* First Sketch Performance: 08:52 * Second Sketch Performance: 16:59 * Third Sketch Performance: 21:36
@srothbardt
16 күн бұрын
Beethoven’s handwriting suggests nearly breathless energy jumping forward.
@srothbardt
16 күн бұрын
Thank you for this great lecture!!! Fascinating! Every music student should see this.
@paulalcazar
11 ай бұрын
Fantastic scholarly analysis. This helped me a lot. Thank you!
@ThomasPosen
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for your kind comment!
@laurencelevine3955
2 жыл бұрын
The sketches are MARVELOUS, but great as they are, Beethoven made the finished work still GREATER!!!!!!
@ThomasPosen
2 жыл бұрын
The final piece is quite extraordinary! It’s been really fun reconstructing how the piece came to be.
@jamisonsanchez9372
11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for making these available. I really enjoyed your writing on your website and the accompanying videos.
@ThomasPosen
6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@GCWWCT
3 жыл бұрын
Bravo. I’m still visiting this cause your playing and composition is so nice
@Dichotomos
Жыл бұрын
I discovered your content on Instagram and here I am finding an absolutely superb video on Beethoven. Your presentation and style are top-notch, bravo!
@ThomasPosen
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words! This video took an enormous amount of time as I had to learn Final Cut and all the animation tricks. I'm glad some are finding it informative!
@Ivan_1791
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this, great video.
@ThomasPosen
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ivan! Glad you liked it.
@Ivan_1791
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThomasPosen I did, I even shared it with a friend who is a beginner in composition.
@ThomasPosen
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ivan_1791 Right on! In due time an article version of this talk will be published in the Beethoven Journal hosted by the Ira F. Brilliant Center for Beethoven Studies. For beginners in composition, I definitely recommend working through Analyzing Classical Form by William Caplin (2013). Of course, I use form function theory (the method discussed in that book) extensively in this video.
@Ivan_1791
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThomasPosen Thank you for the information.
@aranyawaasii
2 жыл бұрын
more of this!
@ThomasPosen
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! You can find the published, peer-reviewed article version of the talk here: scholarworks.sjsu.edu/beethovenjournal/vol35/iss1/1/ I am publishing all of the exposition sketches (and my reconstructions thereof) in my dissertation, which should be available in August/September. Thanks for watching!
@lvbeethovenpuntoit
2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations for this truly meritorious and interesting work! Research needs jobs like this.
@ThomasPosen
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You can find the published, peer-reviewed article version of this presentation here: scholarworks.sjsu.edu/beethovenjournal/vol35/iss1/1/. Also, I submitted my dissertation, which covers all of the Eroica exposition sketches and his compositional process more generally. My dissertation should be available for download sometime in September, 2022. I would love to do more research like this, including making informative videos such as this one. I am currently looking for research positions that are interested in supporting further this type of work. Thank you for watching!
@johnbeuck
2 жыл бұрын
great video!! was very informative and went above my musical knowledge in some points but that goes to show how much more there is to learn
@ThomasPosen
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, John! I'm glad you found it informative. You may be interested in the textbook, "Analyzing Classical Form: An Approach for the Classroom" by William Caplin (2013). It is very well written and covers all of the form-functional terminology I use throughout the video. It's also a great textbook for composers, performers, and people interested in the classical style more generally.
@pepperco100
3 жыл бұрын
Your analysis is most informative! Thank you for posting. In my opinion, every young conductor should study Liszt's transcription before performing this work.
@ThomasPosen
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’m glad you found it informative. Ferdinand Ries is reported to have heard Beethoven play the Eroica shortly after he finished it at the piano. It would have been wonderful to hear his piano rendition. Studying piano reductions seems like a good idea for conductors, I agree.
@pepperco100
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThomasPosen I wish you would break down Haydn's Seven Last Word of Christ. The difficulty of writing 7 sequential riveting slow movements was a challenge never before attempted, I think. Then, the final movement Il terremoto is astoundingly ahead of its time. Haydn wrote a marvelous piano reduction of this work. He himself considered it his best work. Thank you.
@ThomasPosen
3 жыл бұрын
@@pepperco100 Sounds like an interesting project. I'd have to look into the existing scholarship, I'm sure there has been something good written about it!
@pepperco100
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThomasPosen Thanks! No doubt you're already overly busy. I'm awed how Haydn continued to develop as a composer.
@mahdianani186
Жыл бұрын
Is your dissertation published? I would very much love to read it. Wonderful video!
@ThomasPosen
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! It’s not up on the McGill servers yet, but it’s done and defended so I’ll happily send it with a link. If you could, fill out the contact form on my website www.thomasposen.com and I’ll send it over in the next day or two! Thanks for your nice comment!
@mahdianani186
Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasPosen Done. Thank you!
@johnryskamp2943
Жыл бұрын
Why did Beethoven always tame his pieces in the final version? There's always too much "audience pleasing" and not enough faithfulness to his own weirdness.
@ThomasPosen
Жыл бұрын
Interesting idea! I’m not sure I agree with you with regards to the Eroica symphony. Some of the changes he makes to the exposition account for ideas he wanted to bring into the recapitulation. It’s true that he sometimes tames ideas, but he often retries those ideas in later pieces to great effect. I also agree that he cares about audiences. But I find this to be a wonderful quality!
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