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@WaxPaper
Ай бұрын
One of the reasons we're drawn to art is when we can see our own reflection in it. Whether we've cheated or been cheated on, I think a lot of people can relate to what we saw in this episode. I also think there's beauty in the self-destruction of it all. It's not about who we want to see together, or what we think is right. This is part of being human; the messy, horrific truth of love. Sometimes we set fire to our entire life for the things we want, even though we know it's not what we need. I think the beauty lies in acknowledging that, even if we don't endorse it.
@MarcReyes_
Ай бұрын
The extended cut is so much better than the broadcast edition for this episode. They cut it a lot of great stuff for TV like the Tigh and Kara, the conversation between Apollo and Dee on the raptor, some of the Adama/Roslin stuff. It's much better paced and provides far more insight than the broadcast version.
@jennym2276
Ай бұрын
I disagree
@MotelsonMars
Ай бұрын
I disagree. I really can't stand this extended cut.
@EnigmaticPenguin
Ай бұрын
Tigh laughing at Kara might be my low-key favourite moment this season.
@ramy8207
Ай бұрын
it's one of my favorite moments of the show. such good scene in so many ways. it's a shame a lot of folks never see it if they don't watch deleted scenes or extended cuts
@evagreenwell3610
Ай бұрын
Wow! Having never seen the extended, there is so much more context in there.
@Rees2005
Ай бұрын
Personally I see Starbuck and Apollo as soul mates...not necessarily of the lovers category but more like they hail from the same soul tribe which is why sometimes they seem like siblings,then besties, at times a sexual connection. Confusing... absolutely... but this is how I've come to terms with the two of them. However, I don't like seeing others hurt like D or Anders...this show is very good at reflecting the toxicity and complexity of human relationships. Thanks guys!💚
@CaptainEnglehorn
Ай бұрын
Katee Sackhoff said on a panel that she considers Lee and Kara as soulmates, but that they don’t belong together.
@Rees2005
Ай бұрын
@@CaptainEnglehorn Very cool, thank you ☺️
@screamr2d2
Ай бұрын
I appreciate everything you said. Thank you for not just shitting on Starbuck and Apollo for the very complicated feelings that they can't help but feel and reduce them to only their toxicity. There's so much more to it than that, and hello! Everyone on that ship is toxic! Dee is toxic for the choices she made too. And so is Anders, in all his puppy dog happy go lucky acceptance, it's still toxic. They all deserve better, but then again who are we to say what anyone deserves
@Rees2005
Ай бұрын
@@screamr2d2 Ahhh. Thank you, hard to stay mentally and physically healthy when on the run from the brink of extinction. I live in a small city around 45k people and I wonder how would the rest of humanity be if it was up to the peeps where I live. Minus a few good ones, like myself😉😆, humanity would be ..fracked!!!LoL😅
@screamr2d2
Ай бұрын
@@Rees2005 EXACTLY! I'm from a town of about the same population, 85% of which are meth heads, and the rest are thoroughly frakked up from living through the horrors that come with everyone around you being a meth head (I'm of the second group) so I totally feel you there. We'd be screwed.
@Thalice95
Ай бұрын
There's a reason they call Kara, Lee, Anders and Dee the Quadrangle of Doom. You're right. You are totally meant to see the relationship as toxic.
@Mertztillithurts
Ай бұрын
I never heard that... It does fit though. lol
@Thalice95
Ай бұрын
@@Mertztillithurts Haha! Yeah, it was a phrase used in a few fan groups back in the day.
@PanzerKunstExponent
Ай бұрын
Moore was funny during the commentary of this one when he said something like, "if someone calls out Tigh, I think he'd just knife him."
@neutchain7838
Ай бұрын
I laughed so hard at that. The reason I bought the collectors BR version is his commentary for every single episode. :)
@ramy8207
Ай бұрын
I like the faux dialogue he suggests for Admiral Adama when he tells Lee about Anders and Kara: "Yeah, just happened. Wanna nut?"
@PanzerKunstExponent
Ай бұрын
@@neutchain7838 - those bits are so awesome! When I got my BR, I watched with commentary and the next morning (or after shift) would watch same episode again w/ out commentary!
@Rees2005
Ай бұрын
Call me nutty but I love seeing Mom and Dad of the fleet enjoying a fat doobie!!🤭💚
@MarcReyes_
Ай бұрын
One of my fave scenes
@abonny
Ай бұрын
NEVER bet against the Chief. The guy is a monster.
@screamr2d2
Ай бұрын
Also: I'm loving how much Joe is loving this episode! Everybody laughing at High Adama is adorable, and it's fun to see you guys getting into the fights.
@CybrSlydr
Ай бұрын
I REALLY liked this episode. Adama punishing himself for what happened... Really hit home. Though... Starbuck and Apollo are so toxic that it's hard to really root for either one or them together. Adama and Roslyn was really cute too. :)
@732ReviewCrew
Ай бұрын
We enjoyed them being what we assume is stoned :) it was silly and humanizing
@Sephiroth144
Ай бұрын
@@732ReviewCrew Oh yeah, on that good good NewCapKush
@sosayweall2509
Ай бұрын
this episode makes what cain said to adam about how close he was to his crew percient
@CaptainEnglehorn
Ай бұрын
The actor who played Helo is actually a former amateur boxer.
@sylviacottrell502
Ай бұрын
As infuriating it is to watch Kara and Lee continue to not be able to *not* ruin each other’s + their partners’ lives, I’m still glad that the show took them in the direction they did. They’re both incredibly flawed people who both make each other better in some ways but also bring out each other’s worst qualities/impulses, and I personally like the sort of cosmically-entwined-doomed-lovers thing even though it’s frustrating to watch sometimes because you *want* them to make better choices, but they can’t when it comes to each other. And that’s very, very human.
@screamr2d2
Ай бұрын
This has ALWAYS been in my top five favorite episodes. Call me toxic, but Lee and Kara's "dance" pretty much lived rent free in my mind. It wasn't until I started watching reactions that I was shamed into changing my tune about it. We get to see Kara and Tigh bond, too. In my drinking days, his motto was my motto 😂 if you want to avoid a hangover, don't stop drinking. Glad those days are done but I still love Tigh and his ways. I lost a lot of respect for Dee in this episode. Lee should NEVER have proposed to her, but he wasn't thinking right. Dee revealed herself to know EVERYTHING and still allowed herself to be the consolation prize KNOWINGLY with no delusions and yet now that her life looks like the life of a consolation prize she blames him? Nah dude you deserved better and he deserved to be alone. But you're the idiot and he's the genius cause he's the one with the loyal wife and she's the one with the half-in husband. It's just sad, all around. I understand Kara WAY more than I'd like to. Used to make me proud, but now it just makes me sorry. Age has ruined one of my favorite love stories! I guess that's the difference between 20 and 34.
@CaptainEnglehorn
Ай бұрын
Watching reactions is just cementing it for me how awesome Lee and Kara are. Yeah they are toxic as fuck. But there’s nobody else for them.
@screamr2d2
Ай бұрын
@@CaptainEnglehorn AMEN!
@screamr2d2
Ай бұрын
"I missed you" "I missed you too" still makes me cry, I don't care what anybody says. Their story is tragic. They love each other more than anything else in the universe obviously, but they're both too damaged to be good for each other, never on the same page at the same time.
@CaptainEnglehorn
Ай бұрын
@@screamr2d2exactly!
@Mertztillithurts
Ай бұрын
@@screamr2d2 Spot on
@johannesbowers7467
Ай бұрын
We don't do love triangles here... we go for the full Polyhedral Set.
@LMarti13
Ай бұрын
The extended cut of this episode is a masterpiece so happy that you guys watched it. It has recently come to my attention that some people hate it and those people deserve imprisonment
@Mertztillithurts
Ай бұрын
I think (no, I *HEARD*) that some of Bear's best music is missing from the extended. That is just one point. I do prefer this version, despite also loving Bear's music.
@Sephiroth144
Ай бұрын
And watching you loving the Mom & Dad hanging out and getting high... priceless
@Rees2005
Ай бұрын
I hate how Dualla feels second and is willing to accept Lee's proposal knowing this.
@Dendood
Ай бұрын
WHERE THE FRAKK IS EARTH? AND WHY AREN"T WE GETTING THERE ALREADY? That was my take whenever the one and done episodes popped up. Although you guys handled the last one a lot better than I did back in the day. That said, this is the Battlestar we got. And the Battlestar we got is better than the Battlestar we wanted. So keep that in mind as things roll forward. This is absolutely a necessary diversion and it's essential to the over all story. It sets the emotional stage for actions that happen in the future. But more importantly it hammers home what may be the ultimate question/theme of BSG. It was asked in the beginning of the series: Are humans worthy of survival? And the show is saying the question remains undetermined. The jury is out. As a species humans created the mess that are the Cylons. Worse, humans are also pretty good at self destruction without any aid from the Cylons. Nothing about the crew is perfect. ( Helo and Anders being the lone possible exceptions. ) Everyone else consistently demonstrate flaws. Is Kara worth saving or not? She loves Lee but also loved Zack. And hid her feelings for Lee because of it. Assumed she was strong enough to move on with Anders, but it seems her feeling for Anders had more to do with high tension emotions back on Caprica. If Aliens appeared on earth today and took a look at what's going on around the globe, would they say humans are worth saving? Moving on... My only regret is BSG did not have the budget to do this episode right. The action takes place on the decommissioned side of Galactica. Unfortunately they did not have the cash to flesh out that backdrop.
@neutchain7838
Ай бұрын
Such a good episode. I really miss good filler episodes of TVshows that had 20+ episodes per season. Phenomenal writing in this one again, some really crucial scenes to understand motivations and they laid some groundwork for later plotlines. I love the character work they do in this season, everyone gets so much more depth. Competently written for adults and played to perfection by the actors. The actress who played her ( Kandyse McClure ) was amazing. For one she is absolutely stunning but her voice with those sad eyes the way she looks at Lee when she said yes to his proposal is really heartbreaking. She absolutely killing it in the show and for a supporting character she really is amazing. Really hyped for Razor guys but even more hyped for the season finale. :)
@sosayweall2509
Ай бұрын
this show did bottle episodes right and this one really fleshed out relationships in the show that were pivotal for the rest of the series
@MotelsonMars
Ай бұрын
I'm glad you guys enjoyed this episode. It's polarizing. Personally it's one of my favorites but I prefer the broadcast cut.
@chet8682
Ай бұрын
the commentaries, on every episode bar 1, are some of the best for any series. Ronald D Moore is super entertaining to listen too. he confirmed that they are absolutely smoking a weed equivalent in this episode. in fact anytime they smoke after this is also. they just can't outright say it because of the TV censors at the time
@corgiluver9718
Ай бұрын
Enjoyed your reaction, thanks guys.
@sosayweall2509
Ай бұрын
i'd go back and watch the non extended version the editing makes it feel very very different
@boqndimitrov8693
Ай бұрын
some people just don't know how to be happy. kara - the queen of wrong choices, is one of them.
@bcn1gh7h4wk
Ай бұрын
say it once, say it a hundred times: find yourself a partner that looks at you the way Adama and Roslin look at each other. and for the love of the old gods and the new... do NOT be like Lee or Anders! do NOT expect marriage or recognition to MAKE *_YOU_*
@auntvesuvi3872
Ай бұрын
Many thanks to Mikey, Joe and Mike! ➕
@sosayweall2509
Ай бұрын
weird how you didnt catch that adam was mad at cheifs waivering loyalty,,adam served with chioef on 3 different tours of duty he's as much family as his son
@732ReviewCrew
Ай бұрын
Oh snap we didn't get that
@sirimity
Ай бұрын
Yeah, Kara and Lee killed any good feelings I had for them here, I was completely over them after this episode. I’m not a big Dee fan, but even she doesn’t deserve this (tbh, it’s probably karma for her.) Anders DEFINITELY doesn’t deserve this, he’s probably my 2nd favorite character of the show.
@732ReviewCrew
Ай бұрын
As big fans of Dee, we are sad
@CaptainEnglehorn
Ай бұрын
@@732ReviewCrewDee with Lee just feels so forced.
@CaptainEnglehorn
Ай бұрын
Ironically this episode solidified Lee and Kara for me as my favorite romantic pairing in the show, but I know I’m in the minority.
@jesse33cdn
Ай бұрын
.....❤❤❤❤❤.....
@constanza86
Ай бұрын
Personally, I don't like the extended cut of this episode. TV cut seems to have better flow. I assume that is due to music in TV cut playing a better role of filling up the parts that are not present in that shorter cut.
@LudusAurea
Ай бұрын
Oh it's this episode. Yea, I never liked this episode. Of like the 20 times I've rewatched this series I think I've seen this episode twice because I just skip it. It really has no relevance to the rest of the show and might be mentioned one time later. Honestly one of the more boring bottle episodes in TV, I know everyone else here disagrees but it kind of feels like it was just there to shore up the episode count before the mid season finale.
@RpTheHotrod
Ай бұрын
Definitely the worst episode of the series.
@chrisfraser5088
Ай бұрын
This is the episode that truly reveals how toxic Lee and Kara are towards each other. You really don’t want to root for either of them after this episode. But the episode balances it well with the scenes of Adama and Roslin. This honestly isn’t my favourite episode. But it certainly fills a lot in.
@screamr2d2
Ай бұрын
Wrong. I root for both of them. Plenty of people root for them. It's a complicated situation full of complicated emotions and nobody made the right decisions. That doesn't make them bad people. I will always root for them
@jennym2276
Ай бұрын
This has a lot of unnecessary information that in my opinion takes away from the story. The original as aired was better. I sorta hate this episode and really didn’t need more.
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