Joe missed the only way Greta got access to infor.ation was through lapses created by baltar.
@LMarti13
Ай бұрын
Joe's completely lost the plot on Gaius, I can't wait to see his reaction to some arguments that are made later this season
@dekulruno
Ай бұрын
It was baltar who pointed out the device on the bridge (because he remembered six had one of the same device on Caprica, and he used it to point the finger at Dorral ), Gaeta was the one who examined it and determined it was cylon.
@guicaldo7164
Ай бұрын
Your discourse and opinions about Gaius are making me SO excited to see your reaction to the season finale
@iupdauber
Ай бұрын
Getting so close to some of the greatest episodes in television history. I cant wait
@pablom-f8762
Ай бұрын
The next one is hated, but it is one of my favourites. No racism in space.
@Sephiroth144
Ай бұрын
Which episode are you referring to?
@reactions5783
Ай бұрын
Why is the guy in the middle so convinced that the Cylons wouldn't have executed the humans on New Caprica, whether or not Gaius signed the list? They've been murdering billions all along, but they would have stopped because of a lack of signature on a piece of paper? 🤣
@LMarti13
Ай бұрын
this is the funniest about that argument. ok, Gaius had choice, he had the choice to die. wow cool, so now he's dead and so are all the other people nice choice.
@sosayweall2509
Ай бұрын
Also their end solution was to just nuke the population if they couldn't get it under control..gaius was just there to legitimate their actions in the name of "god"
@MarcReyes_
Ай бұрын
I don't think Baltar had any say in who was on the death lists. I think all the cylons needed him for was his signature to provide their actions with legitimacy. Adama knocked out Gaeta with one punch! According to the podcast commentary, this episode was initially supposed to be more light-hearted in tone. It obviously changed dramatically by time of filming, however. Regarding Joe's Bar, remember that Galactica has taken on a significant civilian population after the exodus from New Caprica. It's most likely located in the area of the ship that's been allocated to the civilians. (I believe they mentioned Camp Oil-Slick is in one of the unused hanger bays.)
@sirimity
Ай бұрын
As much as I dislike Gaius, he never knowingly hurt anyone on Caprica. He was naive and gullible, but there are so many people on this show that have done similar. And New Caprica, he was completely under duress when it came to the execution list, we saw him. Putting all the blame on him is unfair. He also did give Gaeta the info he needed to the resistance. He always knew how the information was getting out and he never stopped it or let the Cylons know. When it comes to the love square, I always skip over them on rewatch, they all annoy me when they’re together. Though Joe saying he wanted a Dee and Anders beach scene made say ew for the first time lol never once did I ever imagine that. Dee honestly has a lot of attachment issues, she cheated on someone that cared a lot about her so that she could purse a relationship with someone that she KNEW had feelings for someone else. Then married him when she knew he LOVED Starbuck, quite literally told him she knew before saying yes. Now she’s still choosing to stay after he cheated and knowing that he’s lying, at least to himself. 🤦🏻♀️ and I have to say, this is probably the biggest reason I hate it when people say that Lee is such a good moral guy. Nope, he’s good when it comes to justice and the law (for the most part), but he’s so flawed about personal morality.
@derrisreaditbefore
Ай бұрын
YES. Thank frak I'm not alone in seeing that the flaws in their marriage aren't ALL on Lee (though hypocritical and self-righteous look no good on anyone). I add my own head-cannon that Dee has carried her trauma with her own father (fighting before she joined the fleet, and not reconciling before the genocide) into her relationship with Bill, and has made him 'the standard' to meet. Billy, thriving in the political sphere, doesn't show the 'type' of drive she admires. Lee comes close. She doesn't love Lee, she loves how much of Bill she can see in him.
@chet8682
Ай бұрын
the actor who plays adama did such a great job directing this episode, and not only that, the way it intercuts between scenes was all him in the editing room. Great character piece.
@rocketeer3667
Ай бұрын
Review Crew 17:57 That question is only answered in a BSG Webinar Series, fyi.
@corgiluver9718
Ай бұрын
Enjoyed your lively discussion, thanks.
@liul
Ай бұрын
Baltar gave a nuclear weapon to a Cylon, which explosion gave up the location of New Caprica to the cylons. Giving a nuclear weapon to the enemy isn't an innocent action
@Cisfordelta
Ай бұрын
People always forget this is the reason he should hang. He gave a nuclear bomb to a terrorist because he wanted to fuck her.
@zacharyramsli8002
Ай бұрын
Don't you think it's interesting to compare and contrast: Baltar's reasoning that he had a gun to his head - he had no choice: he did what he had to survive. VS Tigh's reasoning for the suicide bombings against other humans: who were themselves doing what they thought they needed to do to survive. Wasn't the reasoning for the suicide bombings also: we're doing what we need to do to survive?
@auntvesuvi3872
Ай бұрын
Thanks to Mikey, Joe and Mike! 🦾🆚💪
@azuresentry815
Ай бұрын
I think there's a lot to be said for the shit that Baltar did do (unintentionally giving Cylon access tot he mainframe, helping the Cylon on the path to Earth, etc) but I think his actions as "president" under the Cylon are pretty forgivable. They were going to do whatever they wanted with or without him. The New Caprica Police were honestly doing more direct impact things to shield the Cylon from doing it themselves compared with Baltar. I wouldn't say he bears no responsibility at all but from what they showed us he was in worse shape for his collaboration versus living large and being super buddy buddy with all the Cylons. Also yes, I hate the entire Apollo-Starbuck arc at this point and its why Apollo in particular sits firmly on my shit list going fwd. He's a "real" character so I think its written well as a flawed human being but he's a shitty person.
@chrisfraser5088
Ай бұрын
Powerful episode! I was absolutely floored the first time I watched this one. So many incredible episodes to come.
@TheKonkaman
Ай бұрын
I like how you are so sure about the final 5 theory, you stating its a fact now
@BrianKapellusch
Ай бұрын
I'm with you on that score choice... "What if a melody but just one note"
@randallwong7196
Ай бұрын
The Baltar - Gaeta secrets are in the webisodes known as The Face Of The Enemy. Now I see a description of it, and though it has New Caprica stuff, it fits in S4, so....spoilery? Whooops? People shouldn't watch until they reach the midpoint of S4?
@derrisreaditbefore
Ай бұрын
Glad you mentioned these (making sure to reply so it gets noticed faster)
@Dendood
Ай бұрын
Just a reminder that when the show started the Galactica was in the process of being converted to a Museum. So the Starboard side launch tubes had been removed and the entire right pod was effectively decommissioned. When the mission was taken to pick up food from the algae planet, civilians were moved from their ships to the Starboard side, hence the extra construction... living quarters. The bar. I just wish there was more money in the budget to more effectively create the backdrop of the Starboard port. Beyond the use of drop lighting in an innocuous dark space. Even though, if there were a bar in a mostly hollowed out Starboard bay, it would look like a cavernous dark space with drop lighting. Speaking of money and budget... We have come to the point where the writers got their arms twisted to throw in more of what you guys call bottle episodes. It's a tough call. Season 4 was under a lot of budget pressures to potentially end the series short, in the same way The Expanse was shortened in season 6. BSG was a critical hit but the ratings numbers -which translate into ad revenue- were dropping. A tough thing to happen to a show that was super expensive to produce. Add it all up, the Execs at Sci Fi Channel wanted jumping on points for new viewers. Which made for huge problems in the flow of the over all narrative. Rest assured the excitement coming is going to a banger Ending with arguably the best season finale of the Show. Even better than Adama being shot in season one. And the only way to see it all blow your minds is for me to keep watching!
@LudusAurea
Ай бұрын
The season finale is lit. Can’t wait.
@nullunit
Ай бұрын
Joe hates Baltar and that's cool, but he is still wrong about the reason to hate him. Baltar is a selfish and venal man, but with few exceptions giving the nuke to Gina (6 from teh Pegasus) and maybe for maybe knowing that Sharon was a Cylon in season 1 and not telling anyone, he didn't willingly do a whole lot of bad things. Everything else he says is not just subjectively true, but actually true. He was under duress on New Caprica and did what he could without getting killed. Anything more than that wasn't in his character to do. He is not selfless, he wasn't ever going to sacrifice himself. Hate Gaius because he is a trash human for sure, but any other motive ascribed to him is kind of unfair. He is just a self-interested scumbag, not an evil mastermind. Personally I love James Callis' portrayal of Gaius very much and he is always fun to watch when he has screentime. It differs from the OG Battlestar's Gaius in that he always seemed like a wanna mastermind, like a bad comic books villain who just always loses.
@WaxPaper
Ай бұрын
You guys ready for the trial of Gaius frakkin' Baltar?!
@LudusAurea
Ай бұрын
Dying served no purpose for Gaius. He did definitely help through the show too.
@user-zx9jq4pv1w
Ай бұрын
Yup, Apollo, a cheater judging a cheater as a worse cheater is sick comedy gold. I never liked this story line between Lee and Starbuck.
@boqndimitrov8693
29 күн бұрын
what a horrible mess! apollo, starbuck, and the hapless victims of their messed up relationship!... 😮
@sosayweall2509
Ай бұрын
Lol watching them get timeliness wrong is hillarious..the cylons have also been following the book of pythia that contains roadsigns to earth. Remeber Sharon said we know more about your gods than you do.
@derrisreaditbefore
Ай бұрын
Heheeee this is getting intense and I'm LOVING IT. The missing information you need for why Gaeta is so determined to kill Gaius, is only in the mid-season 4 webisodes "Face of the Enemy". WELL worth watching. The Toxicity Tangle of Kara, Lee, Sam, and Dee is the only through line in this series I actively dislike. Saying that, the cast pull off the tragedy of it well. The only true innocent in the situation is Sam. I've never been a fan of Lee (he's a bit too righteous for me, rich I know, given how much I love Helo 🤷), I find him inflexible of thought - and Dee knows him. WELL. She even went into the marriage eyes open where Kara was concerned - she grasped that she was the 'safe' option. Don't get me wrong, I think Dee is one of the most observant, capable, dedicated people on Galactica, and I think she's a morally fantastic woman. I also think she doesn't love Lee either. I think she's in love with Bill, and that she sees enough of the Admiral in his son to try and make that work. As for the emotional morass that is Kara, she's been damaged on some fundamental levels and is terrified of how vulnerable Lee makes her feel. Meeting Zach first is what made everything go wrong between Kara and Lee, it put their attraction into a zone neither of them knew how to deal with. When you combine all of that, Kara's equal vulnerability to Bill's opinion makes sense. She *craves* his approval. This bit is specifically for Joe. Joe. Dude. Gaius is *human*, he makes mistakes. He's also a genius who feels profound shame for having been tricked into the downfall of the Colonies. Keeping the secret of how he was duped into 'helping' the Cylons isn't to hide the act itself, but to hide the fact that HE WAS FOOLED by them. Everything else he's done is the action of a man who thinks multiple steps ahead, if I tell them this, will they ask about that? If I admit that, will they think I'm deranged or incapacitated in some way? Even in terms of personal survival, I think he persists because allowing himself to be killed by *anyone* means they must have outsmarted him somehow. He's not a 'bad' man. He's arrogant, insensitive, self-aggrandizing, promiscuous, and highly complex, none of which makes him 'bad' (and he totally created opportunities for Gaeta to discover and disseminate information to the rebellion). During the window of time between arrival and occupation of New Caprica, Gaius clearly declined in mental health. We come back to him heavily dependent on pain killers, and drowning himself in debauchery - consider - woman whose life he saved, who is the SAME MODEL as the woman he loved, would rather kill herself in a nuclear explosion than try to live with him. Then, when the cylons 'arrive in peace', there she is, but now he's powerless to fight them, and does EXACTLY WHAT LAURA DID IN THE MINI-SERIES and surrenders. In contrast, Tigh, while running the resistance, set up situations designed to cause multiple innocent casualties, to drive people toward the cause. He allowed hospital and religious quarters to be targeted and felt no shame about any of it. We all give Tigh the grace of situational intent. Gaius is as deserving of it. For the upcoming story line, think back to the episodes just after the exodus from New Caprica when Tom Zarek legitimized a secret 'Circle' to try, convict, and sentence, as many 'war criminals' as possible. The reasoning he gave Laura is about to be tested.
@Ericthelogos
Ай бұрын
Now you gotta watch the web episodes and watch Razor too.
@tomaszmankowski9103
Ай бұрын
Hi! Lee Adama's convoluted relationship with Dualla is one of reasons why I consider this season worse the the second one. It just makes me question watching certain scenes and Dee is just too good person to experience this nonsense. Good some of the coming episodes are just brilliant. I find the scenes with Baltar disturbing, but in the right way - the failed suicide, the explosive meeting with Roslin, the interrogation scene with Gaeta and finally the drug induced anxiety are all interesting and give much insight in this character. Baltar is a very flawed man who is hard to like and easy to despise, but offers some insigght in the problem of collaboration and the responsibility of a politician in extreme situations. It is easy to demand heroism, but only some people are brave enough and in the most dire of circumstances even the bravest of men and women can fail and cause horrible events to take place - regardless how good people they are. I think I will reserve longer comment for the trial of Baltar, which is coming and is very well written. It includes some scenes which I find some of the best scenes in this series. Take care!
@sosayweall2509
Ай бұрын
Starbuck is lees muse that all im.going to say
@CrashCraftLabs
Ай бұрын
ooo trial time, this one is fun, the guess star is a great actor yall will def like it...
@LudusAurea
Ай бұрын
Dying served no purpose for Gaius. He did definitely help through the show too
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