So what modern bands do you believe embody the spirit of gothic rock? Trash Theory playlists - Spotify: tinyurl.com/yxp32pjf Deezer: tinyurl.com/y2mdp8h2 Also if you want to help out, here's my patreon link: patreon.com/trashtheory
@Mildon44
4 жыл бұрын
one of the best modern goth bands I've seen are "the TRAITRS" they just have a beautiful feel to their songs
@Xskramz_archivistX
4 жыл бұрын
can u do how emo became emo
@robertpetre9378
4 жыл бұрын
Trim tribes , she passed away , Lebanon’s Hanover, whispers in the shadows to name a thew.
@robertpetre9378
4 жыл бұрын
emmanuel de la cruz yes they are defiantly goth adjacent like industrial music
@vallisdaemonumofficial
4 жыл бұрын
🤔 DEFINITELY NOT SOUNDCLOUD RAPPERS, THEY WOULDN'T BE DYING IF THEY WERE GOTH BECAUSE GOTH IS DEAD. UNDEAD. UNDEAD.
@BookOfFaustus
4 жыл бұрын
I love Bela Lugosi's Dead because I can start the song, do the dishes, walk the dog, and pick out an outfit before the song even starts
@Dr.Thirteen
4 жыл бұрын
😂
@renendell
4 жыл бұрын
hahaha
@siren71
4 жыл бұрын
Lol yes!
@letztekrankheit
4 жыл бұрын
What about listening to the song? Pink Floyd gets up to 23 minutes. It's still music worth listening to
@inthefade
4 жыл бұрын
I love Bela Lugosi's Dad.
@betttrbeth
Жыл бұрын
Oddly, being Goth in the late 80s and obsessing over death and listening to Bauhaus & Joy Division and The Cure was a fun time in my life.
@matham625
Жыл бұрын
check this out: Harry Toledo - Knots from Max's Kansas city.. best proto goth song ever: kzitem.info/news/bejne/u46OtH2PoYF6nJg .........................& ps not enough of the dammned here
@deborahbergman3566
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't take Alice Cooper or Nico or even the Doors for being the predecessors of Goth...but ok :/
@melissasanford2051
Жыл бұрын
True dat!
@teledoink
Жыл бұрын
Me too! I miss smoking clove cigarettes and sitting around waiting for the concert venue to let us in, while talking about how misunderstood we all were. It was nice to feel like I finally had a community of other kids who knew how I felt
@pfrstreetgang7511
Жыл бұрын
Thank God I'm not the only person who experienced that.
@takoinche
3 жыл бұрын
I love how every "how [genre] became [genre]" mentions The Velvte Underground
@postpunk6947
3 жыл бұрын
Because velvets are genius band, velvets and beatles, the most influential bands ever
@mgm8255
3 жыл бұрын
@@postpunk6947 there will not be any artists that will influence as much as they did, without them nothing would be the same
@postpunk6947
3 жыл бұрын
@@mgm8255 totally right
@elainebelzDetroit
3 жыл бұрын
And yet not enough mention of John Cale.
@israelmaldonado2928
3 жыл бұрын
@@elainebelzDetroit what are you talking about, they mention him plenty
@mindyourownbusiness5515
4 жыл бұрын
I clicked the video because I'm an old goth and am stoned and just killing time, not expecting it to be any more than a bit of nostalgia connected by some mindless verbiage, but it was surprisingly well informed and written by someone who clearly 'gets' goth music. If this was the product of research from someone who didn't live through it first hand, then bloody well done!
@joeyroy7864
4 жыл бұрын
Hell Yeah!
@Saffron-sugar
4 жыл бұрын
Same story here. Pleasant surprise
@ngairehodge8566
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@cthulhu6697
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. This guy clearly did his homework. I'm an old goth myself and, like Mindyour Ownbusiness, I'm killing time while high ( oxycodone and xanax ) and thought I would have some laughs at the inaccuracies of a "made for trendy" documentary for wannabe's. I'm pleasantly surprised. This is a well done piece of video about the stuff that influenced goth. I still think Johnny Cash was the first goth; he dressed in black, his songs were depressive and gloomy, and so on. Very well done
@xadamxcabalx
4 жыл бұрын
This guy always does his homework on his videos. Check out his other work.
@geekthegirl6961
4 жыл бұрын
Iron Butterfly's In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida began in 1968, and only recently finished this past August.
@bcccl569
4 жыл бұрын
underrated comment
@sparksmcgee6641
4 жыл бұрын
Once had an old guy working with me at a pizza joint look a me and say "Its hard to whistle in a gadda da vida while you work"
@nekkidpossum4397
4 жыл бұрын
:D
@SavoxYt
4 жыл бұрын
That song sounds like rock and/or roll...
@andchat6241
4 жыл бұрын
In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida is used brilliantly in the film 'Manhunter ' ........( & the simpsons) rock & / or roll indeed it is..
@theplaguepadart3743
2 жыл бұрын
The special thing about goth is its such an umbrella. There so many genres under the goth umbrella that so many people can come together. From a more harsh, lyrical chaotic music, to slower, distorted, and romance ish. There are so many of us that we can meet many other goths and learn new things. It's beautiful
@davetheimpaler204
Жыл бұрын
I like the more open-minded approach to the genre. Being too much of a purist is kind of a turn-off for me because I always saw the pushback against bands that became popular, like Marilyn Manson, from the gothic community to just be a form of petty gatekeeping and not wanting to share the culture with others. Several songs on Manson's first album alone certainly qualify as goth music, for example, and many other bands that were rejected by purists have several goth songs as well or a very clear gothic influence.
@williamzebub3252
Жыл бұрын
@@davetheimpaler204 Yeah, this is way too gatekeepy for my liking. All credit to the originators, but Goth has progressed far beyond the trad goth style of music. There's a wide variety of music out there that that's been released since 1990 that can be legit classified as goth.
@theplaguepadart3743
Жыл бұрын
@@sleep4579 hit me with em! I'll listen to anything and give it a chance.
@mleszzor6866
Жыл бұрын
@@sleep4579 I'm intrigued, may you please tell me about this?
@KimiChanJapan
Жыл бұрын
"goth rappers" aren't goth. that Is rappers who dress goth.
@MaxRamos8
Жыл бұрын
I think you nailed it, dark romanticism, literally. That era of history (late 1700s-Mid 1800s) brought us Funeral marches, dramatic operas, Edgar Allen Poe, and some fantastic music.
@OpeningsOpenings
10 ай бұрын
Not to mention the music of the dark and Middle Ages Stuff like this… Worldes Blis kzitem.info/news/bejne/rGuZzXqdkYt0m4osi=XpPdOz5lOZ_NsgkN And another version of it at 3:10 kzitem.info/news/bejne/q3mLta1ugKaFjIIsi=HPZuJjEbJycRfYxj Or starting at 4:08 - this… kzitem.info/news/bejne/k3iG2aCuqpmcfqQsi=9zWugj6CZ0tAXKT6
open.spotify.com/playlist/6obH9DFpVEXgHbAteH7NR7?si=8hRNzZckSUOGldA_tj2zKg The playlist by @flo is great but it's a list of the whole channel, not this video in particular. I've made one with only the bands in the video plus others that I consider to fall in the same proto-goth style. Enjoy.
@stickywickedy
4 жыл бұрын
@@TassosFragou Thanks, much appreciated
@keiththorpe9571
4 жыл бұрын
In Nico, you can most definitely hear every Siouxsie and the Banshees song ever recorded. Good to see you giving Nico some love.
@ECCENTRICERIC69
4 жыл бұрын
No, you can't! You obviously haven't heard a lot of Siouxsies stuff!
@s3lfFish
3 жыл бұрын
totally, I actually never heard her solo work, I was choked, like "hey its siouxie, but 20 years earlier", siouxie still rock though ;) but so does Nico
@P-Bass_Pete
3 жыл бұрын
I definately hear early Siouxsie songs such as Playground Twist, Staircase mystery, Spellbound, etc.
@kalevala29
3 жыл бұрын
Siouxsie was definitely a fan, in fact she brought Nico on tour, but it became a disaster because of the neo Nazis that would show up at the Banshees' early gigs and the other fans booed her because they didn't know who she was, but Siouxsie was not a copycat. The Banshees were far more diverse.
@senglomein5766
3 жыл бұрын
Nico has a particular sound; which some like and others dont, but still there's no denying that, in respect to the actual craft of _singing,_ she was awful.
@cnoeroman
4 жыл бұрын
I would also add Leonard Cohen as an important influence, especially on a lyrical level. Considering that one of the most important Goth Rock bands -The Sisters Of Mercy - took their name from one of Cohen's songs, besides, relevant people for the scene such as Nick Cave calls Cohen as a major influence on his writing style. In the album Songs of Love and Hate, the gloomy and romantic style that later would permeate the entire gothic scene, is already conteined
@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747
3 жыл бұрын
His songs are very depressing and sad, but with a lyrical richness that all those kids in dracula make up could only dream of.
@hollowone777
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, I remember when I was first discovering the Bauhaus and Joy Division, I also found Leonard Cohen and I was utterly bewildered why other goths didn't listen to him. I'm still bewildered. Ugh, no one listens to me anyway and I'm too old to yell at kids who only give a fuck about what they look like.
@jamesmoore2223
3 жыл бұрын
Avalanche
@riphopfer5816
3 жыл бұрын
I completely concur.
@kostajovanovic3711
3 жыл бұрын
@Aaron Kroll that was indeed a bate
@soaribb32
4 жыл бұрын
Suicide was so fucking ahead of its time. Those synths sound so fresh.
@nicholasromig5506
4 жыл бұрын
it's funny, on the first album it's just an organ. the synths came later.
@LividImp
4 жыл бұрын
Still no band quite like them. Maybe Tuxedomoon, or The Screamers are a bit like them, but still very unique.
@user-wl2xl5hm7k
4 жыл бұрын
Nicholas Romig A main thing is the drum machine on that first album
@nicholasromig5506
4 жыл бұрын
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k it's SOOO primitive, I love it. I just got a nice red vinyl release of the S/T suicide album, it holds up so well
@HectorSpector
4 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasromig5506 they used effect pedals(electro harmonix) on the organ. So it sounds a little bit more like a synth.
@Lycurgus1982
4 жыл бұрын
I know this is fairly obvious, and they were essentially a 90's metal band, but i think Type o Negative really captured the gothic vibe in a way that no one has before or have since. To be honest, they weren't the most musical band, but their approach aesthetically is remarkable. A deep voice with a slow pace, heavy distortion and a sprinkle of piano. They really take me there.
@skwaab
3 жыл бұрын
Peter Steele was the living embodiment of the whole thing. 6ft 7in of crooning vampire.
@NatteRoll
3 жыл бұрын
True, AKA Wolf Moon, Suspended in Dusk Vibe, Haunted, Anesthesia...
@golgariblightwarlock
3 жыл бұрын
I can see why you'd think that. But type o negative are doom metal, not goth. Goth and metal are two different things, influences and imagery aside. They are an epic band though with many tongue in cheek nods towards the actual goth subculture, despite them being metal.
@staceysaurusrex2630
3 жыл бұрын
@@golgariblightwarlock I've typically seen Type O, the Peaceville three, etc. referred to as "gothic metal". These bands have the same influences as goth, but they were also directly influenced by goth itself, which had peaked just a few years before they were active. The fashion most (mainstream) people think of as goth nowadays is also the 90's/00's "mall goth" evolution of the style that's more associated with goth metal than the original batcave music. So imo, it's not incorrect to refer to Type O Negative as "goth" - I see both goth metal and traditional goth as distinct "species" within the "genus" of goth.
@golgariblightwarlock
3 жыл бұрын
@@staceysaurusrex2630 and therein lies the issue, because gothic metal does take inspiration from traditional goth. But being inspired by something, doesn't make you a part of it. While I disagree with your conclusion I appreciate the well thought comment and the basis of your opinion. The mall goth thing was purely a creation of the media who failed to understand the actual goth subculture in the late 90's and started associating bands based purely on aesthetics rather than having anything musically in common, same with bands like nine inch nails, again, not goth but the media said otherwise. Obviously the younger generation then picked up on that and thus the whole issue got perpetuated. I'm a fan of both traditional goth and of metal, but the latter is not part of the former. They are two distinct subcultures. So while your summation that refering to type o negative as 'gothic metal' is correct. They aren't 'goth' in terms of the subculture, that refers to the post punk/positive punk movement that started in the late 70's early 80's, as you say, the batcave style, which still exists today. Hence my comment on there being a distinct difference culturally. Gothic metal is part of the metal subculture, not the goth subculture. As those are two very different things. ☺️ (Edit: spelling corrections)
@AutPen38
Жыл бұрын
Nico's voice is my all-time favourite, but I'd never heard that description before "like a cello getting out of bed in the morning". Brilliant!
@Bexks
10 ай бұрын
I can sing just like her 😊
@ryans7146
4 жыл бұрын
Seeing the sisters of Mercy in concert when I was 15 years old was one of my fondest memories, then when I turned 18 Daniel Ash from the Bauhuas was spinning the dungeon at The club at Firestone when Dj keoki was headlining, and Daniel was the nicest guy, he let me come hang out on stage with him it was the best birthday ever.
@healinggrounds19
4 жыл бұрын
That would be a damn good birthday!!
@roecocoa
4 жыл бұрын
In between David Bowie and Suicide, I got an ad for a doc about Blind Melon. The seconds before I realized that it *was* an ad, and that "No Rain" was *not* being presented as a watershed moment in the history of goth music, shook me to my core.
@keirfarnum6811
3 жыл бұрын
I hate that when an ad pops up and you don’t realize it’s an ad because it’s remotely related to the subject of the video; and you don’t realize it’s not part of the video for a few moments, and you’re like, “WTF?!” And THEN you realize it’s an ad.
@angieormiston8028
4 ай бұрын
Blind melon is great. Sucks people don’t know it’s not just “the bee 🐝 song”.
@julianhermanubis6800
2 жыл бұрын
Nina Hagen and Lene Lovich both come a few years before goth rock coalesced and have to be considered as influences. Also, I'd like to have seen a bit about European goth bands, like Xmal Deutschland and Clan of Xymox.
@gabrielhaas
Жыл бұрын
X-Mal was one of my favs!
@alexengland-shinemercy
Жыл бұрын
Good comment. No spite, just relevant points to add to the conversation.
@cchoi108
12 күн бұрын
Another good call out. He should update this video with these call outs
@LycanWitch
4 жыл бұрын
This video is so sad on KZitem.. can tell it wants to so desperately want to play longer samples of each song but damn KZitem's strict demonetization garbage.. Seriously need to upload this video elsewhere where it can have room to breathe and share longer samples.
@timstich1052
4 жыл бұрын
You can find a lot of the songs in their full versions.
@LycanWitch
4 жыл бұрын
@@timstich1052 no shit Sherlock.
@psychoPilgrim36
4 жыл бұрын
Raven they dont really need to show longer samples. If you wanna hear more of the songs then go listen to them
@TracyD2
4 жыл бұрын
I hear what you are saying.
@MrAgmoore
4 жыл бұрын
Painful to watch tbh.
@tearsforthedying
4 жыл бұрын
Only 15 minutes in and they are hitting all the right notes. Happy to hear proto gothic bands/artists like Screamin' Jay, Nico, Velvets, Doors and others paid their respects.
@1m2a3t4t5
4 жыл бұрын
Tears for the Dying About damn time someone credited Jim Morrison for the fact that nearly every band in the 80s crooned their music.
@billyboy6028
4 жыл бұрын
@@1m2a3t4t5 The Doors made a huge impact in the 80's, it was like 67' all over again. Oops showing my age again.
@napalmstriker5173
4 жыл бұрын
They forgot about Deathrock and Rozz William's Christian Death influence on goth music!! What a shame
@pheresy1367
4 жыл бұрын
@@billyboy6028 Show that age!!! Loud and proud... heh heh
@sr0917
4 жыл бұрын
@@napalmstriker5173 Yes. I was waiting for at least one Christian Death lineup. Valor was pretty dark (Catastrophe Ballet). Visage's Fade to Grey had a little darkness to it as well although they leaned more synth.
@zetovidillard
Жыл бұрын
As a gen Z goth i thought I knew how goth became its own genre but I've learned SO MUCH from this video. This solidifies my desire to finish college with a music degree because the history of music and how genres are formed is so complex and interesting. There are so many factors! I would love to research modern music!
@Mangosta12jr
Жыл бұрын
Go ahead and study musicology, trust me, you'll learn so much not only about modern and pop music but about the roots of all music and you will see and appreciate the similarities ! I'm in my last year of my musicology degree < 3
@youtubehatesfreespeech744
Жыл бұрын
Sorry but there's no such thing as gen Z Goth. Just poser's. Just so you know, pop band's like my chemical romance, and AFI, are absolutely not Goth. Rarely are true goth band's popular or well known. That was part of the appeal, because it was a sub genre of a few people. The moment it went mainstream, Goth died. It died before you were even born. But if you are really into the culture and scene, look into band's like Selofan, She Past Away, Boy Harsher, and Tearful Moon for new Goth. The best Goth music is coming from Greece and Turkey these day's. American music blow's major ass right now. It's all pop and rap garbage, and the way people act reflects that... Best luck in your gothic journey.
@akmediascope
Жыл бұрын
I too learned a lot! I am 67
@akmediascope
Жыл бұрын
Yes! College is wonderful. I started theatre training at 41 and it has been the catalyst of my life
@ericsilberstein667
Жыл бұрын
It’s a subgenre of Alternative.
@greenaum
Жыл бұрын
Literally a history of every musician who ever wore eyeliner. Fantastic.
@Hunk3yMunk3y
4 жыл бұрын
You mention how the cure transitioned to goth on "pornography". I would however argue that the full transition began on their album "Faith", with its melancholic lyrics, haunting spacey synth, and bare bones instrumentation. Also to address the 17 seconds comments, It has some gothic undertones, but in general mostly has a post punk sound IMO. (I love all cure albums (Gothic or not), except Wild Mood Swings)
@ClockwiseCat
4 жыл бұрын
And then they quickly transitioned OUT of goth with psychedelic The Top, and never looked back.
@JCLauzontv
3 жыл бұрын
The Cure had never really pigeon-holed themselves into any particular genre. Genres and sub genres came about much later as labels tried to cash in whatever was hot. The Cure experimented with different genres, their “ studio sound” is when I lost touch with them... They became very radio friendly...
@ClockwiseCat
3 жыл бұрын
@@JCLauzontv But that is also pigeonholing them, because in reality while they have made some radio-friendly songs, among those songs on the albums are many non-radio friendly songs, and they have kept reinventing themselves. You really cannot say that many songs on, say, Disintegration are that radio-friendly. They had four huge singles from it, but the rest - the bulk of the album, are NOT radio-friendly. That's the beauty of the Cure, is that they do pop, but they also do a ton of non-pop, and even the pop they create is created on their own terms, and not fitting into tidy definitions of what pop should be. A song like Pictures of You with its extended intro and icily melancholic undertones is as unorthodox a pop song as it can be, and yet it was hugely successful. Friday I'm in Love is probably their most blatant pop song, but on Wish, the album it appears on, there are tons of songs that defy the pop norm. I really don't think you are giving enough credit to the Cure - they are the least pigeonhole-friendly group around, to this day. They made a punishingly bleak album like Pornography, then turned around a made an off-kilter EP (Japanese Whispers), then dark psych-pop The Top, and on and on...and started out very minimalistic, practically inventing post-punk...I mean, The Cure are the most inventive popular band in the world!
@JCLauzontv
3 жыл бұрын
@@ClockwiseCat While you’ve outlined some great points, I couldn’t help but realize that my falling out of love with The Cure had more to do with my transition from teenage boy to a young man. No longer was I enthralled by legendary bassist Simon Gallup’s baselines. The brooding sounds of early-Cure was what I needed. I became jaded, darker…. they got brighter and poppier…. What had happened to the young boys from that part of Britain who, earlier in their careers, played those haunting melodies? I missed those guys...
@ClockwiseCat
3 жыл бұрын
@@JCLauzontv Did you not listen to anything past Faith? They have made a TON of dark music. Hello - Bloodflowers? That was 2000. And don't let the sheen of their higher selling albums like Head on the Door, Kiss Me, or Wish fool you - there is plenty of haunting darkness to be found on those albums. That said, nothing really can top Faith... possibly the greatest album in all of history.
@briannae.martin9959
2 жыл бұрын
I loved watching the transition. It makes me happy to see the history of goth and how it came to be. I once went through my transition too from being “normal” confused and not knowing what I was who I was to dwelling further and further into the culture of goth and I will never go back. I always had an eye for the odd and irregular things, for darker and obscure. I felt misunderstood for many years and now I am happier than ever knowing I found what makes me feel as if I am home no matter where I go. 🖤Thank you for this video!
@ZeetZoot
4 жыл бұрын
I love these ‘before (blank)’ videos
@ZeetZoot
4 жыл бұрын
Also first I guess
@phant0mdummy
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine how much longer and more informative this video would be if this dude could play, literally, more than 3 second clips of each song... because of CORPORATE KZitem.... youtube must be goth, because it's obsessed with its own deaths - both spiritually and physically.
@RioRav
3 жыл бұрын
true, but its also not bad to just make a playlist and go listen to the full songs in your own time
@danielfreeman8725
4 жыл бұрын
damn, you just consistently post videos i'm not only interested in, but tell a great story and are well put together. Even when i know a lot about the subject, i still find these fantastic, and there are still some things to be learned.
@stevendphoto
3 жыл бұрын
I'm fine with JD and Bauhaus being credited as being the first Goth band pioneers, but have always loved THE END by the Doors and never knew why....
@AC-hj9tv
Жыл бұрын
Can hear some of the Doors in Echo and the Bunnymen. Isn't that wild?
@chris55top
Жыл бұрын
Ian from Echo and the Bunnymen is obsessed with the Doors @@AC-hj9tv
@mistersurrealist
4 жыл бұрын
Nico was my guide through my teens and early twenties. Her albums are a religious experience.
@mayari6071
2 жыл бұрын
she was also racist…
@stephenpmurphy591
2 жыл бұрын
@@mayari6071 I'm curious please elaborate on her racism & how I can validate your claims. Thank you.
@frankfacts6207
2 жыл бұрын
@@mayari6071 no she wasn't
@demonheadxx4410
Жыл бұрын
Elaborate?
@elliottsmithlover199
Жыл бұрын
@@stephenpmurphy591 she hit a black women in the face with a beer bottle which blinded the woman, and also said “i hate [n words]”
@bwenjones670
4 жыл бұрын
When I see a title such as this with a photo of Nico, I think these people know their stuff. Great job. R.I.P. Nico Päffgen x
@20thcenturyfoxyoutube
4 жыл бұрын
"he brought in ribs and chicken and got everyone drunk... and we came out with this weird version. i dont even remember making the record." love that. "the end" always makes me long for another mission. oh yes, that "suicide (band) - frankie teardrop" is horrifying. it's sort of true. i listened to it once and couldn't listen to it again.
@sugaryxegnirys
2 жыл бұрын
My teenage angst lead me into Japanese rock, which I found so fascinating. It's only now in my 30s I see the influences of my favorite 80s, 90s, and 00s j-rock bands.
@juliusseizure324
2 жыл бұрын
Check out (if you already haven’t): Death Side Paintbox G.I.S.M. Forward
@cocoabuttaflyy
6 ай бұрын
Same here back in 2003
@pryingeyes1551
4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of the Cure and Siouxsie and the Banshees' connection, I'd like to mention the project The Glove, between Robert Smith and Steven Severin of Siouxsie.
@imperatorfuriosa7061
4 жыл бұрын
Ah! Yes! The "Fat Bob" days!
@sideswipe1261
3 жыл бұрын
I first heard the Glove album in 1993 as a high school freshman, courtesy of a new friend in a new, surreal school, and fell in love with it! My favorite track is the entrancing “Orgy”, but really every track is phenomenal! Thanks for mentioning them! As a one-off side project recorded by 2 drugged-out crazies watching Blue movies in the dead of night, it’s so easy to miss if you don’t know to look for it! And Smith & Sebring made such a killer super-duo! “Mr. Alphabet Says” is another utterly unique song that only could have been born by those two, in those circumstances and at that specific time. Incredible! Cheers!
@sylph8005
3 жыл бұрын
I'll take it one step further: Smith was in the Banshees for a time.
@Mdowdle1969
3 жыл бұрын
Funeral party!! My favourite on that album
@eneswk
4 жыл бұрын
I like how you're not afraid to mention bands (MCR, AFI, any other "modern" bands) when is needed, even tho we all know some people will cry about it. You know your shit. I love this channel.
@insomniacbritgaming1632
2 жыл бұрын
If you listen to modern Goth, AFI, MCR and others don't even come close to Goth... oh they're Emo by the way lol
@eneswk
2 жыл бұрын
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 I don’t think those bands are goth, but I don’t think they’re emo either, that’s why I liked that he mentioned them, and I haven’t watched this in a while but I think I remember he named them more in reference to their “aesthetic”, you can see some goth influence in that, like they had their own take on it. So, as I said, I liked that he could see that, in no way those band were some kind of goth renaissance or anything like that.
@the_nautillus9176
2 жыл бұрын
The so called "old rockers" are a bunch of f*cking p*ssies (had to censor it there as KZitem is censoring freedom of speech. Shame on them.)
@screwtapee
2 жыл бұрын
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 if you think MCR are emo you're wrong. They're more goth than emo
@insomniacbritgaming1632
2 жыл бұрын
@@screwtapee not even close to Goth 😂🤣 Billie Eilish is closer to Goth than MCR lol you couldn't name 5 Goth bands if you tried MCR are Emo lol
@psychoshamrock
4 жыл бұрын
Clan of Xymox needs a mention. Other than that, thank you for Nico. No one mentions her, ever. Good job.
@blubfishuwaaa
2 жыл бұрын
clan of xymox came after goth, more specifically darkwave
@coldkissofsteel
6 ай бұрын
@@blubfishuwaaa I'd still consider darkwave, as part of the goth genre. And CoX started in 1981 so they were smack dab in the middle of the rise of goth. If Suicide is going to be thrown into the goth soup so should Clan of Xymox.
@sawtoothmetal
Жыл бұрын
The distinction you drew between "people who wear black" and make music that people call goth, and what the elements of actual "goth" sound is was really accurate, and drew me in. You really get what makes goth music goth. And it's true, we did not allow people to call us goth back when; that was considered really uncouth. I've accepted the label now, and I'm so grateful to be a part of that world for all these years: 3 decades. The musical roots sounded really accurate to me, however, I would note that there were many influences outside of the musical sphere which had a big impact, namely, literature and cinema and let's face it, for many of us, Halloween. I would also note that Screamin' Jay Hawkins was wild and amazing, and I certainly listened to him long ago, however, his theatrical nod to death was not original to him. Being from the South and having spent time in New Orleans, he would have been exposed to Mardi Gras, which carries on a long tradition of death references and dark humor, which can be traced to Afro-Brazilian carnival and carnival celebrations of the Caribbean Islands, and before that, the expressive celebrations of the African diaspora, brought over from West Africa. At any rate, thanks for documenting this time in music, you do seem to get it. I'm going to watch more of your videos. I love being goth and appreciate it more as I get older, even as I have expanded my interests in music widely. Take care!
@jmckenzie962
4 жыл бұрын
"A love song to an inflatable doll" Shit, Roxy Music were really ahead of their time there but in like the worst possible way
@robinchesterfield42
3 жыл бұрын
There's also "Glendora" by Perry Como (yes, really) kzitem.info/news/bejne/04KFq5qemHd-qm0&ab_channel=NANCYFLORESSANTOS which doesn't SOUND goth at all, but it _does_ wax romantically obsessed with someone who turns out to be a shop-front mannequin. "I wanna see more of you" is kind of a spicy lyric for 1956, gotta say.
@steventucker8444
2 жыл бұрын
Dude, listen to the whole album. Or at least what was the A side of the LP back when...It's called "For Your Pleasure." Don't listen one song at a time - do the whole A side, consider it like a classical symphony in structure. Don't know your age, but LPs, when done right, were designed to move through the entire side of the album, pulling you along. This one is genius. In Every Dream Home A Heartache is penultimate on the A side. It is F'ing amazing
@shoepixie
2 жыл бұрын
@@steventucker8444 For Your Pleasure is a listening experience like nothing else. Nothing has ever quite captured the idea of decadence so well musically, I think. I love it.
@k1ttyF158er
Жыл бұрын
Not sure what you mean by "worst possible way". . . They certainly found a sound of their own. But they weren't alone for the time. In fact, Ferry auditioned to sing for King Crimson, and though they didn't want him for their band, they helped Roxy get a record deal later down the line..... Basically, there were a LOT of bands experimenting with different styles of music & fashion at the time. Crimson, Roxy, Soft Machine, Floyd, Bowie were all experimenting to jam lots of sounds & music styles together. All those bands would pull in Rock music, Garage rock, Jazz and even Classical into their music. They all found their niche by trying to be original in some way. (Unlike EVERY band today it seems).... So bands like Bauhaus, Joy Division, Cure, Throbbing Gristle etc.. were all just experimenting. - Bauhaus has just as much Jazz & Raggae in their music as it has poetry and sound effects...Music back then was one big soup bowl. Everything crossed over and blended and new near stuff happened all the time. Labels like Goth, Rock, Jazz, Experimental were kinda Bullsh1t so that reviwers and promoters could try to make money off them. No band I've ever been in has only played ONE style of music. Check out Soft Machine. 1971 ... Punk was about to happen. Floyd, Crimson, Yes, Genesis were all kicking about.. Roxy is sorta a blend of those big influences. Soft Machine: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lYl82pOjn6V2Zqw
@davidbanan.
Жыл бұрын
@@k1ttyF158er I'm like 99% sure hes refering to The Lyric
@cbmx1x1
3 жыл бұрын
It’s Halloween night as I write this. A full moon as well. Time for the Frankie Teardrop Challenge! The rules are simple: go outside in the dark, walk around listening to Frankie Teardrop at max volume on your headphones, and see how long you can take it.
@xanderroberts2815
3 жыл бұрын
I couldn’t do it sitting in my living room
@sgemicha1899
Жыл бұрын
Respect! I was a club DJ and concert promoter in the alternative scene (PostPunk, Psychedelic, GothicRock, NewWave and SynthPop, etc.) in the 80s to mid 90s. I discovered your channel more by accident. Your videos are very solid and well researched (also the SynthPop, Psychedelic/Metal, Nu-Metal videos are very informative). I knew every artist and title in this video here, it was a true trip into my past, pure nostalgia. . . . Just one exception: The relevance of "Screamin Jay Hawkins" to later PostPunk and Gothic is a fact that I was not aware of. But you're right. It testifies your broad understanding, and how well you're able to link the different things into a well-connected rock-music map relating to each other. Always interesting, and you will learn something new, even if you think you know already. Maybe, you might have time to make a second part covering the era from the mid 80s to the late 90s and beyond (US, UK, Europe). Whatever name you give it - "2nd Wave" of Gothic / NeoFolk / DarkWave / ElectroCore / IndustrialMetal? It was a very innovative and productive decade with well-established but also new bands with their roots/influences in the early punk, gothic, industrial or electronic genre. To name a few: Current 93, Sixth Comm/Death in June, Sol Invictus, Coil, Dead Can Dance, Christian Death/Mephisto Walz, Alien Sex Fiend, Project Pitchfork, Das Ich, Deine Lakaien, Anne Clark, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Neubauten/Nick Cave, X Mal Deutschland, Rammstein, The Cult, Creaming Jesus, Fear Factory, Fields of the Nephilim, The Mission, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, Chameleons, Secret Discovery, Test Department, Legendary Pink Dots, Type O Negative, 69 Eyes, London After Midnight, Theatre Of Hate, March Violets, New Model Army, Phillip Boa & The Voodooclub, and many others
@minimansonstar
Жыл бұрын
That's HOT. 💋
@cchoi108
12 күн бұрын
Omg! Your band list is bringing so many memories
@kevinp1046
4 жыл бұрын
It appears a lot of early "goth" was inspired by individual songs rather than entire records, or a particular artist's complete body of work. Interesting.
@IIIDemon
4 жыл бұрын
i think this video is focusing on particular songs that really highlight the evolution of the genre, but he does mention things like the cure getting more goth after a few albums. the very earliest examples of any artistic movement are always traceable to single things.
@joeyroy7864
4 жыл бұрын
The doors and screamin jay havvkins entire vvorks had influence. not to mention alice cooper....
@miguelmartinespejoramirez3311
4 жыл бұрын
Indeed they were mostly singles!!!! It was the beginning with The Doors and the other groups so to be successful to release a complete album based on this “new “ sound couldn’t have been a good idea..... you have to sow the seed to have the tree...
@wp6007
4 жыл бұрын
Most older artist weren't actually as great as they seem, but would have a few good songs that would chart and due to lack of other artist of note at the time, will as a result get a much bigger picture in music history analysis than say a more consistent band that came out years later.
@kicknchickn9794
4 жыл бұрын
Hearing The Doors - The End for the first time, helped me have a psychedelic experience with the help of reefer, no acid.. but the song ultimately enhanced my high and it tripped me out. I remember asking my brother if he had laced the weed. That night i knew Jim Morrison was more than an artist
@rachealmurphy6715
3 жыл бұрын
That album is amazing. I smile a joint and put on my ear phones and I'm taken to another place
@single-shot-video
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for a great video. Brought back great memories of when I used to sneak my Video gear into venues and record bands in the late '70s and early 80's including bands like Boys Next Door/Birthday Party, the Cramps, Bauhaus, Mission, the Sisters, Southern Death Cult, Gun Club, Bunneymen, Cure, early New Order etc. Couldn't get away with it nowadays. It was a great era that definitely influenced my music taste for the remainder of my life. Such a privilege to have seen these bands.
@toofattoskate1
4 жыл бұрын
For me the first band to crystallize the widely accepted modern 'goth sound / look' was Bauhaus. Even though the term did not exist then
@lehliladevandria5712
4 жыл бұрын
One common theme I noticed with SATB and Bauhaus is the influence of middle eastern classical music.
@GaylordBonnafous
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of these bands, like the Banshees, the Cure or the Mission used a lot Eastern or Spanish scales instead of the usual blues scales, just like some 60's psychedelic or surf rock songs (for example "White Rabbit").
@saintnicole3209
4 жыл бұрын
It’s also really prevalent in Peter Murphey’s solo work. Makes sense since his wife is the choreographer of the Turkish national dance troupe
@robertdraper5782
4 жыл бұрын
@@GaylordBonnafous You missed The Sisters of Mercy
@GaylordBonnafous
4 жыл бұрын
@@robertdraper5782 Nope, I didn't.
@andrewstewart1464
4 жыл бұрын
The dive on this genre's history was so deep, you awoke Cthulu!
@altos.sentimientos7374
2 жыл бұрын
this was published on my birthday. I´ve always considered myself to be a goth person but i havent been able to dress like other goth people and thus i feel left aside. I love all types of gothic genres, be it music, literature, art, you name it. I guess i will always feel goth inside, it resonates with my inner soul, my core. I hope one day i can get the clothings, the makeup skills and present myself to the public like what i truly am. This being published in my birthday made me think of my identity. I hope i get to know myself better as time goes on...
@xvbiffbangpow8579
2 жыл бұрын
dude goth was old by the 80´s
@hira2357
Жыл бұрын
so what@@xvbiffbangpow8579
@MickPsyphon
4 жыл бұрын
As someone who has followed goth bands, since the 1970's (before the term 'goth rock' came to be), I genuinely appreciate what this video brings to the table. So many memories were stirred; and some holes were plugged from just prior to my earliest interest in music. Very well done! 😋👍
@DustinHawke
2 жыл бұрын
Beethoven started it all.
@jameydunne3920
3 ай бұрын
Or maybe Shakespeare. Because some people think that western civilization wouldn't exist otherwise.
@karinannamaria2514
4 жыл бұрын
Television's Marquee moon is a huge influence. They were not flamboyant but musically very very important for post punk
@blondejon1
4 жыл бұрын
you forgot the influence of Screaming Lord Sutch and the Savages, long before he founded the monster raving loony party he was singing songs about jack the ripper (1963) and draculas daughter (1962), check them out, they are really rather good horror blues.
@justagirl12345
3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!! I was wondering if I would see anyone mention Lord Sutch. He is Soo cool 😌.
@BarkertheScrunkly
4 жыл бұрын
I'd argue that Siouxsie & the Banshees started going goth as early as "Join Hands" (probably the band's most unfairly underrated album). "Placebo Effect" is downright terrifying to listen too. Joy Division's impact can't be understated either. It's pretty obvious who Andrew Eldritch got his vocal style from. Hell, early on, the Sisters of Mercy and Bauhaus were bashed by critics for being "Joy Division rip-offs".
@user-wl2xl5hm7k
4 жыл бұрын
Join Hands is great but I feel their debut ‘78 The Scream is just as dark- beginning with the ominous track, “Pure”. I’ve also read that Bauhaus are ‘Joy Division rip-offs’ but Bauhaus’ “Bela Lugosi’s Dead” was recorded before Joy Division’s Unknown Pleasures.
@jimsin101
4 жыл бұрын
Not sure if you were on the scene at the time, but goth' wasn't really defined when Join Hands came out -so the Banshees couldn't have been 'going goth', more like they were making their own music that people later saw as goth once that label was ready to be hung on things.
@BarkertheScrunkly
4 жыл бұрын
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k That is correct, but "Bela" didn't hit the shelves until a few months after "Unknown Pleasures". The reviews I'm talking about are mostly about Bauhaus' full-length debut "In the Flat Field". Critics were pretty vicious to Bauhaus and the Sisters back in the day. Speaking of Joy Division, I'm wondering why this video didn't mention "Closer", especially with it's cover art.
@D3Fanatic
4 жыл бұрын
I find that funny because I generally like Sisters of Mercy more lol.
@ronnieo9571
4 жыл бұрын
@@jimsin101 I think you are 100% correct. I find that a lot of these attempts at defining history are missing the feeling that comes from being in that moment. I also think the attempts to define early dark or somber sounding music as Goth are simply stretches beyond imagination. If simply sounding dark or ominous is Goth then you could go back centuries. In fact what could be more Goth sounding then Gregorian Chant. That would be where it all begins. Behold Goth: kzitem.info/news/bejne/zIFrp6OefH-JY4o now begin the simple beat filled with space and a long sustaining guitar as it fades.....add disonant piano chords
@charlottesometimes2020
Жыл бұрын
Best comprehensive overview of the origins of goth music I’ve ever heard. Bravo. 💕
@vin-cc9nk
4 жыл бұрын
That damn screaming in Frankie Teardrop really gotta be one of the most terrifying things ever recorded. It's one of the few songs I know that makes me physically uncomfortable, it's so loud and harsh that the autistic part of my brain just can't handle it sometimes.
@brandonboogers
3 жыл бұрын
Look up “Triumph of Death” by HellHammer
@ianbat7092
3 жыл бұрын
its the most terrifying thing ive heard
@vaderladyl
3 жыл бұрын
I get the autistic part as I find it rather annoying, not scary at all.
@franciscoh.j8182
4 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing, the only flaw in it is not pointing out at the end the real impactful and celebrated modern goth acts such as She Past Away, Lebanon Hanover and Drab Majesty. Those are the real deal in goth music nowadays
@chrystals.4376
4 жыл бұрын
They’re not proto goth so contemporary acts aren’t the point of the video.
@franciscoh.j8182
4 жыл бұрын
@@chrystals.4376 in the end of the video they do try pointing out what would be contemporary Goth acts, and that's where they failed to really address relevant contemporary Goth bands, instead they point out contemporary alternative and indie acts such as Creeper and Jenny Hval and say that's how goth existis today, which is just wrong.
@-SuperCraigIsGay-
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. Hated the modern examples used in this video, they were all generic-sounding rock artists, who just kind of looked the part, but don't at all sound the part.
@jaelienehoung8181
4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you mentioning Nico, she’s honestly so underrated
@joejones9520
4 жыл бұрын
not under-rated in my world...
@carljules3123
4 жыл бұрын
@@joejones9520 not in mine either, for the record, she was the subject of a biopic that got rave reviews on both sides of the atlantic a couple of years ago.
@robertwrightson6455
2 жыл бұрын
Now this is a great documentary, good stable commentary, great clips we haven't seen before and great editing.
@TassosFragou
4 жыл бұрын
A band that is often overlooked when talking about proto goth is Van Der Graaf Generator, possibly because they are tagged as “prog rock”, despite being highly unconventional even for prog rock standards (I mean they are a rock band without a guitar player). Peter Hammill’s delivery is very similar to the dramatic vocals of the goths, while the combination of music and lyrics has an effect quite similar to the classic goth sound. Just listen to songs like “White Hammer” from their second album or “Killer” from their third album (possibly their most well known song). Apart from that, for a 26 min video, this is as thorough as it gets, really. Albums like “Sacrifice” by Black Widow or “Witchcraft Destroys minds and Reaps souls” by Coven, certainly deserve to be mentioned but they are too obscure for the timeline of this video. It’s funny that someone mentioned a Spotify playlist because I was, for quite sometime, thinking of making one. And, finally, guys stop asking for bands like Alien Sex Fiend or Christian Death, this is a proto-goth list and these bands fall into the goth-goth category (they came after Bauhaus)...
@juliankenning
4 жыл бұрын
Not to forget "Darkness". Plus there's a plethora of Hammill Solo songs that would make hardcore goths happy. Gog Magog on 'In Camera ( look at the black Cape cover photo), Fogwalking and In Slow Time on "A Black Box" to name just a few.
@Syfoll
4 жыл бұрын
Also A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers
@zoharwolfson8914
4 жыл бұрын
yes!! i love them
@saintnicole3209
4 жыл бұрын
Actually Alien Sex Fiend and Christian Death are both Deathrock (although Alien Sex Fiend labeled themselves as such. I don’t think they are) which is like the ridge between punk and goth. So they could be talked about in this video, but they weren’t goth-goth.
@TassosFragou
4 жыл бұрын
@@saintnicole3209 You are right about Christian Death but what I meant is that this video is about the *influences* of the artists and not the artists themselves. "Only Theater of Pain" came out February of 1982, 2 and a half years after "Bela Lugosi is Dead". Christian Death is a very important band (the first american band to crystallise the influences mentioned in this video into a cohesive and comprehensive style) and should have been put ALONGSIDE Bauhaus, Sisters, The Damned etc but not as an influence to them.
@derrickboess5886
4 жыл бұрын
in context of reaching way back to find all the seedlings that eventually sprouted goth, i think leonard cohens first two albums are notable, "the stranger" came to mind when i started thinking in that context after seeing you included nico as one of those seedlings
@jannyrcobs
4 жыл бұрын
Good point, but I would have said the first albums -- Songs Of Love And Hate has long been a favourite of a lot of goth- and emo-types.
@richardfluck2172
2 жыл бұрын
I guess they can't go through every artist but I think that Fields of the Nephilim somehow get overlooked in these discussions, not sure why, but underrated imo
@davetheimpaler204
Жыл бұрын
A great band but many seem to consider them an also-ran compared to Sisters Of Mercy. I like Fields Of The Nephilim a lot more than Sisters Of Mercy.
@HitlerGaymes123
9 ай бұрын
@@davetheimpaler204 Psychodelic Furs did more to goth than the formulaic steorotipes of sisters mercy, they inspired The Cure P0rnography
@kaijaaskelainen7780
4 жыл бұрын
The Horrors embodies that spirit quite well. If you think about how their sound has progressed through their albums, there's almost the whole spectrum from horror punk and garage rock into post-punk, psychedelic rock and new wave.
@michaelodowd4807
4 жыл бұрын
Irish band 'Virgin Prunes' deserve a mention
@carabiner7999
4 жыл бұрын
Oooh! Ancient goth here...thanks for reminding me. Had to sell my 1000+ albums eons ago. Off to track them down in whatever form I can find now. Cheers.
@sharonlee4773
4 жыл бұрын
I always thought they were Spoof!
@propatus244
4 жыл бұрын
Pagan love song by VP❤️
@carabiner7999
4 жыл бұрын
@David Erlstoke Ooh, please let us poor sods know just what a real goth is. Dying to know, you ken?
@cinderbeserk
4 жыл бұрын
Yes the virgin prunes? That was my first listening to the genre/ thanks music teacher mr forestall. A demo tape with only the date 1981.
@drunkvegangal8089
4 жыл бұрын
I believe Iggy Pop's 1977 album, "The Idiot", was a brilliant goth album. Released during Bowie's Berlin Trilogy, Bowie both produced and played on this a dark, industrial, post-punk-gothic work. Despite an overall, permeating gloom, this record is infused with Iggy's sarcastic 'wink and nod - don't take me so seriously' attitude. I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned is this, otherwise, exhaustively researched and excellent vid.
@angelelric8607
4 жыл бұрын
The idiot was "proto Post punk" or "proto goth"
@mr.onethirtyeight5088
4 жыл бұрын
Was it possible to be post-punk in 1977? Isn't that when broke out? So in theory it'd be pre not post.
@drunkvegangal8089
4 жыл бұрын
@@mr.onethirtyeight5088 I thought about your comment for a while. Yes. I still believe "The Idiot" is post-punk. When in doubt, look/listen backward into an artists' catalogue. The Stooges (amongst others) were inventing punk between 1967 and 1973. Trust me - I still have the vinyl. "The Idiot" is not those spectacular punk rock kicks to the bollocks. Listen to "TV Eye" (one of my faves) again and compare it to anything on "The Idiot". Gothic (vast and empty) and Proto-industrial are closer descriptives. Iggy and Bowie did something way, way ahead of its time - something that stands the test of time. It was a brilliant goth album and just a couple of years ahead of Bauhaus.
@bf13137
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! “Sister Midnight” is a great example of this.
@johnlemon3809
4 жыл бұрын
@@drunkvegangal8089 I guess it depends on what you define as punk. If your viewing it in the sense of a movement beyond just music, then it isn't really a thing until 77.
@davidstanton1261
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very well done! When I saw early clips of the Cramps and the Birthday Party, I knew someone (you) was finally on the right track: also the VU and Nico references were outstanding! P.S Kids don't neglect the Stooges, Death Trip etc is seminal!!
@TheLimbReaper
4 жыл бұрын
Well this explains why I've always had a deep appreciation for all these bands here.
@davidpggarrett
4 жыл бұрын
Siouxsie Sioux gets my vote here. Like me, she's originally from the Bromley area. Her work with the late Scottish guitarist John McGeogh is fascinating.
@manchesterkid8639
4 жыл бұрын
David Garrett they were punks though , not goth , if you were to ask them
@davidpggarrett
4 жыл бұрын
@@manchesterkid8639 yep, that's right. (I didn't mean that they were goths, just that I rate them). They were punks and not punks too, probably what you'd classify as post-punks. Along with H.G. Wells, Charles Darwin, Bowie and Billy Idol, I'm proud to say that they have a connection with my home town. I always hear a lot of the Banshees sound in Joy Division, and (for good reason) in the Cure.
@manchesterkid8639
4 жыл бұрын
David Garrett yes. John once described himself as a punk rocker in a conversation , which is why I mentioned it.
@carljules3123
4 жыл бұрын
@@manchesterkid8639 punk at heart
@davidpggarrett
4 жыл бұрын
@@manchesterkid8639 he was such an inventive player, like an Andy Summers
@Sameoldfitup
3 жыл бұрын
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams
@mondozilla69
2 жыл бұрын
The Damned's Dave Vanian should have been given bigger credence here. Not only did he have the vampire look back in 1976, but the band's 1977 song Fan Club is also really proto-gothic, while the songs Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and 13th Floor Vendetta on The Black Album are pure goth. Of course, by The band's 1985 album Phantasmagoria the bats were really outta the belfry.
@xerodelacroix5552
4 жыл бұрын
"I Put a Spell On You was the first goth song" Gloomy Sunday: hold up
@evansolomon169
4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Billie Holiday
@erwinwoodedge4885
4 жыл бұрын
Strange Fruit!
@aSandwich.13
4 жыл бұрын
*moonlight sonata has entered the chat*
@MaxRamos8
4 жыл бұрын
Goth stuff would be music with melodic or much use of diminished 5ths, and speaking about themes of death, hell, demonic stuff, or depression. It started in the late 1600s with Henry Purcell's When I am Laid in Earth
@markjames8603
4 жыл бұрын
Yep agreed, Hank Williams also, Johnny Cash too, I'm coming at this from my rockabilly roots so bare with me, loads of super dark records made back then, one of my faves is Jimmy Piper's "Bonfire" sounds lovely on first listening and then suddenly it's a murder ballad. Then there's Leadbelly with "Where did you sleep last night? ", Round Robin's " Wolf-man", Gene Pitney's "Town without pity " was covered by Dave Vanian's Phantom Chords. Link Wray too, dark and heavy guitar that is proto everything that came after. The Sonics with "Strychnine" "psycho" and "He's Waiting" the latter could've influenced Ted Bundy who came from the same town as the Sonics!!! "Carlos and the Bandido's" a popular band on the rockabilly scene 20 years or so ago they favoured murder ballads and a minor key, Carlos's band that followed this were The Savage Hornets, their cover of "Guarda Che Luna" is a must!
@tobiwalker7145
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reminding me how good and scary Nico was...so unique no one listened to her. Great to have you recap what I lived thru, to put it together in some sort of evolutionary order. And yes, Bauhaus/Bela Lugosi's Dead brought it all together. The dark lyrics, the thrumming rhythm, the eyeliner. Then Sisters of Mercy exploded and it was everywhere, with me too old to enjoy it, but loving to watch those who did.
@StarDarkAshes
4 жыл бұрын
Jim Morrison. Very few musicians/singers reach this type of iconic status.
@rachealmurphy6715
3 жыл бұрын
Still love Jim Morrison
@SaschaLeib
Жыл бұрын
Because most people will just look at it as an oddity mentioned in the video, let me just state that Nico's "The Marble Index" is still the most amazing, frightening, beautiful and mesmerizing album in my - rather vast - collection. It is not "easy listening", and it can be described as "nightmare-inducing" when listened to in the dark, but it is in my top-5 of best albums ever recorded. You should definitely listen to it!
@maximilianogabriel9982
Жыл бұрын
Avant Garde .
@evanphillips570
4 жыл бұрын
Should do a video on my bloody valentine and the shoegazers!
@gcarraig
4 жыл бұрын
I second and third this.
@Fufflunsify
4 жыл бұрын
Until he does, 'lie likes music' has a video with a very similar style to trash about them :)
@evanphillips570
4 жыл бұрын
Fufflunsify I have already seen that one but thanks anyways mate!
@Unhacker
Жыл бұрын
This was really excellent, and very well researched! It's almost impossible to disagree with the lineage you lay out. Almost everyone who would call themselves Goth owns or has owned almost every album you named. :) I saw Screaming Jay Hawkins at Raji's in Hollywood circa 1985, I had no idea (pre internet) wtf was going on when this dude came out of a coffin with bones through his nose, he really was a showman. I do think Cocteau Twins deserve a little more mention, though as you noted they're sorta "downstream" of Siouxse.
@singingwolfstaresatyou5504
4 жыл бұрын
Starting with Screaming Jay and you already earned my like and sub.
@DamnableReverend
3 жыл бұрын
This was a great video essay. I never thought much about the connection between dub/reggae and goth before, but I see it! It even comes back around full circle with an album like Scientist's Rids the World of the Evil Curse of the Vampire and it's hammer horror-inspired tracklist.
@twatts1523
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I loved seeing Lee Scratch Perry!
@DamnableReverend
2 жыл бұрын
@@twatts1523 disco devil!
@Lordradost
3 жыл бұрын
I was one back in the day and feel entirely "John Snow" on something that was so dear to me for so long. Massive thanks. Edit: there was allot of *"wave and synth music"* in this genre as well. And then the *metal* overlap. Perhaps this deserves a *part 2* .
@brentwillis260
2 жыл бұрын
Good list it covers most things. Although I would go further back and add Bach's Toccata and Fugue as a starting point. For more modern influences I would add Can and Neu as influences on the first wave of goth/post-punk bunds for their bass and drum-led rhythmic push. Also Pere Ubu (especially their 1975 debut single 30 seconds over Tokyo / Heart of darkness) was a big influence on a lot of first wave goth bands. Although Magazine are more post-punk their first two albums, especially Second Hand Daylight is gothic as.
@johnbehan1526
2 жыл бұрын
Krautrock does not get it's due around here. There is a straight line between "Vitamin C", Eno and Bauhaus. Still, Suicide get their due, which was a nice surprise.
@Tess78uk
Ай бұрын
Purcell’s “Dido’s Lament” is deliciously goth, as is Gorecki’s “Symphony of Sorrowful Songs”. In Jacobean literature, The Revenger’s Tragedy. The Jacobeans were often just as morbid as the Victorians!
@Wglass90
4 жыл бұрын
Very informative for those who are just getting into the music, and even though this just mainly pertains to the origins of Gothic Rock or Darkwave as musical genres, you can even big deeper and can easily trace the musical origins to Blues, 19th Century Folk music, Classical and opera during the Enlightenment and Victorian eras, which by 18th & 19th Century standards was considered 'dark music' at the time. Mussorgsky's Night On Bald Mountain is a perfect example. What would become what many considered the female 'Gothic aesthetic' within the subculture can also be traced to television stars/characters like Carolyn Jones as Morticia, Vampira, or Lily Munster who were all pre-Elvira who became a cultural phenomenon and icon in the 80s when Gothic Rock was also at its peak. People might have different opinions regarding the topic since it's subjective, but I personally feel there are so many aspects within this love for darkness and the macabre we embrace and are attracted to so much that easily made all of its contributions to the birth of the subculture whether it be literature, music, film, the architecture style, or certain elements of ancient European medieval mythology. It certainly wouldn't exist without any of these things.
@MaxRamos8
4 жыл бұрын
Goth stuff would be music with melodic or much use of diminished 5ths, and speaking about themes of death, hell, demonic stuff, or depression. It started in the 1800s with Henry Purcell's When I am Laid in Earth. Before that I'm not too sure
@MaxRamos8
4 жыл бұрын
Goth stuff would be music with melodic or much use of diminished 5ths, and speaking about themes of death, hell, demonic stuff, or depression. It started in the late 1600s with Henry Purcell's When I am Laid in Earth
@MaxRamos8
4 жыл бұрын
Goth stuff would be music with melodic or much use of diminished 5ths, and speaking about themes of death, hell, demonic stuff, or depression. It started in the late 1600s with Henry Purcell's When I am Laid in Earth
@MsVanorak
2 жыл бұрын
i should say to anyone just getting into it - get back out again!
@GGiblet
4 жыл бұрын
I wish Fields of the Nephilim had been mentioned, but this was lovely💜
@LANGI902
3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Elizium still gets major play in my house.
@golgariblightwarlock
3 жыл бұрын
A fellow fields fan, this pleases me. They're such an underrated band within the goth subculture.
@We_Are_All_Vultures
3 жыл бұрын
Wow it's been a while since I've heard that name
@jossyDread
4 жыл бұрын
Never heard the word "goth" in the 80's, Joy Division or Bauhaus were calles New Wave, while Dead can Dance or Sisters of mercy were more Cold Wave. I think that the use of "Goth" came from the US.
@LividImp
4 жыл бұрын
In the US, people were using "goth" by the mid 80s for sure. At least that was the first time I can remember people using it. Previous to that it was either New Wave or just "Alternative" (but not the term "Alternative Rock" yet, as it mostly referred to synthpop at the time).
@joan-lisa-smith
4 жыл бұрын
Here in Toronto Canada New Wave was early Depeche Mode and Human League etc, Cold Wave was the heavier electronic ones like Numan and Foxx (the synth sounds being considered cold and impersonal).
@JT-un7dc
4 жыл бұрын
I remember mod being a term used in the 80s for most of these bands.
@waswasere4299
4 жыл бұрын
Not sure that is true. I tried to describe goth to some NYC chums in 1990. They seemed to call it "Dark Wave". Goth as a term seemed to evolve from the name given to Batcave/Alice in Wonderland punters around 1983. I remember first being called a goth in 1984, but didn't really take off as a genre term until 1985 and the SoM's First, Last and Always.
@mmestari
4 жыл бұрын
In Finland in the 80s they were called punks, it was just considered variation of punk style. First time I heard of word goth being used, was when people started to make the distinction between metalheads who dress in all black from goths in early 90s.
@PK-gi2qh
2 жыл бұрын
Man, this is so well done. So thorough! So be shown in a college music theory class. Very enjoyable.
@PassiveNights
4 жыл бұрын
What’s weird about Suicide is they had a huge influence on that most gothic of artists... Bruce Springsteen. Nebraska was a tribute to him, to the point of Vega thinking he wrote some of the some when he first heard them. And covered Dream Baby Dream
@homersimpson7068
4 жыл бұрын
That was great , do one on the next stage, but don't forget Echo and the Bunnymen.
@davidcross701
4 жыл бұрын
There is the 80s Goth rock, then there is the 90s electro goth. Nostalgia is great but time moves on. 1989 was the demarcation between the old goth and what came to be WaxTrax Record Goth/industrial, alternative music culture. Well, at least here in America.
@kath9200
2 жыл бұрын
this is the comment i was looking for! goth music, even today has kind of evolved into something new, but I don't think that makes it any less goth. all subcultures evolve and goth is no exception
@bizyizziaz4831
2 жыл бұрын
wax trax was partly the same generation as first wave lol
@bizyizziaz4831
2 жыл бұрын
@@kath9200 uh it seems like a lot of rehash lol
@jonadams8841
Жыл бұрын
Iron Butterfly! Doug Ingle, the band leader, was the organist in my grades 7-12 parochial boys school in LA. In In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida, you hear Christian christmas carols braced against dark evil, and it's perfect at its full 17 minutes. I can still listen to that anytime.
@MrXis10Shell
4 жыл бұрын
Northampton had a club in 1980 called Das Bunker, which Bauhaus often frequented. I knew them from pre-Bunker days (at art school with David J and Danny Ash) when they'd drive around in a hearse. Most patrons dressed in black, like many did in various nightclubs across Britain, and Goth was definitely in existence by '81, with clubs like The Batcave in Dean Street, London opening in '82 and becoming a Mecca to all things Goth. But by then, Bauhaus had moved on and away from Bela Lugosi and, like The Cure, wanted to distance themselves from what was becoming a very clichéd genre. First saw them perform Bela Lugosi as support artists to Magazine, at Northampton Town Hall in 1980. Murphy had great stage presence, and you knew then they were destined for bigger things. Incidentally, haven't seen any mention of Southern Death Cult?
@SteeeveO
4 жыл бұрын
I know they played the racecourse pavillion but hadn't heard of Das Bunker! Where was that?
@MrXis10Shell
4 жыл бұрын
@@SteeeveO It was sandwiched within a row of shops along the Kettering Road, towards Abington Park. It was previously a gay club called Monroe's, who were happy to welcome in all the dispossessed youth of Northampton. The only nightclub you'd dare enter if you weren't a meathead. As soon as I walked in to the sound of Iggy Pop's "Nightclubbing" I knew I was home. Everyone gathered at Cobblers wine bar in Bridge Street (Murphy and Ash were always in there) and got private transport up to Das Bunker. It would be a very brave soul to dare walk there, dressed as they were. You'd occasionally risk drinking at The Racehorse, where you'd often see Alan Moore, although he never ventured up to Das Bunker...I assume you're local; did you see New Order at the Roadmender? Or the Dead Kennedy's at Harpole? Or Tom Verlaine at the Old Five Bells?
@MrXis10Shell
4 жыл бұрын
@@SteeeveO It wasn't Kettering Road, it was the Wellingborough Road. Doh! 🥴
@SteeeveO
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrXis10Shell an "adopted" local. I used to follow bauhaus when I lived up North & saw them live a number of times, but only moved to Northampton in 87. Missed all the local buzz. Worked for a while with a guy who used to knock around with them at the periphery, & did see the boys (without Peter) in a bar in '88 on Regent Square. Used to live on Lutterworth Rd so I would have been round the corner from Das Bunker......it's probably now a Polish food shop or Barber's. I guess they were good times, & seeing Peter & David at the Roadmender last year is probably the last throw of the dice.......
@polenit6390
4 жыл бұрын
Fifi and the firebirds 😉
@ignaciomayorgaalzate5338
4 жыл бұрын
All my favorite bands are in here. I love your channel so much. Greetings from Colombia.
@jekku4688
2 жыл бұрын
As a former Goth girl, THANK YOU. ❤
@refuzed74
4 жыл бұрын
What an insightful video. I love 98% of the bands on here.
@LividImp
4 жыл бұрын
Just curious, which ones did you not like?
@outsidethepyramid
4 жыл бұрын
@@LividImp What 2% we wonder
@StephenJacksonRerumFontis
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great presentation! At 13 (we are talking 1971 here) I discovered Alice Cooper, having been a fan of Edgar Allen Poe since I was 8, and always will be. Not long after, I became aware of Screamin’ Jay. I have loved many of these acts, and currently am a huge fan of Ghost.
@GaylordBonnafous
4 жыл бұрын
Faltless choice, I would have chosen the same artists. Although I would have added "Paint It Black" by The Stones and songs by The Stooges, such as "I Wanna Be Your Dog" (and these two tracks have been covered a lot by gothic bands...) and "Gimme Danger". Also, Lou Reed, especially Berlin album.
@alexbecker4149
4 жыл бұрын
*Why would anyone want to be someone's dog though?*
@KamenSentaiMetalHero
4 жыл бұрын
@@alexbecker4149 I'm pretty sure it has something to do with BDSM.
@GaylordBonnafous
4 жыл бұрын
@Luke Robinett Exactly, and it has been covered by Echo & The Bunnymen, Mephisto Walz (twice!), Marc Almond, or post-punk French bands like Jad Wio or Dazibao.
@hypnossomnus8182
4 жыл бұрын
@@alexbecker4149 ask a Furry
@midnite8729
4 жыл бұрын
@@alexbecker4149 its sexual
@anothervu
4 жыл бұрын
Some great reporting. Some other's I would add, The Stooges, especially "We will fall", Lou Reed's Dark Glam of 72/73, John Cale's solo work such as "Helen of Troy", and Iggy Pop's albun The Idiot
@40fluidounces
4 жыл бұрын
We Will Fall is suuuuuch an amazing song
@robjones2408
4 жыл бұрын
Spot on. I went to many Goth clubs in the very early 1980s, and "Sister Midnight" and "Nightclubbing" were massive dance floor fillers. The Sisters Of Mercy did a great version of "1969". "We Will Fall" is another overlooked track that would fit very neatly on a epic Goth soundtrack. Glad to see you've mentioned John Cale (who produced the first Stooges album). His version of "Heartbreak Hotel" is a stone-cold classic of eternal darkness.
@marthavmuffin
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great piece; Took me back to the early days of seeing Roxie Music, Iggy, Siousxie, The Cure and SIsters of Mercy in small venues.
@anonyarena
4 жыл бұрын
The Fall (1977 thru 2018) certainly should've been mentioned as a Goth influence, musically and lyrically. Not only do a large number of their Lovecraft-inspired songs and album titles pertain to witchcraft and the supernatural (such as Witch Trials, Hex Enduction Hour, Lucifer Over Lancashire, A Figure Walks, Spectre Vs. Rector, Impression of J Temperance, City Hobgoblins, Ghost In My House, Wings, Elves, Dr. Faustus,) but their singer Mark E. Smith claimed to actually BE a psychic, gifted with pre-cognition. (Psychic Dancehall, and Psychic Dancehall #2).
@liamjay6844
4 жыл бұрын
Around Grotesque and Hex Enduction Hour they are at their most Gothic. Very M.R. James and Lovecraft at times.
@pigeonheadedman5225
4 жыл бұрын
YES was just about to say this. Rip mark e smith
@pjr5913
4 жыл бұрын
@@liamjay6844 id even argue this nations saving grace as their most gothic dude
@liamjay6844
4 жыл бұрын
@@pjr5913 Oooh! Good call.
@pjr5913
4 жыл бұрын
@@liamjay6844 thanx brozo fall fans unite. "we must joust modernism"-mark smith at a live show with leather coat over his head jousting his mike stand at the audience in tuscon azkzitem.info/news/bejne/y358yo2PgpN2fJg
@e_mairwaves3121
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting doc! I would include more four songs with darkly subtones: "Still I'm Sad"(1965) The Yardbirds, "Eight Miles High"(1966) The Byrds, "Paint It Black"(1966) Rolling Stones & "Season Of The Witch"(1966) Donovan Leitch.
@reidgelding7909
2 жыл бұрын
Though dark & beautiful songs , I don't know how much they directly influenced what was to come out of punk to become Goth. With a band like the Cramps the influences are obvious through covers of 45's; however though each individual in bands labelled Goth in early days of the scene have personal influences & likes I think the video covered the major umbrella influences on the genre very well...
@melissasanford2051
Жыл бұрын
Being the only person in my High School with a tattoo and listened to the Cure was rough but I wouldn’t change it for the world! I’m sure glad I moved away from ND while still a teenager and made it to Seattle during the rise of Grunge….GOOD TIMES!!!❤✨🌈
@akmediascope
Жыл бұрын
Isn't it amazing to see the connections of all the genres and their evolution! By listening to my daughter's music I discovered so much. We are in Alaska, Avery red state, so I understand how hard it is for young people to find a positive path and be a distinct individual
@PunksForProgress
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, man. That was cool, and just about as spot on as possible for a 26 minute try. In fact, I didn't even get angry and yell at my computer a single once. Cheers!
@LividImp
4 жыл бұрын
Same. Anytime someone does a dive into punk or goth culture it is almost always one cringe inducing moment after another, but Trashy here did a great job. The guy either really knows his stuff or he is a great researcher.
@PunksForProgress
4 жыл бұрын
@@LividImp exactly.
@l0vecrime
5 ай бұрын
my favorite video essay ever, i love recommending this to ppl that wanna learn more about the origins of the goth genre, especially screamin jay hawkins being a huge influence on for it
@AlbinoGreen
3 жыл бұрын
Well done.Syd Barrett could have got a mention. The solo stuff at least. Chrome? And the neo folk scene which is some of the deepest darkest stuff out there.
@chaoswitch1974
2 жыл бұрын
Omg I saw Chrome and Sad Lovers and Giants about 7 years ago and my mind was blown... there are so many older artists who are still showing us how to do it. I'm 47 btw
@AlbinoGreen
2 жыл бұрын
@@chaoswitch1974 For sure! Older is wiser, and also darker and colder in my experience. I’m 49 btw
@chaoswitch1974
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlbinoGreen ♡♤♡
@aneleaveizam
Жыл бұрын
Yessss!! I agree, Syd definitely could have got a mention. Not only for his solo music, but also his looks in 1969, especially his famous photoshop done by Mick Rock where Syd was wearing black eyeliner and black clothes, he looked pretty gothic
@hannahmiller5515
3 жыл бұрын
We need a playlist of historic goth songs please
@rmcq1999
3 жыл бұрын
The friend who put me on to Nico years ago described her music as being like a leopard in mid air, about to strike.
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