Some cultures do celebrate funerals. Though they don't celebrate the death, they celebrate the life of the person.
@chewy99.
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. That shows even more how much many people value life.
@Game_Hero
Жыл бұрын
Remember those coffin dancers from Ghana?
@yamamotohiromori419
Жыл бұрын
It's not about the end (death) it's about the journey (life)
@thelakeman2538
Жыл бұрын
Yeah here in India many communities do celebrate funerals especially if the person lived a long and fulfilling life, though they can be a more sombre affair if the person died young or unnaturally. Kinda weird how food is almost universally used to commemorate the dead in this part of the world regardless of religion, ethnicity, community, etc.
@carlose4314
Жыл бұрын
@@yamamotohiromori419 That's why I said that they celebrate funerals, as they view it as remembering the life of the person.
@tjones09
Жыл бұрын
" I do not want to get too political" "Pain is inescapable for labour party supporters"
@CheapSkateGamer96
Жыл бұрын
He probably just doesn't want *AMERICAN* politics on his channel as we have a tendency to turn every issue into a flame war. British politics are typically a *bit* more polite.
@nothisispatrick4644
Жыл бұрын
americans making everything worse for everyone else. Based.
@Pining_for_the_fjords
Жыл бұрын
@@CheapSkateGamer96 Except when it comes to brexit.
@kiddkuru
Жыл бұрын
Right wing is the only correct political party
@literally-just-a-leaf
Жыл бұрын
Let's be honest though, that won't offend anyone who's familiar with his content in any way. I'm fairly certain he doesn't back the tories, and thats really all Labour supporters care about, and other party supporters will appreciate the jab at labour
@mickenziemitchell5487
Жыл бұрын
First recorded instance of an Englishman not being depressed
@edwardbrown3721
Жыл бұрын
He's hoarding all the happiness
@Falsealarm.
Жыл бұрын
@@edwardbrown3721yeah like a vampire, sucking what little happiness left that exist in an Englishman
@houseofhas9355
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@Hwje1111
Жыл бұрын
England was much happier in the early 20th century. I guess that’s what losing an entire empire does to a nation lol
@alkasah4softs129
Жыл бұрын
@@Hwje1111do u really think so
@nyuh
Жыл бұрын
I don't know how to feel about needing a random internet man to tell me life isn't meaningless
@Cecilia-ky3uw
Жыл бұрын
You can feel many things like hey being proud you are certainly more intellectually active than your forebearers.
@rodri1030
Жыл бұрын
It's allright, you don't need to find all the answers on your own.
@MarshallTheArtist
Жыл бұрын
@@Cecilia-ky3uw How would that be certain?
@lorenzmaut3708
Жыл бұрын
Everybody knows that life isn't meaningless, at least they are going to understand that others do find a meaning in life, we just need a reminder, it's like taking a shower and cleaning your own eyes, You can't see things if you are constantly closing your eyes and seeing one point of view. The world isn't perfect, it's the truth, you might not enjoy your life at the moment, but the sacrifices everyone makes to live life are worth the trouble.
@nemtudom5074
Жыл бұрын
Well, often internet man taketh This time, they giveth
@swaggerdagger8976
Жыл бұрын
The only reason im still alive is because I want to outlive all my enemies
@Cyan_Hoodie
Жыл бұрын
Nice name
@gtc239
Жыл бұрын
Wish i have some enemies like ya.
@mmmhmmm8236
Жыл бұрын
Based
@PhilHug1
Жыл бұрын
Everyone needs a reason to keep going
@nowhereman6019
Жыл бұрын
What a pathetic, empty existence.
@angeloaquino6766
Жыл бұрын
One thing I can say is: Don't blame existence, blame the parts of existence which could be better but choose not to be. So, crappy parents like mine who emotionally abused me, peers who bullied me, etc, but overall there are people who choose to make life better for well, everyone. And those people deserve that credit.
@slevinchannel7589
Жыл бұрын
Supplement this video here all you like: Gloom, Hope, so called Revolutionary-Optimism, its all covered by 'Some More News' and 'Second Thought'. And 'Cinema Therapy'.
@wowthatsalowprice8942
Жыл бұрын
The antinatalist argument is that abuse, bullying, competition, malevolence, suffering, etc. are inherent to existence; it's not a coincidence that these are universal experiences.
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
@@wowthatsalowprice8942 And even without the social pains there are still things like disease, the aging process, and the terror of knowing that you're mortal. The natural facts of being incarnate in a mortal meat body are more horrific than people really are willing to admit, and by bringing someone into life you are choosing to subject someone to those horrors.
@hex9077
Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158 lmao you might not be able to grapple with your own mortality but plenty of others are perfectly content with it. “Horrors” please 😂
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
@@hex9077 I mean if you subscribe to terror management theory practically all of human culture, from the Mesolithic to the MCU, developed as a distraction from our own mortality. Everyone is necrophobic: some people are just better at masking and denying the fear and others are more honest with themselves.
@heiloloheimir
Жыл бұрын
This channel is criminally underrated
@willemvanoranje5724
Жыл бұрын
indeed :(
@lukeeatschips6324
Жыл бұрын
+rep
@bryanramirez2626
Жыл бұрын
Very 😔
@gingernutpreacher
Жыл бұрын
It should be recorded as I no crime hate crime
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
I really didn't like this video, it heavily misrepresents anti-natalism and just puts it en par with death cults, presenting the entire ordeal like something only angry teenagers believe in (otherwise, no clue what the first seconds of the video was for), without really regarding the philosophy behind it, brushing off believers in it as people that can't deal with personal problems, instead of, I don't know, taking their arguments at face value. This is just not how you deal with differing beliefs.
@lobaandrade7172
Жыл бұрын
This is definitely one of the best videos I’ve seen not just from you but in a long time. It’s uplifting and motivating, something we all need nowadays
@nenmaster5218
Жыл бұрын
Supplement this video here all you like: Gloom, Hope, so-called Revolutionary-Optimism, its all covered by 'Some More News' and 'Second Thought'. And 'Cinema Therapy'.
@argenfargen
Жыл бұрын
He's doing an exerb1a
@HT-rq5pi
Жыл бұрын
Feel free to delude yourself with optimism if that makes life easier. Just don't reproduce in the event that your offspring doesn't inherit this capacity for self-delusion.
@andresdubon2608
Жыл бұрын
It's not a very good video. The entire first half of the video has barely anything to do with anti-natalism. Your views on abortion are irrelevant to the premises of anti-natalism. And his entire view on how good can suffering be is a very close call if not an entire appeal to nature fallacy.
@EwwwYT
Жыл бұрын
@@andresdubon2608 and to go further, he's whole segment at the end about how risks are needed and worth taking ignores the first part of the video... consent. The whole issue is that the decision to take a risk is made by someone else. Sure risk is good sometimes, but not when someone forces it. Imagine if those pilots didn't decide to risk flying the plane, they were actually forced too against their will... not good at all. The whole video only talks about surface level stuff and fails to grasp the actual arguments, it's a bit disappointing.
@xkclearly666
11 ай бұрын
This was somehow inspirational. I’m going through a deep depression ever since getting out of jail and this actually sheds some happiness I desperately needed.
@Ragman312
11 ай бұрын
Hopefully, this sets you back: I think we can agree that it sucks to be humans. We're such a walking contradiction. Free will condemns us to know right from wrong, but because we're still animals, we're predisposed to fulfilling our own selfish desires. Its like we're part-god and part-animal, the worst of each (but neither fully one or the other), and suffering stems from the duality of those two natures. Knowing evil but craving evil.
@xkclearly666
11 ай бұрын
@@Ragman312 Set me back ? Lol. I get it though. I still choose to look at the brighter side of things.
@ijon-y4549
9 ай бұрын
I hope you have a good life, brother!
@xkclearly666
9 ай бұрын
@@ijon-y4549 you too man.
@winzigerflashendeckel6894
9 ай бұрын
@@Ragman312idk why people are always going on about how bad humanity is. We are fcking great. Sure we could do better but we don't need to hate ourselfs becouse of it. Humanity for the win
@whatisthismess
Жыл бұрын
This is a good month, BritMonkey video drops, Sam O'Nella is back... Very good video dude!
@tanjoy0205
Жыл бұрын
A second golden age has began !
@Bruh-nb1hj
Жыл бұрын
watch Sam disappear for another 3 years
@Mox1990
Жыл бұрын
Biden pardons marijuana sentences-> Sam O'Nella uploads a vid Coincidence? I think not!
@jabo0553
Жыл бұрын
@@Mox1990 coincidence i dont think so
@Icedsobaka
Жыл бұрын
This is a repost I think
@orthodynamicstereonails
Жыл бұрын
On the topic of people who cannot feel pain, I know a family who's child has that condition. It is worse than described. He wakes up most days covered in blood from lost teeth or a bitten tongue. He can feel slight pressure on his teeth, but only when *he rips them out of his head with a binky*. These people do not live long. It truly is a curse.
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
That's horrible...
@bonafidemonafide7810
Жыл бұрын
@@ErikUden from your anti-natalist perspective would it not be better than if he did feel pain and had those same inflictions?
@Francu8942
Жыл бұрын
@@bonafidemonafide7810 when did they say that. It's an horrible condition
@bytekast
Жыл бұрын
@@bonafidemonafide7810 emotional and other mental pains are far more common in life than physical ones, and I think that's what antinatalists are referring to when they say "pain". I find it foolish to think that life is terrible because of physical pain, which can be treated quickly through time, medication or hospital care at worst. Nonphysical pain is complex to treat and it prolongs suffering.
@bedro_0
Жыл бұрын
What about the condition of not being able to feel pleasure?
@tituslucretiuscarus659
Жыл бұрын
The concept of treating nonexistent people as legitimate moral agents always baffled me.
@antinataliz9633
Жыл бұрын
I think that is not the case. U may be confusing it with the scenario where previously nonexistent persons are now moral agents.
@benjaminmontenegro3423
Жыл бұрын
@@antinataliz9633 there is no such thing as a "non-existing person". It's an oxymoron.
@antinataliz9633
Жыл бұрын
@@benjaminmontenegro3423 it's called abstract thought. Something ordinary human brains are capable of, so u might wanna get yours checked out..
@ImRezaF
Жыл бұрын
Clearly, we could end all suffering in life if only we could build more houses
@FictionHubZA
Жыл бұрын
You're on to something.
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
You're on to something
@2Links
Жыл бұрын
You're on to something.
@sssawfish
Жыл бұрын
You’re on to something
@JustAnotherNamelessGuy
Жыл бұрын
You’re on to something.
@abyssaljam441
Жыл бұрын
the closest thing to anti-natalisum is that it's generally better to adopt not have a kid. but even that heavily depends on what the kids life would be without me.
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
I think adoption is much better than birthing a child yourself, I mean, there are already so many children and there's little to no difference if you adopt the child early. Obviously ensuring that the foster care system is good systematically is better, but the best thing you can do individually if you want a family is adopting.
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
I'd say a child you birth would have the same life as a child you adopt, unless you, for some reason, treat your children differently.
@user-sd6zb6op1j
Жыл бұрын
@@ErikUden yeah that's Bullshit. The demand for newborn infants far outweighs the supply. The reason for why it is so expensive to adopt a newborn baby (or a baby in general) is because there are far more couples looking to adopt babies than the other way around. Most children in the Foster care system entered it in an older age, the come from troubled homes and many of them cannot even be adopted due to their families having rights on them. It is a myth that everyone can simply adopt a cute little baby instead of procreation. Procreation is both faster and more affordable
@TwizzyTransit
Жыл бұрын
@@user-sd6zb6op1j then adopt a slightly older child and help them grow with the support of a family instead of leaving them in an orphanage
@billcipherproductions1789
Жыл бұрын
Extra Credits?
@nikothelittlelamb
11 ай бұрын
I finally figured out why this channel stands out so much to me, it's the "hopium" thing. Other channels that tackle similar topics as you are terribly pessimistic, so it's nice to see someone with similar philosophies as me (and also restore my faith in humanity when it falters).
@YourGayOverlord
Жыл бұрын
"for some people every moment is agony. People with serious health conditions, manic depressives, Labour Party supporters" Ngl, that got me 😂
@apidas
Жыл бұрын
shut up rainbow
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
People that vote Tories are cucks.
@2Links
Жыл бұрын
unironically though
@chewy99.
Жыл бұрын
Idk anything about the Labour Party but it still made me exhale through my nose
@Wonderingax
Жыл бұрын
It was... unfunny... looking at the screen like 🗿
@presleynotalt5530
Жыл бұрын
My life's shitty. But I'm not going to die without a fight.
@DogginsFroggins
Жыл бұрын
spite is a good enough reason, go for it.
@user-og8tg6bi2d
Жыл бұрын
Breathing is fighting?
@MrStark-up6fi
Жыл бұрын
Besides, wouldn’t it feel good to outlive Nikocado Avocado
@alsyrriad
Жыл бұрын
That’s the spirit. Praying for you, king. 👑
@noriakiboi2452
Жыл бұрын
Based
@Zenit_Bourg
Жыл бұрын
The "life without pain" really resonates with me. Lost my sense of smell recently (not to COVID, i tested negative) and i kinda enjoy it TBH because i used to smell lots of awful thing on my apartment and street. I am not bothered not having to smell nice stuff like food or flowers but my biggest concern is the dangerous things i cannot smell like pesticides, smoke, or gas leaks. It's funny how people can come to the same conclusion from different circumstances, that ability to feel is not inherently good or bad, but it's a tool to minimize the bad and maximize the good.
@wtfimcrying
Жыл бұрын
Me too haha except i cant taste
@raresmocanu1743
Жыл бұрын
While gas leaks are the most critical of times when a sense of smell is important, not realizing the food is spoiled before tasting it or always doubting whether or not you should've taken another shower before going out is much more stressful in daily life.
@sundae4033
Жыл бұрын
Did you lose it permanently?
@Chipsfish1
Жыл бұрын
i've had a similar condition since birth!!!! i don't know if it has a proper name, but i just call it "nose-blind." one time the neighbors in my apartment were doing something-or-other to their apartment with dangerous chemicals. they had not told anybody, but i guess they didn't need to since the smell was supposedly so pungent. i couldn't smell a thing and started feeling light-headed, but my mom came home and immediately got me out of there. it can be seriously scary.
@momchi98
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it was your intention, but this to me is kinda similar to the antinatalist argument. WHen you had a sense of smell you could smell both good and bad things, but atleast 5 months ago when you wrote this comment you enjoyed the lack of smell. A person who doesn't exist can't enjoy their nonexistence, but it can be preferential even if you miss out on good times simply because the bad times are either much more frequent or affect you much harder than the good times.
@jhunt5578
Жыл бұрын
Yeah anti-natalism always fell flat for me when members asserted that people are somehow wrong or delusional about the fact that they *do* want to live.
@xoma_2398
Жыл бұрын
For a living person to say that life is worth is completely valid because we have noting better, but for non existing person it maybe completely opposite.
@wrigglenightbug8679
Жыл бұрын
@V I Λ That literally doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that we want to live. I'm sorry that all of us rabid animals are living happier and more fulfilling lives than you, the very smart yet brooding and depressed intellectual. There's no way to be wrong about wanting to live, even if it is, according to you, just instinct. Our personal feelings and emotions outweigh any perceived notion of biological wrongdoing you may have, because at the end of the day, we're all our own intelligent (sometimes relatively, sometimes not) individuals, not just a bunch of instinct-driven animals. I guess what I'm trying to say is.... L opinion lmao
@ponponpatapon9670
Жыл бұрын
@V I Λ this is the same reason why religion is so pervasive, it's a coping mechanism first and foremost. even top intellectuals often never question the religion they were indoctrinated into at birth, simply because of how easily our reason can be circumvented
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
That is by no means what antinatalism is about and this video heavily misrepresents it. Antinatalism is what it says, against birth, not against living. It argues that birthing a child is, possibly, inherently immoral, never is it stated that you shouldn't want to live, that's a death cult, don't put the two together. Watch the video by Solar Sands, it represents this topic much better.
@eyeballqueenofrats
Жыл бұрын
as someone who agrees with anti-natalist philosophies, that is not true. people who are alive do want to live, but only because they were born with a survival instinct. if they were never born, they could not want to live at all because they would not exist. also, as a britmonkey fan, this video is bad and does not properly represent anti-natalist arguments
@swedishfish2357
Жыл бұрын
You convinced me life is worth living as soon as I saw Harambe in heaven. Just the chance to join him, no matter how slight, makes the gamble of life worth it
@bleep0004
Жыл бұрын
According to most religions which believe in heaven you can't end up there. There is no way you haven't broken one of those laws.
@swedishfish2357
Жыл бұрын
@@bleep0004 I said no matter how slight!
@marypalmer00
Жыл бұрын
I SWEAR YOURE RIGHT I feel the same. and seeing Robbie Williams there. I mean I don't actually believe in heaven but- just to live life and be able to enjoy amazing people (and creatures) who also live or have lived is quite rewarding
@jk-gb4et
Жыл бұрын
@@bleep0004 most of those religions have a way to repent for the broken laws
@Raptor810Blue
Жыл бұрын
@@loturzelrestaurantSecond Thought is hilarious
@valeriostsoumpas1376
7 ай бұрын
Hey man, amazing video. It is very refreshing to finally hear somebody who doesn’t acts like being depressed = smart and better than everyone. A lot of people had been inconvenienced by minor things and think that life would s unbearable while ignoring that we can enjoy so much traveling, eating, knowledge, other cultures and so much more. I was somebody like that, until I realized that I just allowed my mind to rot in its own bubble
@runkku8721
Жыл бұрын
These were some good points against antinatalism. I've been kind of aligning myself with it for a while now, since when I'm at my worst I truly resent my parents for having me. Can't help but think that antinatalist views come from a place of personal pain and suffering that's projected onto others, with a touch of elitism as well. Seeing the experience of life as simply pain and pleasure is a simplification, it's far richer and more meaningful than that. Thanks for bringing this to light. This is a very important topic to address since there are a lot of people like me who would benefit from a different viewpoint, for their mental well-being.
@jtzr1371
Жыл бұрын
Nah it mainly comes from a place called "The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for P0pu1ation Ctrl"
@Cecilia-ky3uw
Жыл бұрын
Have you observed David Benatar's argument
@plantain.1739
Жыл бұрын
There's a difference between "I philosophically think reproduction is immoral." and "I would probably not make a good parent, and thus shall not have children." You have enough self awareness to realize this is your experiences, unlike anti-natalists.
@Cecilia-ky3uw
Жыл бұрын
@@plantain.1739 As my above response, David Benatar's argument ignores this and will tell you if you experience a small paper cut and only that pain in your whole life, your life was not worth starting(but since he also analogises it like a bad movie, probably worth continuing specifically in this case).
@bunceman4613
Жыл бұрын
I have slight anxiety, and many times it's negative effects on me. But the truth is that anxiety is a natural emotion, its purpose is to filter your actions so that you think twice about how you present yourself. I initially wanted to elimate my anxiety, but I understand that it's just a natural tool and I just have to understand how and why it effects me the way it does. Emotions aren't just simply positive or negative, but they are our brains way of indicating importance. I feel that many people that know they have negative traits wish to elimate those traits. If someone struggles with fear they need to elimate their fear, if someone suffers from anger they need to elimate that anger etc. But I think that's too simple. Life isn't just pleasure or pain, and neither is the emotional spectrum.
@lucaswalusr2694
Жыл бұрын
BritMonkey: *mentions abortion* Me: *neuron activation* BritMonkey: Don't you dare touch that comment section! Me: Fair... Fair statement
@wuwubean
Жыл бұрын
As a disabled person I really hate how some of these guys use us to fuel their argument. I have chronic pain, so for me life literally is painful all of the time. But does that mean I would be better off not existing? Hell no! I’m still glad I’m alive and able to experience things, even if it sucks a lot of the time.
@lucioh1575
Жыл бұрын
Except you're just saying you'd rather continue your life now that you are born. You wouldn't have been wronged if you were just never born.
@Josh-oj9mm
Жыл бұрын
@@lucioh1575 He is quite literally not saying that you blind dipshit
@b.o.j.1442
Жыл бұрын
@@lucioh1575 Non existence is not a state of living. You cannot wrong someone who isn’t there. Swallow a bullet and figure it out for yourself.
@lucioh1575
Жыл бұрын
@@b.o.j.1442 Exactly. But if you create them, they can be wronged. Therefore to minimize harm, not giving birth is better.
@justifiedhomicide5730
Жыл бұрын
It really just be like, 'think of the octillions of people who don't exist... they, don't exist... so, who cares?' What gives? ... what gives. Why is that thought so detrimental to some people. Why ascribe so much meaning to that which doesn't exist? Why be so hot and bothered about the thought of someone who doesn't exist, of which there are an infinite number of, just continuing to not matter. Like, go a head, make more people, it's their potential, nothing physically stopping anyone. It doesn't bother me at all, and still I'm """anti-natalist""" technically. This doesn't deserve to be a controversial topic at all, frankly.
@nebula6780
Жыл бұрын
The indifferent cruelty of the universe shits itself when the indomitable human spirit walks in
@victory8928
Жыл бұрын
I mean I think it still doesn’t care we also don’t really care much about its indifference though
@bun197
3 ай бұрын
the indomitable spirit of imaginary cope
@ADurXD
Жыл бұрын
This was so incredibly moving for me, Thank you so much Mr. British Primate.
@pablopereyra7126
Жыл бұрын
English Baboon
@juiceoverflow
Жыл бұрын
British primates gotta be my favorite earth animal fr 💯
@cybr69lol
Жыл бұрын
Videos like these really make me appreciate life more somehow
@zainmudassir2964
Жыл бұрын
Guys, I think being alive is kinda based
@mism847
4 ай бұрын
Based
@anonymous-mq7ce
Жыл бұрын
I think why we don't just kill ourselves if we think that life is meaningless is because we have a survival instinct.
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
This is basically the fundamental thrust behind Terror Management Theory, which if I'm allowed to way, way oversimplify it asserts that the whole of human endeavor is a way to cope with the terror of being aware of our own mortality by chasing immortality. This most often takes the form of symbolic "immortality projects" that people put themselves into, the classic idea of living on through your work, your children, or in the hearts of your countrymen. More literal immortality projects, seeking literal immortality rather than symbolic immortality, would include things like most religions and the transhumanist movement. In fact an anti-natalist who subscribes to the TMT view of things would see this entire video as one massive coping mechanism in denial of the most immutable and fundamental realities of life, those being pain and death.
@zaidnava7200
Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158 yet oddly enough, i started to panic at the thought of living forever
@winzigerflashendeckel6894
9 ай бұрын
Well why should live be meaningless? We can make our own meaning and goals.
@ECPAMALINS
6 ай бұрын
Dude antinatalism says life is just not worth begining ,but worth continuing if unfortunately one came
@Dragosteaa
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for illustrating & putting into words my worldview & my faith which I reflect upon almost every day. Thank you for your perspective. I am so grateful to be alive in this time of relative peace, prosperity, the internet, discussion, learning, enlightenment & transcendence 💜
@bilboo1943
Жыл бұрын
Iubirea?
@MisterSpeedStacking
Жыл бұрын
2:20 i was fully expecting "but you know who doesn't go to hell? people who use nordvpn" or some shit
@J0hnHenrySNEEDen
Жыл бұрын
What happens when you use the construct of the devil that is wired headphones and not the sponsor of this video Raycon. Wires bad Raycon good!
@jackwilliams4087
Жыл бұрын
Same
@Kiwi-fl8te
Жыл бұрын
I am often quite pissed off that I exist, and sometimes I am glad that I exist. It's unfair for me to blame my parents for making me exist, but that doesn't mean I owe them anything for bringing me into existence either. (I would rather be grateful to them for feeding me than be grateful to them for making me)
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
Precisely. Glad to see some sane comments.
@excalibro8365
Жыл бұрын
I'd say it's completely fair to blame your parents for your existence if you want to, for they're 100% responsible for bringing you into the world. It's just that most of the time, blaming one's parents is just a waste of cognitive energy, so it's not a good thing either.
@corneliuscapitalinus845
Жыл бұрын
Brandon Good on them. The essence of life is not utilitarian harm reduction.
@Kiwi-fl8te
Жыл бұрын
@@corneliuscapitalinus845 Could you elaborate on what you mean by "the essence of life"?
@Kiwi-fl8te
Жыл бұрын
@Brandon Tran The game "The Talos principle" has introduced me to some interesting ideas about the possibility of a human desire for building a legacy. Essentially, one of humanity's potential evolutionary advantage is the ability to use one's life to build structures and knowledge that can be passed on to future generations and improve their survivability. Through the process of evolution we might have thus developed an affinity for building "legacies", for passing on the torch, and in its more stripped down form, to "leave a mark". (Detour: There's a game called "One hour, one life" with its concept centered around using the combined efforts of individuals with relatively short lives to build enduring settlements and a civilization.) So yes, humans might have a tendency to favor their "civilization", sometimes over the comfort of individuals. This is an hypothesis. And this also not a statement that any of this is or would be "bad" or "good", which I consider relative. But it is an opportunity to learn more about how we function.
@user-si7hi1mb2d
Жыл бұрын
It's always satisfying to watch your videos. Your channel perhaps accounts for very tiny percent of the meaning of my life.
@Alpacachino_
Жыл бұрын
The only reason i'm alive is to eat yummy things
@nalat1suket4nk0
Жыл бұрын
Being alive is... being alive
@MediumDSpeaks
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@jernaugurgeh451
Жыл бұрын
Especially if you live in a society.
@liberalcitydweller
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. It’s not an inherently desirable or undesirable state. There is no shadow realm that unborn people exist in and are potentially happy about; they simply don’t exist at all. Life is the fundamental condition that we exist in, and it’s up to us to live lives that we’re happy with.
@quinnadam3024
Жыл бұрын
It's kinda shit though
@nalat1suket4nk0
Жыл бұрын
@@quinnadam3024 true true
@andrewschubert7091
Жыл бұрын
An interesting point about the statistics around suicide survivors is the concept of the survivorship bias. I would argue that people who truly wanted to die would be more likely to succeed, and be dead and unable to say that they wish they hadnt died or wish they had lived.
@bleep0004
Жыл бұрын
Also the fact that people who loved them starting acting better and they felt more useful in life after that.
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
Also the fact that the media is more likely to report on happy suicide survivors than depressed ones. "Depressed man remains depressed" doesn't make the papers for the same reason why "Plane takes off and lands safely without incident" doesn't grab headlines. The news doesn't report on the ordinary.
@notfounderrornotfound
Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158 This is a study asking suicide survivors about their experiences and perspectives, NOT media reports. What you're describing doesn't apply here.
@cosmologicalturtle9528
Жыл бұрын
They probably would be more likely to succeed, but even assuming that everyone who truly wants to die succeeds at the first attempt, less than 4% of suicide attempts are successful, so it’s a pretty negligible group to consider.
@micgooflander95
Жыл бұрын
Also the fact that pro-lifers won't allow us safe and effective ways of dying. Partly because making suicide so risky and so difficult creates the false impression that the pro-life consensus is far larger than it actually is.
@winzigerflashendeckel6894
9 ай бұрын
I just want to say: "if your ship is sinking, dont sink everybody elses ship"
@endxofxeternity
2 ай бұрын
Or don’t build more sinking ships….
@winzigerflashendeckel6894
2 ай бұрын
@@endxofxeternity i am pretty sure anti nathalism isn't genetic.
@fuka1000000
2 ай бұрын
@@winzigerflashendeckel6894 IQ, height, metabolism, imunity, facial structure, Big 5 traits, and many more sure are...
@svenyboyyt2304
Ай бұрын
People have a valid argument that makes me sad = they are trying to make me sad because they are sad. Stupid argument.
@bonafidemonafide7810
Жыл бұрын
Funniest part to me is the fact all the "pro-unalive academics" are all 60+ years old
@80ki68
Жыл бұрын
But all of their fans are like 12
@bonafidemonafide7810
Жыл бұрын
@@80ki68 12-25 year old redditors after not getting laid: "Dost thou haveth reason to live?"
@bonafidemonafide7810
Жыл бұрын
@@vapingcat9615 Any age can get depressed yeah thats true but it does say a lot that your anti-alive movement is made up of people who've lived their lives and make a good buck off of their book sales and seminars about their "ideology"
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you dismiss people's statements and arguments for who they are or their age. This is how arguments should work, I think, and it's very fair to just not even consider the validity of an argument if you can merely make fun of the person that says it!
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
@@80ki68“hahahaha, your argument must be so wrong because some of your followers have a certain age, that allows me to not even consider what you're saying or think about it” Ad hominen.
@papal1500
Жыл бұрын
I actually agree with Jordan Peterson. Basically his argument is is basically "There is nothing wrong with you existing in the world, even if it may have negative environmental impacts. You're existence isn't a burden, and the world would not be better off without you."
@Slumpfer
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, so much for this video. I’ve been in an endless pit of despair, overthinking everything about life, death, and what it means to be happy. I want to show my gratitude in a better way, but this is the best I can do. Thanks, britmonkey. ❤
@energeticstunts993
Жыл бұрын
get through it king. Pain is a teacher, you learn from it.
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
@@energeticstunts993 Said like someone who's never been in or seen someone they love in chronic pain. All that sort of pain has taught me is that death with dignity laws are far too strict.
@energeticstunts993
Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158 still, I don't mean to ignore your pain. I'm sure it's difficult, however don't assume that I don't know what it's like. All people have seen / gone through tough shit, we think we have it worse than everyone, very often you realize that's not the case. But what's after pain? Pain is a state, it's a suffering that if you try to avoid, often will lead to more suffering, so what's after pain once you learn and recover. It's happiness and pride that you made it, life is never linear, unless you're mental health needs work of course
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
@@energeticstunts993 Tell me, what does a child have to learn from the pain that comes with severe spinal meningitis? What did the victims of the Holocaust learn from the pain of choking to death on poison gas? What does an Alzheimer's patient learn from the pain of losing themselves to the point of forgetting how to breathe? Your talking points that you ripped from every white Midwestern youth pastor to ever grope a fourteen year old kind of fall apart when you apply them to any pain more severe than a WiFi outage or getting stood up at the homecoming dance. Pain isn't a teacher, it is an evil to be avoided or minimized at all costs. Nothing minimizes the pains of life moreso than never entering into it. That which doesn't kill you sometimes makes you stronger, but sometimes it just leaves you wishing it finished the job.
@zdravkogeorgiev7201
Жыл бұрын
You know this video didn't really prove anything your life is still meaningless (unless you're religious or spiritual) existance is still inherently not better or worse than non-existance To add to this because this could be easily misinterpreted your existance by itself is not good or bad or even meaningful. Your life on the other hand may have meaning within reality but that's something else
@km077
Жыл бұрын
As a dead person I can legally confirm that being alive is good, actually.
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
I will use this comment and cite it in a research paper, thank you
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
The sources 'real' scientists are too afraid to use
@dbelow_1556
Жыл бұрын
"The dead know only one thing, it is better to be alive"
@gotanygrapes831
Жыл бұрын
Imagine being born in North Korea and being told someone in your family committed a crime against the state as soon as you understand you exist.
@teddyfurstman1997
Жыл бұрын
Glad I'm alive thanks to this video.
@matthewalden
Жыл бұрын
I do like living. But, if I never live then I never knew how good it is and how much I will suffer but to pull through anyway. Not all get to do this cause luck. My life is as good as I want it to be.
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
Sounds a bit victim blamey when you apply that line of thinking to people with legitimately shit lives. Not much the power of positive thinking can do for you when you're starving to death.
@matthewalden
Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158 The sentence maybe made that impression. The gist of it is that I want to live as I found a reason for it. Not all can be lucky and not much you can do especially you yourself are struggling. Well, you can give money to charity, but I prefer hands on approach or at least materials and education instead of money. Those who are in famine struggles to meet their physical needs and those who are in richness lacks emotional support due to pursuit of wealth. People struggle and most of the time I can't know about it due my life pursuit of wealth, power and desire. I as much as anyone wants a better living. Those who are legit in deep shit can't be help if I myself don't help myself. Positive thinking WILL not save them. You can help them but TRY SAVING ALL OF THEM. Not just that's impossible as I myself unfortunately have a mortal limit. Not to say we must abandon them to life of suffering but just saying there is so much you could do until the rest of them who you aren't able help in time or resources cries and calls you out to be cherry picking SCUMBAG. Yes, not all. Some are glad to even be help the slightest. But you sort of get the meaning. Saving people is great but when it is done incorrectly you create another problem. Like giving Adidas donating shoes to the African children. Great things to do right? Except the local shoemaker who used old technique that are unable to compete with the industrialized west goods lost their source of income. You need to let them to be able to become independent and not feed them like a pet. In the end I'm just typing this to justify my life. I think that's not a bad desire to have you know continue living. You never knew what my current state of living I'm in. I'm just lucky to have a computer. Someone can judge me by my book cover, but they'll never understand why my thoughts are in this way because I'm a stranger on the internet and by default people can assume that I have the same standard of living as them. Not trying to guilt trip you and I know you are just pointing out my comment, so I don't mind since I want to do some expression and practice typing. Good day to you for replying to me.
@wiesorix
Жыл бұрын
Great video! It starts off pretty dry, talking mostly about facts and making logical arguments, but towards the end it becomes very emotional and uplifting. It's the perfect arc for this subject!
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
Emotions are the last resort of people who have no good arguments. There's a reason why you never see uplifting emotional arcs in scientific journals.
@Mewtwodestroyer
Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158 Itz not really an argument, its more of a memorable conclusion. If you want the arguments, you can watch the middle of the video. Thats why its at the end.
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
@@Mewtwodestroyer Still, if I wanted emotions I'd watch a movie. When I want philosophy I want solid argumentation all the way through. TBF even when this video is in argumentation mode it's more flaccid than hard. None of the antinatalist philosophers whom this guy blatantly misrepresents and ignores, like Les U. Knight, David Benatar, or Thomas Ligotti, go full Disney mode to wrap things up.
@SurplusTrader
Жыл бұрын
Showed this as a prank to my uncle,he is a death row inmate
@ariovistus1491
Жыл бұрын
As a Buddhist, yes life necessitates suffering, it is still very fortunate to be born as a human because it provides you the opportunity to learn from the Buddha and escape suffering.
@ilcondottierocartografo6770
Жыл бұрын
Or else you will become a cow in the next life
@nowhereman6019
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. In Buddhism you need the cycle of reincarnation in order to gather enough karma over your many lives so you can eventually escape it.
@excalibro8365
Жыл бұрын
The opportunity to learn how to escape suffering is entirely unnecessary if you've never been exposed to said suffering in the first place. Therefore I wouldn't say that to be born>not to be born. Not an anti-natalist btw.
@ZTanMURReneRs
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I think this fundamentally negative attitude to life is one of the big reasons Buddhism doesn't work for me, even as just a philosophy.
@angevinpiedpied6813
Жыл бұрын
@@excalibro8365 I'm pretty sure in buddhism , you exist even before you are born but just as a different being. Being born as a human is the only way to escape suffering.
@johnpaulcross424
Жыл бұрын
I actually grappled with an anti natalist viewpoint after enduring some hard times in life, thinking about how awful it would be to bring someone into a world that could potentially be so much worse. I came to the conclusion for the time being that life hasn’t been the worst for me and if I do bring someone into the world, it’s my duty to provide them with every opportunity to have the best life possible, and to try and help them until I no longer can.
@notfounderrornotfound
Жыл бұрын
@Sue your parents for bringing you into this world I'm glad my parents had me
@Prespanda
Жыл бұрын
@Sue your parents for bringing you into this world I can't stand the moral absolutism that you are presenting. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true.
@sharkquark6252
Жыл бұрын
the only thing I was able to read in your arguments is fear and a lack of confidence. Nothing more. Life is never miserable for anyone, no matter what a hardship it is. Because the whole thing about life is hardship. That’s the enjoyable part. I know you probably won’t get this for now and will try to argue against it, but don’t try it. Give life a chance. Go outside and life. Make new experiences and don’t bother with bad experiences, be accepting, recognising but indifferent to pain and thankful to joy. Then you’ll be able to understand my comment. You may now say that I’m just talking weird shit, however I was at a similar position like you once and even didn’t really want to live. However I did exactly what I just described and now I understand it, the marvel and the meaning of life.@Born, exist, suffer, die! Antinatalist
@calmiken
Жыл бұрын
Ideally there should be much more thought before someone decided to birth a kid, to ensure that if you do create a new human you can reliably promise they will have a great life
@gljames24
Жыл бұрын
This is why contraceptives should be readily available.
@matthiuskoenig3378
Жыл бұрын
I disagree, your parents are not the sole defining factor on whether you will have a good life or not. There are far, far too many things for anyone to be able to take into a count and actually be sure and therefore that judgement can not be made. Nor do i agree we can make the judgement for other people on what is a good or bad life, these things are subjective. There are even people who enjoy pain... I do think people should be careful when outing themselves into 'potential parental activities' but not because of judgements about the child's life as a whole but because they need to know the consequences of their actions and be able to take responsibility.
@svensvensson1085
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure. Personally, I'd take a shit life over non-existance.
@svensvensson1085
Жыл бұрын
@Brandon Tran i'm not sure why you said it diracted at me since I've never claimed it to be not so. If the reason for your response was thinking i was talking to you, I was responing to the first comment we're commenting on. Also, straight up did not understood what you said either. Forcing the belife i had or forcing someone to have a kid becoase i think they should not care about their situation?
@svensvensson1085
Жыл бұрын
@Brandon Tran why?
@theo7044
Жыл бұрын
Heavier topic than what I usually expect from this channel but thought you covered this very well. Looking forward to more videos in the future👍
@ladyreverie7027
Жыл бұрын
The idea that a nonexistent being can have rights is ridiculous. Only existent things can have rights. Only existent things can have will that can be violated. If something doesn't exist it can't have a will that's violated. In fact in the nature of being conceived - cells from two conscious humans come together to combine to be a singular entity. So if the parents consent to sex and conception, at that point it's THEIR CELLS that they're consenting to combine. After all each individual is not completely singular but a combination of the gametes of our parents.
@mint-o5497
Жыл бұрын
Not really how consent works though is it. A being doesnt magically consent to exist because the 2 beings its made from 'consented'. the minds of the 2 consenting beings is separate from the being they make.
@notfounderrornotfound
Жыл бұрын
@@mint-o5497 But the thing that came into existence, that supposedly didn't consent to existing... didn't yet exist to be able to consent or to specifically not consent though. You gain the ability to consent once you are created, when you gain consciousness. Whenever you pick up a rock from the ground, the rock doesn't consent to being picked up, but that is irrelevant, because the rock isn't sentient.
@etruscanetwork
11 ай бұрын
@@notfounderrornotfoundBut in the case of procreation it's going to be a sentient being later, the being is not able to consent while it doesn't exist, however isn't it better to not do something potentially dangerous to someone when the person is unable to consent?
@notfounderrornotfound
11 ай бұрын
@@etruscanetwork How could a being that doesn't yet exist take any decision? Whether you give birth to another being or you don't, you're making that decision for them at the end of the day. Consent is about letting someone decide their fate, which necessitates them existing in the first place to be able to make decisions. You cannot consent to existing or to not existing before you're born, because you don't exist yet.
@etruscanetwork
11 ай бұрын
@@notfounderrornotfound Exactly what I'm saying, the being can't take the decision, thefore it's wrong to take the decision for them They don't exist yet, but if you take the decision of putting them into existence they're going to be existent, however that's a decision made by you, which you could just not have made Is it too complicated to understand that you're forcing someone to exist?
@AgenteOf
Жыл бұрын
Live is chaos, we can't understand all of it, but that doesn't mean we can't appreciate some of it.
@kingleothesomethingsomethi285
Жыл бұрын
@@honeckr1497 we need to arrest him for it.
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
Isn't your right to make someone live through it, though.
@AgenteOf
Жыл бұрын
@@ErikUden But it isn't your right to deny it either.
@sonetagu1337
Жыл бұрын
Minor spelling mistake, i shall destroy plulto and NGC 87
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
@@AgenteOf kinda very much is tho. Right to abortion + right to not have sex exist. Where tf are you from where you're forced to give birth?
@samadhir
Жыл бұрын
It's nice to finally see a video response to antinatalism that doesn't get massively downvoted. This was a fantastic and uplifting video, Britmonkey, and you did us a good service in putting it out on KZitem.
@antinataliz9633
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, it's a bad response.
@applesandgrapesfordinner4626
Жыл бұрын
@@antinataliz9633 Subjective. You can't please everyone
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
Oh we'll find this one. This is honestly just as bad as Jordie Peterson's response to it, fundamentally misunderstanding and outright lying about our positions and lines of reasoning, just with delusions of philosophical rigor.
@antinataliz9633
Жыл бұрын
@@applesandgrapesfordinner4626 if u are pleased by bad logic and fallacies, this video is right up your alley.
@applesandgrapesfordinner4626
Жыл бұрын
@@antinataliz9633 Thing is, life isn't logical neither. You either embrace the unusual or bemoean how it doesn't make sense.
@Cyrenetes
Жыл бұрын
The stat about 70% of suicide attemptees regretting it pales in comparison to 0% of suicide victims regretting anything ever again.
@spaghettiisyummy.3623
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I can attest to that being true, since i am a Necromancer.
@PetroBeherha
Жыл бұрын
So, 70% chance you'll be glad you didn't commit die and 100% chance you'll be glad if you did? I like those odds. 😁
@sebp9882
2 ай бұрын
literal survivorship bias
@Gloverfield
Жыл бұрын
I don't know why, but this made me even more depressed...
@yehudatheodoros6547
Жыл бұрын
I like this. Gonna play the Solarsands voluntary extinction video later and make them fight in my head like bugs in a jar
@willywonka3050
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Britmonkey. I needed this today.
@Imanfly
Жыл бұрын
Anti-Natalism is boring, let's talk about legalizing voluntary medically assisted suicide
@gracewenzel
Жыл бұрын
Pain is a tool given to us by nature to help us live a full life… That is golden. Edit: Thanks to you all for reminding me why I should never go in the KZitem comments section. I hope you treat the people in your life with more kindness than you do strangers on the Internet.
@C4Oc.
Жыл бұрын
Except that it becomes kind of meaningless when even walking can feel painful
@francisdec1615
Жыл бұрын
I sometimes ask people saying that pain is good if I can meet them IRL and punch them in the face as hard as I can or pull a tooth without anesthetics. I have even offered them $1000 if they let me do it. Strangely no one accepted my offer. Fucking hypocrites living a lie!
@excalibro8365
Жыл бұрын
Only if you survived the pain and got back up.
@blugaledoh2669
Жыл бұрын
@@excalibro8365 most people do
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
Ask a kid in a chronic pain ward how full their life is. Good fortune cookie filler doesn't make for good philosophy.
@np7736
Жыл бұрын
I think I’ve had a good experience with life so far. There’s been a lot of bad moments and I’m even in a rough point right now, but so far I think life has been a good experience for me. 7/10 Would live again
@tykep1009
Жыл бұрын
Even prisoners can be lively if they work to create something, such as building a ship or plowing a field. But, if forced to do meaningless labor, such as repeatedly digging and filling holes, they are miserable and suffer. No matter how challenging the environment is if there is something over which you have control and in which you can experience growth and development, people can live happily. Finding and keeping such things is a tricky part, though.
@whittakerman4305
Жыл бұрын
“Life is suffering and choosing to bring someone into it is immoral” how do we know that not existing is not suffering?, we never will know because we exist.
@antinataliz9633
Жыл бұрын
Are u claiming that there are nonexistent souls currently suffering? That's a big claim for which I doubt u have any evidence.
@amentrison2794
Жыл бұрын
@@antinataliz9633 agreed, but at least for me, it's just an acknowledgement of the inherent gap in our knowledge.
@Matteus2109
Жыл бұрын
It's so absolute in its adamant assertion of the pessimism of life, it's impossible to really argue with anti-natalism
@antinataliz9633
Жыл бұрын
Define "adamant assertion of the pessimism of life". I'm an antinatalist and in my years of debating people I have not encountered a single logical counterargument to it. So it's really just that antinatalism is one of the most logical philosophies out there that is what makes it unassailable.
@Matteus2109
Жыл бұрын
@@antinataliz9633 You did watch the video, right? It's as Brit said, there is no counterargument to it because it's subjective. It's an OPINION. You say life sucks, I say, while it can suck, there's still things in it to make it worth living. There's no way to go from here.
@antinataliz9633
Жыл бұрын
@@Matteus2109 Brit strawmanned antinatalists. Go read up on antinatalism before u come and debate. This video is full of misinformation.
@dylanlimoeiro7596
Жыл бұрын
@@antinataliz9633 how ?
@antinataliz9633
Жыл бұрын
@@dylanlimoeiro7596 wdym how? he strawmanned us. we don't claim life is necessarily overall bad.
@epicgamerman420
Жыл бұрын
Historia civilis, britmonkey, and Sam o nella. what a week
@geisaune793
Жыл бұрын
This channel is such a gem. Maybe I just happen to agree with most of his viewpoints but the percentage of really good videos on this channel, for me, is way higher than most other channels and comparable to, like, Vsauce. And he's opened my eyes to a lot of really good ideas. The videos on Georgism, banning cars, not being a climate change doomer, the British Constitution, the Housing Crisis, eradication of smallpox. For me, they've all been really memorable.
@MegaLuros
Жыл бұрын
I don't think most anti natalist are really hardcore anti-natalists. I think most see it as a conceptual framework. I like the idea because it really asks the fundamental question "why the fuck are we making babies actually?". I have the feeling that this very question is seldom asked, and sometimes just asking it will be met with very violent reactions. I think there is nothing to lose pondering this question before making 8 kids.
@francisdec1615
Жыл бұрын
Most people are egoists and cowardly conformists, that's why they procreate. "I want a mini-me." "What will people think of me if I'm childless?" Etc.
@grump6006
Жыл бұрын
Still getting that Vasectomy.
@razaali4616
Жыл бұрын
I seriously can’t tell if this man is a hard core socialist or the most right wing person I have ever met. Every sentence makes me change my mind.
@xanderhug
Жыл бұрын
He’s a Georgist so both
@pluralizes01
Жыл бұрын
SO UNDERRATED KEEP GOING NEED MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS
@celestee2264
Жыл бұрын
WHY DO YOU WRITE LIKE AN ANDROID?
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
1. It is the parents of the child that decide whether to bring it to life or not, not the unborn child itself. 2. Bringing a child to the world will lead it to live good and bad moments, but also attain virtues, possibly become a good person and help society (again depending on the responsible parenting of the child) 3. Therefore, giving birth to a child is a very good thing, especially when combined with appropriate parenting.
@thebigmanskeet6969
6 ай бұрын
I thought my life was bad until I stopped listening to people whining that life is bad, worked on myself, found the love of my life and found my own joy.
@dynaspinner64
5 ай бұрын
Misery loves company.
@spazzohawk9591
Жыл бұрын
The western cowboy music playing over a man with a gun standing over children is a nice touch
@bannarkrayt4729
Жыл бұрын
This is the song: Il Lupo - Music by Tino Danielzik
@edwardcardozo8325
Жыл бұрын
The nihilist and antinatalist sheeting on the comment section hahahahah
@adityapatkar7832
Жыл бұрын
the dreamers and breeders getting trashed on the comment section hahahahah
@adityapatkar7832
Жыл бұрын
@@Hwje1111 see for yourself.
@Sam_Sam2
Жыл бұрын
@@adityapatkar7832 see deez nuts gottem
@sebdufutur6141
Жыл бұрын
Keep up spreading humanism to the youtube algorythm, you're doing a great work at it. Her'e a comment helping you with that.
@slevinchannel7589
Жыл бұрын
How dare i be sad. How dare i be sad just because Everything i ever considered negative currently celebrates an ongoing Growthspurt?
@hiplsnols4394
Жыл бұрын
@@slevinchannel7589 he never said being sad is a bad thing, he just believes that u shouldnt end the human race because u got rejected by ur goth crush in school
@makhnomite9727
Жыл бұрын
I had a moment of brief support for antinatalism, but now i wonder who exactly is "spared" of suffering for not being born. Suffering and pleasure are both aspects of being alive, unless there's a dimension external to life where our consciousness sits in complete stillness, there's no "neutral" state to not being born.
@hanscarlosirch8044
Жыл бұрын
PLEASE continue uploading! I love your videos!
@jobeduckworth5430
Жыл бұрын
Never ever have I seen such topics so well articulated. Amazing content
@suckassmork2972
Жыл бұрын
Pain is the indication of an Unhealthy Life. Damn. That's a quote to live for.
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
Crazy concept, who could've known, if you're in pain you're not living a healthy life, thank you for this wisdom
@delicioushomemadestrawberr8730
Жыл бұрын
I mean... Not always, if you accidentally cut yourself with a knife it doesn't mean that your life was unhealthy :d One needs to be able to recognize the differences between the different types of pain.
@excalibro8365
Жыл бұрын
It's not a quote of wisdom, but sheer ignorance. Tell that to people who had been kidnapped, then raped, and just ended up killed that their pain is because they lived an unhealthy life. Oh wait you can't, they're dead already...
@blugaledoh2669
Жыл бұрын
@@excalibro8365 Mate really? You didn’t have go that far.
@blugaledoh2669
Жыл бұрын
@@delicioushomemadestrawberr8730 Pain is meant to indicated there is a problem.
@kucicek6313
Жыл бұрын
I died via i quadbike accident (i did become paraplegic and now im in pain every day and soo much health complications i cant even name them all) and it was such a beautiful experience (I never felt such a beautiful felling of love) You cant find this kind of love on earth but in death. Two months after ambulance people did brink me back to life i was telling everybody, my mom, brothers, nurses, doctors etc, that they dont have to be afraid of death and how beautiful it is. Now after 4 years im again afraid of death like everybody else. Im not in any cult like sh1t but i decided to not have kid (not to force anybody to live life), but im open to adoption etc, since somebody else forced that person here and i cant do anything about it but love that person. Somehow what i brink here from death is that such iracional thing like love is very important for us and life. But from that day i never experienced a day without thinking about death and how free i felt when the chains of time leave me, it was scary at first but then it started, love, sooo much fucking Love. btw dont worry about me, Because of love i cant let my family experience the sadnes i would bring to them if i would decide to unalive myself. btw2.: english is not my born language
@Sunkem1Not6Hacks
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I can imagine death being nice, you can finally rest and not have to worry because death doesn't expect anything from you
@jobobminer8843
Жыл бұрын
I haven't really inconsistently laughed at a humourous KZitem video in a long time. Thank you so much for your contribution. You're sharing good information and doing a good job making me laugh at the same time
@SomePotato
Жыл бұрын
If this video makes you want to watch "Who Can Kill a Child?", I'd suggest you watch the original version without subtitles. Half the film is in Spanish, half in English and the female lead doesn't understand a word of Spanish. It made me really connect with her. Only works if you don't speak Spanish, of course.
@GeorgeTheDinoGuy
Жыл бұрын
This video is so fantastically written. Your channel is so great I hope we get more philosophy videos!
@tjenadonn6158
Жыл бұрын
Yes, hopefully we'll get one with actual philosophy instead of knee-jerk reactions and straw men someday. On a long enough timeline anything's possible.
@noriakiboi2452
Жыл бұрын
His policy videos are great too, it's how i found out georgism can pretty much solve most of our problems
@moistkitty8081
Жыл бұрын
this curse ends with me
@abstract5249
Жыл бұрын
This was unconvincing. Wanting to have never been born isn't the same as wanting to undo yourself, so using statistics on the latter is moot. And I would argue the reason why we do anything at all, is because doing nothing would make us even more unhappy.
@samsunguser3148
Жыл бұрын
Now I got a mild fever, I thought I might be dying lmao. If I ever get out of this crap I might treasure life even more. Another experience to note down damn it.
@ehtresih9540
Жыл бұрын
I live out of pure spite and that's all the motivation I will ever need
@cristianm7097
Жыл бұрын
Purge the hatred from your soul and feel compassion for all humans.
@zorktxandnand3774
Жыл бұрын
Just curious how good that works, how old are you?
@norikofu509
11 ай бұрын
I may not be in the best of places rn, but every time i go outside, and i see the beauty this World has to offer, i feel something so great inside
@Bagofnowt
Жыл бұрын
For me, numbness is worse than sadness. Therefore, allowing myself to experience the ups and downs of life is much better than not having experienced anything.
@trasher618
Жыл бұрын
Redditors in shambles
@xoma_2398
Жыл бұрын
Can u point out what am I wrong about? In my opinion Antinatalism is not so terrible its just completely opposes our biases. For a living person to say that life is worth is completely valid because we have noting better, but for non existing person it maybe completely opposite.
@Cecilia-ky3uw
Жыл бұрын
Actually, this video has reinforced many redditors.
@benjaminmontenegro3423
Жыл бұрын
@@xoma_2398 A non existing person doesn't exist, by definition. It can't feel "good", it can't feel "bad" because it can't exist. That, in my humble opinion, automatically makes life better than non-existence (which doesn't mean non-existence is bad btw), because when living, 1. You *exist* 2. You feel pleasure 3. You learn from your mistakes 4. You teach others how to be happier and feel more pleasure.
@jfkplaysUSA
Жыл бұрын
It’s all fun and games tell you get lead poisoning, or cancer.
@ethankoh6851
Жыл бұрын
Living makes me feel alive
@cosmiceyness
Жыл бұрын
i agree
@marconarvaez9871
Жыл бұрын
It kinda feels uncomfortable being a happy person in this comment section 😶 My parents did an amazing job with me and my siblings, and I wish to repay that by eventually giving someone else the happy, though not perfect, life I was lucky to get; raise someone who won't have to ask themselves every night why they exist. Whether adopting or not, it's good either way.
@francisdec1615
Жыл бұрын
There have been kings and emperors and billionaires who cursed that they were ever born, so good luck with that.
@marconarvaez9871
Жыл бұрын
@@francisdec1615 It's not just about money or power, if you have awful parents and many enemies you won't have a good life, simple as; kings and billionaires are prone to both. The vast majority of people prefer to be alive, else we'd be extinct already. It may be different for you, and I'm sorry if that's the case, but while everyone will face hardship, at the end most won't look back and think they shouldn't have even existed, much less understand why someone would look at humanity and wish its extinction.
@francisdec1615
Жыл бұрын
@@marconarvaez9871 I don't believe that at all. Most people are egoists and hypocrites, so they are too cowardly to kill themselves and cope by creating another human being or several, that will suffer and die just like they did. That's how bad most people are. Most of us pessimists and antinatalists don't kill ourselves either, but at least we don't live a lie and we don't cope by forcing existence onto other innocent human beings.
@marconarvaez9871
Жыл бұрын
@@francisdec1615 That's making big assumptions and projecting many things onto others. Cherishing life isn't cowardly, it's strength. There are things to live for; I'm living them right now. You aren't living the truth, you're living rock bottom, and your pessimism binds you there, underplaying any and all joy around you. It doesn't shield you from what is bad, it blinds you to what is good. People aren't cowardly nor egotistical by nature, nor do they choose to have children, when they do, to "cope". It brings us joy to see things grow and flourish, be they born or made. We are a social animal; we want companionship, we make sacrifices for others - we smile together, we weep together. *That* is human nature, unbound from propaganda and preconceptions. There's evil in this world, that is something you know; but that's only half of it all. If you care to hear what the good side of truth is like, the other half of us, watch "What we really are... When everything goes wrong" and "Disabilities in prehistory", both are videos on KZitem. Don't take it as me telling you what to think, because this is not me. These are different people with different struggles, that still see good in man. I'm not trying to "win" an Internet argument against you. I don't resent you, I'm not superior to you, and I'm certainly naive. I've probably not experienced a tenth of the misery you did, and perhaps I wouldn't have the strength to do so. But, that's the thing, isn't it? That there was so much good in the world for people like me, weak as we are, to be happy and naive?
@SomeGuy-so3kk
Жыл бұрын
@@francisdec1615 You project your own despair onto others very readily. You antinatalists truly are a lost people.
@DavidJamesHenry
Жыл бұрын
Being alive and being not alive are both value neutral. Most things are not alive, and they don't complain about it. However, committing suicide is not value neutral, i.e. forcing someone to find your body, forcing your loved ones to worry about you, having them question their own action or inaction, and just, in general, creating more suffering. This is my anti-suicide position, formed after years of suicide ideation.
@DavidJamesHenry
Жыл бұрын
@Brandon Tran uhhhh did you reply to the wrong comment?
@victory8928
Жыл бұрын
Depends honestly, the committing of suicide can be a brief thought that overwhelms someone. I guess that is something to consider, causing net negative cause others close to you find you dead is more nuanced than that. Depends really on how people see it especially since it just add piles guilt onto people who probably are already loaded with guilt.
@SilvesterBathroomStallone
Жыл бұрын
Guilt tripping is hardly the ideal way to stave off suicide en masse, but I get your point.
@Alien_From_Another_Universe
Жыл бұрын
Man I was about to agree until you talked about the suicide stuffs
@Alien_From_Another_Universe
Жыл бұрын
Many people suffer so much that they off themselves to escape which is not what I'm trying to recommend. It's just that guilt tripping someone for it is not the ideal way of stopping suicide
@AvanRoyOfficial
Жыл бұрын
"into this house we're born into this world we're thrown like a dog without a bone and an actor out on loan riders on the storm" - James Douglas Morrison 1943-1971.
@sonetagu1337
Жыл бұрын
"Hey i think the rider is drunk" -Idk i-i
@MatthewCobalt
Жыл бұрын
If I was in the circumstance of deciding to raise a child, I'd prefer to raise one that was brought into this world already but neglected in life. Rather than contributing to the future by bringing another life to this world, I'd rather help bring a brighter future to those that would currently be living it. Of course, what I say may just be empty idealism. But hey, idealism is the spark of action afterall.
@loturzelrestaurant
Жыл бұрын
PURE ANTI-GLOOM: "Positive Leftist News"!!
@tun444
Жыл бұрын
if someone doesnt wanna exist and is forced to exist its the same as someone who wants to exist and doesnt get existed.
@makala.704
6 ай бұрын
There are no people who don't exist who want to. That's just absurd.
@CerisuHakka
Жыл бұрын
Honestly quite a refreshing take considering the amount of discourse I see sympathetic to antinatalism online
@1es782
Жыл бұрын
@@handmade64 Life fun, very enjoyable 10/10 would live it 100000000000 times over, I wake up every day feeling immeasurable joy, deep satisfaction and pleasure over everything and everything that has happened to me. I want more sentient things to experience this.
@1es782
Жыл бұрын
@@handmade64 But I don't care about being selfish, so that's irrelevant to me lol
@nehriim3748
Жыл бұрын
@@handmade64 Just because you think life is bad, doesn't mean others will think life is bad. Right back atcha.
@nehriim3748
Жыл бұрын
@@handmade64 I do not believe one could wrong or not wrong someone who doesn't exist. The video explains this with the abortion argument, showing how silly and extremist it truly is. I did not consent to being born. but if I were not, I'd feel retroactively wronged right now. In the end this way of thinking seems to be incredibly short sighted. As was said in the video, one needs to make risks. A philosophy based around not taking risks of bad outcomes so you are not responsible for said outcomes is one of the most destructive ones that could exist. If you stop doing anything and lay in your bed all day you would prevent yourself from doing anyone any wrong, but its clearly not a preferable way to think.
@nehriim3748
Жыл бұрын
@@handmade64 I would be, because I wouldn't be able to experience life. Who is harmed when you stay in bed all day to make sure you don't accidentally cause a death by the butterfly effect?
@milkkorsmth
Жыл бұрын
You dropped this video precisely the moment I woke up and dreamed that I died.
@ErikUden
Жыл бұрын
This video was made for you, woah
@TheAlison1456
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video I didn't need to hear it, but me and the world definitely need more people that think this way to speak out and teach each other to be resilient. Seriously, try showing someone that the world doesn't have to be bleak, you don't have to suffer just because someone told you to (through an insult, or a formal argument) - they are so appreciative. People need this. I'm sure you'll get people attacking you because they think this is the same thing as naive optimism, alas.
@-AirKat-
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t call myself anti-Natalist, but I’d simply leave it at “birth is not inherently a good thing”
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