It’s 2025 man, times have changed. Behringer are not cutting costs on components quality, 20 tubes, probably $15 each bought in bulk, plus it probably costs them $10 a transformer to make their own. They buy in mass bulk, they make their own components, it’s PCB not handwired. This is the savings. For Example a Neve 33609 is about $300 worth of components. It’s the hardwiring, and distribution and shipping, and Neves overheads that cause the inflated price. I personally believe Behringer do this it will be almost 99% indistinguishable from an original.
@NRVE8
9 күн бұрын
Man I literally just said this in a response to another comment, but you’re right, and maybe I failed to mention this aspect in better detail in the video. I’ll be curious to see
@chrisdover8507
8 күн бұрын
@@NRVE8 that said, Behringer did basically fail with the 1273. The Eq curves are incorrect and also have errors, especially with EQ disengaged and using the low cut filter. Maybe I’m mistaken but seems like a fail to me. They also got the dual concentric knobs backwards. If they’re cutting corners on dual concentric pots then imagine where else they’re cutting back. It’s a shame, because they could actually be doing something revolutionary.
@NRVE8
8 күн бұрын
@@chrisdover8507 I haven’t used it, but that’s interesting to know. I’d imagine the curves aren’t that hard of a thing to accomplish, I could be wrong.
@ZZ-ou7gp
5 күн бұрын
The problem with most "audio engineers" is that they are not "audio engineers", but collectors of original history, like collecting original art pieces. So when a company like lindell, warm audio, behringer etc start to make affordable clones of "historic equipment", the "audio engineers" go up in arms. They just dont want anyone else getting anywhere close to these affordable products because they feel it devalues what they have. Most of the patents from these relics have now gone public domain, and if you can get your hands on the blueprints, you could and can build you very own "historical equipment". Music is now more than ever in the hands of the masses. Unfortunately that does not mean that everyone automatically becomes a Leornado De Vinci. Music can be made by everyone, just like toddlers in nursery can sketch up some colourful blots on paper. Music and any other art form has always been about talent and practice and focus and grit and all that good stuff. I for one am happy that I can get clone of a classic hardware and use it in my own work. I know the hardware wont last long, but then I only paid a fraction of the price. The soldering and tin used and the capacitors are probably all junk, but they sound decent enough and in the final mix, you wont hear the difference between the original and the clone. So everyone, chill out, do your own thing, but more importantly, stop being a gear 304 and a gear xNAZIx. Get a grip of yourselfs before someone else does..Nuff said
@Chaos-Dynamics
Ай бұрын
I have both the 1273 and the 369 from Behringer, they both sound really good. The quality of the pots are not so great but their transformers sound great. I wouldn’t buy a Behrchild but for people who want one, why not. In the end it’s a tool that you use or not, if it works it works 😊
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
@@Chaos-Dynamics exactly! Does it do what you need it to do!? Is it adding or taking away from a great song
@Chaos-Dynamics
Ай бұрын
@@NRVE8 For me it’s adding. I usually only do mixing mostly with analog gear. I’m now recording some friends to help them with their first demo, I used to do recording years ago but not anymore. I did record guitar and vocals with the pre-amp and it sounds great, much better than using a D.I. box for guitar or going straight into the interface. It definitely helps getting a better recording. The compressor is a little bit of a different beast, it works really well on the drum bus. I use it on the mixbus as well but I think once I have an other mixbus compressor I will use it for the drum bus only.
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
@@Chaos-Dynamics I would agree that’s it’s rare analog gear can take away unless YOU are doing too much.
@Pushin_Buttons
Ай бұрын
For the price you could buy an 1176, LA-2A & Pultec clone from a more reputable company like Warm Audio, Lindell etc and arguably get a lot more mileage. You'd have money left over for a 660 vst from someone like UAD 🤣. If I had a fully fleshed out studio I'd be tempted to buy one but as an average consumer I'd probably go for a nice preamp, saturator or buss comp in that price range. I'd be interested to hear one in the flesh tho.
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
That’s what I wanted to say in this video but completely forgot to make that point. Thank you sir
@hockeytalk6084
Ай бұрын
On the surface hell no. But if it actually drops and people start making demos and it sounds half decent, I will swallow my pride and get one 😂. It’s just hard to imagine they could pull something this complicated off for such a cheap price without cutting corners
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
I think if they sold it without their name on it, it would sell 10x more… maybe if they completely rebrand themselves as well or create a sub company for pro audio with a different name
@pdmcrew80
Ай бұрын
Complicated? Its actually a very old and simple circuit, its not fairy dust, compared with some of the synths they already made., the original parts are almost impossible to get, but if any company can make a Fairchild "clone" for this price, its Behringer.
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
@@pdmcrew80idk about the complexity factor. I certainly couldn’t just whip one up. But I agree, if they can design synths, they can make this.
@hockeytalk6084
Ай бұрын
Yeah totally fair. By complicated I just mean it’s not the type of compressor I would necessarily want a “budget”version of. Obviously, there will be zero original components inside this thing. There’s a lot of good compressors out there for 1500 bucks, I don’t doubt they can build something good. I just want to hear it first
@hockeytalk6084
Ай бұрын
Because otherwise I’d rather spend that 1500 on a second Distressor lol. That’s really all I’m saying. I would still consider buying a Behrchild 😂
@VinceJackson1
24 күн бұрын
Great Video! The Behringer 369 is an excellent mod opportunity!! Its sound great & with companies like Revive Audio has the potential to be amazing! I think a Behrchild would be the same 😁
@NRVE8
9 күн бұрын
Didn’t even think about mods, very true
@anaiytv2120
Ай бұрын
Great video and well explain,we just wait for behringer to see how it goes and I believe they gonna kill it
@coolint
23 күн бұрын
If Behringer Build's a Fairchild compressor limiter we are ALLLLL PURCHASING IT.
@NRVE8
9 күн бұрын
I’m starting to realize this too lmao
@pdmcrew80
Ай бұрын
No original Fairchild sounds like other original fairchild, they are all diferent. this will be just another diferent Fairchild, just like other clones in the market.
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
Great point… it will be different and that may not be a bad thing
@reverendcarter
Ай бұрын
i worked at a place that had 2 660's and a 670. they were interchangeable with each other. no clone ive ever heard came close and sadly they were all sold off
@pdmcrew80
Ай бұрын
@@reverendcarter so, all of the Fairchilds mesured the same? How do you maintain consistency on 60 tubes over time? clones do not come close based on what parametres? Taste?
@jrlee243
Ай бұрын
I am probably 90% in the cranborne 500 seirs rack. I own 3, all running through ADAT. I can hear a difference, but it's not a bad one at all. Compared to full rack rack gear.
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
That’s a slightly different debate lol
@jrlee243
Ай бұрын
@SeabornProductions I agree that part is a different discussion. I suppose I was thinking more on the part of, is something worth that much money. Like you said, the Neve is 4k, and a 500 rack is about 1k new. I know I wouldn't buy something like that for 30k.
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
@@jrlee243 gotcha, I see what you’re saying now. Personally I haven’t used a lot of 500 series enough to speak on the comparison outside of KZitem videos… but I would assume you can still get a great sound for a quarter the price.
@frankiewood
Ай бұрын
You nailed it.
@Johnnybananass-_
Ай бұрын
The thing with gear is only the first customer gets charged and has to pay the high price - cos after all those people have done the hard work the next 50 people just come and clone the hard work and design and schematic . Haha
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
They’re only cloning gear that’s been around before 1980…
@user-ki4is1sw8r
26 күн бұрын
If they make i will buy . It will sound better than a plug.. nobody cares how its recorded or made except us lik 😅
@NRVE8
26 күн бұрын
Haha I’d be lying if I said I’m not curious
@WassupFred
Ай бұрын
I mean i understand them making this.. supply - demand.. I mean for sure it's not going to be an original, but for 1,500 bucks.. If you can get a hair of that sound.. i say its worth a shot... one thing i will agree with you is the durability.. will this thing last?? is it going under the same stress as the original? Yea.. we will have to wait and see but.. idk i think if can have at least access to a real one.. even if i have to rent one or go to a studio that has one, if i really am chasing that sound.. then i think id rather do that.. i dont really care about owning one, as long as i have access to one.
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
@@WassupFred here’s the other question, how important is a Fairchild?? Let’s be real… I don’t think I’ve ever hit over -2 to -3dB of gain reduction on one. So that means what? Potentially $15k per dB?? Or potentially $750 per dB lmao
@mirkomarkovic3438
28 күн бұрын
They can't make a neve clone (and they claim their designing engineer is a "rupert neve engineer"...which is not true, he worked at amek at the sime time rupert neve was designing for the company. he never worked alongside him or for him). so why would a fairchild be more true to the original? It will be some random tube compressor that looks like a fairchild....
@NRVE8
27 күн бұрын
That’s kind of what I’m thinking too…
@ghostakablackpanther
10 күн бұрын
It doesn't cost that much to make a Fairchild. 😂😂 who make them make bank rolls
@NRVE8
9 күн бұрын
It’s pretty expensive man, look into resourcing quality parts… however for a large company, perhaps buying in bulk cuts cost tremendously
@bonzology322
Ай бұрын
I'll save you some time, NO they can't
@gabet3754
Ай бұрын
Mmmm…. Nahhhhh
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
@@gabet3754 hahaha
@gabet3754
Ай бұрын
Honestly bro, you have the realist channel out there. I hope you don’t sell out. And you’re right, I don’t trust equipment at that price to be an accurate (not even a little).
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
@@gabet3754 hell yeah bro, I’m trying man, end of the day this is music we’re talking about.
@tjsmith7499
Ай бұрын
The good thing is no one who buys 1 of these will ever know if it does or does not sound like a fair child, as no 1 has that kind of money. It is the same comparison as buying a pedal for guitar that should sound like a dumble amplifier. no one knows what a dumb amplifier sounds like. So all of this jargon is really irrelevant. Plus you can bet if behringers says they can build this for that cost.Then they have already got a palette full of these already made. They know their costs
@NRVE8
Ай бұрын
That’s not entirely true as people who own one, or work in studios I’m sure will make content comparing the two… but for the average consumer, yeah sure they may not have the opportunity. However, I don’t think it will sound terrible so it may not even matter
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