropolis got bit buffed and conflux took nosedive.
@AwoudeX
3 жыл бұрын
@@drarsen33 for some reason i always liked playing tower, now i guess i know why ;p
@RiseAgainst369
Жыл бұрын
@@drarsen33 you mean inferno doesnt suck now? may go back to this game. been nearly a decade since my last single scenario
@joaodomingues5615
3 жыл бұрын
Just so that you know, haspids is the 2nd best tier 7 unit among castles. You can try to 1vs1 any of those tier 7 units on his own, and it only loses to archangel, even behemoth falls down to his might., just saying....
@Hardcore_Remixer
3 жыл бұрын
AND I TOLD SANDRO TO BRING THE DRACOLICH 😂 In case you don't know about Dracolich, they are same tier with Azures, 4 shots, not meele penalty, a bit less damage, 45 defense and offense plus chance to block damage when hit. They are from WoG.
@kawaiinekochandesu5375
3 жыл бұрын
dont get distracted by your toxic vocal minority chat, you can see that it is received well on youtube awesome stuff, love your content as always
@sreeenivas00706
3 жыл бұрын
Did you just put ancient behemoths over black dragons 😮
@kubakowalik6598
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, because ancient behemoths are far stronger?
@Dan-uf2vh
8 ай бұрын
First round: Phoenixes give first spell cast. Implosion takes out the stack of Archangels. gee gee.
@cantreadyourname9505
3 жыл бұрын
Fastest click in central europe
@serz9138
3 жыл бұрын
Poland?
@cantreadyourname9505
3 жыл бұрын
@@serz9138 No. Your brother, straight from Hungary!
@serz9138
3 жыл бұрын
@@cantreadyourname9505 Greetings bro!💪🏻
@mva6044
Жыл бұрын
Ha ha, Gym lords. Arrrggh too many leg-presses today! (for uninitiated it is GEM lords). The Archangel tier reveal was epic! (spoiler)
@andzzcage4253
3 жыл бұрын
Man thsese tier lists were awesome,so happy that the Ancient Behemot qualified to S tier
@ethannguyen7562
3 жыл бұрын
Phoenix should be tier S in SoD, heavily nefted in HotA
@martinlisitsata
2 жыл бұрын
i always hated the phoenix for not having fire shield
@Lightning_Lance
2 жыл бұрын
How do you turn a Bone Dragon into a Ghost Dragon? Take an X-ray.
@dimitrijesavkovic2794
2 жыл бұрын
how can i play hmm3 online? any link? what is needed? where should i make my acc? love this game played it when i was a kid and id love to get back into it
@captainmoonunitsexparty2903
3 жыл бұрын
My start: rush peasants with water magic so I can get mass bless and first aid so I can keep them healthy.
@Healthy_Kawk
3 жыл бұрын
flex strat
@prafpulbere
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Keep up the good work!
@AyratHungryStudent
Жыл бұрын
I never played PvP and it was interesting to hear the rankings from that perspective. I mostly agree with your rankings, but I think you should've put more focus on the "flying" attribute. It gives a lot of advantages in attacking and defending the towns.
@darkholyPL
3 жыл бұрын
I would put C.Hydras in B tier. Yea they are slow, but the aoe attack is nice. It's not that uncommon to be able to hit more than one creature, since it's not a breath it doesn't need to be in a line and the no reatal makes it free. I think they are a solid B tier.
@DOGEreal
2 жыл бұрын
Solid B?😂 What do you mean?? Worst health and damage and speed of any tier 7 unit and they cost so much for no reason at all. They have speed 9 and have 225 health very low stats and literally no damage. Terrible against shooters, no tankiness, no stats, no damage, high cost. Tell me a tier 7 unit worse than that... Firebirds deserve a C tier. They surprisingly die extremely fast. 10 archmagi can kill a firebird in non-shooting combat.
@darkholyPL
2 жыл бұрын
@@DOGEreal Firstly you got the stats wrong, second I never said 'solid' B, just B. Also as far as an upgraded tier7 unit goes, they are dirt cheap to buy. Again, one of the worst tier7 in homm3, but I don't think it's C tier level. IMO ofc.
@worldofnorman
Жыл бұрын
Personally I am a black dragon fan since you can use implosion on the angels or any other level 7 unit. Unless you have the ORB OF vulnerability which is a very rare artifact
@averagelizard2489
Жыл бұрын
It's not a rare Artifact at all lol. Also Black Dragons are like 2x times harder to build. But they are pretty cool, probably the best looking unit in the game.
@worldofnorman
Жыл бұрын
@@averagelizard2489 yeah in those shitty fan made maps its not but in a real map OOV is really rear
@erykbazak9500
3 жыл бұрын
Keep it up man great content
@caseyhansen1812
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for having a contrarian, non-sense take on Archangels. Without question the best unit. Basically broken.
@mopp5297
3 жыл бұрын
I like your cat. Oh and cool video btw.
@norveg31337
3 жыл бұрын
Hey dude, like ur vids, but would be awesome if you could do a competitive magic tutorial, I was watching some of your games and have no idea in general what is happening. Would be awesome if you could make some explanation.
@Akira_781
2 жыл бұрын
Never stop tiering us up with your tear lists… ;)
@piotrtoborek2442
3 жыл бұрын
WOW! This one is actually super accurate and objective compared to some lower levels. Good job! I expected Archangels to be God Tier :D It is worth noting that exotic dragons are listen as 8-10 level creatures by game creators. And some of them still lose to level 7s ;) Are You aware that Angels and Archangels are cyborgs created to defend the planet from alien threats (happened to be Kreegans aka Devils) according to the game lore?
@Lexiav
3 жыл бұрын
Ahaha. No i wasn't aware of this lore :D I'm more into the HOMM games for gameplay, and didn't dwell into the MM saga, atleast yet :) As for the tiers, the wiki shows them as tier 7, and many sources do treat them as t7 aswell, but i have seen some point to them as tier 8-10, so it isn't exactly news to me, but still having a lonely dragon per list seems meh, so here they are :)
@KRisGT97
3 жыл бұрын
First sorry about that, now without further ado, next I am expecting you can show this tier list to your friends at the bar and the library
@angelasenov6173
3 жыл бұрын
Ah I see, a fellow Antonio fan
@haloofthesun1
3 жыл бұрын
So you´re saying Azure dragons are worth to buy unlike other neutral dragons?
@blainethemono19
3 жыл бұрын
These are well done, only thing I'd argue is you underestimate Haspids. The revenge ability is so broken and those things are wrecking machines. You HAVE to use magic against them which opens up all other creatures in the army to be better than normal.
@rafachrzaszcz6997
3 жыл бұрын
Is there any chance we will see the ranking of the WoG's Tier 8 units? 😉 Lords of thunder (twice shot), Darkness Dragons (who act like Harpy Hag) etc?
@piorundip8705
3 жыл бұрын
My change: 1) Sea Serpents and Haspids +1. Especially Haspid is so good: fast, tanky, crazy skills and damage. I would even put it on A tier, they are at similar or even better than Ancient Behemoths beceause of speed. 2) Rampart dragons, ok they are slighty worse than Dungens dragons, but not that much worse (-2 in your list). +1 in tier for those dragons. 3) The diffence between Azure and Crystal Dragons, So in Your list Azure is on top and Crystal is on bottom. IMO there is not so much diffrence between them. Ofcourse Azure is stronger but it cost 50% of gold more. Ok it is at least 50% better, but it is all quite balanced. So its matter of decision where is to put them on list, but they should not be separated so much in tiers. The biggest difrence is mostly on Fear skill, but that is it.
@GRIMHOOD99
3 жыл бұрын
Anc. Behemonths are better because they are cheaper and their passive makes tanky stuff into a paper and paper into a mush. Rampart dragons should be -1 not -2 I agree. Azure dragons are also flying, have 3 extra speed which is insane, fear is powerful as hell. I would say crystal dragons are high C maybe low B tier in situations where you don't need it to fly which is almost never.
@piorundip8705
3 жыл бұрын
@@GRIMHOOD99 I can ganerally agree but with Behemots/Haspids imo in most of games price is importand but not as much, i mean on tier 7+ more importand is power of the unit, and as a late game comes there is usually enough of gold anyway so... power>cost efficiency so Yes BEhemots are more cost efficent but Haspids are more powerful and as 7+ tier i would chose Haspid. But just my opinion
@Malisa1990
3 жыл бұрын
Behemot dwelling can be build on day 2 and upgraded is doesn't have any bonus requirements, Sea Serpent dwelling you can barely made in the end of the weak and upgraded one is really resource demanding, Behes are great at any point of the game,Haspids not so much. Dragon Cliffs are insanely expensive to build, Green dragons are utter trash + Gold dragons will usually die with couple of implosion spells. Azure Dragons fly, have fear, have breath attack, AND are immune to slow. Crystal dragons are completely worthless in comparison
@GRIMHOOD99
3 жыл бұрын
@@piorundip8705 real power of the behemoths is how early they are accessible, by the time you get your first haspid you can have a bunch of behemoths. If it was 1 to 1 ratio in building haspids would demolish ancient behemoths because revenge and poison are stupidly powerful but for the map clearing behemoths are such an insane asset that they overshadow so many other better units. Phoenixes are garbage unit on paper except for speed but that speed converts to battle order and to map exploration and that is huge. So yeah if you ask me whether I want 10 haspids or 10 anc. behemoths but that is not how the game progresses.
@piorundip8705
3 жыл бұрын
I can agree that Behes are easy to produce compared to Sea Serpents, but then why hard to produce T7 units are so high in this ranking? Black Dragon is one of the worst and its problem to get them in week 1, and Hydra also is relative fast and cheap to acces. So maybe Hydra should go up and Black Dragon down?
@tonycostello6864
3 жыл бұрын
I've enjoyed your breakdowns and lists. Great explanations! I've played this game since the day it came out and it's still my all time favorite game. Over the many years I've used all the factions, and regardless of the many opinions inferno has always been one of my favorites. It's interesting how you rate the individual creatures pretty high on most these lists but many still say it's the worst town. I don't believe that it is the worst at all.
@ptrobo2
Жыл бұрын
Its a shame that im already finishing this monster tier list series! Great content id like to see more from your channel what about single player map scenario tier lists haha
@kevinnitta3576
Жыл бұрын
Just a minor change for me. The Black Dragon with complete immunity to magic is an S tier unit. Pair them with Armageddon and eliminate opposing stacks without ever moving.
@toramaru2490
8 ай бұрын
probably because they are so damn expensive. magic immunity is kinda hit and miss tho, cant be buffed. as for pheonix its faster, spawn a lot more, immune to fire (no berserk or blind), very cool armagedon build. i think A is suitable for black dragon
@kane_lives
Ай бұрын
@@toramaru2490 This is a Hota tier list, so Phoenix is 2 per week, with an expensive side upgrade for 3 per week. It's not Shadow of Death where you get 4 with just a Castle.
@Stepcloserr
3 жыл бұрын
what version do most people play on and what platform? I don't have my disc copies anymore lol
@NeblogaiLT
3 жыл бұрын
The proper version from GOG, plus HD+ unoficial mod, plus HotA unoficial expansion.
@althaz
9 ай бұрын
This is a good list, but IMO swap Red Dragons and Gold Dragons. Gold Dragons have all the issues you mentioned, but Red Dragons are still worse in literally every way except availability.
@pipper4747
5 ай бұрын
did you do an updated list with factory units?
@wyattenge8099
3 жыл бұрын
Crystal Dragons are good when you use them to there potential very good at tanking and being annoying so dont use them for dmg obviously
@br2266
3 жыл бұрын
Crystal dragons should be A tier at least because they can rush you from any distance.
@frankvandorp9732
3 ай бұрын
I never like it when the upgraded versions are always placed above the regular versions. Sure, they're more powerful, but they're also more expensive and require an often expensive dwelling upgrade. Surely there must be some cases of creatures where that more than compensates for the power increase, and make an upgrade not really worth it?
@DenLissel
3 жыл бұрын
Bone Dragons as a power stack on a map with few castles but many random dragon roosters can be unkillable as you can convert all the other dragons to Bone Dragons in the skeleton transformer... That said, it's kinda niche, but when it happens it's INSTANT victory. Kinda cool
@anandasatria7734
3 жыл бұрын
Him: Put red dragon at B tier. yet green dragon at D Me: Visibly confused seriously though, even if their future prospect isn't that great, I expect them to be at least at C tier and the gold at B.
@cenariusbg
3 жыл бұрын
If you get a red dragon. You actually get two because of the portal. So ... 2 red dragons => B 1 Green dragon => D
@cerber3260
3 жыл бұрын
@@cenariusbg I think a lot of people forget that there are other templates than JC in HoMM 3. Building Reds is just as painful as Greens so how are they 2 tiers lower?
@cenariusbg
3 жыл бұрын
@@cerber3260 Who cares about anything else but JC ? It is balanced and competitive. Everything else is pure luck. All these tier lists are based on JC.
@cerber3260
3 жыл бұрын
@@cenariusbg JC is not a very skillrequiring template and thus is way more luckbased. It lasts only a week after which the winner is clear in most games which means there is less room for mistakes and good decisions. "Everything else is pure luck"!? Like have you ever played Heroes or are you just along for the ride?
@Yuri_Yslin
3 жыл бұрын
@@cenariusbg Probably people who have been playing JC for years and will throw up at the very idea of playing that one again. :) I can't stand JC anymore.
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