During WW2, the Australian army, who were not fans of the Owen, did tests comparing the Owen to the Thompson and the sten. The Owen came out on top, and worked even when they dropped it in the mud and with mud in the magazine. The Owen almost wins on every count: Light, works in all conditions, fast ROF, you can select your rate of fire, good sights, easy to change barrel, accurate, easy to change mag, easy to manufacture, cheap to make, Shoots 9mm rounds, so common ammo.
@badgeronmars
7 ай бұрын
how were you able to select the rate of fire? slightly confused there
@Bernard-q7e
7 ай бұрын
@@badgeronmars It had a switch that would either catch the bolt as it rturned after firing after one shot, or not catch it and let it go full auto. there's a animation of hot it works here kzitem.info/news/bejne/wGuhvWiphJZepoY
@Bernard-q7e
7 ай бұрын
@@badgeronmars the sten gun had a swith for single shot/auto as well.
@paulobrien9248
4 ай бұрын
Interesting point . General MacArthur wanted to issue Owens guns to his American troops . Americans would try to get their hands on an Owen at any opportunity. The push back came from the Thompson manufactures . They had too much political clout. They blocked the use of Owen guns by the US Army .
@stephencox4224
Жыл бұрын
Well the Owen Gun was used and very useful not just in New Guinea during World War Two but also the Malay Emergency and most importantly during the Vietnam War where it was a favored Black market special often swapped for other items of value by US Special forces and LRRP people because the owen could be dumped into a muddy pool and jumped on and then brought up to the waist or shoulder and it just continued to work a life saving aspect was it's real world reliability that cannot be overemphasized when literally life depends on it
@mr_jiblets
Жыл бұрын
I'd have to take the Owen, if it was good enough for my great uncle, its good enough for me.
@catinthehat906
7 ай бұрын
The Owen was still being used by Aussie forces in Vietnam twenty years after WW2.
@pinkfloppyass
Жыл бұрын
Always as an Australian gonna be proud of the Owen gun. I only know of one other gun that is reputed to be as reliable/tough and that's the AK. It's why I like to call it the AK of smgs.
@robwalsh9843
Жыл бұрын
The fact that it was created by a talented young kid is just amazing.
@dansmith9724
Жыл бұрын
It was used right up into the Vietnam war by the Australian Army, so they must have thought highly of it.
@TheMalootrager
Жыл бұрын
To right mate and you know what’s funny I’m Australian too and my middle name is Owen 😁
@dtrex2255
Жыл бұрын
I just love the simplistic look of the Owen, great gun too
@snekhuman
Жыл бұрын
i think the reason the owen gun isn’t as popular in culture is because it’s australian. you don’t see many australian perspectives in movies and video games set in WW2.
@D123-c9y
Жыл бұрын
I’d go with the Owen any day
@rebeldog5038
Жыл бұрын
That's what I'm sayin
@nugget8612
Жыл бұрын
the owen:the gun that looks like it shouldnt work but somehow does
@JEJAK5396
Жыл бұрын
Same.
@owenc.q8514
Жыл бұрын
Thanks bro
@duellingscarguevara
Жыл бұрын
Got gravity on its side/top? (Shooting prone is handy too?).
@garrickmartin7707
2 ай бұрын
The best was the Owen. Hands down . dead set reliable, comfortable. In the Pacific they were in great demand. Lots of Americans swapped their Thompsons for Owens, when they could get their hands on one. Check it out.
@brucelamberton8819
Ай бұрын
After finding out how good the Owen was, Macarthur wanted to equip US troops in the Pacific with it, but there too much vested interest in the Thompson, as well as outright opposition to a non-US weapon.
@The_Dude_Rugs
Жыл бұрын
I think the M3’s service life speaks for itself
@nocturnalrecluse1216
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@SnoopReddogg
Жыл бұрын
Right.... so it wasn't worth replacing
@dingus5565
Жыл бұрын
Sorry to bring Insurgency Sandstorm into this, but the M3 with that advanced suppressor is king in my opinion. Fast enough to be effective, slow enough to put just the right amount of lead into grumpy, and cheap enough to mass produce it much like the abundance of condoms on the market today and a service history that will baffle most. The M3 grease gun, the american submachine gun version of the AK-47. Just beautiful.
@RichardGalli-r6i
8 ай бұрын
no, they were too slow & inaccurate, esp if you've handled/fired Thompsons. some bean counter dumped them into US armored vehicles as a last ditch survival weapon, instead of a pistol. They dirty up fast, dust & sand ruining them. Saying they are an equal to the AK is ludicrous
@RichardGalli-r6i
8 ай бұрын
no no no, esp the AK comment. there were thousand in armored vehicles into the 80s... NEVER saw one with a suppressor - are you talking video games? I'm talking 27x years 19D & 11B@@dingus5565
@thatguybrody4819
Жыл бұрын
you literally cannot go wrong with an Owen. it's a shame that the australian military hated it despite its success and love on the ground. spite is a nasty thing.
@gone547
7 ай бұрын
Who said it was hated by the Australian military?
@thatguybrody4819
7 ай бұрын
@@gone547 the troops loved it. brass not so much. wanted their own gun and tried to stop the owen from getting in until forced to be given a fair chance by the government.
@johnsteele2986
7 ай бұрын
The Owen was universally loved by Australians!
@thatguybrody4819
7 ай бұрын
@@johnsteele2986 made a reply to another person going into more detail about it.
@gw5436
3 ай бұрын
After it was introduced and everyone fell over themselves ditching the Thompson's and being issued the Owen, even the army brass loved them. They were just too proud to admit it at the time.
@shaundouglas2057
Жыл бұрын
Used the F1 submachine gun back in 1987 to 88 when they were starting to be phased out of the Australian army. When firing they had a strong tendency to kick up and right, you really had to keep forcing the gun back down. I was told the Owen gun was a superior gun.
@vegasspaceprogram6623
Жыл бұрын
The Tommy gun is really built to last, but for the logistics that come with an army, the Owen wins. It's also lighter and more reliable in humid climates.
@fordprefect80
Жыл бұрын
I went to Lithgow Small Arms Museum earlier this year. Saw several Owens, even an F1 and loads of Lee Enfields plus many other firearms. Great little museum.
@ramozj6997
Жыл бұрын
I spoke to Aussie 3RAR Korean War ,Kapyong vets when I was a member of that Battalion .They told me the 9mm Owen didn't like the winter warfare in Korea. Brit SAS also used it in Malaya . All the SMGs for Aussie infantry got replaced in favour of the M16 during Vietnam. SMGs F1s were used by non Infantry units like Armour Vehicle crews etc until they got Steyr Carbines.
@happyhaunter_5546
Жыл бұрын
answer to question: I'd pick the Garand because I'm a single brain celled Rifleman always and it's easier and lighter to carry and use
@GHefly445
Жыл бұрын
Garand ≠ light
@sergiozammel8261
11 ай бұрын
The only things that the Garand is a problem is it is a long heavy rifle. 30.06 rounds with clips adds to the weight. This is where the modern rifles have it over the ones of old.. plus full auto capability. But a Garand can still make enemies thing twice especially at long ranges. Topping up a clip will give you plenty of firepower to lay down. I would still go into jungle and thick bush with a M1 carbine.
@harveybirdman74
Жыл бұрын
The Owen gun was the best SMG to take into Jungle or Desert conditions
@communitycollegeofharvard6198
Жыл бұрын
Great video! I am such a nerd for old guns
@floriankempf1517
Жыл бұрын
Me too 👍
@floriankempf1517
Жыл бұрын
But the most new guns are boring
@jayvet2id
Жыл бұрын
I carried a grease gun on a couple of FTXs in the mid 1980s. Simple and rugged are good traits. For Allied weapons there's a lot to be said for the M1 carbine.
@sergiozammel8261
11 ай бұрын
As a civilian, I owned both M1 Garand and M1 carbine. These rifles are probably the greatest rifles of WW2 IMO... I love them both. I would have no qualms in using them today in battle. for close combat jungle work or close urban I would go with the carbine,, it is just so light and handy.. can lay down shit loads of lead even with one hand...
@andrewstrongman305
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why you would prefer the heavier, less accurate, and less reliable weapon. The Owen could handle sand or mud without jamming. Australian troops much preferred them to any other sub-machine gun. Your choice seems based more on sentimentality and American pride than an objective decision based on the comparison of strengths and weaknesses of each weapon. Disappointing.
@danielevans8910
Жыл бұрын
“bu- but Owen reliable! But- but Owen preferred by Australians!” Dude lmao nobody cares.
@craigthescott5074
11 ай бұрын
I happen to own both a M3 Grease gun and a 1928 Thompson and they are both very reliable and accurate.
@williamoneal4112
Жыл бұрын
The Grease Gun, that thing chugs along like a sewing machine and is so satisfying to shoot and seeing it fired makes me smile
@ianlowery6014
9 ай бұрын
Until you drop it in mud, then it stops firing. None of the other SMGs can match the OMC for reliability
@irishwristwatch2487
Жыл бұрын
"The best was also the worst" Sooo...A Sten?
@kris8742
Жыл бұрын
Owen number one for the jungle conditions.
@robert43g
Жыл бұрын
I would go the Owen 1 because I am a Ozzie and 2 its just different and cool and my dad used to live in the city where it came from
@banks3388
Жыл бұрын
The Owen Gun was the most reliable out of all those guns and was the only one with a fire select...
@dayton8282
11 ай бұрын
Lmfao tommy has semi auto as well...did you not watch the video. And I wouldn't call it most reliable
@craigthescott5074
11 ай бұрын
I happen to own both a M3 Grease gun and a 1928 Thompson and they are both very reliable. And the Thompson has select fire. The M3 shoots so slow you can easily fire it in semi.
@redtra236
3 ай бұрын
M1928A1 has semi even the simplified M1 and M1A1 Thompson still has semi
@nfsfan0946
Жыл бұрын
It's Gotta be the Owen gun man 😁😅🤷♂️
@ridgelineenjoyer1517
Жыл бұрын
I would still use the Thompson, I love .45ACP and its gorgeous
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
As a hardcore thompson fanboi, I'll accept that wrong answer.
@Bmuenks31
Жыл бұрын
@@armandgun its not wrong, but it ain't correct, it's partially correct The real answer is the Owen gun
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
@@Bmuenks31 Yes and that's ultimately the conclusion I came to at the end of the vid. Though in the scenario of a collector/recreational shooter, my answer would change.
@stormblahblah5589
Жыл бұрын
@@armandgun Your collection demands respect, as well as your objectivity and practicality when discussing the firearms. In my humble opinion, I would take the M3. It's controllabe especially for someone with a total lack of full auto experience such as myself, its very user friendly, relatively lightweight, and an iconic and effective cartridge. The only modification I would make is drilling a larger peep hole, like GIs did back then. Otherwise, to me it doesn't get much better. You could put that weapon in the hands of just about anyone and it would make them an effective combatant. I suppose you could say that about the Owen, but I would argue the M3's cartridge has more potential as a heavy combat cartridge.
@johnsteele2986
7 ай бұрын
The owen any day! It never had a cocking handle prone to breaking off like the M3 and was cheaper, lighter and more reliable than the tommy gun.
@scsmity
Жыл бұрын
lovin the content id prolly pick outta the SMGs the owen but in general either the enfield or the M1 Garand
@tristanmisja
Жыл бұрын
I'm jealous of you. You get so many awesome guns when I can get none (due to age)
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
Stick with it, you'll age out and then the biggest holdback will be your wallet and your government.
@controlfreak1963
7 ай бұрын
I've shot all three. The Owen was hands down the best for it's day in the conditions the Australians had to fight. It looks weird but you can fire it from a prone position, it doesn't get easily snagged like the clips on the Sten/Sterling's, and anything that may fall into it from the top just falls out the bottom. It looks wonky but is very controllable due to the great grips which were better than the WW2 Thompson (but about the same as the 1920's Thompson). The first Sten SMG guns had the worst handling as far as I'm concerned but they were incredibly easy to make and maintain. According to my uncle, they were typically modified in the field to give them actual grips.
@andymoody8363
Жыл бұрын
What happened to the Sten?
@bryanadkins6776
Жыл бұрын
The complete lack of ergonomics is what happened to the Sten. The best and easiest way to hold the gun would ultimately end up damaging it and causing malfunctions.
@Bernard-q7e
7 ай бұрын
Bad design..... The magazine is the most obvious place to hold it, so lots of soldiers did, but if you held it on the mag it jammed and wore out a certain component in the mechanism.
@riculfriculfson7243
4 ай бұрын
I agree. It was easy to make, in a good calibre. Of the SMG's, it was the only one (to my knowledge) that carried on in service into the '80's as the last iteration with the Stirling. Not having it on the list feels like invalidation to me.
@ibanheadhunter8317
Жыл бұрын
The Owen gun proves itself deep in the wet, cold and muddy jungles of Borneo. Being very easy to use and rarely jams, it is not long for local tribes to use it against the communist in the Malayan Emergency and Konfrontasi.
@MattJungleCat
Жыл бұрын
As an Australian.. obviously i'm biased towards the Owen. Nationality aside it was an AWESOME weapon. Durability and functionality.
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
based
@Rhawk.4
Жыл бұрын
I'll have to go for the BAR cus it's awesome
@rojayreid908
Жыл бұрын
Me too
@SnoopReddogg
Жыл бұрын
Here's a funny thing about the Owen: 'The Owen Gun Story' references a prototype successfully tested chambered in .30 Carbine. The also made prototypes in .38 (hypothetically also in 357 Mag had that been a thing) and the aforementioned .455 Webley and .45ACP. The .455 would've been an unpleasant weapon to be on the receiving end of. Here's the other thing about the Owen, by accident or design, its optimised for firing on your guts by a right hander, something every KZitemr has completely skipped over.
@thewindowsmaaane
Жыл бұрын
where do you find this?
@gas327
10 ай бұрын
@@thewindowsmaaaneThere have been a few books published on the Owen gun, at the moment there are 2 advertised for sale on ebay. The Owen Gun by Wayne Wardman, it's the complete history of the gun, 200 + pages hard back with dust cover, a very good read. The second is the Small Arms Identification Series by Ian Skennerton which features the mark 1 Owen and Austen guns, it's just 50 pages , soft cover. It's more of a technical publication with exploded view's and parts listings with a brief overview. I can recommend both.
@GazalAlShaqab
Жыл бұрын
Owen is incredibly sexy and has something really… crazy in his look. YES, Australians can be PROUD of it!! The story of its creation is incredible too.
@danmatthews6176
Жыл бұрын
The Owen…cause I could go to my garage and make one😂
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
🤣
@Anth1963
Жыл бұрын
😉
@TheMDJ2000
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the odd criminal in Oz has been caught doing just that.
@davidtuttle7556
Жыл бұрын
How on Gods green earth did the Sten not make this list?
@kxllz8945
Жыл бұрын
because it wasnt that good it was made to be massed produced like the grease gun
@robwalsh9843
Жыл бұрын
Also, he probably doesn't own one.
@stevephillips8719
9 ай бұрын
Aussie soldiers who came back from the Pacific said that some American soldiers would swap their 'Grease Guns' for the Owen whenever they could.
@rorirocks6663
Жыл бұрын
All i got from that is if you want a good gun, ask a aussie kid to design it
@unknownp1506
Жыл бұрын
Grease gun or Garand all the way, you probably know why with the Garand + its a good gun to use in a bit further range, and the the grease gun is just a fun gun to rattle away with
@michaelmccartin2054
Жыл бұрын
I agree, the thing that I don't like about the Owen is the magazine and sight placement, plus I will take the.45 ACP over the 9mm because of takedown! I grew up near a military base and I hung out with veterans and they told me that when trained with the Thompson because of the heavy lift of the.45 cal bullet they were trained to hold it sideways to sweep!
@ianlowery6014
9 ай бұрын
It rattles until you drop it in mud or sand. Do you want to stay alive, then get an OMC. Don't believe me? Then check the reports by the US, Canadian, British and Australian armies which texted these guns plus the Sten. The OMC won hands down. The others were unreliable except in a recently vacuum cleaned room, so to speak. It doesn't stop at reliability. Ease of use and maintainability were also major factors. The Sten was a cheap piece of junk. The grease gun was a little bit better. The thompson was over priced and no match for the OMC.
@Bernard-q7e
7 ай бұрын
If you've seen experiments with the owen, being dipped in mud, sand, dirt with a variety of other SMGs...and the Owen ignores it while all the others wouldn't fire and needed serious cleaning to work. Amazing SMG
@redtra236
3 ай бұрын
@@michaelmccartin2054 M1928A1 has no muzzle climb issue except with inexperienced shooters
@michaelmccartin2054
3 ай бұрын
@@redtra236 you don't know what you are talking about, the Thompson has muzzle climb and World War 2 veterans are the ones who told me about it and I am sure that they Knew what they were talking about especially since they used them in combat. I also listened to Korean war veterans who complained about the M-2 carbine being so inaccurate and I read that was because it had muzzle climb also but people were trained to fire it like a rifle so if you missed your target with the first shot you probably wouldn't hit it at all. I know my M-1 carbine is a very accurate gun and I love shooting it.
@phoenicsxd1923
Жыл бұрын
6:15 now you killin', now you aint. Great movie.
@jonmcclane7433
Жыл бұрын
I’m a huge Grease Gun guy so that’s my choice. Served American Forces all the way to Desert Storm, cheap to produce, easy to maintain, and really shines when it’s suppressed.
@csipawpaw7921
Жыл бұрын
My dad started with the B.A.R. and a 1911. But as he gained combat experience he preferred the M1 Garland for most combat and the Thompson for urban areas. But then I doubt he ever had the opportunity to try the Owen. I know he thought the P40 was Ok but preferred the 45 over the 9mm in a sub machine gun. P.S. He never gave up carrying the 1911 as it saved his life several times.
@arthurbretas2003
8 ай бұрын
The best from each side it's gotta be the Owen and the Beretta M38 (all variants)
@eliasujashvili7113
4 ай бұрын
The bolt hold open on the Thompson isn't for knowing when you run out, rather reloading easier, if there was no bolt hold open you would know easier because the bolt would close.
@terrancechan6282
Жыл бұрын
PPS43 is the best smg in world war 2, cheap, easy to make, light, high fire rate, has a pistol grip and compensator.
@brandos451
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact. Some US troops actually swapped there Tommys for Owens because of the Owens reliability and the much lessened chance it would jam in the mud and filth of the jungle.
@ramozj6997
Жыл бұрын
I believe it if was Europe as Yanks could get 9mm off the Germans .I find it hard to believe in the Jungle as resupply was not good .How did the Yanks get 9mm? The AIF preferred their Thompsons over Owens and it was the Militia Battalions that loved. Owens. AIF fell in love with Owens later. The Kiwis are the ones ditched their Thompsons for Owens. MacArthur wanted to ditch Thompsons for Owens as Owens cost $30USD to produce. The Canadians wanted to equip with Owens but the Japs sank the ship carrying the machinery to Canada .
@aaronjamaalsworld
Жыл бұрын
I come here for the history lesson.. But I stay for the ASMR 😂😂
@jessebentley2180
9 ай бұрын
Best part of the owens camo paint is thats Australias national colours green and gold
@octanehusky2634
7 ай бұрын
The sten was so good it couldn't even show up or it would have completely overshadowed the others.
@terrya8989
7 ай бұрын
Nonsense
@redtra236
3 ай бұрын
Sten is a garbage rod like the M3 but did its job at being a super cheap SMG thats reasonable effective
@johnklein233
11 күн бұрын
I wish you included the United Defense M42 Marlin in your comparison. That is my favorite WWII allied SMG.
@randallbelstra7228
4 ай бұрын
One other element of the M3 is there was a second barrel and breach component in 9mm. Which means that the weapon could be quickly converted to 9mm, and the magazine could also accept MP40 magazines and ammo.
@yfelwulf
Жыл бұрын
The Owens reputation for reliability makes the AK look unreliable. The US ordered 60,000 Owen's from memory none were ever delivered.
@benfennell342
2 ай бұрын
Apparently they were on a hospital ship that was sunk by a Japanese sub
@bushranger8960
Жыл бұрын
Owen gun gang 💪💪
@thims1961
Ай бұрын
Excellent Question's! Best Allied SMG & Fave WWII Gun for Western Europe To start off you've only referred to Two Allies & there were many more with their own reputable home grown SMG's & Rifles. Now of course when it comes to best WWII gun for Western Europe we have to take into consideration the dominant smg round (9mm) was something the Americans didn't make weapons for except in very, very limited quantities. Of course Britain developed the Sten but there were multiple Allied 9mm SMG's that for the most part though far more expensive to make were all functionally better. France had the MAS 38 in 7.65 longue(MAS 35 9mm), Germany took over the plant & built untold number Fins had the Suomi KP/31 in 9mm Russia had the PPD/PPSH in 7.26 Tokarev (rip off Suomi) Then there's the Axis Powers who had multiple smg's in 9mm Germany had the MP38/40(most available smg magazine in E.U. by far) Italy had the Beretta Model 38 in 9mm(of course this was a carbine but Italians called it their smg) The favorite across both the Axis & Allies wasn't an Allied smg or the more common MP 38/40 but the Beretta Model 38(variants). This would have been what I'd have chosen to venture around the EU in WWII if the MAS 35/38 in 9mm(very few made) wasn't available as it too was a carbine with better accuracy but the lightest of all(barring Sten).
@madv40mike
Жыл бұрын
The Owen, it's a local gun
@YeomanArcher
Жыл бұрын
I know the Tommy is iconic and sexy, but I'd rather all Allied forces mass produced the Owen.
@christopherjohnwilliamsmit3002
Жыл бұрын
I live in the City where the Owen Gun was 1st designed.. The original .22 that Owen Built.. He lived in the Suburb down the road.. Well its Australian made ... As for the Thompson Gun.. At the start of WW2 it cost $200 per Gun made By the end of WW2 it cost $45 per Gun made.
@davey6024
Жыл бұрын
That drum mag has to be -100 ergonomics
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
The idea with that drum is for the fight to be over before ergonomics come into play.
@davey6024
Жыл бұрын
@@armandgun Plus ergonomics don't really matter when firing out the window of a cadillac town sedan 😅
@adler830
Жыл бұрын
If I had to pick, I'd go with M3A1. Simple, not many things to go wrong, caliber that's easy to suppress, compact... there is a certain charm to the open bolt tube guns.
@synshenron798
Жыл бұрын
Only reasons id pick the owens is cause it seems to be a bit more simplistic and its 9mm instead of .45. Both rounds are readily available today but I prefer 9 cause my Beretta is chambered in 9, I have all the stuff to reload 9mm rounds and the bolt doesnt have to be AS beefy like it does in the greese gun. But if I was in like WW2 or Korea I would take the M3A1 any day of the week
@ThePoisonedReaper
Жыл бұрын
I would use the good old BAR, I wanna lay down somewhere and lay some lead before reloading 20 later lmao.
@lukenash8112
Жыл бұрын
Fairly certain they made iterations of the Owen and used them in Vietnam
@Bernard-q7e
Жыл бұрын
yep. Its the only one of these that was still being used in the 1970s.
@redtra236
3 ай бұрын
@@Bernard-q7e False both the Thompson and M3A1 were still in limited service in the 70s. The M3 was even in service in the 90s
@frenchtrenchoperator5701
Жыл бұрын
Happy Halloween 🎃
@Thekulprit92
Жыл бұрын
I'd choose the bar, tho I may regret it after a day of carrying it 😅
@Daveyboy1066
20 күн бұрын
As a collector I would have put the Owen top as they are simply so rare now.
@gunnergibson4317
7 ай бұрын
Also the machining on the early Thompsons are just unbelievable
@rozkaz661
Жыл бұрын
Theoretically at the time soviets were also part of the allies lol but they deserve their own smg video
@Daddyd3eath13
Жыл бұрын
I gotta go.with the B.A.R, just something about having the full auto power of that 30-06 cartridge is just absolutely sexy and scary all at once
@peterrobbins2862
Жыл бұрын
Not a smg thought is it
@Ukraineaissance2014
Жыл бұрын
Pretty bad at being either an automatic rifle or a light machine gun
@rosssmith4638
28 күн бұрын
KISS It’s simple Ruggered Reliable (worked well in the mud) Ugly And everyone wanted it As it wasn’t as sexy as the others, it never appeared in the movies. The Owen wins hands down
@AltronT
Жыл бұрын
Let’s put it this way, no American or British soldier was dropping their Thompson to pick up something else.
@paulcooper6657
Жыл бұрын
Me being British don't get to enjoy such awesome toys. Yes if I could I'd collect like most who love fire power. Love this channel I get to see all of what I'm not allowed to own. Thanks BOOM! 👍
@Predwyn_the_Swole
Жыл бұрын
Same, I'm insanely jealous.
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support! No interest in causing anyone heartache or frustration from jealousy. I'm just trying to leverage what I am able to access and share it in my own way for the benefit of the community. I love 20th century small arms history and development, and the more I am able to compare models like this from the same genre and across others, the better I can understand them and in turn help others appreciate them for what they were and how they were used. Many people now engage with guns like these through video games, and I am starting to do some work with developers now as well. Dialling in the comparative elements between similar guns like this is really beneficial for consulting on their implementation into video games. If I am successful in acquiring a larger chunk of land Q1/Q2 2023 I should be able to produce live fire content with these as well, which should really up the value of these comparison types of videos.
@ICB-vl3ym
8 ай бұрын
No reference to cost/ ease of manufacture. Owen still in service in Vietnam.
@boothead9495
Жыл бұрын
I’d take an Owen or a BAR. Owen if I’m in the jungle for sure. BAR if I’m in the western front
@Abcadeaz
Жыл бұрын
Curious why the Soviet PPSH was left out. Hard to get? Don't have one? Or just want to avoid the controversy that comes with talking about the Soviet Union's predominant role in WWII?
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
I don't give af about county's past or controversy when it comes to guns. History is history, facts are facts. Doesn't change how good or bad a gun is, or it's relevance in small arms development. The PPSH is certainly an iconic gun, but I left it out because I wouldn't have picked it. I suppose it could have replaced the thompson to take the role of the heavyweight, but they were finicky with drums and with sticks they didn't have enough capacity to maintain the fire rate imo. I'm sure they were effective in their own right, but even the soviets quickly replaced them with the pps43. I also don't have one here at the armory, though the armory does own one. It should arrive sometime in December and will be in future content.
@Abcadeaz
Жыл бұрын
@@armandgun great response, not gunna lie I was tryna lob a fat one at ya to test your politics a bit and all I can say is... I can't wait to see more content
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
@@Abcadeaz 🙏🏻🤘🏻 loads more coming, and it’ll get better once I can actually shoot and demonstrate some of these in vids next summer.
@Abcadeaz
Жыл бұрын
@@armandgun Yeah I was curious why you don't shoot them in the videos
@jimmyjazz1570
Жыл бұрын
Ah, you mean when they sided with the Nazi's and divided Poland up between them?
@AntiPlatitude
8 ай бұрын
lol the whispered “deal with it” had me chuckling
@xzafir515
Жыл бұрын
I would go Grease Gun absolutely
@bonghead6621
Жыл бұрын
Reliability Owen wins hands down.
@craigthescott5074
Жыл бұрын
The Grease gun is just as reliable.
@bonghead6621
Жыл бұрын
@@craigthescott5074 But harder to operate,but yeah the grease guns simplicity was excellent no doubt.
@craigthescott5074
Жыл бұрын
@@bonghead6621 actually I would argue it’s easier to operate because of its super slow cyclic rate. It’s very controllable in full auto.
@bonghead6621
Жыл бұрын
@@craigthescott5074 True you could fire single shots with the grease gun,impressive.
@stormblahblah5589
Жыл бұрын
I would take the M3A1. It's controllabe especially for someone with a total lack of full auto experience such as myself, its very user friendly, relatively lightweight, and an iconic and effective cartridge. The only modification I would make is drilling a larger peep hole, like GIs did back then. Otherwise, in my humble opinion it doesn't get much better. You could put that weapon in the hands of just about anyone and it would make them an effective combatant. Additionally, its chambered in the same cartridge as my handgun of choice.
@ianlowery6014
9 ай бұрын
You take the grease gun, I'll take the Owen. We'll submerge out weapons in water, sand and mud, and then we'll shoot each other. What do you want for your funeral, for the grease gun will NOT fire? 4 armies did comprehensive tests on the OMS, Sten, Thompson and grease gun. The Owen left the others for dead starting with reliability in extreme conditions.
@FlightAndTrack
8 ай бұрын
@@ianlowery6014blah blah blah the m3 is better
@ianlowery6014
8 ай бұрын
@@FlightAndTrack That's good, you will get killed quicker and won't be able to make silly comments such as "blah, blah, blah". BTG, it was YOUR army which found the OMC significantly superior to the Thompson. The M3 is not much more than a cheap down graded version of the Thompson.
@FlightAndTrack
8 ай бұрын
@@ianlowery6014 oh so you want me to die . I see
@FlightAndTrack
8 ай бұрын
@@ianlowery6014 and the grease gun is more accurate and shoots a better round
@JDemonpbt
Жыл бұрын
The M1941 Johnson Light MG.
@enolastraight4829
Жыл бұрын
Do Soviet SMGs count as Allied? Because I think that at least PPS-43 deserves to be in that competition.
@joem5110
7 ай бұрын
In 1989 the Army was still issuing the grease gun to M113 apc drivers in the 78th Engineer Battalion.
@marijnvanriet3857
Жыл бұрын
I would choose the m1 lighter than the bar, more range than the smg's and it looks cool
@pweter351
Жыл бұрын
As an Australian Owen all the way another factor is price. Australia wanted Thompson's but the poms bought them all. As far as the question, I would go Garand
@g1llifer
Жыл бұрын
From everything I've read, besides special forces teams using it for specialized roles(OSS, Commandos etc), most of the infantry hated the Thompson.
@grigorione7824
Жыл бұрын
Johnson LMG is the WW2 gun Id choose. Oh wait.. you didnt mention that one.. so Ill go with the B.A.R. but only if it has a drum magazine!
@the.tricky.outdoorsman
Жыл бұрын
Greasy boy or the M1 Garand would be my choice. Having handled the BAR and the M1 Thompson before I would not want to lug those around Europe. Sidenote though, being a bolt boy myself, I'd happily take the 1903 springfield as well.
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
It was a tough call for me between the Grease Gun and the Garand. I'd probably go for the M3 myself though. SMG I think was more practical. If I would have opened it up to the M2 carbine, that would be my pick. I think of all the firearms on the Allied side, the M2 would have been the best. Probably because of its similarities to the Stg44, which I think is easily argued the best Axis weapon.
@the.tricky.outdoorsman
Жыл бұрын
@@armandgun I agree with the STG 44 being the best axis weapon of WWII. When did the M2 Carbine come into production? I thought it didn't see use until Korea. Thanks as always for the history lessons!
@GHefly445
Жыл бұрын
The 1903 has absolutely shit sights tho.
@the.tricky.outdoorsman
Жыл бұрын
@@GHefly445 okay let me rephrase the A3 or A4. Slightly better irons.
@GHefly445
Жыл бұрын
@@the.tricky.outdoorsman Thats fair.
@crusaderofcringe
Жыл бұрын
The owen is a reminder that prisoners make the best weapons in a pinch! 🇦🇺🇦🇺
@isaacesturt
10 ай бұрын
Best sub-machine gun of WWII. Sten: Am I invited?
@redtra236
3 ай бұрын
Sten is definitely one of the worst from a user standpoint
@mikes1172
Жыл бұрын
I don't want any of your choices, I want the Bren.
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
We'll do commonwealth arsenal another day.
@samuelhill755
Жыл бұрын
my answer: Easy! M1 Garand. (everyone loves the ping) I would also pick the M1A1 Thompson and a Machete. (TF2 Sniper-styled arsenal)
@samuelhill755
Жыл бұрын
or, if just 1, and I wanna go stealth/cheap, a STEN with suppressor & taped magazines, opposite sided.
@craigthescott5074
Жыл бұрын
I’ll take the Grease gun. I’m sure the Owen is a good gun it’s just ugly as hell and I can’t get used to the mag sticking up in the air.
@ObsydianShade
Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing it's because there isn't one in your collection, that it was left out, but going through France and Western Europe, I'd have wanted an M1 Carbine.
@canuckguns
Жыл бұрын
The owen gun is probably one of the ugliest and crudely made SMGs of WW2 lol its literally like plumbing pipes and an armrest from your grandmas rocking chair smacked together
@TheDecoyDude
Жыл бұрын
What about the sten?
@johna.zoidberg3049
Жыл бұрын
I initially looked at the title of the channel and honestly thought its literally just a floating arms talking and firing of guns. 😂😂😂
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
Fairly accurate. The firing part should return next spring/summer.
@pentultimatearsehole9190
Жыл бұрын
I'm biased, but B.A.R. first and then the Thompson
@damianousley8833
11 ай бұрын
When the Australian army phases out weapons, the local gun laws came into force. They were generally not sold on the market to local civilians. When unserviceable, they were decommissioned and destroyed.
@zacho6150
Жыл бұрын
My Merca’ is tingling seeing all those guns
@floriankempf1517
Жыл бұрын
I love the grease gun because it’s so simple.
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
Simplicity comes with drawbacks.
@floriankempf1517
Жыл бұрын
Yes but It’s not as heavy as the Thompson and more easy to shot than the Owen
@armandgun
Жыл бұрын
It’s more practical than the Thompson, but I disagree about it being easier to shoot than the Owen. I say the Owen is more effective both in semi and full auto due to better handling and lighter round.
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