this man literally used calculus II to determine the effectiveness of a civ's bonus
@ELZID10
3 жыл бұрын
This guy is math genius
@jppudlymcgowan8445
3 жыл бұрын
Integration isn’t that hard. It is still cool tho :)
@ahlunhaqqi2083
3 жыл бұрын
@@jppudlymcgowan8445 intergration isn't that hard once you learned it but mate, i haven't learn it yet
@ZenaWazaki
3 жыл бұрын
Nope, it's not cal2.It's just a small part of cal1 or some teacher teach that in high school
@andresgarciacastro1783
3 жыл бұрын
Calculus 2? We get this level of math in highschool
@firockfinion3326
3 жыл бұрын
I am quite certain I am never going to do anything with this information in my life, even if I do ever play AOE2 again, and yet still I enjoyed the video. There's just something so satisfying about hearing about this game's number crunching.
@johnapple6646
3 жыл бұрын
Same idk why I even watch this channel. But it's so relaxing
@theinnkeeper768
3 жыл бұрын
For Khmer you also forgot to add that they need less mills if you go for a farm-based eco. I usually end up doing 3-4 mills in a boom game so that 200-300 wood saved. Beyond the fact that it's just nice to be able to throw down farms without setting up a gather point. It allows you to use some spaces you might not with another civ and requires a bit less attention/micro.
@brainwasher9876
Жыл бұрын
We need an update on this. Burgundians are now top-tier IMO, they can comfortably grab both horse collar and double bit axe in dark age and heavy plow/bow saw in feudal if doing fast castle while barely slowing down compared to a completely standard civ, and that snowballs fast. Plus, their team bonus gives them food in addition to gold from relics, and their unique tech makes their farms generate gold. None of their bonuses individually look like a big deal, but I find myself playing normally and suddenly I have enough food to hit 100 vills AND age up without even having to think about it.
@npmeyer77
3 жыл бұрын
Dawg your vids are so awesome. I love the time and effort you put into these. Not to mention you are the Meme Lord.
@kr8771
3 жыл бұрын
i really appreciate you including a margin of error on those numbers. high quality content right there (as always ;) )
@jessicaberry5596
3 жыл бұрын
One factor to the Huns not needing houses is that that also saves them construction time for every house they don't make. That opens up a lot of windows, most obviously resource collection time, but certainly other buildings that'd help secure a win as well.
@acidar
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who comes from other RTS games and looks down on the aoe2 community as a result, I have to say this could have been done a whole lot better. You can't go for full macro approach if you don't survive to the point when you can actually boom. Because of this, alot of other factors are important to account for. If your civ is woefully underwhelming untill castle age, the odds are you have invest that much more in military to survive untill you can boom. That would have given a lot more in-depth understanding of what civ is "better" at booming. Refer to the Win-Time Elapsed rate graphs you've made for each civ in your civ vids to start with.
@MadMalMan
3 жыл бұрын
But it isn't measuring that, it's a theoretical graph on what bonuses give the most resources by the time you hit the boom mark. Then you apply the extra variables to the game
@ruirodrigues2938
2 жыл бұрын
Britons boom feels super smooth, with the wood saved on TC spent on horse collar farms
@sorjhan2214
3 жыл бұрын
Mongols hunting bonus does help to consistently hit Feudal age faster and as a result Castle age too. But have to agree on Persians, Vikings and Teutons to be in the top three to be able to reliably hit 100 vills in the 26th minute.
@JSTM2000
3 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for some info on the wheelbarrow fix (from the latest patch), but I suppose it's really hard to measure. I suppose in short you could say: Wheelbarrow (and Handcart) has a bigger effect on economy than ever before, so it's even more important to not forget it and research it in time. (unless you're aztec/khmer)
@alex110200
3 жыл бұрын
Are you sure you did the integral correctly? I tried that aswell but it went kind of different: adding a jump but deducting a constant value(50f / villager) should actually be a bit smaller than that 6.8% value, at around 3.7% ... anyway nice vid keep it up u r cool
@roym2185
3 жыл бұрын
Got it, got it, got it, 10:32 wait you lost me... appreciate the crazy effort that must go into the one second of - they're about 7% faster.
@dingusegg5393
3 жыл бұрын
Never thought I'd see an integral used on an AOE 2 video but here we are
@daarom3472
3 жыл бұрын
Britons hugely underestimated here. You can reach castle age very fast AND make extra farms while keeping enough wood for TCs. That means the 3 TCs will work max capacity from the start and you get to castle age really fast.
@brilbin
3 жыл бұрын
Dang! I thought Mongols would be in there because they were mentioned at the beginning. Been having a lot of fun with that civ and am curious about how much the 40% extra hunting speed really helps.
@slushyjones4939
3 жыл бұрын
I think it helps by a lot. I think Mongols can get to Castle Age really fast because of the hunting bonus, so they could build more town centers
@CG-eh6oe
3 жыл бұрын
If you use a standard 27+2 build, it doesnt really help much. However, if you mix up your build and click up faster, you get something like the persian bonus and end up with more vills. Also, on black forest you can sometimes 7 or even 10 pigs, meaning you will drown in food and can click up super early.
@GarkKahn
3 жыл бұрын
You made a video about best civs to team up Now i want one about civs to COUNTER others That should be interesting
@gianblanco9580
3 жыл бұрын
I had a feeling spirit of the law would make an aoe 2 video
@DGrin1
3 жыл бұрын
Vietnamese, especially if you get gillnets, save 950 wood with all eco techs, Bulgarians can make 4 extra tc with starting stone; so many bonuses not considered! Persians start extra food and wood, Britons finish sheep faster, Mongol hunt can get them castle age extra fast on bf especially, inca Llama, double pop houses, stone discount all speed up boom.
@justlikeit417
3 жыл бұрын
Agree but i think he was going for a more general approach, still i think he should have taking account these small factors but then again it would be really had to calculate such depending variables, Also u forget Indians fishing bonus : )
@user-et3xn2jm1u
3 жыл бұрын
I think a table/graph is a good format, including both resources saved and when those resources are saved. Hopefulyl I made no errors. Britons: 400 wood @ Castle age Huns: 600 wood @ evenly spaced throughout game Japanese: 300 wood @ roughly Feudal age Celts: 700 wood @ evenly spaced throughout game Teutons: 1000 wood @ Feudal onward Malians: 400 wood @ evenly spaced throughout game Slavs: 500 food @ Feudal onward Aztecs: 500 wood/food/gold @ mostly early Feudal Vikings: 1000 wood/food/gold @ feudal onward Khmer: 250 food @ throughout game (and potentially 350 wood from advance bonus) Indians: 700 food + 100 gold @ 120 in Dark, 20 in Feudal, 600 in Castle, gold throughout game Cumans: 700 resource @ feudal onward Persians: 150 resource @ throughout game, BUT finish booming sooner Malay: 500 resource @ feudal onward
@DiOmiosdio
3 ай бұрын
Would love to see how newer civs compare to these- bengalis and burgundians probably blow these out of the water
@lexwayfarer5771
3 жыл бұрын
might want to consider that huns lose 100 wood for their house bonus and britons faster shepherds effectively give them +1 villager until their sheep is exhausted which is a pretty big deal in dark age that can assist advancing faster
@peterhowarth9494
3 жыл бұрын
Can you pleaaaaase do more AOE 3 DE videos? Maybe breaking down the different ways each regions Civs are played eg Europe/Asia/America, them proceeding to the civs themselves??
@RaynmanPlays
3 жыл бұрын
Finally, a video for me!
@giamarvel1736
3 жыл бұрын
Question about Malay: Can you do more research when you try 21 pop feudal with horse collar and double bit axe, in comparison with normal civs. I think you would get even more than just the 500 resources from 5 vils ahead because your feudal vils start working with double bit axe earlier (i.e. Arena) . Please up so that SOTL can research this :D
@bordiw.7634
3 жыл бұрын
I think u made a mistake with Khmer. They have the fastest FC and therefore build tcs earlier, get more Vils earlier etc. So the Bonus of both having to build Market/blacksmith ist worth alot more than just the saved ressources
@allanbenny8436
Ай бұрын
i was wondering why malians had gold mining free when it was something like 20% gold more collected but when i saw "indians civilisation " i realised it was older version of aoe 2 not the latest caucasian dlc
@kalleekstrom6770
3 жыл бұрын
Deducting the villager cost is a bit tricky though, assuming that other civs would want to produce those vils eventually.
@karlwetzler4872
3 жыл бұрын
Mongols are easily best on black forest. If you can get 3 or 6 extra boars you can put more vils on wood and stone. Then you can start castle age and build 3tcs straight away, all eco upgrades and have 300 food left over to make sure tcs aren't idle. Most other civs can only build 2 tcs straight away.
@Yeeaarg
Жыл бұрын
Im surprised that you didn't put chinise on there with the extra villager start
@tjt-kl9oe
3 жыл бұрын
what about Lithuanians starting with extra 150 food? they can get monster castle times off of it for faster boom imo
@gabrielwilliams5553
2 жыл бұрын
Technology research cost means the Chinses might have their own advantage of saving resources from reduced technology cost,, even if you only go after the economy technologies
@johnfist206
3 жыл бұрын
Lots of little mistakes in this video and it's starting to bug me so here are the ones I spotted: Pre-list: Goths have an eco bonus now, remember? It's free loom. Doesn't look like much, but it's better than Mayans' extra villager when you think about it (at 25 seconds in, both Goths and Mayans will have 4 vils and loom, with Goths, having not paid for loom, with 50 more gold). Britons: Completely overlooked their shepherding bonus? It doesn't save you any food but it sure makes collection more efficient. Huns: Forgot that Huns start with -100 wood. Celts & Teutons: With a bonus that only saves wood, it's more realistic that a player would realign their eco differently. Indians: Players start with 3 villagers, so the indians only save for 21 villagers in Dark age in a 24+3 build. Also, 8:39 says 'save save' in the middle. +10% gold collection is a castle tech, so no one will get this before 25 min (not to mention it costs resources to get which you will not be able to get back before 25 min).
@neko__lover
3 жыл бұрын
Pourtgusee has entered the chat
@puddingpudding7817
3 жыл бұрын
Fast Feitoria is good but very shit in middle game while everyone hit the pop cap
@kevinfernandez9029
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but only with 1000 of civilitation...
@martytu20
3 жыл бұрын
They do have a cheaper knight rush or archer rush, I'll give them that.
@Real_MisterSir
3 жыл бұрын
Feitoria is not good for booming tho, they only benefit you when natural resources are scarse, or you are being either raided or lacking space to expand. For pure eco and boom, they're quite bad for the pop they take up.
@twohandedswordsman852
3 жыл бұрын
MBL confirmed Portuguese boom is shit.
@kiwiir3482
3 жыл бұрын
Do you use mathematica for ploting your model ?
@greyraven9164
3 жыл бұрын
what about Vietnamese ? they save wood from upgrades.
@danielbentley7117
Жыл бұрын
No Burgundians? The cheaper and earlier age techs are huge for booming. Maybe this video came out before Burgundians were added.
@brainwasher9876
Жыл бұрын
This was over two years ago, when the Burgundian team bonus was an age earlier with no discount, effectively making them nearly useless.
@IgnacioJavier95
3 жыл бұрын
Por favor, pon subtitulos en español para todos tus videos!
@AndreasVNesje
3 жыл бұрын
for huns, shouldn't the lower amount of starting wood be deducted from the wood saved?
@behmquentin2197
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree on the methodology because the example and the data are based on the play of a few players, not sure it's relevant. But I understand that would be too much to watch and calcul with more players
@rickardberglund1564
3 жыл бұрын
now a question arises spirit Of The Law which is the top 5 best economy (eco) bonus ?
@robertagnew8997
3 жыл бұрын
Guess my math teacher wasn’t wrong when he said I was see integrals in the real world
@asjoowjcs9858
3 жыл бұрын
0:30 Holy Chris farm man, that's not even T90 farm anymore
@michaelandreipalon359
3 жыл бұрын
Did you say "T90 tank"?
@humphreybumblecuck5151
Жыл бұрын
That’s 100-150 for 200 pop? What about for 300?
@twinsen1949
3 жыл бұрын
You forgot the moral boost from Bulgarians' starting civ song making you play 90% better than everyone else.
@federicoparada8382
3 жыл бұрын
11 nice song
@TheGame_123
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 Like it man
@Neon-Lines
2 жыл бұрын
100%
@rubywest5166
3 жыл бұрын
0/10, didn't start the video with "Okay Boomers"
@janruudschutrups9382
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, you beat me to it! :D
@ss2gora0
3 жыл бұрын
"Okay Boomers, Spirit of The Law here"
@T-West
3 жыл бұрын
Ethiopian Siege Onagers with Torsion Engines are good at making things go Boom (especially with the x256 mod). Oh wait, maybe you meant something else by Booming...
@galliman123
3 жыл бұрын
Ultimate boom is e=mc2 trooper ;)
@nvmtt
3 жыл бұрын
so.......are you guys gonna do a collab?
@ivorstevens4075
3 жыл бұрын
The Ethiopian boom is quite good on Arena. No mining camp required with the extra gold. If you go FC and arrive in castle age, the full 500 bonus arrives before 15 Min. Spamming pikes bombard cannons and scorpions and it's an easy win.
@SonKunSama
3 жыл бұрын
Petards are great for booming. Lame joke, get out.
@jerryfernandes2022
3 жыл бұрын
Stop Commenting on your own videos SoTl!!!
@alexdemoya2119
3 жыл бұрын
**Sip** Yep, AoE2 is a good game
@btw6301
3 жыл бұрын
Based and monster-pilled
@bigmclargehuge3832
3 жыл бұрын
[Boomers dancing to "Tazer"]
@michaelandreipalon359
3 жыл бұрын
No. It's a GREAT game.
@RickJaeger
3 жыл бұрын
Yup.
@Difftom
3 жыл бұрын
So say we all.
@NotSimo
3 жыл бұрын
Aaaaaah Im gonna boooooooom AAAAAAAAGH
@DCdabest
3 жыл бұрын
Oh fuck. It's *the* Simo! What's your fave civ dude? Inb4 Berbers main
@nvmtt
3 жыл бұрын
do you even play AOE? I thought you as more of a paradox guy.
@NotSimo
3 жыл бұрын
@@DCdabest anything that can rush in feudal
@NotSimo
3 жыл бұрын
@@nvmtt aoe is my favorite rts of all time and the first game I played after my parents purchased my first pc as a 12yo
@IVIRnathanreilly
3 жыл бұрын
You should upload a game if you still play, I'm sure a lot of us would watch.
@AgnusCavichioliPereira
3 жыл бұрын
When the police knocks at SotL's door: "Hi Spirit! Guys of the law here."
@Auspexel
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@encoreperformance1081
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Spirit Of The Law, Guys Here.
@PlokHR
3 жыл бұрын
Boomer humour on a boomer video, nice!
@Lakers24bn
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Spirit of The Guys, Law here.
@josiahgibson6373
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Law of the Guys, Spirit Here
@justxavier9999
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Guys of the Spirit, La Hire here
@madeiraislander
3 жыл бұрын
Law Hey Of The, Here Spirit Guys.
@jenesuispasbavard
3 жыл бұрын
Did not expect to see integrals on an AOE2 video.
@Darkcamera45
3 жыл бұрын
Yes whenever sotl uploads it a happy day:))
@gabenvandenbrink9114
3 жыл бұрын
Sotl of the law
@gosphor2826
3 жыл бұрын
Wow you weren't doing a pure math video like this for a long while. I'm sure it took a lot of effort to make this video, thank you!
@nilsp9426
3 жыл бұрын
This is so hard to quantify. Think of the decreasing value of resources over time (+300 wood in dark age would be crazy, +300 wood at 25 minutes you barely notice). Or think of the unit costs of units a civ encourages you to build: some are just more cost efficient than others (think of mass cav archers or paladins).
@karanrime8948
3 жыл бұрын
like the main reason people see Khmer as god-tier booming is because they typically boom into Khmer elephants, which are a sight to behold at lower levels.
@karonteazt3286
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, u are right, considering u lose 2 trebs bye any advantage...
@Jovian999
3 жыл бұрын
Aye, and there are plenty of intangible factors beyond raw resource advantage that determines a good booming civ. Those that can play defensively early on like the Koreans and Mayans suit a booming playstyle as well. The Huns bonus, of course, goes beyond wood saved because villagers that would be building houses are now doing other things with their valuable time.
@nilsp9426
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jovian999 I would guess that building time for villagers was already taken into account?
@thesolacecollective
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jovian999 You're dead right - even an extremely conservative estimate would be worth approx 150 resources with the 7.5min extra collections.
@Frontline_view_kaiser
3 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or is the sight of a nicely set up economy in AoE2 just so satisfying
@justxavier9999
3 жыл бұрын
8:49 Indians need Sultans before the 10% gold boost right?
@CrnaStrela
3 жыл бұрын
yeah, he forgot about the cost of that tech, probably confused it with Turks thinking it is a civ bonus and not UT
@tag180rotax
3 жыл бұрын
Came to say the same thing 11
@dassandman300
3 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this. -30% off their score.
@elf4914
3 жыл бұрын
@@Oxyggs You're right, in the long run it is definitely a solid boost, but as far as actually booming is concerned, it's not doing you any favours, since you're probably getting it around the time you've finished booming. So, for the purposes of this video, it won't help the Indians in that regard.
@Showsni
3 жыл бұрын
You know, I bet if you asked the man on the street "What were the Vikings best known for?" very few people would answer "Their wheelbarrows."
@cmckee42
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see an update to this video with new civs and new bonuses.
@Erik_Dz
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting that you included Malians, but didn't include Vietnamese. If you get every economic upgrade up to castle age that is 900 wood saved directly. No calculations needed. Comparable to the top 3. If you include gill nets that is another 200 wood on water maps.
@ottomann4846
3 жыл бұрын
but you don't need gold and stone upgrades to boom, so wouldn't it only be 600 wood?
@nothanks7475
3 жыл бұрын
No Chinese either.
@williantozzi5951
3 жыл бұрын
IF you get ALL upgrades. Does not happen often when booming til 25m mark bro.
@nicita27
3 жыл бұрын
Boom,Boom,Boom,Boom Fifth town Center coming soon Lets play a teamgame together I have resources forever.
@tvremote9394
3 жыл бұрын
Best booming civs? Pssh, OK boomer
@ramonantoniolli7379
3 жыл бұрын
For Celts, there is one more important factor to them: space for farms. Since they gather wood faster, this means they get more free space to farm, which is important in maps like BF (and specially in BF)
@Latexi95
3 жыл бұрын
I would be interested to see similar comparison for how much time it takes to full boom to 120 vills what would be the standard late game vill count. I think it might better represent the full effect of the different civ bonuses.
@Latexi95
3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe better cut of point would be some collection rate so collection rate bonuses would be taken better in account but that is quite hard to balance.
@dnd3edm2
3 жыл бұрын
Persians: not just for douching. I like what SOTL did better because if you're just booming past 25 minutes you're going to get curb stomped by the more aggressive player regardless of map
@Hennu_TRM
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I think the measure of a good boom is which civ can pump out vills fastest. Granted, that kind of testing is a lot harder to do, because certain bonuses allow some civs to do different builds to get faster castle times and more TCs out earlier...
@BoroMirraCz
3 жыл бұрын
I never thought that I would see integrals used in a youtube video (out side of math channels).
@kartiksaraf4676
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe a better/different approach could be to look to answer this question. Which pocket civ in Arena can complete it's boom the fastest and get ready to make military, whether it requires 140 vills for the civ or 100.
@catrielmarignaclionti4518
3 жыл бұрын
nobody plays arena, everyone plays forest nothing only, and thus, the best civ is celts, with better chopping + best compo
@nathangamble125
3 жыл бұрын
You can be "ready to make military" with completely different amounts of resources depending on what composition you're going for.
@shigerufan1
3 жыл бұрын
Slavs are the best arena civ from their farming speed bonus alone
@kartiksaraf4676
3 жыл бұрын
@@nathangamble125 that is my point exactly. It doesn't make sense to go 140 vills with goths, but franks need that much and thus effective boom is different for both
@kartiksaraf4676
3 жыл бұрын
@@catrielmarignaclionti4518 what about berry nothing or gold or stone nothing?
@quincunx2718
3 жыл бұрын
I have to object to the methodology here. Boom strengths vary significantly based on when you reach Castle Age, and many of these bonuses allow you to reach Castle Age sooner. For example, Celts can do a 23+2 FC into a boom (probably faster too; that was with building a mining camp on gold), Britons can do 22+2 because of their cheaper TCs (see JupeAoC's video: kzitem.info/news/bejne/1p2m1qCjhWJpkn4 ), Mongols can similarly do a faster uptime on maps with extra hunt (see T90's video on MbL's insane: Black Forest boom kzitem.info/news/bejne/x4OCnX9-oHyVp5w ), and Khmer can do some insane builds like 23+0. There's also the fact that the bonuses affect your actions during the boom as well. For example, as Teutons, you don't just build the same farms and get a wood discount. Instead, you're building a new farm every time you have 36 wood instead of every time you have 60 wood, meaning that you're producing farms significantly faster.
@SpiritOfTheLaw
3 жыл бұрын
I don't agree zeroing in on very specific build orders that are used by only the top 0.1% of players is a better methodology, and I think it's obvious this is intended as a purely theoretical approach for entertainment.
@connorbroderick7148
3 жыл бұрын
@@SpiritOfTheLaw I have to strong agree with Quincun on this one. the methodology is fun to look at, but is honestly very misleading. And I don't think its just for the 0.1% of top players. At 1300 elo solo or 1800 team elo that I play at, the speed at which a player hits castle age and the timing makes a huge difference. For example, if your castle age is slow, and you get attacked before having defensive TC's to garrison in you might lose more villagers, causing a huge loss of resources. This is seen more often in lower elo's than in higher, so I think the "only top 0.1% does this matter" argument falls apart quite quickly.
@ucallmeschnitzel
3 жыл бұрын
@@connorbroderick7148 But that wasnt the question. The point of this video was not to find the best fast castle civ, but the civ that has the biggest advantage ressource wise in going for a full boom.
@CG-eh6oe
3 жыл бұрын
@@SpiritOfTheLaw I really disagree with you there. You dont have to be top 0.1% to notice you can click up without building blacksmith/market as Khmer. Im pretty sure a good chunk of the playerbase at least somewhat uses the mentioned earlier FC-timings. Probably not perfectly, but it doesnt take an elaborate buildorder to click up a bit earlier with britons and go 26+2 instead of 27+2.
@connorbroderick7148
3 жыл бұрын
@@ucallmeschnitzel Sure but the title says "best booming civs" and I would argue that the biggest resource advantage is not a reliable indicator on who has the best boom.
@ottomann4846
3 жыл бұрын
You didn't do Chinese! I was interested to see how that one goes.
@rubywest5166
3 жыл бұрын
Something I'd probably have also mentioned is the civ's *defensive* capabilities. For example, Teutons aren't just great for booming because of their farming bonus- they're great because they're good for playing defensively, and getting long term value out of any defenses they build.
@amitvishwakarma7210
3 жыл бұрын
I'd say that malay boom requires a different approach with more houses and feudal fish traps... But still it may beat up any civ with infinite food banks...
@plumpedalpaca
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Spirit! Thank you for your video! Not sure how this would change your placement of Khamer, but you also save wood on the extra mills. Haha, not much more wood saved, but worth considering especially in the first 25 minutes.
@alexgergely7858
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Mayans could have been good to look at. Start w/ extra vill and resources last 15% longer. Their boom always feels so smooth.
@anthonytsang7468
3 жыл бұрын
I always feel like Viking when I'm using Mayans
@josephstevens5489
3 жыл бұрын
Man I had the best game in a 4v4 pocket mayan game. Fc'd plumes 1 tc, lucky res with close deer etc, finished fully castle upgraded just as 6 of them found a hole. Never raided all 4 players hard in a game before (10+ vills killed per player before post imp). Only really poss because of mayan eco. I had to watch it back in rec game and numbered the original 6 raiding party to see if any made it till end. 1 did.
@Neon-Lines
2 жыл бұрын
yeah Mayan eco easily among the best
@jptiz1
3 жыл бұрын
Videos like these make me want to make APIs that download ranked replay files, verify them and gather information about which techs were researched, villager counts for each player, etc. I have no idea if replay data is too restricted, but seems that it would be useful for these kind of analysis. Anyway, interesting video :) I was missing new ones from you.
@cfng3309
3 жыл бұрын
I am just lying on my bed and trying to sleep but BOOM SOTL has boomed my sleep away
@danielp.1594
3 жыл бұрын
Everybody watching this video knowing they're gonna pick Britons anyway.
@Progeusz
3 жыл бұрын
Because we actually play the game and/or understand what pros do when watching them.
@Shenaldrac
3 жыл бұрын
Something you didn't mention with the Huns that I thought of, is that not only are you not running the risk of getting capped because you forgot to build enough houses but also you never need to spend villager time building houses. So the time that would be spent by a villager building houses can instead go towards building other buildings you need, or gathering resources.
@krishmakhecha6969
9 ай бұрын
Pretty sure he included it in the equation for the cost of the house because a house is only 25 Wood per house but he got 33 resources per house meaning he included the time taken to build the house in terms of the resources which the villager could have harvested in the meanwhile
@davidahrner4876
3 жыл бұрын
Khmer does have faster up times though equating to a few extra vills
@pietroandradepastro3630
3 жыл бұрын
This is almost impossible to measure and certify. So many variables, SOTL would maybe take a Doctorate time analyzing all the possibilities. But anyways, keep the good work mate!
@nelsonmejiaslozada9362
3 жыл бұрын
dude, is a youtube video, chill
@Lunaraia
3 жыл бұрын
how much wood would a Malay player save from fish farming, though?
@big_don_bepis
3 жыл бұрын
Terrible analysis. The idea of a fixed pop age up is just stupid. You don't fully utilize the eco bonus of your civ... Why? A fair comparison would be fastest build for 3tc/4tc boom per civ. You'll find khmer 23+0 3tc or 26+0 4tc unbeatable.
@khatack
3 жыл бұрын
You should also take into account the fact that since reseeding farms is cheaper for Teutons, they don't need as many lumberjacks, saving the food cost of a few villagers.
@cengiztaner4754
3 жыл бұрын
We are reaching levels of scientific method that shouldn't even be possible
@hardlogic3046
3 жыл бұрын
I think this video misses the point almost entirely. You don't boom to save a few hundred resources by the 25 minute mark, you boom so you don't have to micromanage your economy and instead steamroll through. Therefore looking at the economic bonuses instead of quality of life (and therefore survivability) and lategame stability (to gauge how worth the boom is) is a mistake in my opinion.
@Tocaraca
3 жыл бұрын
Why are you not taking into account the extra villagers that you will have due to building the TCs earlier? Since Britons have cheaper TCs, they can do a faster castle age and immediately build two or even three TCs much faster than other civs and start pumping out villagers immediately, giving them a villager lead which helps the boom significantly. The same thing happens with the Khmer being able to advance without extra buildings (and having the faster farming rate), and the Mongols getting an insanely fast castle age time too.
@CryptoCurrencyNEWS-LIVE
3 жыл бұрын
A better test with less player introduced error would be to run 1000 AI vs AI games with random civ. At 25 mins review the game stats to see how much total resources they've collected and tabulate the data across all civs.
@federicoparada8382
3 жыл бұрын
I dont think that would be good, consider that actual gameplay includes that player introduced error, so we are talking about something real making this type of analysis. That ia analysis, to begin with, you wold have to program it like a TAS for each civ, beacause the AI is made to respond to the player`s strategy, and you would be telling it to just boom for 25 min. I think Spirit´s aproach is better and data worthy.
@doe6974
3 жыл бұрын
You brought up the Malay faster aging bonus. But not the resources saved from cheaper fish traps, no refreshing the fish traps, and not needing to get normal farms. It might be alot more complicated to calculate, but its definitely something that should be taken into consideration.
@jamesinciardi5099
3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Might have to experiment with that one on my own. It would only work on a few maps though. It would have to be a water map and fishing farms are so easy to raid with even a small navy. The Budapest map would work well. You would still have to chop a LOT of wood to make fishing ships and (long lasting) fish traps. Big masses of fishing ships also bump into each other more than farmers unless you built more docks, which is expensive… I bet you SOTL thought about this but it would depend on how many docks you want to build, how much wood is on the map. He was probably like, “Forget it! Just going to leave that question blank.” Ha ha… anyway, in my opinion, I think booming with fish traps would be slower than farming, but it’s hard to say for sure. What do you think?
@doe6974
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesinciardi5099 @James Inciardi ive been maining malay for the last yearish. I havent noticed any difference of booming potential lost due to using fish traps vs farms. In fact, it might be even easier. Ive considered using fish traps for even other civilizations. As on a wood/food ratio fish traps are more efficient than any other farming method. Even compared to imperial age farms. As for the pathing, its not bad at all. As long as you dont have 3 traps side by side, and the traps themselves are at least 3 tiles away from the dock. Youll have no issues with ship pathing. I usually rely on berries, boars, and sheep until feudal age(19-25 vils). At that point i have 6-10 doing food, and the rest on wood, and about 2-3 fishing boats getting normal fish. Once i get feudal age, i get another 2 docks(if they fit) and pump out those ships, with almost all my vils going to wood, or building infrasrructuce. One or two on gold so i have enough for castle age. Get about 10ish fish traps and im progressing well. Idk if other peiple do this, but with the exception of the first 5 villegers(on food), i rally all newly created vils to the lumber gulags.
@-Raylight
3 жыл бұрын
Best booming civs? I guess you could say that civ is such a boomer xD Vikings is the number one huh... Guess that's why *Fatslob* really likes to use Vikings
@OSU2010
3 жыл бұрын
I wish they gave the Byzantines an early Eco bonus
@burningsinner1132
3 жыл бұрын
Early eco bonus would make them too big of pine in the arse. They have good tech tree, very sturdy buildings, they stomp infantry and got cheap trash/camels. Eco bonuses would allow them to get their castle age faster and that would invalidate scout/knight rush and enable (relatively) early agression, resulting in easy imperial age jump. If Byzantines will ever get early Eco bonus, so should the goths.
@hansoskar1911
3 жыл бұрын
Funny enough I think it is fairly hard to maximise Teutons boom bc it is so unusual in how much wood you need. Even absolute toplevel players have easily 400ß wood floating in castleage without noticing bc Teutons make boom so easy. so it is easy to have a really good boom with teutons and hard to have a great boom bc you adjust your builds so much and if oyu start with teutons you will develop bad habits. Khmer is really tricky: their bonuses allow for a 23 pop FC into boom which is kinda insane so they get their 3 TCs earlier than other civs and you also propably shouldnt resarch wheelbarrow at all bc you farmer dont profit as much. Ethiopians save another 100 wood bc on Arena they dont need to collect Gold for Castle Age and get a quick 25+2 FC. I thinkt the Persians need a bit deeper to really understand what the bonus really does. whent hey had +5% in darkage it felt really insane.. I think you also forgot their starting +100 res.
@obesechicken13
3 жыл бұрын
I think Mongols might be #1. I've seen the 22+2 into fast castle into 3 tc builds before. You can add a 4th tc later. It's a ridiculously greedy arena build but it gets to castle faster than other civs due to the hunting bonus which allows them to make villagers soonest.
@Pr0manStream
3 жыл бұрын
SoTL - 3:00: You did not consider the -100 wood penalty that you will inevitably be behind by default. While it's true that those -100 wood are basically included into the first 3 houses every other player would have to pay, it does not strictly translate into a 630 wood bonus as you still have to make up the -100 initial wood lost by being huns.
@mikecrabb2165
3 жыл бұрын
This video proves that you can get a statistic to say anything you want, no matter how wrong it is. Saying that "these civs are the best if everyone uses the same build to accomplish something" negates the point of having different civ bonuses in the first place. It's like saying "Mongol scout rush isn't better than anyone else's because they all use a 21-pop build." You don't need to be a pro player to realize that different civs can accomplish a goal in a different way than other civs. If you want to see who ACTUALLY has the best boom, play each civ on Arena vs AI and see how long it takes you to get to 120 vills, or whatever metric you want. Applying math to a generic build and calling it The Answer is misleading and just plain wrong.
@xanderberg3653
5 ай бұрын
I think it’s fine. Of course, real games are always more complicated than toy models. Its true that no one should conclude from the video that one civ is The Answer and I don’t Spirit has ever expected people to get anything out of his videos other than some more game knowledge, satisfaction from seeing well presented applied math, and casual entertainment.
@gluteusmaximus8881
3 жыл бұрын
Obligatory "ok boomer"
@1un4cy
3 жыл бұрын
When you win with huge economy and your opponent is just like 'ok boomer'
@jumpropejeremy
3 жыл бұрын
You're a math teacher's perfect response to when students say "yeah but when am I ever going to use this?"
@Greenicegod
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah! The answer is always video games!
@inancmustafa
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Math and Age of Empires 2. My favorite combination.
@antthegord9411
3 жыл бұрын
When your civ wears "ok boomer" as a badge of honor
@slimjong-un5743
3 жыл бұрын
Boomer should be honourable anyway. Look at the pathetic mess that gen z is. Anything compared to that is honourable.
@emilkerik1609
3 жыл бұрын
Second
@LopedeCrypto
3 жыл бұрын
With Cumans in Arena I arrive at Imp Age at 25 min with massive economy. 100% of games better economy than all the other players. Doesn’t mean I always win, but in terms of booming, once you master the 2TC in feudal, the growth is huge, even if you get to Castle age later. They never catch you up. In fact, I spend 25 seconds in Castle before clicking to Imp. I queue 1 vill in one TC, build a Uni (siege workshop was built on the way to castle age) and instant click to Imp.
@justxavier9999
3 жыл бұрын
great VID SOTL! Big help to a booming nub like me.
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