No--one does Tim Grose-style videos better than Tim Grose... which I guess isn't too surprising.
@bluesque9687
Күн бұрын
Yes he is getting a following!
@aubreyjstout
Күн бұрын
agree - the best in the business
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@yellowfolder thanks and the result of starting the analysis about 7pm and finishing starting the upload at 5am :) Net result no fancy B roll ! That said hope the spreadsheet and the commentary get the discussions going as I always enjoy that bit.
@justalilbester
Күн бұрын
Thanks for the summary as always! Helpful, insightful and motivating 🦁 Time to leave nothing out there! 🤞🏻🇩🇪🚀
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@justalilbester thanks for dropping by. One thing I am confident of - you will try hardest of all these featured here. Good luck !
@hippygeeza
Күн бұрын
@@justalilbester good luck in Berlin!!!
@kcc8041
9 сағат бұрын
🎉🎉🎉🎉 Congrats!
@TimGrose
9 сағат бұрын
@@justalilbester fantastic run Nick - 2:19:45. Have to admit was unsure but you got it done - amazing.
@AubreyRunning
Күн бұрын
Good luck to all taking part. I wish you all nothing but great health and happiness through it.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
And good luck to you! Hope Chris Beale gave you back your Garmin - just watched his video with your cameo :)
@bev9708
7 сағат бұрын
HEY TIM... did you see Nick's time?? ... 2:19:45!!!!!!!!!! 🥳🥳🎉🎉
@TimGrose
7 сағат бұрын
@@bev9708 I did - yes fantastic run.
@josephgonzalez_
Күн бұрын
These pre race analyses are always great to listen to, especially when you give your honest views about the runners training. With Nick he seems to have gone for the more quality and faster paces to make marathon pace feel easier approach. But he has done decent mileage, so it might work. I seem to recall Matt adopting a similar approach a couple of years ago and only getting specific around 5 weeks out or so: it didn’t work for him, but you never know with Nick, different runners respond to different approaches. On his shoe choice, if he runs in the Pro4 then I can only assume he’s done that to keep Adidas happy as this shoe is clearly far more marketable to a wider market than the Evo.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@josephgonzalez_ maybe it just makes me tired reading it as back to back 100 mile weeks with a race on a lot of the weeks certainly shows massive commitment and drive and hard to think of a more positive attitude to it - at least in public. I do contrast it with Phil Sesemann in my last one however who did not race at all but could argue the end result wasn’t perhaps as good as I thought might have been a possibility. Think with Nick may depend if can stay in a group long enough to smell the finish. He seemed to have isolated a bit too early in most of his recent marathons then I feel at his level it becomes a very tough ask. Re shoes I don’t think he is on the must wear Pro 4 influencer list and maybe he wonders if the Evo 1 are somehow not to his liking but otherwise it would appear odd to race in the second tier shoe for sure.
@josephgonzalez_
Күн бұрын
@@TimGrose I’m going to predict Nick scrapes in under 2:20! Could also completely blow up! I’ve opted to not buy the Evos after all. Just can’t justify the cost in my head.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@josephgonzalez_ I did enter the draw :) Sue has had delivery of a new phone and shoes "as instructed" so feel I might get away with it! I like your prediction tactics. Whatever he does, you can I say told you so. One thing is for sure is that he will give it his best shot and increasingly that is not happening in these events and maybe that is starting to irritate some of us.
@josephgonzalez_
Күн бұрын
@@TimGrose can’t be wrong 😂
@MidLifeRunner
Күн бұрын
These are some of my favorite type of videos you do .
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
Thanks for dropping by. I was listening to you with Matt Fox last night when was doing some of the analysis. As you may recall, I have featured him in previous editions. He seems confident "yet again" of also finally breaking 2:20 in Chicago so will be watching that with interest.
@TheFODRunner
Күн бұрын
That intro 😂 really enjoyable video as always, I’ll be trying to track all of these on the day 🎉
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
I had quite a few goes at that bit trying to get over the light hearted side of some of this stuff. Yeah it is going to be a good morning's viewing and tracking for sure. Are any of your coaching clients running?
@TheFODRunner
22 сағат бұрын
@@TimGrose no not at Berlin, I have 3 at Chicago though in 2 weeks!
@TimGrose
21 сағат бұрын
@@TheFODRunner will have to see about doing one for Chicago. One of my friends who has done all of the majors thinks, with good weather, Chicago can be the fastest of all of them.
@wk633
Күн бұрын
Ko is running, getting his 6th star.
@bh4560
23 сағат бұрын
Wow! What a massive achievement.. 👏
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
Ah good point. Just not sure if he is going for a time or just to enjoy the ride as it were.
@bev9708
Күн бұрын
I always look forward to your analysis before a major marathon ... VERY interesting!!! My very first ever marathon (with 450m gain) I ran exactly 4h30, and my stats were certainly worse than Aubrey's then! On the other hand I'm much much older (did my first at 59) so I have more determination to keep suffering perhaps!😆😁 Mind you I suppose having a popular youtube channel would add quite a bit of pressure his determination, so we'll see!🤷♀ My heart is really out for Nick, he has been soooo close to that 2h20 and soooo disappointed in the past, but as you say maybe he's crammed a bit too much into too short a time!!! GO GO NICK!!!💪🏃💪 THANKS Tim!!!
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@bev9708 should be flatter on Sunday LOL but the distance catches up with everybody if go out too boldly. Wow that’s an impressive debut age. I haven’t quite made 59 myself yet (am 57 going on 58 in Nov). I can barely run at all at moment so certainly a lot of envy seeing everybody preparing in their own race for the race.
@nath9091
Күн бұрын
How can Aubrey be a running influencer with that little mileage in a marathon block? If someone told me they did that little I'd have doubts about completion. They'd likely be much quicker with a consistent 25-30mpw.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@nath9091 I think just the word influencer is the key. It is giving out a feeling that you too could do a marathon and it is not all about elites or near elites running paces most of us can’t really even do for a sprint. From a shoe point of view there is often a lot of talk of whether a “Pro” shoe can work for anybody at any pace. Guess we will see on Sunday.
@davidisonyt
2 сағат бұрын
Always enjoy these summaries, as a slower runner i'm always glad you include some slower people too. Great 2:25:47 by philly bowden.
@sharkeyboe
Күн бұрын
Why are Adidias not sending Tim to Berlin gratis, that’s what I wanna know
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@sharkeyboe probably good job TBH as I can only barely manage an hour long run and a bit laboured of late.
@PoetWithPace
Күн бұрын
I wanna know that too!
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@PoetWithPace think we are a bit too old to be influencers like this :) Besides I am in no shape to even "try" in a parkrun right now net alone a marathon and I have no desire to just "get round".
@PoetWithPace
5 сағат бұрын
@@TimGrose indeed each to their own. BTW i did have a good chat with an Adidas supplier who naturally was wearing the Pro 4
@philipcampbell7548
22 сағат бұрын
“Too much boom shakala” 😂. That made my evening! Hope Nick gets his sub 2.20 tomorrow
@TimGrose
21 сағат бұрын
Yes I certainly hope so as well but thought I would try and be "objective" in this. Maybe just then "Let's go" :)
@davidsheartisrunning
Күн бұрын
Such an interesting perspective. Marathon training, preparation and racing is fascinating, because for most it is pushing to the limit and so much being fortunate on the day. Interesting observation on Bester, for me it is all about individual physiology and tailoring training to that. I could not take any high mileage so relied totally on intensity, multiple hill sessions and pray ! It worked once (2:19:56) and for all the others the wheels came off at 17-19 miles ! I could run a decent 1500m to 1/2m. My own feeling is to be able to run a sub 2:20 you have to be capable of a sub 50 minute 10 miles and 66 minute half.
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
Ah that must be very satisfying in hindsight and sure Nick would want to have done the same. I was really an 800/1500 runner and only really dabbled in marathons when I stopped being able to break 2 one season when was 36. I did my PB 2:33:53 2 years later back in 2005. I felt what I was most lacking was "endurance" as obviously that MP was "easy" - well for a while so I did lots of time on feet long runs plus lots of 10-13 mile MP runs. Back then I did not really know about doing MP intervals within a long run as is the vogue these days although that always seems very demanding anyway especially if do it every week. Interestingly Nick did do a 66 HM in 2022 - the year he did his 2:20:08 PB. Will see tomorrow if he can also do that "worked once" performance.
@al_conroy
Күн бұрын
The forecast looks really good for tomorrow, I've run it twice and cooked there twice because of the relatively late start. With 14c forecasted I could see Nick Bester pull off the sub 2.20
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@al_conroy yeah no doubt he is capable for sure and agree the weather looks good for a marathon as you say.
@gabesaquatics8495
2 сағат бұрын
Awesome results so far for Nick Bester,Phillipa Bowden and Ben Johnson!👏Hope the others ran great too!👍
@matthiassventoest6800
17 сағат бұрын
well I believe Thomas from BITR is pacing for Aubrey .., we will see how it goes.
@TimGrose
12 сағат бұрын
Good shout. According to the tracker they do indeed appear to be running together.
@luffyluck
19 сағат бұрын
I'm looking forward to see what french youtuber / elite runner "muss life" does in his first marathon.
@TimGrose
12 сағат бұрын
Ah can’t say have heard of him. What is his real name to put in the tracker ?
@kophotography895
23 сағат бұрын
FYI Tim, I believe that Fordy may do more than he let's on, with the club stuff etc
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
Could well be but I have never heard of him doing intervals and a little oddly what actually goes on at club nights never seems to get any airing on his channel. Maybe not everybody attending are budding KZitemrs!
@Corey25
5 сағат бұрын
Nick did it! 🎉
@TimGrose
4 сағат бұрын
Indeed. Have to admit I had my doubts but an excellently executed race leaving something in the tank for late on (I see his 30-35 5K was his fastest) where it really counts.
@briantimson1397
Күн бұрын
Good luck to all the runners taking part. I am more on the Aubrey scale of things. Even if I could make that distance
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@briantimson1397 yes indeed will be good to see how everybody does. Seems more runners in this I feel I “know” than for a good while outside a London marathon. Aubrey certainly brings a whole new dimension to the space and he is getting very good at it. His actual running is coming along well too.
@DavidBlack-ki5fc
10 сағат бұрын
😂 shows how much I know ! NB did . I’ll shut up from now on 😮
@TimGrose
10 сағат бұрын
yeah TBF I thought he might just come up short but of course wished he would not. 2:19:45 is some run and negative split too when it looked like was dropping off. He seemed to lay down a really quick 5K 30-35K and then held on. Look forward to his analysis and video. Suspect he will be "pleased" :)
@PoetWithPace
Күн бұрын
Thank you for the insightful review Tim, which is greatly appreciated! 🏆
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
Thanks for dropping by and true to my word of featuring you. Have to be honest and only "remembered" you in the small hours and had to "pivot" a bit with my model for the others with all the walking you do. When I was at my worst in the summer I also did a lot of walking and felt it helped to at least help "remember" how to move especially as was otherwise either doing nothing for a while and then cycling on Zwift so interesting you do a bit of cycling and even "IRL" at times. Good luck tomorrow. I wasn't quite sure if this a full on sub 3 attempt (or at least PB one) or whether you feel aren't quite there? I had that same issue when we met at London in 2021 and realised I had to lower my sights and "get round" as well as possible. I doubt I even get round at all right now short of a very long hobble.
@PoetWithPace
5 сағат бұрын
@@TimGrose IRL? Shame Strava doesn’t break down the walking as a lot of my walks involve stopping for breaks and enjoying the views 🤪
@TimGrose
5 сағат бұрын
@PoetWithPace in real life. Yeah a mileage of combined run/walk/bike is meaningless. Well done today BTW. Hope it won’t be your last proper marathon go as think the sub 3 still in there. That said not sure I could do another one. Need to get my Achilles area better before can race again regardless.
@PoetWithPace
3 сағат бұрын
@@TimGrose hope your Achilles heal up soon! I spent too much time weaving around people for first half of race, which didn’t help. I will have a few more goes for fun, not sure about any more sub 3 attempts as training has never gone well past few years. Some interesting predictions from one commenter saying I wouldn’t even run a 3:30?!? 🤪
@largeeddie
12 сағат бұрын
I guess they're all out on the course as I type this and will soon be furiously editing race vlogs with their massage boots on. Thanks for the very thoughtful commentary and for all the effort that went into putting this together, even if you say that you didn't have as much time as you'd have liked. I'm looking forward to seeing how the races played out.
@TimGrose
8 сағат бұрын
Looks like everybody featured has now finished. Some very good runs and indeed in a few cases better than I thought - Bester will obviously be delighted with a 2:19:45 and so he should, big breakthrough for Phily Bowden with a 2:25:47 and Aubrey have to admit surprised me with a very very respectable debut (for anybody) 4:25:06. Otherwise a few cases where lack of enough marathon training this time made for a harder day than previous races. But all in some good running for sure. Anything else you observed?
@largeeddie
7 сағат бұрын
@@TimGrose Yes, sub 2:20 for Nick, he'll be pleased with that. And life in Flagstaff with Molly Seidel's team obviously agrees with Phily. Big props to Aubrey for exceeding most expectatoins, and I see that Thomas from Believe in the Run finished with the same time so credit to him as well for the pacing job. Also, Kofuzi and Matt B finished 8 seconds apart on both clock and chip times, so they probably spent some time running together. Not sure about Ko but I think Matt will be OK with 3:13.
@TimGrose
6 сағат бұрын
@@largeeddie I did hear subsequent to this video that Kofuzi was trying for sub 3:10 but he started a bit slower (1:36:57 HM) and seemed to be running with Drew Whitcomb for a while. So was there or thereabouts and clearly not an "A" race for him. About what I expected for Matt and a solid run for sure.
@alfdickinson1971
Күн бұрын
Love this content-do you get much feedback from these runners? I think Chris is out in Berlin more as a coach to some of his club runners and is now targeting Yorkshire marathon in Oct more. I feel like Fordy has done alot more in the gym and with the Physio in this block due to his injury in April which might not be detailed on Strava. I really really hope Bester breaks 2:20! Great critique-thx Tim
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
I see Nick Bester and Aubrey have already commented. Nick sometimes mentions some of my analysis on his Insta and I met him briefly in Seville last year. As you may recall I met with Aubrey in person for a run last summer when he had somewhat less subscribers than me. Largely what you see is what you get with him and I don't think that is always the case with some KZitemrs. I think he has pivoted slightly to more being the most KZitemr/influencer he can be rather than the best runner but, to a certain extent, one helps the other. I was on one of Fordy's earliest Friday live shows a few years ago. I have met briefly Donato at London Marathon few years and sure Ben Parkes knows who I am as has replied to many of my comments on his stuff. Fordy may surprise us tomorrow especially when I noticed one of his 20 mile long training runs was actually at a very similar pace to his PB but, as you say, I suspect he won't want to give it everything but got to think even 90-95% at Berlin could well end up a lot faster than 100% at Yorkshire.
@alfdickinson1971
Күн бұрын
@@TimGrose I feel like you need to re visit the Fordy Long Run show or the Monday one, I think you went to early in its evolution to get the best content value! Looking forward to seeing how your predictions for Berlin go tomoz!
@TimGrose
21 сағат бұрын
@@alfdickinson1971 I do often watch at least some of both of them.
@JohnBirtchetSharpe
Күн бұрын
As usual Tim, A very interesting post. Nick and Aubrey are probably the best influencer performance range marker you could have made . I will also be very interesting to see the results on Sunday. I was listening to a podcast from Stephen Scullion the other day where he was talking about the extra effort to make that different at elite level (not too dissimilair to the Sky Cycling team when that was around) .. and I did wonder , in a way does that exta effort also need to be applied at the bottom of the performance scale (the new runner , or the give it a go marathon runner) in their own way.. this kind of will touch on that possibly. With people like me ..' the median' just coasting at 80% to get our achievments completed (any harder and something goes pop).
@Fozzee.1970
Күн бұрын
I've been surprised Aubrey hasn't progressed further in his running since he went full time you tuber.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
I am almost certain Aubrey is not a full time KZitemr as he refers now and again to the day job. Even if he earns 10 times what I do on KZitem (and our view counts aren’t in a different orbit) he could not even afford to look after himself net alone his full family. He has progressed from running only up to 10K and I did note he ran a 10K PB earlier these year. I think though it is clear he is more motivated by increasing his running related abilities and influence in more ways than just his personal performance as measured by a stopwatch.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
Yes to be an elite you have to make more effort and of course hope got the genetic gifts to maximise that effort. Stephen himself think has struggled in recent times to put in the effort he knows he really needs to and he has the problem of having done it a long time and so improvements are harder to come by. At the other end of the scale I think it is the distance that is the thing to overcome especially if say a couch to 5K programme has been a difficult challenge. On the other hand newer runners should improve quickly lsrgejy whatever they do and in a way I miss the fact I just now seem to get ever slower whatever I do through advancing years. Still I can at least talk about what everyone else is doing !
@BenNotley
Күн бұрын
Another top level analysis Tim! I hope one day I will be included in one of these videos if I ever throw myself back into a road marathon. Let's see how everyone gets on. 😎🤘
@bev9708
Күн бұрын
I bet you would enjoy it for something different Ben!!! Though I guess it would be hard to fit it in your schedule ... now that I run mostly 45k-50k trails, it's soooo hard to fit a marathon in!!!
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@BenNotley it will be very interesting now to see what you could do. Haven’t you been sub 4 off road to get going in a few ultras. Stephen Cousins Film my Run good example of somebody who can do well in both ultras and road marathons. Still you might need more time on flatter towpaths and far far more goal pace work at a faster pace than a single goal.
@TimGrose
21 сағат бұрын
I guess Ben could run the odd marathon as a training run knowing he needs to back off goal pace bit after halfway as got an ultra in a few weeks time. You could also save the risk of getting your ultra shoes ruined if there is any mud on heels risk.
@paulk7663
14 сағат бұрын
Another great “Runners & Riders” analysis. Was expected a Paid for Promotion with a Betting company. Brilliant Tim and hope your recovery is going well. 👏👏
@TimGrose
12 сағат бұрын
Ha ha that made me laugh. Doing a bit of running again which is at least something.
@timtrenholm3698
Күн бұрын
People need to really commit to running 75-90sec/km slower than their goal MP for anything they mark as easy/recovery. So many people live in the dreaded "grey zone". This is how I run 7days a week and still fit in 2 workouts a week and able to get in a long run that is flexible enough to be anything required as a 50yr old. As for the shoes, the AP V4 really seems more like a 3.5, and still have concerns with heel lift. But that Evo SL is going to be a MASSIVE hit....think Superblast popularity. I'm running Chicago in 2 weeks, and hoping to go sub 3:10 after I went 3:16:24 in May 2024 (with a 2min porta potty stop). I was also lucky enough to get into Boston 2025 with my 8:36min buffer, where I will hopefully do well enough to BQ at Boston (it's only a 7hr drive to Boston for me) and maybe I become one of those dirty streakers! Great analysis as always!
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
Yeah sure all runners have at times been guilty of going a bit faster than they should on easy days. Equally though when I look back at my best days I can point to some very hard training and perhaps a regret did not (or rather could not) put in the volume likes of Nick does. Last few years I thought I had also worked out this 50 something runner can tick along ok but has been frustrating this summer when could not. Need to go and analyse more what else I should be doing !
@DavidBlack-ki5fc
Күн бұрын
NB hasn’t a hope in hell of running sub 2:20. He hasn’t even run under 31 for 10k and 69 for a half. Even his 3k time is decidedly average . 2:26 I’d he’s fortunate. Great analysis Tim - keeping doing this style it’s great ❤
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
Agree that the lack of those markers does not bode well. That said he has done 2:20-2:22 in I think nearly all of his most recent marathons and he has certainly been training hard of late and does not appear to be massively off where has been in some of them so will see. He certainly seems confident to say he is going for it.
@SagasuRunning
Күн бұрын
I'm glad to see this posted, well done. Love this new spreadsheet format. Great insights all around. Well done as always.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@SagasuRunning this was very rushed. I finished it at 5am but only really started the bulk of the analysis at about 7pm. Crash training in running terms. Think you are right that the format for each runner isn’t too bad and I did not try and spend too long on any one runner. With more time would have liked to done a summary and dive in say pace of long runs for different ability levels. I have a feeling better runners speed up on race day and slower ones often inevitably can’t match their training speed as not conditioned to the full distance. How the Pro 4 does will be interesting too. Especially does it work for everybody well if they actually try although how race shoes perform not really racing is always a strong, if sometimes puzzling, theme in some shoe reviews.
@SagasuRunning
Күн бұрын
@@TimGrose Inlike this format and the video moved well. Definitely riff on this format for future ones like this. Now they some of the hype is dying down on the AP4 it will be interesting to get actually reviews of the shoe and also see how it wears over time. Really looking forward to the long term reviews on the AP4.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
Yeah will do. Note to self don’t do too many all nighters though. Hope the AP4 won’t be a shoe we are “bored” of before it even comes out. Can see why adidas did this for Berlin but ones like the Saucony Elite 2 and this where it is glimpsed for a tiny window with an actual release miles in the distance just make me look to what have got and often those ones we seem to like more than others if you know what I mean !
@SagasuRunning
Күн бұрын
@@TimGrose Addias is ALWAYS going to do a big release at Berlin…. Always. I am growing tired of these early releases when the shoe actually releases 4-6 months later. Showing of next year shoes at TRE is one thing… but the World Athletic regulations are forcing all sorts of odd things…
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@SagasuRunning yeah good point about Berlin and perhaps also helps it starts the autumn marathon season. AFAIK it is only for the Olympics and Worlds that you cat't wear "development" shoes and so not ones yet on sale to the public in any way. So I wonder if they are actually selling any in Berlin. The Saucony Elite 2 seemed very odd - almost if they had to "hand make" a few pairs for the Olympics but the tooling was not fully there for a release? I see the OG Elite is back on sale at full price. Who is going to pay all that when a new version is sort of in the warehouse. Very odd marketing. Maybe you should do a comment video on the practice. Presume are some "reasons" other than sure World Athletics rules as ones like say the NOVABLAST have had 100 mile reviews before have been on an sale at all.
@gregan78
Күн бұрын
Me love the spreadsheets! Fantastic work, you own this niche. Have you factored into your predictions who will be carrying selfie sticks and cameras!?! I expect you have an algorithm for it!
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
Thanks and good point. I did hear Nick Bester is not going to wear a headcam this time but may be passed one in the last 5K if he thinks won't impact his performance. Clearly then the wearing of a headcam could cost you 9 seconds over a marathon :) I do recall when I have pulled out my GoPro from my back pocket and muttered a few words about how I was doing, my HR went up 5 bpm. Indeed in Seville last year, I decided not to pull it out at all and good job as I recorded 2:59:52. One bit to camera and I could have ended up with a 3:00:00 Clearly prospective KZitemrs need to work on their arm strength to hold a GoPro for a long time or just be a lot fitter to offset these "obstacles" !
@timtrenholm3698
Күн бұрын
I also think Kofuzi will exceed your prediction, based on the training I have seen him do, it closely mirrors mine. And given his previous history, I suspect he will come in low 3hrs or better. But the kicker will be, if he focuses 100% on the race or just influences it up all weekend. Which is pretty much the problem for all of them....with maybe the exception on Nick B and Philly, they seem focused and intend to get help with producing their content or making the content secondary for this race. Wishing everyone a great race!
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@timtrenholm3698 I really wasn’t sure if he is going to try in this one. Maybe I haven’t been following his vids too closely recently but usually before a marathon I hear a lot of talk about it and have heard nothing on this. These days he always does a good base of miles but seem to recall him saying his heart had gone out of chasing times. So my estimate was more based on a guess he won’t be trying too hard.
@NeillyVille
Күн бұрын
How about me Tim? I'm training for Valencia, maybe you can geek out on my training too, all on Strava or do I have to be an "influencer" to be on these vids 😅 Enjoy your vids as always
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
Happy to feature you in the future but not quite sure how to "find" you on Strava? A lot of this is having a reasonable understanding and knowledge of the runners in advance so when doing the spreadsheets it is largely putting on the detail of what I might have imagined. E.g. no prizes for guessing Nick Bester does far more training miles than the others well with the possible exception, from time to time, of Ben Parkes.
@seanwarburton2664
Күн бұрын
Absolutely love these Tim , keep them coming! I’d welcome your view on my training one day, I’m in Berlin myself PB chasing .
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@seanwarburton2664 good luck ! Please leave another comment after the race to let us know how it turned out.
@justoutlaw6423
Күн бұрын
Great analysis once again. Looking forward to sunday and getting back to the sheet to recheck. Thanks.
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
Yes indeed. I think I will be doing the same!
@stevecolders
Күн бұрын
Top class as ever.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@stevecolders thanks !
@IRunDaily
Күн бұрын
Always enjoy these deep dives - thanks for putting the time into them, Tim!
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@IRunDaily bit of an all nighter this one but got to seize the moment !
@theandroids
Күн бұрын
I would love to see a youtuber marathon. That should be a thing. Your own little KZitem league.
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
Interesting concept but I guess the mass nature of these big marathons is what being part of them provides good content.
@oskarhostlund
Күн бұрын
Press conference from SCC is missing this year but Tim delivers again 🙌
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
Ha ha only just. I finished this at 5am this morning :)
@colindittmer.
Күн бұрын
Good breakdown. Of those who I follow . Nick Bester = I think he will be disappointed with his result. I hope I am wrong. If you want to run your best 5k, wear the crazy lightest shoe you can get your hands on, if you want to run your best marathon, wear the best fitting, tried and tested over several long runs and marathon pace runs, shoes. Aubrey = he will finish with a smile on his face, but it will be a long day for him. Donato = Sub 3 is not happening, possibly not sub 3:30. Ben Parkes = 2:45 without killing himself.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@colindittmer. yeah I hope we are both wrong with Nick but I would have liked to have seen a better showing in the Big Half and a few more actual long runs. The fact is he even considering the Pro 4 suggests the Evo 1 may not be for even all sub elites which I guess is 100% the point of the Pro 4.
@colindittmer.
10 сағат бұрын
Congratulations to Nick 2:19:45 ! I'm so happy that my prediction was wrong 🏃@@TimGrose
@benchandler3220
Күн бұрын
Interesting insights as usual. Good onya Tim
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@benchandler3220 thanks !
@amandawalker4510
Күн бұрын
Brilliant summary 👏 🎉 can't wait to watch it ❤
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@amandawalker4510 yeah surely it will be on some live stream (need to check where) and will have live tracking of course anyway which will need for those featured in this video
@kofuzi
Күн бұрын
interesting
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
Thanks for dropping by! Have a good one.
@robin29991
Күн бұрын
My biggest dream is being featured in one of these videos Haha. But quite a way off Influencer Status right now:) Don' t really follow any of these too closely. But with Nick B you can' t help but notice he seems to be doing a very similar block every time. But it did get him within a few seconds of the elusive sub 2:20 once, so who knows if it will work someday.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@robin29991 got any plans to do a marathon major anytime soon? If so may well catch my eye! Yeah very true if you can do 2:20:08 training a certain way you can certainly do 2:19:59 doing exactly the same with just a marginal gain on say pacing strategy, kit/shoes, weather, groups to run with and just feeling good. Sure we have all done races when have done better than thought and vice versa but without any massive differences in approach. How is your injury now? Bruised rib wasn’t it ?
@robin29991
Күн бұрын
@@TimGrose Hannover in April but no Majors. I spend the money on Shoes as you knoe haha. It' s been a very fast Marathon but won't be attracting too many Influencers I think:) Thanks for asking! Yeah, bruised rib from a fall on the Trails. Kept me more or less out for 4 weeks. But got much better now suddenly and actually strung together a decent training week now:)
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@robin29991 look forward to your Peg Plus review. If you can only run 6 miles in them due to a lot of "ground feel" and bottoming out I might need to unsubscribe :)
@TimGrose
21 сағат бұрын
@@robin29991 I will certainly get you on before long. Does not always have to be a marathon but, in a way, the training is sort of simpler - largely need to run a lot! Well at least at our level.
@mrgroundhog9790
Күн бұрын
Always love the analysis
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
Thanks !
@Arki2019
Күн бұрын
Evo sl has my attention
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
Yeah looks interesting as a lightweight training shoe that is not super expensive for sure.
@ChestnutandBea
Күн бұрын
These are so interesting!
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@ChestnutandBea thanks !
@lowzyyy
Күн бұрын
I have similar thought about Nick. He went too much on 5k spree and instead he should do marathon pace more
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@lowzyyy guess will see tomorrow. Can’t argue with the effort for sure.
@yianpap6093
23 сағат бұрын
Perhaps he loves the 5K's more.
@TimGrose
23 сағат бұрын
@@yianpap6093 It is a good distance that you can race often if you want to and I typically found I could run a decent one off marathon training. Not so much vice versa. Guess will see tomorrow.
@lowzyyy
10 сағат бұрын
@@TimGrose yes and he did it. BEAST
@bigz1296
Күн бұрын
Love these videos Tim.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@bigz1296 thanks, good to make them if this time was up all night so doing !
@stuartwalker6786
18 сағат бұрын
Great breakdown Tim....Will be interesting to see how accurate the crystal ball is!....Hope you're doing a follow up with looking at the actual results..... Great Vid!
@TimGrose
12 сағат бұрын
Thanks. Looking at the tracker things seem to be generally as expected so far.
@stuartwalker6786
10 сағат бұрын
@@TimGrose just following now...seems like you were spot on 👍
@TimGrose
10 сағат бұрын
@@stuartwalker6786 looks like, at 40K, Bester will just do sub 2:20 which is great of course.
@stuartwalker6786
10 сағат бұрын
@@TimGrose yes, NB 2:19:45 and Philly Bowden sub 2:26! Looks like BP is on for just under 3 and Unfortunately looks like Ben Felton who started to pick up a bit on Philly between 35 and 39 km has stopped at the 40km point??????
@TimGrose
10 сағат бұрын
@@stuartwalker6786 yeah amazing runs by the first two. I was wrong to doubt Bester this time.
@theandroids
Күн бұрын
Love these vids.
@TimGrose
22 сағат бұрын
Thanks appreciate that!
@gabesaquatics8495
Күн бұрын
Great video, could have used such inputs 2 weeks ago when I did my 1st HM!🤦♂️😜
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@gabesaquatics8495 ah how did it go ?
@gabesaquatics8495
Күн бұрын
I did follow a 20 week Garmin training workout, I have put myself a sub 2hrs goal. Went 1:53:07, more than pleased for now. My next goal will be 2025 Frankfurt Marathon.🙏
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@gabesaquatics8495 well done! Keep ticking over for the next month or so, maybe look to do a 5K and/or 10K race then start to thinking about marathon training.
@gabesaquatics8495
Күн бұрын
@@TimGrose I did a 10k 6days after, started way too strong and melted down after 6k. Went on hero-mode just to finish it!🤦♂️(24 on first 5 and then 29 for the 2nd half). And want to thank you for your replies, it means alot, much appreciate it!🤝
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@gabesaquatics8495 ah! I did a 10K sort of like that earlier this year. Went off probably about 5K effort and the 2nd 5K well wasn't so good :) All good experience though and in the shorter events you can just have another a go a lot more easily sooner rather than later.
@richardrendell9363
Күн бұрын
Morning
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@richardrendell9363 yes first winner !
@hippygeeza
Күн бұрын
Not sure why you are always so soft with Aubrey, he has been running roughly the same time as me, around 2 years. But has had little to no consistency for someone who is supposed to be a shoe reviewer. His block just shows what he is, an Influencer first, a runner second. He barely does 20ks in most shoes he posts about claiming it's the best of this or that, basically either following what others have said or he is hoping to work with the brand more. He will get round, which was his goal, but he spent as much time running as he did with clever edits on his video he could be on for a sub 4.
@lowzyyy
Күн бұрын
Bro he is a poser like most of the influencers.
@hippygeeza
Күн бұрын
@@lowzyyy that's why my favourite runner tubers are the ones who are runners first and do the tube to support their lives
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
I thought I was going reasonably "hard" on everybody else I feel there is little point in doing something like this as it my personal opinion, coupled with my own experience, in what they have done at the level they are at and probably how it would have compared to what I might have done especially when I was at least "somewhere" near the ability level of Nick Bester and Ben Parkes. I think with Aubrey he has fairly clearly stated (or at least implied) that he is trying to be the best KZitemr/influencer he can and not necessarily the best runner full stop. I guess the question is ultimately does that help the brands he works with sell more product than perhaps more focusing on "better" runners who may or may not have the same personality - like it or not. I thought it was very noticeable that I saw no real "elite" athletes at these adidas marketing events in Berlin and that is despite them trying to sell a "Pro" shoe to us. Well you could argue the actual adidas Pros will opt for the Evo 1 anyway. I also think there is a vast percentage of runners for whom completing a marathon at any speed is a massive achievement and ultimately if shoes were only marketed to sub 3 runners like say racing flats used to be then they would not sell any and we could well have not had the explosion in shoe tech we have seen as the profit return would not have been so obvious. That all said if anybody can run a marathon to their true potential doing just 21 miles a week then I doubt we would find any.
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
Re "poser" I guess the question is do the likes of Aubrey help sell more product than those who are not "influenced" by this sort of marketing. Increasingly running related brands are seemingly more pinning their hopes on such people rather than elite athletes who have little or no social media presence.
@hippygeeza
Күн бұрын
@TimGrose I think there are some valid points there, maybe it was delivery (of very good well thought out content) seemed a little warmer to Aubrey then to some of the others maybe that's my own biased head making me feel that way. On the point of marketers going for influences rather than elites, I full understand, That's also some thing callum (tdp) has often spoken of, that for running and track and field in general to continue to move forward more elites should be doing more "socially" to show personality and who they are as people, if the sport is to continue to develop and harness attention.
@gw4550
Күн бұрын
The devils in the details. Great work sir 👍🏽
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
yeah no prizes for B roll or fancy transitions in this but hopefully some useful insight.
@gw4550
Күн бұрын
@@TimGrose I don't need any of that. Analytics are the key 🗝
@TimGrose
Күн бұрын
@@gw4550 and yeah about 4am last night, I decided nor did I :)
@gw4550
Күн бұрын
@@TimGrose 4am. Goodness me. Get some rest. Long run Sunday coming up
@TimGrose
21 сағат бұрын
@@gw4550 had a nice Saturday replying to all these great comments and got in an hour run too. Look forward to following the race tomorrow.
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