I had the privilege of singing this with the Costa Rica Symphony Choir, one of the best times of my life. One of those moments of my life I will treasure forever.
@ThisIsLiving__
4 жыл бұрын
Isn’t this one of the most beautiful piece of music ever made 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@fansofst.maximustheconfess8226
3 жыл бұрын
IT IS.
@Leonardo-gc5rh
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is. It is the perfect connection between a genius like Beethoven and God through music.
@Leonardo-gc5rh
Жыл бұрын
I sang it Caracas, Venezuela in 1992, and it is my favorite choral symphonic movement of the classic music. You cross by different emotions ans it could be sublime, humbled, passionate, glorious. Thanks Genius Beethoven
@Leonardo-gc5rh
Жыл бұрын
04:14 - 04:50 Beethoven a genius, he draw with the flaute a melody about the moment when Angel Gabriel annouces to Virgen Maria that Jesus will born. Note that flaute is flying around the solist while they sing Et in carnatus est.. You can imaging the wings of an angel or a cherub flying around to Virgin Maria.Only Beethoven!
@charlymanzombo8888
6 ай бұрын
Had a chance of sing this beautiful works and was one of our best performance in uct just before covid with alex as majestro with cape town symphony choir
@juliaromotoriello9985
3 жыл бұрын
Majestuoso !
@Rub5007
6 жыл бұрын
Finally! YESSSSS!
@requieem2802
4 жыл бұрын
I dont know but l love the altos und sopranos part at 10:18.... And I die literally at the end of the passus et sepultus est passage, so incredible wao :) i never Heard such a beautiful Credo part in a Missa. But with Haydns Nelson and Pauken Messe is Beethovens missa solemnis my Favorite missa of All. And I want to compose a missa solemnis too one Day.
@elias69420
4 жыл бұрын
First of all, good luck! I'd like to listen to your Missa when you'll finish it. Second of all, try the "Credo" from Mozart's Mass №15, "Coronation". It's very catchy.
@requieem2802
4 жыл бұрын
@@elias69420Thank you! I know the Krönungsmesse from Mozart and I love this Mass as Much like other great or short masses (? I dont know the plural) but I am currently composing a missa solemnis for my Best friend. I am at the Gloria part, qui tollis. When I made the Credo part, I will answer to your comment. I will show you then somehow a youtu.be link to this if you want because I use musescore and I upload Videos from there.
@elias69420
4 жыл бұрын
@@requieem2802 Awesome! I'm composing a Mass too. It's kind of like a Missa brevis ed solemnis. Short but solemn. I'm working on the parts not in order though. I'm making the Credo, then the Sanctus, then Kyrie, then Agnus Dei, then Gloria. Edit: I have decided I will make the Credo and Sanctus last if I will ever. These texts are pretty tricky to put on music. I'll begin with Kyrie, Gloria, and Agnus Dei. Actually, who cares?
@MrJon92as
3 жыл бұрын
@@requieem2802 I would love to hear your mass. In composing your mass, I'm curious to know if the Gloria is longer or if the Credo is longer since I know in some masses like Haydn's Lord Nelson Mass (which my college choir did a few years ago, but I sadly got sick on the day of the performance) the Gloria is longer than the Credo even though the text in the Credo is longer than the Gloria. Also, how are you splitting the Gloria and the Credo, and I'd like to know if you plan on setting the "et vitam venturi" text, which ends the Credo, to a fugal setting?
@requieem2802
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrJon92as I wrote 2 Masses, a "test" mass in D-minor (like the Nelson mass, my favorite mass) and a missa brevis in C-major. In my first mass the Gloria is longer than in the second. But I am currently working on a missa solemnis in B-dur and there is the gloria the biggest part, like Mozarts Große Messe C-Moll. In my first mass I split the Gloria until filius Patris, then qui tollis, Quoniam. And the credo is from credo in unum deum until et incarnatus est and et ressurexit (like typical haydn masses). In my second mass the Gloria is shorter, the credo is longer. In my third mass I am currently on the et ressurexit part, I divided the Gloria part like Mozart in his mass in c-minor, but the credo part ist like haydns Credos, although I made a special Crucifixus part. I am really bad in fuges, so I try to avoid them, but I want to make et vitam saeculi fuges, when I will get better at this and maybe I will do it in my third mass, my missa solemnis in B. But It would rather be a fugato. I have to train the fuge in general. But I want to make Masses in haydns style but with my... Touch haha. But the credo of beethovens missa solemnis is more than fantastic and inspirational, so I want to make something like beethovens missa solemnis and haydns late Masses (my favorite masses are nelsonmesse, Paukenmesse, harmoniemesse).
@mw11stuff
4 жыл бұрын
Wow that is one long credo
@88tongued
10 ай бұрын
Oh man...wow that cleared my sinuses
@aryndorneal458
6 жыл бұрын
Tyvm
@Ivan_1791
4 жыл бұрын
7:05-8:46 This is simply too good. What is your favourite moment in this movement?
@sinisamarovic
4 жыл бұрын
For me it's from 11:18 until the end. I prefer parts where the choir is more emphasized.
@mireilleassena
4 жыл бұрын
Et vitam venturi saeculi, AMEN ! 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍🇨🇲
@mireilleassena
4 жыл бұрын
@@sinisamarovic it's the same with me
@sinisamarovic
4 жыл бұрын
@@mireilleassena My choir performed Missa Solemnis a few months ago, and next Saturday I'm performing as a guest with Oxford Bach Choir :) www.oxfordbachchoir.org/obc-concerts/beethoven-missa-solemnis/
@joyride999
4 жыл бұрын
Et incarnatus... Homo factus est... Et resurrexit.... Et vitam venturi
@JAOrtizCompositor
5 жыл бұрын
3:38
@peterstudios7147
Жыл бұрын
very beautiful, captures the begining of a life very well and it also sounds similar to the old gregorian chants
@JAOrtizCompositor
Жыл бұрын
@@peterstudios7147 *That’s right.* 🙂
@markshinofficial6742
4 жыл бұрын
It's really fast. It's not weird.
@music.tv.29
4 жыл бұрын
5:27
@leonhardeuler6811
2 жыл бұрын
10:08
@bar.hanyuna
2 жыл бұрын
14:00
@leonhardeuler6811
3 жыл бұрын
1:52
@Ivan_1791
4 жыл бұрын
Any idea of the harmonies used in the fragment: 7:03-8:46?
@dpetrov32
4 жыл бұрын
It starts in d minor, so from the first "passus" at m. 173: V6/5, i, V4/3, i6 Then the choir takes over and at 3rd beat of m. 176 is an f# dim7, ie. vii7/iv. Third beat of m. 177 is iv. M. 178 is interesting, begins at i6/4, followed by a semitone down in the bass to V6/5 of V (E major 6/5), which resolves in the second beat by another semitone down in the bass to a V2, followed in the third beat by i6. Neapolitan harmony (in the root position interestingly) is in the m. 179, followed by a fourth inversion of the B flat major chord, in roman numerals bII into VI2. This is resolved via a semitone down in the bass to i6/4 in the third beat of m. 180. Naturally a V7 follows in the next measure with some chromatic passing harmonies, resolved by a Picardy third into D major chord (I) at the "-tus". M. 182 is a beautiful minor ninth chord, V9/IV (D major with an Eb ninth). M. 183 is the resolution - a g minor chord, iv6/4 - the D in the bass doesn't move. M. 184 is an interesting modulation to an f minor 6/4 chord at m. 185. The bass goes from D to Db to C of the 6/4. There is only one tone in the whole orchestra at m. 184 (Db), so it's hard to say, but it might be an augmented sixth chord in the key of f minor, which naturally resolves a semitone down to a 6/4. Anyway all this is followed by C major at m. 186, then a 7th is added in the bass, and it goes through f minor to a 6/4, which seems strange at first, but the next section begins with a G major chord in the key of C major, so the G in the bass is shared and it transitions more smoothly.
@Ivan_1791
4 жыл бұрын
@@dpetrov32 Thank you so much dude!
@yew8265
Жыл бұрын
15:25 연습
@danielfladmose
3 жыл бұрын
From where did you find this piano reduction?
@ensemblevocalgraciousvoice8795
3 жыл бұрын
That seems to be from Breitkopf EB29, but this impression needs to be verified
@vengerer
Жыл бұрын
Is this the old Gardiner recording?
@margaretnewman5710
3 жыл бұрын
To me this is a bit fast, takes away from build up of the double fugue, otherwise a good performance.
@Ivan_1791
4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else see a lot of influence by Händel or is it just me?
@dylank3795
4 жыл бұрын
Handel was one ofBeethoven's favorite composers and a major influence on this work from what I've heard
@mattbalfe2983
4 жыл бұрын
If you listen to the Dona Nobis Pacem he almost copies the messiah for a few measures.
@fansofst.maximustheconfess8226
3 жыл бұрын
@@leonelbat ;)
@vanderson-lr1pq
5 жыл бұрын
It's "Allegro ma non troppo" not "Molto vivace".
@colinmurphy2214
5 жыл бұрын
vanderson30198 the score is marked allegro ma non troppo at 0:00
@louisvalencia5244
4 жыл бұрын
@@colinmurphy2214 Yes, what he's referring is that this is way to fast
@GPark-kx2vk
4 жыл бұрын
Gardiner set a bit faster tempo than other performances, but i think it fits the music. You should think that Beethoven used to set fast tempos in his works. This tempo expresses much more 'Allegro' which means 'brillant' in Italian.
@davidwahrheit6143
3 жыл бұрын
@@louisvalencia5244 I disagree. I think these tempi work perfectly. Some interpretations are far too slow.
@user-lg4nf4cv6o
2 жыл бұрын
10:02 11:17
@pannonia77
6 жыл бұрын
Too fast and too aggressive for my taste. (And I dislike Italianate Latin pronunciation in works of German composers: Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven.)
@Rub5007
5 жыл бұрын
Why do you listen it when you don’t like it?
@Xebec9894
5 жыл бұрын
so u dont like what u cant to do it urself what a jerk 🙃
@louisvalencia5244
4 жыл бұрын
@@Xebec9894 That's not how music works... I dont think Beethoven couldn't, for example, direct the vocals just because he didn't know how to sing. (jftr i know B didn't direct this particular piece, just saying). And yes, in effect, i find it too fast and less dynamic than many versions i've heard.
@TheMaestro2005
3 жыл бұрын
I’m sure Beethoven would of loved the aggressiveness and the tempo! He has forzando throughout this entire Credo for a reason. Fast with motion, Beethoven loved his quick tempos. As far as the pronunciations, that’s a matter of opinion. Gardiner specifically requests his singers not to sing like English men.
@TenorCantusFirmus
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMaestro2005 About the pronunciation, I think restoring the "Ecclesiastical" one for Latin is always the best possible option, after all that was the one composers were likely taught since at least the Renaissance. About tempos, I find them to be absolutely appropriate, after all Beethoven isn't Bruckner, his way to convey emotions and textual meanings is more direct and straightforward, he always seems to not have to think about the answer he wants to deliver, so I think a faster, more energetic tempo isn't a problem.
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