Big fan of both Randy and Ben. Everyone can say what they want but foward facing sonar has indeed taken the hunt for bass out of the game. What used to take a huge amount of time on the water to learn seasonal patterns of bass has now been reduced to literally a 10 second scan of an area. For years before foward facing sonar was even invented you had pros that seemed to be always at the top ( VanDam, Brauer, Martin, Nixon , Clunn ect..) Those guys spent immense hours learning and always found their way to the top. Nowadays many tournaments are being won by guys whom come out of nowhere. It certainly seems to me that the tournaments that I see on TV are largely won by the use of foward facing sonar except maybe the Florida tournaments which are far more fun to watch. I think a revolving door of top finishers in the sport has hurt the sponsorship money as well. I think Ben has a point and I think Randy has a point but to say that foward facing sonar has not changed the sport that much is just a straight insult to intelligence.
@mikeleistner1071
9 ай бұрын
💯 agree for those that deny or downplay its impact
@randygoober5909
9 ай бұрын
Did anyone in the video say that it hasn't changed the sport because I didn't hear any of that?
@Lemondrop675
10 ай бұрын
This video was too saturated with movie and show clips to watch comfortably. Maybe tone those down a bit.
@benjiphillips2016
10 ай бұрын
I think and hope viewers would agree with me when I say this, you are both damn good anglers, both pretty good guys. We all are on the same side. We are all students of fishing and we all want to learn new things from any one we can. It's a damn shame people have to knock each other down. You two have pissed each other off. That's to bad because your both decent guys and damn good anglers.
@tubbybuttfishingtennesseem8326
10 ай бұрын
This is the best comment on this video
@greatlakezgirl649
9 ай бұрын
I love watching them both and it was hard for me to watch this. I just came straight to the comments.
@timg185
10 ай бұрын
I’m not on the hate for live scope. But Randy does have some good points. Most tournaments are won now with FFS. It’s changed tournament fishing into something different and a lot of other technics are becoming obsolete.
@RivestFishing
10 ай бұрын
so did side scan when it came out. As the offshore fishing has become easier to do it turns out the bigger fish arent on the bank all year and you cant always compete just beating the bank.
@timg185
10 ай бұрын
@@RivestFishing that’s not really true. You could still compete flipping shallow cover or burning down the bank throwing top water. That more rare now with FFS.
@SgtSlime365
10 ай бұрын
You ever tried fishing shallow with ffs?
@timg185
10 ай бұрын
@@SgtSlime365 a little. So far no success though
@SgtSlime365
10 ай бұрын
@@timg185 In my experience it hardly helps at all
@michaellamb1342
10 ай бұрын
It absolutely doesn’t matter what I think of FFS. It’s currently legal in tournaments so your at a HUGE disadvantage if you don’t have it. Rules are rules after all. Feelings are well….feelings.
@TysonEdwardsFishing
10 ай бұрын
I can agree with Randy on some aspects. When livescope first came out i think the ice fisherman had it first. I got to see it firsthand being an ice fishing tournament angler that regular sonar can not compete with livescope in the same tournament. They can see sideways and locate schools faster and then go fish them to see if they were active. It was a more efficient way to eliminate water and keep moving. No i agree you cant make fish bite by using it but to be more efficient is a huge advantage. I stopped tournament fishing on the ice because at the time i couldnt afford to jump into a livescope unit. I think some of the tournament's around here suffered for it and stopped because guys knew they couldn't compete with it. Then i saw tournaments try to break it into classes livescope with transportation on the ice in one guys with regular sonar walking and guys without any of it. It seemed like a good idea but the price to enter was all the same which is fine but the guys with the most expensive gear and transportation to move around had the highest %of money paid back in winnings over the guys that had to do more work walking and locating which didnt sit well with me. I think the best thing would be to have a completely separate tournament series where live scopes compete with each other and the purists fish againt each other. I also agree with Randy that peaople are losing their ability to use almost a sixth sense for fishing and adapting by relying on it so much to find fish. Lots of guys arent studying fish movement and structure as much anymore because they dont have to. I can also speak for it and i dont own one but will one day. I think maybe letting guys use it for practice only is the way to go and make the tournament days go with regular 2d/si/di. I think they need to try some things and see how it works. Technology is never going to stop so we need to make sure that fisheries are being studied to make sure we arent harming them in the long run. We may see some eventually especially being able to target fish out in the middle of nowhere where they werent being targeted before. The problem may eventually arise when viewership starts dropping for the tournament's on TV.
@davewylie654
9 ай бұрын
They all have it man it's not like an ice fishing tournament. If the whole field can use it how is it an advantage for certain guys????
@TysonEdwardsFishing
9 ай бұрын
@davewylie654 they don't all have it at the tournament's I've fished. The first few years those guys dominated then a few years later they started separating them into their own division. I'm guess enough people felt it was an unfair advantage
@TysonEdwardsFishing
9 ай бұрын
@davewylie654 I miss reading part of your reply. You are saying all the bass tournament guys have it. I would agree most of them do so it's not an advantage in that situation except for the guys that refuse to move into it
@cuivre2004
10 ай бұрын
I got a kick out of Ben saying he thought everything about FFS that needed to be invented, has been invented. I think there was a story about the head of the US patent office in the late 1800's also said that everything that needed to be invented, HAS been invented. Then the sonar expert on the panel basically says they are just scratching the surface, which is what Randy openly said he is afraid of.
@Bosanovadude1
10 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 he’s a man child 🤡
@RetiredCoach
10 ай бұрын
I get both sides. I realize they’re both bass anglers but I’ve noticed a massive change in going and catching crappie. When FFS came out the number of crappie guides went up drastically. I think that over the years we’re going to see a decrease in crappie because of the numbers being kept. I have Livescope and love it. I mainly bass fish and don’t keep any. It helps me find structure to fish. If the bass guys keep fish like the crappie guys I’d be worried but they’re not. I think the number of bass tournaments on certain lakes have a bigger effect on bass than FFS does. Some lakes will multiple tournaments on weekends and jackpots during the week. Bottom line is since Covid more people are out and fishing on lakes. Then you add the new technology that brings out more. I’m concerned about the future of fishing in general. Just my opinion 😊
@Gstar5150
10 ай бұрын
You can't really make much of a dent in the Crappie population, one female can lay like 50,000 eggs and the big girls can lay like 70,000 or more that's why it's good to throw the big ones back.
@DigitaLIon781
10 ай бұрын
Bucket brigade is relentless. Now with FFS, they catch, get limits, and reduce fish population. Sad.
@WarEagleTheBest
10 ай бұрын
Limit should go lower! Same happened to Florida, FWD lowers limits all the time, you can keep only one redfish now in certain slot.
@30farms70
2 ай бұрын
We have gone from four of us guiding for crappie to over 15 guides in the last 2 years on lake Eufaula AL. We all have FFS. Take it away and they would all quit in a day. I want to see 11 inch length limits and 10 fish limits on Crappie. Only way Crappie will have healthy populations. But like always Alabama won’t do anything until it’s about too late.
@davecfishing7907
10 ай бұрын
I've been fishing for 30 years, Randy knows a lot more about bass fishing all you jits don't understand that is all not experienced enough to understand Randy, including Ben
@cerebraltackle
10 ай бұрын
Can you try that again? This time coherently?
@donaldgregg7818
10 ай бұрын
@@cerebraltackleI understood just fine. Randy is concerned about the sport, the fish, the viewership etc. Millicant is concerned that he’s an expert on spotlighting and going to fish his 1st year on the Elites. You can’t legally spotlight deer so why should be able to pick out the largest fish live and focus on catching that particular one?
@donaldgregg7818
10 ай бұрын
Another thought, when hunting birds on public land you can usually only hunt in the morning here in Texas so that the birds can have somewhere to roost in the afternoon without getting obliterated. Would you rather live on the streets 24/7 in a bad area or at least go home at night and feel safer in your home. You would probably live longer at least having a safe haven on a regular basis vs. not having one at all.
@timg185
10 ай бұрын
@@donaldgregg7818live scoping and spot lighting deer are 2 entirely different things. Deer freeze when you spot light them . Making them easy to shoot. Live scope shows you where the fish are . It doesn’t make them bite . Plus you can release your fish catch. You can spot light a deer legally if you don’t shoot it.
@High-techRedneckFishing
10 ай бұрын
I don't agree with Randy. I believe I have the experience to back it up. I won the 1997 Big Bass World Championship in Randy's backyard on Table Rock Lake. I've caught 35 bass over 10lbs. Keep in mind 30 of my 10lb bass was before LiveScope existed.
@maxcole3930
10 ай бұрын
It's definitely all options & I'm not against or for FFS, it is a tool. We can learn from it about behaviors ext. I understand points from both perspectives! The one question I do ask myself about FFS is. Years down the road when it's less expensive & as common on every boat & kayak as 2D is now. What positive affects could FFS have on fish populations? Considering everyone the keeps them to eat & tournaments ? I honestly cannot think of one positive? Can you or anyone else think of one? I'm open to ideas/suggestions...
@jones1394
10 ай бұрын
No effect because natural have a wY of correcting things. Bass hatch millions of eggs every year. So how the hell are we going to destroy them.😮
@cuivre2004
10 ай бұрын
The positive is that it helps the electronics manufacturer's bottom line that much fatter.
@maxcole3930
10 ай бұрын
That's not a positive... Noone can answer that question, I can't either. But if someone can I'm listening
@RivestFishing
10 ай бұрын
you know what else hurts fish populations fisherman lol if we want the best fish population we should just stop the fishing. Or we could trust the people whos jobs it is to manage the lake to set limits accordingly. If we see a population decline of crappie cool lower the crappie limit from 30 to 10 and in a year or 2 the population will be right back.
@WarEagleTheBest
10 ай бұрын
It definitely worsen the fishing, even everybody CR, still some fish would die. I hope the regulations would force everyone use barbless hooks, trout fisheries applied it long time ago.
@GrantBillingsly
6 ай бұрын
Would you work a cross word puzzle if you already had all the answers?
@Theburningseason
10 ай бұрын
Ben acted like a kid the entire show rolling eyes wiping his face walking away
@donaldgregg7818
10 ай бұрын
Right, he acts like a punk and I don’t know how anyone can support him. 6th Sense is gonna lose business due to his mouth in my opinion. They could easily have a debate without acting like a rude and disrespectful punkass kid.
@charlesclayton7815
10 ай бұрын
I agree! Kinda made me think of a bratty kid arguing with an adult about why he should have a cell phone at the age of 9 🤣
@michalfleehearty9298
10 ай бұрын
At the end randy wished him well on the elites and Ben didn't bother to say anything
@Tukn6s
10 ай бұрын
Yup Ben didn't even acknowledge him when he said what's up to everyone in the beginning
@cuivre2004
10 ай бұрын
Agree. Ben hurt his brand with his histrionics on this podcast. He might eat a piece of humble pie on his next video and give a bit of a mea culpa to Randy and the viewers who tuned in to watch. That is a big ask of a narcissist though.
@mikegardiner3934
10 ай бұрын
hey Ryan, thanks much for putting the clips together for us. Gets pretty heated for sure!
@MoneyBass
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and continuing to support the channel!
@Theburningseason
10 ай бұрын
If FFS doesn't help ppl catch more fish then why do people even buy it. Ben is a live scoper it's why he loves it
@jones1394
10 ай бұрын
Jealous because you're not at his level of fishing. Money boat and doing what he love. That's all.
@Theburningseason
10 ай бұрын
@@jones1394 nope couldn't care less dude I'd a legit 🤡
@lljustice3877
10 ай бұрын
Why do people buy Mega360, Sidescan, Downscan and traditional? Shows where the fish are 🤷♂️
@edwardthacher1622
9 ай бұрын
I think they should use live scan during practice before a tournament and then gps your spots and come tournament time shut them off. Because now it becomes about money and not wanting to use the brain and learn fish habits and patterns. it takes the fun out of it and becomes a stressful job and fishing should feel good its you against the fish not you against the other anglers when it comes down to it that’s how it is. With live scan you can throw your whole arsenal of baits and pick 5 that are going to do the job to get fish in the boat or if you know patterns like the OG’s of bass fishing guys you don’t need live scan. But if Your just starting out bass fishing and you got the coin to spend on live scan could be a good expensive way to learn. But pattern fishing is by far the best way of learning this sport especially cast presentation. Remember when your out make it fun it’s search and conquer and that is the best feeling ever. More stress equals smaller fish. less stress equals bigger better fish. And that money.
@anthonycecil7070
10 ай бұрын
90% of successful fishing is based on knowing where the fish are. Livescope is akin to using thermal imaging to hunt deer.
@rickvann3489
10 ай бұрын
Exactly... cost has kept better fisherman from competing. So I'm here to say that the Pro's or so called Pro's are not the best on the water right now guaranteed
@mashdatrashvideos2831
10 ай бұрын
I am with Randy! fishing is about getting out in nature and enjoying the great outdoors, spending the entire time fishing staring into another device is like playing video games all day. I like to use it for depth and finding structure.
@DHW448
10 ай бұрын
For you, this is perfect. One size does not fit everyone. For me, fishing is all about having fun. I really enjoy my FFS. I want to understand fish & fishing lakes better. And this technology helps me do that. Being old & retired, having professionals use it & explain it. Helps me understand how to use it better. You probably still catch more fish than me, but I'm having just as much fun my way.
@rlawsiw
10 ай бұрын
The big difference is you’re not fishing for hundreds of thousands of dollars . If you invest as much time and effort as all these pros and everyone is using ffs and you didn’t guarantee you’re not making money .
@davewylie654
9 ай бұрын
Ok so your "feelings" about a certain device is what makes rules??? So if fishing is about getting out on the water why does Randy need a 100k+ boat that goes 70mph??? So what if my feelings say he shouldn't be able to use that??? Well that would be stupid because he isn't gaining an advantage just like when the whole field has FFS
@scotiacrumpler2824
9 ай бұрын
I’m closer to Randy’s age and old enough to remember a similar dustup when basic graph depthfinders came out in the 80s
@BayJoua
10 ай бұрын
If we want to discuss the financial disparity of fishing, Randy need to go look at all the Megabass products he have and tell us how one bait can cost more than a tank of gas.
@chilloutdude3617
10 ай бұрын
And the dude never takes of that dumb sausage hat
@RivestFishing
10 ай бұрын
He also sells a 10 dollar jig that costs 89cents to make
@vfpaintjobs
10 ай бұрын
You dont fuss about a Mercedes vs a chevy cobalt....if you have the money you buy and enjoy, if you dont then you watch and wish.....ffs doesn't drive me to a spot or tell me where to go I go where I feel and then check the spot out ,but at the end of the day I took ffs to a spot ,not it taking me . If it wasn't on the boat I'm going to have that same feeling of where I believe the fish are ,and even if it shows me the fish ,it doesn't make them bite . 🤔
@josephleslie2294
10 ай бұрын
If u hate livescope then u should probably hate side scan down scan and for that matter any other electronic devices that could give u an edge on the fish 🤷♂️
@jaydog909
9 ай бұрын
I have live scope and it's a big difference. Randy is right they should allow it in pre fishing but not in the actual tournaments.
@JaredBloom-rj9yx
10 ай бұрын
How can anyone complain about the price of a live scope with a ranger boat is $100,000
@MVAdventures930
6 ай бұрын
I like both Ben and Randy and i agree with both. Not gonna lie im a live scope user myself and its not as simple as drop in fush come to my bait and bite like most people seems to see it. Still takes knowledge on where to go what to use. But it don't really make it easy on my experience. People would say if it doesn't make it easier then why spend money. My reply is do you got a flip phone or smart phone im sure its a smart phone cause we all move with technology.
@terrytresemer2864
10 ай бұрын
I don't think the debate solved a thing. One thing I picked on was Ben stated this 33yr study - forward facing teck has only been open commercially for five years!?! That would be flawed statistics. Experience has alot to be said for itself. The real question is should FFS be taken out of tournaments. The turbine engine was ban from Indy car, NASCAR banned the Buick heads, "generated too much horsepower" ! Should a professional angler "need" FFS thats for the tournament head to decide. Is it a determent for the fish population? I would have to say a new study on this tech needs to happen, has it effected the sport we love. Can FFS progress further? Knowing military tech as I do, I would say this is just being trickled out for corporate wealth. Just take a look at the helment mounted HUD on the F35. It's just the beginning. BASS & FLW will continue to take tech money or not.
@Michdave700
10 ай бұрын
You nailed it! The technology advances will be trickled out and eventually the current FFS proponents will be whining about the rising costs and unfairness while the next generation tells THEM to get with the times. Fish may not always bite but a lot of fishermen have certainly been hooked by the electronics companies- and they don’t even feel the hook yet! Ben thinking the technology is already at its limit is unbelievably naive.
@ernestcoleman4672
10 ай бұрын
Question. For FFS users. If you fish 10 tournaments. How many tournaments will you win using FFS?
@RivestFishing
10 ай бұрын
have had it for like 2 years and have not won a tournament using it but have won a couple beating the bank. It has caught me fish I would have otherwise not caught and it has also wasted a ton of time chasing fish that I dont even know were bass. For perspective the first tournament I fished with it and the first one my brother fished with it we both zeroed because we spent to much time looking at fish that were not even bass or not catchable. Its a tool the guys that have put in the time to dial in it have the advantage the same way the guys that jumped on side scan did.
@XxNiteStockerxX
10 ай бұрын
Funny how Randy talks about how much the electronics are but expects you to pay $10 for his jigs and $25 for jerkbaits
@charlesclayton7815
10 ай бұрын
10$ for a jig...3,000$ for ffs. I know your trying to compare them in separate categories, but that's just ridiculous. Average, blue-collar class anglers have a tought time shelling out that kinda money for that technology. That's just a fact and it is making the sport harder to keep up with
@jones1394
10 ай бұрын
Exactly
@cuivre2004
10 ай бұрын
Apples and traincars comparison.
@lljustice3877
10 ай бұрын
@@charlesclayton7815 Wrong. Anyone know over the course of one season you will lose lures and have to replenish. I’ve spent $1000’s of dollars more on fishing equipment, lures, terminal tackle etc. in my lifetime than I have on a FFS transducer. And I would wager most other fishermen have also spent way more on fishing tackle than FFS.
@XxNiteStockerxX
10 ай бұрын
$10 jig is 4x more than I would pay. Now if you do the math $3000 for ffs divided by 4 equals $750. I would think decent fish finders cost that. Not that I would even spend $750 for sonar tbh.
@vernonneal7050
10 ай бұрын
MB, there you are? What happened to the livestream last week?
@MoneyBass
10 ай бұрын
I got shut down lol. Reached out to Milliken. He will be on the livestream tomorrow night live. There will be a live question/answer segment too.
@vernonneal7050
10 ай бұрын
Oh wow! I'll check it..
@reyn3545
10 ай бұрын
Can someone with the data compare catch rates (weights) in thr pro circuits over the past 5 years and validate whether or not the weights have increased with FFS?
@jakelightford3740
10 ай бұрын
100%
@jimmybrooks1759
10 ай бұрын
MY OPINION IS IT IS JUST ANOTHER PLATFORM TO ENHANCE THE FISHING EXPERIENCE. WITH THAT SAID, I DO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU ARE IN A TOURNAMENT WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT AND DONT HAVE IT THEN I BELIEVE IT PUTS THE ANGLERS WITHOUT IT AT A DISADVANTAGE . WHEN I WATCH THE BPT OR THE BASSMASTERS THEY ALL HAVE IT SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM USING IT. DOESNT ALWAYS MAKE FOR FUN WATCHING, BUT I GET IT.
@cuivre2004
10 ай бұрын
I agree- it doesn't take that big of an advantage by a group of anglers to separate themselves from the field of those who do not have it.
@CookinCatWithMesoMatt
10 ай бұрын
Average individual salary in 1982 was $11k and I found an article where Elias remembers seeing a brand new "tricked out" Ranger for $20k. Average income now is $60k and it's about $120k for a fully maxed out to the teeth bass boat. Nothing has changed, people laughed at you then if you were a broke kid and told them you want to be a pro. It was possibly even harder back then. I like Ben and I like Randy. They both represent one thing, changing times. If Ben is still around in 30-40 years I bet he'll be bitching about $3.2 million bass boats and the automatic lake strainer that kids are using to grab the fish straight out the lake.
@johnmiller5987
10 ай бұрын
I hear what you are saying but the automatic lake already exists. It is called a net. Lol
@tonyvieson9194
10 ай бұрын
I am on the side with Randy to a point. The cost of a sport that your average joe could afford to do with minimal investment has gotten way out of control. I also have a lot of FEELINGS against FFS, but I can honestly admit that. I also work in an industry that relies on empirical data. Not blind biased opinions and that is where I agree with Ben. He has the data and stats to backup his argument and it's one of biggest complaints about Randy and his channel. FFS is not his only video were he makes an argument based solely on his biased observation. He'll even make video's complaining that people aren't watching some of his videos. Like he has some how released the secret code to all of BASS fishing. Ben nails it when referring to Randy's commenters. I've scrolled through Randy's comment section and there are very few if any dissenting opinions in Randy's comment section. For lack of a better description, it's a bunch of ass kissing. I upgraded to a FFS unit this year myself and I've done so for a few reasons. 1 being that, I want more than just my feelings on the matter to be what influences my opinion. I want hard evidence and what better evidence can I have than to see if my fishing improves with the upgrade. I can always sell the electronics as used and get some of my money back. I also did it to pair with my trolling motor upgrade as wind pushes my boat around a lot and the Lowrance system works best if everything matches. 8K is cheaper than 80K for truck and 60K for a boat. If I only needed a boat it would be one thing. But I also need a truck to safely pull a fiber glass boat with.
@DIYAllied
10 ай бұрын
There was no 33 year study on FFS. The stats he was using were stats on crappie. A guy that has an environmental studies degree should know the difference. Also should know that studies take time and need to be numerous before any conclusions can be made.
@cuivre2004
10 ай бұрын
I liked it when he used the word "trending" when he was talking about 3 data points. I think he should have stayed at University of Nebraska-Lincoln instead of going to a satellite community college in Omaha-he might have learned a little more about real scientific methods, designs and limitation, and a concept called "power of test".
@natocommand3217
10 ай бұрын
Are underwater cameras allowed?
@microchip9303
8 ай бұрын
might as well.
@LuckyLucky-bm1pg
10 ай бұрын
fishing certainly has become very expensive
@RPeacock1128
10 ай бұрын
Forward facing sonar is an evolution of technology in the sport of fishing. It’s no different than the sport of hunting getting clearer more powerful rifle scopes or even rifle scopes that integrate range finding technology. Or how about states that allow Crossbows with rifle scopes during traditional bow hunting season. People complained in my state of Maryland when they changed the hunting laws and allowed Crossbows to be used during bow hunting season. People said it was an unfair advantage, deer were going to be hunted to extinction, blah blah blah. Maryland Department of Natural Resources statistics have since shown over the years there has been no real change in the annual number of deer killed during archery season. Ask Randy when he hunts if he uses a rifle scope or does he hunt with a rifle using open metal sights. Is the advance in scope technology an unfair advantage in hunting or is it an evolution that gets more people interested in hunting? Forward facing sonar is no different - it’s getting more people interested in fishing and will ultimately help grow the sport.
@jones1394
10 ай бұрын
Yes Randy answer that question. Very good point since he hunt.
@PatrickIreton
10 ай бұрын
Your way off with this ridiculous analogy. FFS is not like using a scope lol. It’s like using a satellite with infrared cameras to locate deer beds.. and then following an app on your phone to guide you through the forest to within an inch of your deerlmao. I guess you think that’s a sporting way to hunt?? And it wouldn’t affect the deer population lmao.. You people are ridiculous.. and that’s why your kids won’t have any Bass left to fish for
@Daniel-pz4wm
10 ай бұрын
Money Bass!!! Loving the show Bro 🤓 Let's step up our game and take over this you tube!!!! 🤠👍 Loving it Money Bass!!!
@maxcole3930
10 ай бұрын
Winter time here in Southern SC I fish afternoon & evenings also.
@ChrisGable-z4t
9 ай бұрын
Take forward facing sonar away then you will see the cream rise to the top
@tbnationoutdoors-nateeckhold
10 ай бұрын
Great job putting this together. I seen there 2-3 bickering videos. And the podcast.
@sledfam3659
6 ай бұрын
One awesome rule would be. If you show up with FFS on your boat you can only have single hook lures all day….. Lake Fork was looking like snagging. May or may not have been. But more than one fish was weighed that had hooks on out side of mouth. If BASS doesn’t find a way to make sure there is no snagging state law makers will…..
@Basscater81
10 ай бұрын
I think Randy is on to something with the tradition of the sport and thats where the fight should be not on the conservation aspect because the data on FFS harming fish populations is just not there yet
@donaldferris1638
10 ай бұрын
What’s harmful to fish populations is train derailment ( Pennsylvania)or dam removal. Ffs doesn’t kill fish
@HukNBux
10 ай бұрын
The guy I feel for the most is the good ole Dukemiester! The Big Bass Podcast rules!
@5spottedbass
9 ай бұрын
If you really want to find out have 1/2 the tournaments with and 1/2 without
@rogerbrand223
10 ай бұрын
There are things to be said for both sides. The real issue or concerns is does it hurt the fisheries and does it take away from the " SPORT" of bass fishing. I do want to say that talking about a 33 year study on fisheries that doesn't show FFS effects anything has no merit. FFS Has only been around for 5years. Not long enough to be relevant for that study.
@ISHOT420
10 ай бұрын
If scoping doesn’t make a difference then why use it or even defe defend it?
@HondaMXrider291
10 ай бұрын
They only way to push the argument for Randy is to throw out the unfair advantage it brings. For example, pro baseball requires wooden bats, because aluminum bats are an unfair advantage, or steroids, everyone can get em but they are banned from sports because of an unfair advantage, dirt track racing (im from the Midwest) people have been caught using traction control, anyone can purchase and use it, but it’s deemed illegal due to an unfair advantage…..I’m not against FFS, but I think this is the only proper way to defend your case Randy. Maybe word it smarter as I’m just a dumb guy from Kansas that fishes out of my grandpas 1976 ray craft, but you get the point
@edwardcowan7012
10 ай бұрын
I still want to know why nobody is outraged that jet drives and tunnel hulls are banned. I’m not for limiting technology but it seems to me that’s been the norm for some time. Ben is probably better at debating but no statistics data sounds like we don’t know to me. I’m tired of Scoopers saying I don’t understand. My Grandfather knew those fish were out there in the 50’s, he caught them trolling a flat fish. If trolling was allowed fall tournaments would have been won 50 years ago fishing for them. FFS just made it efficient to cast at fish that we all knew were there for a long time.
@andywilliamson7846
10 ай бұрын
Yes. I'm upset about the jet drives and tunnel hulls not being legal in many bass tournaments. Also tiller steering.
@edwardcowan7012
10 ай бұрын
@@andywilliamson7846 a 21ft 250 boat isn’t always the best tool for bass fishing. You can’t use a fly rod either.
@LeonStjames
10 ай бұрын
this was a phenomenal debate but, when you are showing the highlights, we dont need the extra clips. Just let the information fly
@bassfever4234
10 ай бұрын
Great video Ryan 👏👏👏👏
@MoneyBass
10 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Rockyj6942
10 ай бұрын
The whole point of forward facing sonar is to help anglers catch more fish . So was side and down imaging along with plain old sonar . If you are concerned about fish population, cancel gps and eliminate everything but sonar . GPS probably advanced offshore fishing more then scoping. Before gps , 90% of fishermen just fished the bank.
@NHBackcountryGuide
10 ай бұрын
Randy believes that his perspective on LiveScope is just so sophisticated, the only reason to disagree with it is because "...you just don't get it." Textbook gaslighting.
@rickshipley7232
10 ай бұрын
Everybody needs to calm down. For most of us it just FISHING.
@RustyFontane
3 ай бұрын
Randy was in a debate. Ben was in an argument. Agree or disagree with FFS, this showed a huge difference in the character of each individual.
@256bassfishing
10 ай бұрын
This is the same Randy that calls braid to fluoro/mono leader a fad and will go away. The same braid that's been around for 30 years now. 😂 Dude's living in Yesterdayland.
@rifleman522
2 ай бұрын
Fluoro and braid are both overrated.
@scottjacopian3191
10 ай бұрын
I truly believe seriously that half of Randy's followers are not bass fisherman like from the Ozarks and the south. I read some of their comments and they have to be Bank boys....
@maxcole3930
10 ай бұрын
Using FFS is not a guarantee to catch everything you see! I've used it plenty alot of fish so not bite. But on other hand it does help you catch more fish than if you didn't have it. It's caused me to see fish, then fish for them & catch them I otherwise would not have seen or known about. Making adjustments to get them to bite I wouldn't have to to make. So it definitely does help you catch more fish! Which is why almost all tournaments are dominated with it! Better you can interpret what you see & fish reactions more fish you can catch.
@joelbuff3254
10 ай бұрын
Well put. I learn so much about the way fish react to weather, water temp, moon phase, and seasons that I never knew before, thanks to livescope. It is a great tool to teach you about fish behavior, but it does NOT make them bite.
@maxcole3930
10 ай бұрын
You mentioned moon phases. I'm on the fence about how/ if moon phases make fresh water fishing better or not? I know moon directly effects tides so it has to make a difference for salt water. I know fish spawn around the moon. But I don't know if it makes them bite more/better fishing? I've really paid close attention to them past year. The bass master fishing calendar is based around it. I have done well on days that should be good. I've done good on days that were supposed to suck too. It's been very inconsistent for me? Actually most of my biggest largmouth have been caught on days that should have Not been good!?. My 5 biggest so far this year is 7.4 - 8.05 - 8.6 - 9.3 & my current PB an 11.4 I've had an incredible year caught multiple 6 & 7's & lost count of all the 4-5 pounders
@joelbuff3254
10 ай бұрын
@@maxcole3930 I’m in south Louisiana and will tell you for sure you’re wasting your time crappie fishing in the morning under a full moon. Last year about this time there was also a significant increase in bites an hour and a half before dark until sunset. I own my own HVAC business and have slow days in the winter where I can go fish. If it’s a full moon I’ll do stuff around the house until noon, and not waste my time on a fruitless morning trip. On top of a thousand crappie, no bites until 3:30- when they ALL turn on
@RCSTILE
10 ай бұрын
My opinion; Live scope and all of the electronics that are surely to be developed in the near future that pertain to fishing, are going to do to the fishing industry what the internet has done to society in general. The internet, the worlds source of knowledge, has destroyed the moral fiber of the world. These new electronics are doing the same thing, in their own way, to the fishing industry. There has always been the debate on sight fishing for bedding bass. Life scope and these megaphones with the glass lenses that you can put in the water and watch the fish swim around like you were scuba diving, has allowed anglers to bed fish, so to speak, in 20 feet of water. I find that to be morally wrong. To me, it's no different than spotlighting deer or hunting for hogs and coyotes with night vision scopes. I agree with Randy 100%. Allow the anglers to use them in practice, but take the units off the boat during the tournament. Isn't 360 surround enough of an advantage?
@jones1394
10 ай бұрын
I call you said b.s internet is not bad it's what people do with it.
@father1st894
10 ай бұрын
The more technology is added the more it will be abused.
@mr.mikesart7111
10 ай бұрын
Ending pause was priceless
@comfortablynumb9342
10 ай бұрын
I'm with Randy. FFS is like spotlighting deer.
@wade-be7sz
5 ай бұрын
hell its baiting them in then you spotlight them.
@fishwhisper4388
10 ай бұрын
Lets getting on!!
@smyersfishingadventures
10 ай бұрын
I don't see how forward facing sonar harms the fsh population unless more people are keeping the fish, or the frequency of the fish being caught is more and puts more stress on them. Also, it is bullshit when Ben says there isn't many more things we can do to make the technology better. There is zero doubt someone will come up with a way to identify the species, eventually having it be able to estimate size as well. For tournament fishing it should be banned, it looks so stupid, fisherman staring at a screen the entire time they retreive a lure. Just play a video game at that point.
@dustinwalker8152
10 ай бұрын
There are objective truths and there are subjective truths. Objective truths are true regardless of opinion, subjective truth is simply an opinion that happens to be true at that time. For example we live on planet earth, that is an objective truth. I think pepperoni and mushroom pizza is my favorite, that is subjective. Randy came at this subjectively, Ben came it more objectively than Randy. I’m not caught up on all of Ben’s views. However, Randy’s views on this does not hold up to the laws of logic. Most commonly breaking the law of noncontradiction. Which make his arguments illogical.
@MoneyBass
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the breakdown of objective vs subjective. Appreciate the comment.
@chilloutdude3617
10 ай бұрын
Randy has a "it's my truth" mentality. Poisonous. On top of that, he has been making videos bashing other KZitem anglers for a while. Thinks he's the arbiter of who should or shouldn't be big in the bass fishing KZitem space. Typical old dude thwarted by technology and has his panties in a bind because time passed him by. Dang these wipper snappers and their rock n roll music!
@dustinwalker8152
10 ай бұрын
@@chilloutdude3617 agreed. It’s all anecdotal with a lot of false equivalences.
@DamienB-bl7im
3 ай бұрын
The mystery of fishing is the most important and fun part about the sport! The only good thing about sonar is navigation on a lake! Real anglers do not need fishfinders to catch fish!
@johnm2617
10 ай бұрын
😮 Let's all just put Big Aqua Veiw cameras on our trolling motors < And a 16" Screens < And dump FF sonar < Ta Da
@0017Bulldog
10 ай бұрын
If anyone thinks that the current forward facing sonar is the end of it, you better think again. The only question is "what's next"? Technology will continue its rapid advance whether you like it or not. Hell, I've already predicted that there will be a "drone-finder" linked to your boat that directs your boat to fish. It will identify size, species, etc. Doesn't that sound great, boats with buzzing drones chasing them around all over the lake. Anyway guys, there is no solution nor answer to this matter. It is what it is. Adapt or be done.
@ShaneJMcNair
10 ай бұрын
Keep up the GREAT REVIEWS... 👍🏻 It was hammer time. Great podcast, and this was a great teaser review. I like Randy, but if you have followed him since the beginning, he has gained traction in the fishing community being a "Negative Nancy." He does have some good content, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Remember, he dogged the Googan Squad & Social Media. Now he is doing the same thing... 🤔 Luke Duncan pointed this out on Low Budget LIVE, too! LD can be a "Negative Nancy," too, but he has some good podcasts. Mercer is my favorite, and his numbers reflect why... 🍺🎣
@scratch1990
10 ай бұрын
Ben clearly showed up with facts and data, not emotion, which is what is driving Randy’s entire claim of ffs destroying bass fishing
@jakelightford3740
10 ай бұрын
He acted like a child the whole time hahahahahahahahahaha
@Tukn6s
10 ай бұрын
How accurate are those "facts" when ffs hasn't been out for more than 5 years?
@joemarszalek7074
10 ай бұрын
@Tukn6s for now they are accurate. Facts are facts.
@matthew3576
10 ай бұрын
Lmao what facts? Such a small percentage of anglers have ffs lmao give me a break. No comments about how utterly boring it is to watch a bunch of dudes staring at a screen with the same baits in hand
@davideldredge1293
10 ай бұрын
Exactly - I can take a 500 mile highway trip and my truck says I averaged 21.5 miles to the gallon. If I drive 20 miles to the lake when I get home and don't reset the screen, it says I averaged 20 miles per gallon. Did I really? Of course not. Sample size matters. There is not enough recorded data to support Ben's position. Full disclosure, I am subscribed to Ben's channel.
@donaldmartin4980
10 ай бұрын
If you are killing the fish , then it might make a difference , but bass guys are typically catch and release .
@donaldferris1638
10 ай бұрын
Remember that Randy wanted to be your doctor in 2020 and we know how that turned out. Milliken catches a lot of big fish,Randy talks a lot some of his info is pretty good. Times change ppl change and tactics change. If Randy doesn’t want to use ffs out tradition from his stand point he will catch fish,will he ever be competitive probably not
@kjsimpson5267
10 ай бұрын
I’m sorry but livescope was the best thing I bought 😂
@stinger76262
10 ай бұрын
How good would Ben be if he no FFS to glue his eyes to, especially at new lakes for him??
@jimmurphy834
6 ай бұрын
So when sales drop on FFS, can we expect Live Scope scrambling boxes and Electric Prod Scope next from the electronic companies? Will the "advanced" modern pro angler accept this technology as well? When does this end? If you call yourself a pro, prove it. Go out there with a flasher, a temp gauge and a topo map. We all want to see your intuition, skills, your gut instinct, your mastery of your craft from countless hours on the water. Instead we get your head down for 8 hrs staring at a screen with a tungsten prototype ripbait nobody else has access to tied on the end of your rod.
@muthafukajones1513
6 ай бұрын
Problem is you have put more stock into your “intuition” mantua exists. That’s all in your head. You’re just getting lucky. Real fishing is making a fish bite, not hoping to get bit and telling yourself a story that makes you feel like a “skilled” angler.
@Myancestorsheathen
9 ай бұрын
Team Mil
@dougragsdale1967
8 ай бұрын
if live scope made it that easy to catch big fish and 50 guys in the tournament had it and 50 didnt have it wouldnt it be a 50 way tie for first place.
@HawgWyldFishing
10 ай бұрын
If you want tournament fishing to be purely a man, with a fishing rod, catching more fish, than the other men with fishing rods. Eliminate all forms of GPS, sonar, depth finders, and any form of technology from being used on the boats. Guve everyone a paper topographical map just before blast off, no prefishing allowed, and make that be thr end of it. But if that is not what youre are in full support of, then stop crying about the advancement in technology. Period. End of story. Bite your tongue all the way off. Either be against the advancement of technology, or be in support of it, and learning not just how to use it, but also, helping learn how to continue to advance it. There is no fence to ride on this subject. Sidescan/downscan sonar amd mapping technology are more effective tools than forward facing sonar, and no one cared to say that they are cheating, or ruining anything when they hit the market. They were welcomed with open arms, and the people who didn't understand how to best use them, put in the time to figure that out. Many of those same people are now crying because they don't want to put in the work to learn the new technology, and gain the perceived advantage it's giving everyone else. When the entire time, they loved the benefits of having the best mapping and sonar technology available and the advantage it provided them, over the competitors who didnt have as great of an understanding of it, as they did. Either no tech should be allowed on the boat, or you should stop complaining and get back to work.
@randyjamesrobertson
8 ай бұрын
You hit the nail on the on head. I remember just having a map (not always a hydro map) and used a compass and triangulation to find spots where I had caught fish and wished to return to those spots. My depth finder was my fishing pole or my anchor. I do not wish to go back to those days. I love my side image, down image, forward image, 360 image, and gps along with trolling motor anchor lock and power poles. Thank you Jesus for giving this 72 year old man these technological advances. Anyone who does not like this can always go get a horse, cut a willow, dig up some grubs, and sit in a row boat all day for all I care. Just quit trying to tell other people how to live or fish.
@Theburningseason
10 ай бұрын
Milliken so called data proves one thing that lakes are on a decline. He stated we seen the lowest fisj catch rates in 20, 21 if that's the case then it simply proves lakes are on a decline
@surfdaily444
10 ай бұрын
😂 Ben likes catching bass in a barrel with electronics that finds fish for him. Fishing without electronics takes critical thinking to locate them and the appropriate approach to get them to hit a lure. It takes applied knowledge of nature and fish behavior.
@joemarszalek7074
10 ай бұрын
I call bullshit on that. Go look at Ben's videos from this past year in the opens. He uses his FFS, but that's not how he catches all his fish. When looking at the screen you can't tell what the fish is.. all it does is tell you there are fish in the area.
@timmaloney5495
10 ай бұрын
I think you need to go back and look at Ben's earlier videos when he was fishing alot of local derbies before FFS. He has put his time in and is a very good fisherman with or without FFS.
@jaydog909
9 ай бұрын
emphasis on very good but not pro caliber without FFS. @@timmaloney5495
@microchip9303
8 ай бұрын
I would like to see no fish finders or sonar tournaments 🤔
@Greaternickfishing
10 ай бұрын
I love a live scope and I think it’s fun. I wish I had one. but I don’t think it has a place in pro bass fishing. Just like an aluminum ball bat don’t belong in pro baseball, how hitting to hard in football, a pitch clock, restrictor plates in nascar.
@EricLeetFishing
10 ай бұрын
Forward facing sonar/live scope is just another tool, much like the umbrella rig which is banned. And just like the umbrella rig, the only people who want Forward facing sonar/live scope banned are the ones who don't want to put the time in to LEARN it.
@DownYanderOutdoors
7 ай бұрын
Ben has a bachelor degree from South western Nebraska community college
@adammoke8949
10 ай бұрын
I like both guys, but the technology is getting ridiculous.
@J4Ffishing
10 ай бұрын
The memes... just keep it simple
@AvgKsHunter
10 ай бұрын
Wow. All the cut scenes really make this painful to watch.
@mikedill4986
10 ай бұрын
It's been the same old song and dance when new technology or a new hot bait has hit the stage..... from flasher graphs to screen image to GPS, to side scan and now to ffs.... most don't realize you can take 2d sonar turn it forward, figure out your angles and have ffs in 2d... yes images, ect are better on the new stuff but 10 15 years ago.... innovative thinking helped me out in certain situations on the water.
@barrycelestine7809
10 ай бұрын
Ben destroyed him in that podcast. All Randy came with is his supporters opinions which will be the same as his. Ben came with facts. Randy can't comprehend that his supporters is not how the whole fishing industry feel. I been unsubscribed from Crazy Randy's channel.
@timevans6815
10 ай бұрын
Ben needs to show the analytics and viewership numbers after each event. That way we see if the whole picture of views are up or down. Regardless if you use it or not Bass is in it to make money but if no one’s watching then that needs addressed
@scratch1990
10 ай бұрын
@@timevans6815in Dave Mercer’s interview with Randy he stated that bass’s viewership is up 11 % this year
@timevans6815
10 ай бұрын
@@scratch1990 of course it Mercer bass mc. If it’s up then why are people so concerned about it?
@scratch1990
10 ай бұрын
@@timevans6815 I believe it’s probably more people not as concerned as in the Blaukat camp
@rockytopkg
10 ай бұрын
Do you think the whole fishing industry supports livescope? Do you believe people that PAY to fish professionally should be the measuring stick for us Average Joe anglers who don't give a rat's @$$ about livescope? There is ZERO sport in being able to see fish take your bait. NONE. If you look at Ben's channel, he spends a whole lot time talking Randy down than Randy does talking HIM down. That says a lot about him.
@jdock32778
10 ай бұрын
I'm in my 60's... I've seen and heard other aging fisherman stuck in their ways. Any new technique, any new electronics is bad. It's sad to see these people stuck in the past. I've decided there is no help for them. They will continue to keep their heads buried in hydrilla. I've commented to Randy to organize or get the word out for tournaments that will ban forward facing sonar. These will be separate from 'normal' tournaments. See if it works.. Umbrella rigs are banned, cast nets, etc... MLF tournaments are the best. Catch, measure, photo, release immediately. No female bass full of roe should be released at the ramp weigh-in. Innovations, inventions, are a good thing. Nothing really surprises me. (I don't have foward sonar) Let's all go back to spear fishing. 😅
@jerrylanglois7892
9 ай бұрын
If ffs is so effective, so dominating, why doesn't randy use it HIMSELF in a couple of tournaments to show us ?
@crappieworldlivescanner1114
10 ай бұрын
just think you can get a 93 for 600 and lvs 12 for 500 and your in the game
@scotiacrumpler2824
9 ай бұрын
It’s mostly a matter of opinion. I get both sides, but imo it takes some of the fun out of bass fishing. When I scoped it felt like fishing in a one acre pond knowing the fish are there.
@johngarner9929
10 ай бұрын
Where is the actual video - want to see it objectively without your commentary. As fellow Air Force veteran - thanks for your service.
@MoneyBass
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for your service as well. This is just a highlights video. Links are in the description. Milliken will be on my livestream tomorrow 8pm EST. There will be a viewer question/answer segment also.
@edwardcowan7012
10 ай бұрын
Bass after dark
@1965JB
5 ай бұрын
I was not waiting for this video. I don’t care what two pro fisherman think of each others’ opinions. This is crazy, let’s all just get back to fishing.
@stevefisher2121
10 ай бұрын
How about this - let your talent show with the rod and reel - not a piece of technology that actually shows you the fish in real time and how the fish are reacting to your baits???? I'm not the biggest fan of Randy's but I'm on his side with this one.
@woodwired1
10 ай бұрын
Randy won that debate!
@drewbrown1374
8 ай бұрын
i love how his sources were his youtube comments 😂 ben’s source was true statistics and data no opinion 😂
@joshjohnson3352
10 ай бұрын
The cut-aways are killing me buddy. Hard to watch the vid
@andrewjackson8401
10 ай бұрын
Lets be honest. How many pros do you see out there using a john boat with a 25hp motor? The answer is 0 because if you want to fish with the pro’s you have to adjust so everybody now has big boats same thing with ffs
@BH00ma
7 ай бұрын
Uncut angling has already debunked this. Livescope is not the problem. If you are against FFS then you shouldn't install any sonar on the boat at all... or do a tournament rule with no experience on the lake & no ffs or side imaging.
@anceratliff2230
10 ай бұрын
Why was the other 3 guys just sitting and not saying anything?
@MoneyBass
10 ай бұрын
The video I made was a highlight video. There are actually a lot of highlights in the full interview. I only showed parts where Milliken or Randy was talking. There is a link at the end of the video and in the description to the full debate.
@rockytopkg
10 ай бұрын
It was almost 2 hours live.
@timg185
10 ай бұрын
How FFS affects our fisheries is a problem that will fix its self in time. If it really does have a negative effect . State regulation’s will eventually take it into account.
@cuivre2004
10 ай бұрын
Right. They will implement "bass seasons" like some northern states and some river systems. That will affect all anglers irrespective of if they have livescope or not. Then everyone will suffer.
@timg185
10 ай бұрын
@@cuivre2004 I don’t think that will happen . But who knows. I think there are other alternatives. The northern states are ran by liberals that love government regulation.
@johnharris-pn5vy
10 ай бұрын
Randy is mad because he is getting his butt handed to him by younger competitors and your feelings are facts Randy
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