No need to apologize for the length of this video. Like always another informative well done video. Thanks
@dale2625
4 жыл бұрын
That's good an all. But nobody talks about cold weather affects on Compasses!
@captainchaos3053
4 жыл бұрын
@@dale2625 now your really getting in depth!
@dale2625
4 жыл бұрын
@Eye of the Tiger At the lease blow o. We're not always going to be in the most perfect weather! Some of my friends that watched live in colder climate States. Doing some snowmobiling in remote places! Got caught out in it. Noticed there compass didn't work right!
@shawncrowson1048
4 жыл бұрын
The hardest and most Priceless Compass I've ever worked with was a moral one.
@kanonierable
4 жыл бұрын
Does it come with or without adjustable declination?
@robbiekop7
4 жыл бұрын
As soon as you hit KZitem that compass hits serious magnetic disturbances in your equilibrium.
@bikebasket9594
4 жыл бұрын
You're a legend David and definitely my favorite dual survivalist. You and Cody were the golden age of survival reality TV programs.
@Fryinberg
4 жыл бұрын
I have been carrying that little Silva for years and is all i need for what I do.
@mechasartre3694
4 жыл бұрын
About time someone actually covered the nuances of compass choice! Never even seen the subject touched. I never leave for the trail without a compass and hard copy map.
@DenverLoveless
4 жыл бұрын
This video is great with my morning coffee. No apologies necessary. There is a new crop of learners every day.
@dibertos
4 жыл бұрын
From the title, I would have guessed this was a sponsored video. Boy was I wrong! You've answered all the questions I was looking for some time ago. Very inormative Dave!
@coleparker
4 жыл бұрын
Good Video. As a professional for over 40 years now semi-retired Archaeologist, I have used the Brunton Pocket transit to make field maps, I now have The Army Compass, which I play around with, but in the main I tended to use the Silva Ranger 2.0 models and Ranger 515 model rather than the Suunto.
@danpost4755
4 жыл бұрын
Sharing your knowledge of the different options and applications is much appreciated. Thanks Dave. Keep the great content coming!
@SurvivalOnPurpose
4 жыл бұрын
As usual, I learned something new. Thanks as always Dave.
@fredbalster3100
4 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. I love compasses. Tidbit:. Romans established 1000 paces equals one mile. A pace is two steps. Troops were required to count paces to determine mileage between cities.
@crypto118
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I was trained on a military compass, but the MC-2 is the best choice for most people , especially someone who is learning.
@blackwillowbushcraft5632
4 жыл бұрын
I bought the Suunto a few years ago at your suggestion,and never went back to any other compass..I do like that Silva though. Thank you for all you do brother 💪💪
@Wuulu
4 жыл бұрын
Check out Suunto MCB
@mab0852
4 жыл бұрын
Great overview Dave! I wish I could convince the parents of my Scouts to get MC2s out of the gate. No matter how many times I tell them MC2 or look for made in Finland, they go to Walmart and buy a cheap compass that's either DOA, loses magnetism quickly, or bubbles in a month or less. I have a stack of dead ones I use as teaching examples. My 2 Globals have been around the world and are still going strong. They've also saved me many hard miles of rerouting when the fidelity on the GPS or the map on my phone would've sent me down the wrong fork on a trail. Just as important is understanding and using a topo map. We do a lot of cross country orienteering scavenger hunts in Scouts. Being able to pick the fastest route and stay on bearing in tough terrain is an art in itself. That would make a great follow up video.
@VictoryOrValhalla14
4 жыл бұрын
Still have my original issue compass from 30 years ago, thanks Uncle Sam.
@JohnDoe-ee6qs
4 жыл бұрын
Hows the tritium doing ?, any life still in it?,
@alaskaraftconnection-alask3397
4 жыл бұрын
Nice presentation Dave. My ol' vintage, well-used, durable, and trusted compass was the SUUNTO WWII-type Finnish Military model (metal w/ leather strap). Before GPS... It was my go-to for exploring , needed tool as an apprenticing river guide, and carried into outfitting and leadership of fully-guided expeditions. During college days on orientation classes and competitions, it always cleaned the competitor's clocks to other's bewilderments. Nowadays, it's a still working special keepsake. Funny story: I was leading an exploratory multi-mode mountaineering, trekking, and rafting month long tour for a party of 15 German folks. They wondered why I'd hardly ever looked at the maps and seamingly did not take many readings/bearings with a compass. I told them the Caribou know the way, and we shall use that guidance to or destination as better direction seeking than any compass. Our trek would take us from deep in the Brooks Range Mountains to where we would find our boats cashed to start the river segment as the goal. Over several days and miles the Caribou had led us
@kirkhepburnmiddleagedwhiteguy
4 жыл бұрын
No one explains it like Dave. Thank you sir.
@brandonneuman1317
4 жыл бұрын
I own 2 compasses a M2 artillery compass, and a suunto MC-2. And man, I enjoy the MC-2 so much.
@kieronbevan7489
4 жыл бұрын
People always seem to totally underestimate the importance of a map and compass. All this GPS stuff but you can't beat BNG and stuff like that. Good video. Keep reminding them!!
@ernestpaul2484
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Gen. Parker was like that...he came out to SUT one day at Mackall while I was working there as a DOD contractor during some "Round Robin" training and the active duty cadre was going over the basic use of a map and compass... the general actually made a remark about the gee-whiz technology with GPS and whatnot being the best thing since sliced bread...that compasses were obsolete blah blah blah...the future is now and blah blah blah...I wanted to give him my GPS minus the batteries and drop him off in the training area with a reasonable time limit to get back...after driving him around in circles for awhile...if you can't handle the basics using a compass and reading a map when your "the future is now and technology is next to Godliness" fails you...you are screwed...or worse...
@sheerwillsurvival2064
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve used and still use my old military lensatic M-1 compass the m- 2 were used by field artillery I use my m-1 as my primary over GPS when I hunt out west works great no battery’s 😎
@alexanderweaver4838
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dave...always learning something new when I watch your channel. I picked up the Suunto MC2 after watching an orienteering video by Shawn Kelly. Great video and I carry the notes taken on all of my hikes so that I can practice. I also have one of the military compasses that was given to me as a gift from a friend when we were both active duty circa 1972. We were on a deployment in Morocco and that compass saved my ass. While browsing on Amazon I found a pocket Brunton glow in the dark compass and tested it against the Suunto and it's okay but if my life were at stake the Suunto MC2 and a set of pacing beads would always be in my pack or pocket.
@bocah_hutanreal666
4 жыл бұрын
May you always have a great health master Dave!
@jimbobtheimpaler8403
4 жыл бұрын
Loved using them compasses - the second one - in Land Nav. Had mighty nice results with em.
@danieljames2718
9 ай бұрын
Brought back images of my army days. Thanks for the video. Keep posting. Brilliant at explaining. Good instructor. Bye for WALES!
@williamgregory6684
2 жыл бұрын
I just found this channel. You and Blackie Thomas are the best and the most informative instructors that I have seen. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your videos. Thank you for your presentations.
@Jack_Hunt
2 жыл бұрын
Great video Dave. Spot on regarding compasses. Buy once, cry once. The Suunto Mc2 is perfect.
@mrd7067
4 жыл бұрын
I carry button compasses and they`re what i use by far the most (in a pants coinpouch backup at other places). Especially when in cities. I have used others and own another one but that`s the one i use most but then again i`m in central europe and it`s hard to get really lost here when in the countryside.
@JohnDoe-ee6qs
4 жыл бұрын
The British M-73 or M-88 prismatic march compasses are also fantastic compasses extremely accurate available in mils and degrees.
@alanfisher7932
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave! This really clears things up for me on compass purchase. Also, the mini screwdriver that you mentioned in your SAK is great if you need to tighten the screw on eyeglasses! I was teaching many years ago (15-20) in a Christian school and had several kids ask me to fix their glasses. The screw would come out. When SAK came out with that gem I bought it and kept it at the ready for students' glasses. Never thought to use it for declination screws on compasses! Thanks.
@anotheryoutuber_
4 жыл бұрын
Brunton TruArc 3 Compass.... favorite compass, sure its not the "best" but it does the job well and sometimes better than more expensive compasses for fifteen dollars.
@whomagoose6897
4 жыл бұрын
Used the Brunton artillery compass in the Mortar platoons back in my Army days. The military/artillery Brunton transits show NATO Mil-radians instead of true Mil-radians. NATO Mil-radians have 6400 Mils in a circle. True Mil-radians have 6283 Mils in a circle. The difference between NATO and true Mil-radians may get you off course.
@StarwaterCWS
Жыл бұрын
I taught myself how to find latitude and longitude using a Brunton Geo azimuth compass. Difference from the pocket version is a hinge degree inclinometer. Simple set up, for precision work I include a precision solar watch, a Brunton tripod and tables for declination and GMT SNT, as well as a lat/lon map to record position. It’s a fun thing to do.
@m005kennedy
4 жыл бұрын
I got the first compass you showed in a box of yard sale junk! It has a crack in the glass. But after your video I’m definitely going to figure out how yo use it.
@ernststravoblofeld
4 жыл бұрын
It's very nice, and the glass can be replaced. I like them because they were made to be dropped on rocks by geologists.
@m005kennedy
4 жыл бұрын
@@ernststravoblofeld good point, I never thought of that.
@phillully4472
4 жыл бұрын
Lots of compasses Dave. Glad you took time to explain the differences between each type.. many thanks.
@asmith7876
Жыл бұрын
We used the M2 in the Army almost 40 years ago to orient our gun system. I bought a Cammenga in 1988 when I got out and it still glows nicely! I recently bought the MC2 and have started playing with it. Compared my Cammenga to the MC2 to my iPhone…I’d trust any of them, at least until my phone battery died 😂.
@Stoney_AKA_James
4 жыл бұрын
Good review Dave! I have a Cammenga Mil-Spec tritium lensatic compass and a Suunto MC2 compass, but being an "old" Ranger who is still very good at land nav (backpacking, orienteering, etc.), my primary compass remains the Mil-Spec tritium lensatic compass, eventhough I understand the multi-use advantages of the MC2, it is my backup compass.
@UniversalSovereignCitizen
2 ай бұрын
If you haven't seen Dave's comprehensive tutorial series on navigation, do download it. It's divided into sections to make it easy. Like leaning to walk, you'll just need practice. It's approximately 4years after this video. (Best I've seen anywhere.)
@19ghost73
4 жыл бұрын
As somebody who has owned & used various compasses for the last 35+ years in army & bushcraft applications I second the small & lightweight "SILVA Ranger SL". I've used it on long UL solo hikes with success in the Ukrainian Carpathian Mountains, a wild terrain without much signs & paths. An equally capable model is the RECTA DP6G / SUUNTO MB-6NH. The advantage is that the mirror folds downward so that the image isn't inverted, as compared to all other sighting compasses with an upward folding mirror. Regards from Germany, Gereon
@LikeUntoBuddha
4 жыл бұрын
I still use the compass from my orienteering class at the University of Florida. It was 1980 and I was also a Army ROTC cadet, lol.
@Jimbo171000
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video full of important information. I like my Silva Ranger best so far.
@shango02005
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the info, Dave! I've been trying to decide on a compass for a while and was getting discouraged with conflicting info. I trust your opinion and I think I've made my decision. Thank you, sir!
@keystoneprepper
4 жыл бұрын
Relearned land nav years ago with your videos and invested in the recommended compass your talking about; wow; it makes navigating way easier; wish the MIL would have used this style..
@shawnscotchman3761
2 жыл бұрын
That's is the first time hearing about a pocket base plate compass. I'm going to look out for one of those.
@Outcaste153
4 жыл бұрын
I'd agree the MC2 is a great compass, I use the cammenga personally. Great video and stay safe.
@markpoore3260
4 жыл бұрын
Suntto Mc 2 only thing I’ve carried for yrs never had a problem
@trynsurviven2440
4 жыл бұрын
I like the direction you went with this. Thank you for pointing out the pro’s and con’s of these compasses.
@SnowyOwlPrepper
4 жыл бұрын
I have the pocket transit, the geological version. I have even found it suitable for cave mapping.
@hdbagger4266
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video...I leaned how to use my compass when I started hunting ,that was 50 years ago ,im 65 now lol...Im no expert but it saved my ass from getting lost many of times on unfamiliar hunting grounds..Kids today would rather buy a gps than learn anything new lol thanks for the video
@EnigmaEightEighty8
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I know a hundred Times more than I knew b4 watching. Thank you.
@lambertodgr8
2 жыл бұрын
I bought compass for $10 in 1957 I still have it .the mirror is rather scratched but it still works
@CristiNeagu
Жыл бұрын
The baseplate compasses are the best for map work. They're the easiest to use when getting a bearing off the map or when transferring a bearing to a map, because you don't need to align the map with north. Lensatic compasses are the best for sighting bearings, but they do need the map to be aligned with north. The Cammenga also has the disadvantage of not having a 1 degree scale, working only with 5 degree increments, and the mil scale is also slightly bigger than 1 degree, and the bezel only rotates in 3 degree increments, which means you can't get better than +/- 1.5 degrees with it. This may be offset by the build quality, since some baseplate compasses might not be able to achieve that +/- 1.5 degree accuracy despite having 1 degree increment scales.
@maxpinson5002
4 жыл бұрын
JMO- I've had one of the military cammenga units I gave seventy bucks for. It stuck on it's axis and got me bad lost in the wee hours. My buddy had one that did the same in the sticks at 10,000 feet, so needless to say I don't use those. My old 40 year plus Silva still does ok. I think the majority of folks just need the needle to point correctly every time and all the other stuff is superfluous
@Bob-lt5hf
4 жыл бұрын
WOW! About time Dave. Great video. Next would you do a Update on basic compass operation in the field?
@DavidCanterbury
4 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@Bob-lt5hf
4 жыл бұрын
@@DavidCanterbury Thank You! I have alway's watched you from Dual Survival and ever since you started on KZitem. Your a inspiration to your craft, knowledge, and teachings. I look forward to your next video.
@Oldspartan65
2 жыл бұрын
I once looked at some walmart compasses i had to laugh when i seen that they were all pointing in a different direction
@simoneboxler1065
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video! you have to try the RECTA compass... just amazing. Is actually the compass in use in the Swiss Army.
@theeddorian
2 жыл бұрын
I made a living using a Brunton pocket transit for navigation and mapping in archaeology. For adjusting magnetic declination on a Brunton, a dime or penny is ideal. A trick you can use for orienteering is to hold compass with mirror partially elevated near your body. Hold the body level using the bulls eye level. You look down into the mirror and see the sighting arm with the hair line which can set vertical to the compass dial. You align the hairline in the mirror with the hair in the sighting arm. Look at your target with both hairlines together and read BOTH ends of the needle. In this orientation, with the mirror near your body, the white end is the declination from you TO your target. The black end of the needle is the declination FROM your target to you. You will find there are a number of tricks you can employ. The mirror for instance can also be used as a signal mirror, and has a hole through compass lid for that purpose.
@Mattslockshop
4 жыл бұрын
Dave, good info, thanks for the break down. Like the suunto. Looked for the pocket compass, right now it is coming up as unavailable. Silva was my backup compass on the army and I carried the pocket one but it got lost in travels and been looking for awhile to replace. Thanks again.
@snaponjohn100
4 жыл бұрын
I could listen to you for two hours Dave. Don’t ever think that you’re not very interesting. The amount of knowledge you have is incredible. Your willingness to dispense it is a blessing to all of us. God bless you. John
@pastortlc1
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent clarification! Thank you Dave!
@PISQUEFrancis
2 жыл бұрын
I was a surveyor for almost 40 years and of all the equipment I bought, the one thing I wanted, was a Brunton(for some reason, everyone referred to this as an "After Brunton" ... do not know why) Surveyors don't really use the Brunton(or any compass), to survey, as much as to "re-survey", or trace old properties that had originally set up by compass(with a recorded date(i.e., June 1, 1947), so the declination for the original survey can be ascertained, and compared to the present day declination ... A big issue with this is that all along a property, local attractions may effect the original compass readings. A surveyor's Transit will not indicate bearings affected by local attractions, and magnetic readings(reverse and forward), should present an exterior or interior angle, Always "re-survey", with similar equipment, to get similar results.
@mikem3929
4 жыл бұрын
on your recommendation a few years ago i got the Suunto and love it.. i don't use it that often but it is easy to read and does everything i need it to do and yes the magnifier will light char material lol
@Stang413
4 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. I have had a Suunto M-3 for a few years and plan to upgrade it in the future.
@Atkrdu
4 жыл бұрын
I went with a K & R Alpine compass & it was about $50 (I think it was a little more). Oil in a semi-flexible case, polished aluminum mirror, 4x magnifying glass & the glow in the dark stuff is bright.
@DavidCanterbury
4 жыл бұрын
I like the K&R as well the issue with them is supply chain more than anything, and the accuracy is a bit less equal to Sunnto due to bezel design
@imranfotography
4 ай бұрын
Well informed and great help 👍👍👍👍
@LGSkywalker82
4 жыл бұрын
I have the MC2 but will definitely be getting the Silva. Thanks Dave!
@jonesy19691
4 жыл бұрын
I've got an old engineer compass and it works pretty damn well!
@b4d69
4 жыл бұрын
i learned what declination is. that's good.
@ding174
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Love that mini Silva
@jeremywilfong8133
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Dave, always good to refresh your knowledge on different compass, and land nav.
@QuantumPyrite_88.9
4 жыл бұрын
It's amusing how many will never purchase a basic Silva compass and learn how to use it , but they will purchase a compass like the M-2 and NEVER learn how to use it . You don't need an advanced compass with mil rad graduations until you master a basic compass and a MAP .
@jimmaclellan930
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation! Thank you!
@scamperstephen4811
2 жыл бұрын
Some great advice mate thanks
@samanthatheriot8879
Жыл бұрын
Very helpful video, thank you !
@hremaddox
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, David.
@Mixedpuppy
2 жыл бұрын
That was awesome!!! Very informative and educational! Thank you!!!
@chrisgerwitz8852
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the information on the compasses
@IMAXXHEW
4 жыл бұрын
Brunton. Made in U.S.A.
@hoosierarcher
4 жыл бұрын
I paused the video and bought a Suunto MC-2 and started looking for the Silva but I missed the model name. Rewatching to see if you mentioned it. Thanks for sharing this information!
@AlexWander
4 жыл бұрын
definetly a very helpful video, thanks!
@FalconBushcraft
4 жыл бұрын
Just got the silva pin on compass not long ago and its great.
@ParrotEater
4 жыл бұрын
Very good video
@feardabeard7635
Жыл бұрын
My G-Shock Rangeman has a compass and its awesome dean on.
@donaldgerig9515
4 жыл бұрын
P.S., even though I now go fishing, hunting, backpacking etc., with GPS and an InReach Explorer 2-way satellite communicator which includes SOS capability (both with battery backup) , I always carry my map and compass backup. At 74, pretty soon I won't be able to carry all this navigational aid (ha ha).
@lpark8
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Concise and practical advice as always 🙏😎
@stevechandler3097
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave. Gave me the information I needed
@robmarcotte
4 жыл бұрын
Dave quick question. When storing compasses in your haversack will it be affected by your tools made from metal in the long term?
@joe_outdoors_
4 жыл бұрын
Same question I have. Will accuracy be compromised long term?
@slickydicky
4 жыл бұрын
It will. I've always been told to store a compass by itself away from as much metal as possible, like in a non-steel toe boot in the bottom of your closet, for the long term
@captainchaos3053
4 жыл бұрын
In my experience it's not that big of a deal. How can I keep my metal cased compass away from metal? Don't over think it. Unless you intend to travel hundreds of miles without rechecking your bearing you will be fine. I have walked and diven countless miles with a compass taped to the fore grip of a rifle.
@robe1kanobe
4 жыл бұрын
I have the Cammenga as my go to with a set of ranger beads on it.. I do the PAULS nav as well, it works great for that. Have the K and R that is like your Suntto but it just doesn't do it for me, except for the survival reasons you described. Hope all is well, Great Vid.👍
@Ghost_Os
4 жыл бұрын
Compasses are definitely not something to cheap out on, and button compasses have to be the worst. They stick constantly. Sometimes north is west, sometimes west is south, sometimes south is south. They're not even consistently inaccurate. Great video Dave.
@corwinchristensen260
4 жыл бұрын
I actually steer away from gear that has a button compass as a "feature."
@mickbeck2666
4 жыл бұрын
Suunto clipper only button compass worth it.
@garypatag3478
4 жыл бұрын
thank you for the info about the compass types.
@bushcraftdiva
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I have been doing so much research on this.
@zoolanderfred
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks brother, this helped me a lot, well, all your videos do. Thanks again.
@mmartinez3619
2 жыл бұрын
That was an outstanding informative video. Thank you
@asotineightyeight6514
4 жыл бұрын
You might note that compasses intended for use in the Northern Hemisphere are not built for use in the Southern Hemisphere. The needle is balanced/weighed differently for use in one hemisphere over the other. You might also mention that what makes the needle float is important (type of oil or other fluid).
@DavidCanterbury
4 жыл бұрын
The MC2 Global works in either Hemisphere
@mikefogle5874
2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff man. Thanks. Hope to make a class sometime.
@thefutureapocalypse
2 жыл бұрын
Thank You!
@DevinAkin
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Thanks!
@MA-hc6mb
4 жыл бұрын
That last one is *very* similar to the RAF survival compass for pilots. Also includes a sun watch, for working out what time it is. Very nice bit of kit, especially for weight/size. Button compasses are trash.
@MA-hc6mb
4 жыл бұрын
I'll correct that - It appears to be the modern version of what I have!
@jamessix60
4 жыл бұрын
Worth the wait as usual. Thanks again sir.
@downeastprimitiveskills7688
4 жыл бұрын
My Sylva has a screwdriver on the lanyard. Similar to the CM2 My Sylva has an air bubble in it, I still use it.
@shanhutchison7332
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestions. I now have better options, imo. Freedom not Fear.
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