Most people view hardtails (traditional MTBs) as entry level MTBs now anyway. Whether they cost 5k or £500, they ride as a hardtail and have the same limitations. A proper MTB now is a full susser, hardtails add a touch of nostalgia to your stable 👍
@Kevodabomb_Media
Жыл бұрын
@@richardburns5925I started with a hard tail, went to a YT Jeffsy, and am now going back to an aggressive hard tail. The YT was fun and super capable, but it didn’t make me laugh as much as my cheap Giant Talon did. I personally enjoy the “sketch factor” 😂
@lawrencerose9721
2 жыл бұрын
How many times Ive watched these (very thorough) videos and cringed whenever the guy on the left talks over or interrupts the guy on the right.. It hurts every time.. Good testing though..
@fulldonkeymode8837
2 жыл бұрын
THIS
@richarde1355
2 жыл бұрын
Have to agree. For the first half of this video I didn’t mind what you and others making similar comments meant, but the second half of the video underscored the interrupting. I think it was/is they have very different talking paces, and the guy on the right would overlook certain key talking points (gearing, brakes and grips, etc) and the guy on the left would ‘lead’ the other guy towards sharing that info.
@charleshazen5779
2 жыл бұрын
Came here for this comment
@ondrejmanych5688
2 жыл бұрын
There is one thing that is common for Kona and Voodoo. Joe Murray (even tho he isnt with the brand anymore, but the mentality of their bikes is still there). So these bikes must be good and fun.
@letour32rr
2 жыл бұрын
I can vouch for the Rockhopper frame. I had the previous generation (2018) but it was flexy and the geo wasn’t inspiring. It had a factory bad weld so I was given a warranty replacement 2022 Rockhopper frame and it’s night and day different (better)! Stiffer, shorter seat tube, longer reach, and slacker head tube. I generally like XC geometry, so this is a perfect middleground between my 2011 Epic FSR and my 2021 Polygon Siskiu D6. Built it up with Carbon wheels, XT 1x11, EC44 lower cup to take a tapered 120mm Reba fork and PNW Loam 170 dropper. It shreds at 27 lbs. It’s honestly my favorite bike currently. Climbs like a goat, descends like mad.
@miguelkieling532
Жыл бұрын
Wow. You should make a video of this bike!! If you do, please let me Know
@rafajuice3228
2 жыл бұрын
Just got my hands on a second hand 2022 Mahuna and loving the ride. Fast stable powerful drive. Love the purple color also.
@celynjones4958
2 жыл бұрын
Been riding Kona hardtails since the 90s. Never had a bad one, always fun, stable, and long-lasting 👍🏻
@wd99999
2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2018 Kona Honzo Carbon, best bike I’ve ever owned!
@quantumcreator8888
2 жыл бұрын
Kona knows there stuff .. I won honzo for many years 💪
@technodrone313
2 жыл бұрын
pretty sure all bikes cost less than a thousand pounds of weed. lol i got that rockhopper elite. its been great. fits perfect and is fun af to ride.
@casbmxuk
2 жыл бұрын
Why is the voodoo in a direct sales category when it should have been tested with the shop bought ? Only place I know you can buy one of these is halfords in UK?
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, you're right, the Voodoo can be bought in a shop. But because Halfords owns the Voodoo brand and sells it, it only needs to add one margin to the price - a brand like Kona or Whyte has to build in a margin at wholesale and then a margin at retail, so it's not a level playing field.
@Tyler_Shaw
2 жыл бұрын
What about the polygon direct sales bike? The xtrada 6 or 7 would have fit in your price range.
@Rab_Cee
2 жыл бұрын
Loving my ragley marley only payed £880 from chain reaction n kitted out with rockshox recon 130 solo air, maxxis minion dh 3c, shimano deore 1x10 sunrace 11-46t cassette, shimano mt400 brakes 180 rotors, nukeproof neutron wheelset n 2 tone paint job. Lovin it
@devinbyrnes8058
2 жыл бұрын
We need deals like that in Canada. Value town for an incredible bike.
@stevebennett3587
2 жыл бұрын
👌nice rig, i almost added it to my basket from chain reaction🤔great price but i wanted a 29er😅👍
@stephenlord599
Жыл бұрын
Must be time for filming 2023 Entry level bikes should be reviewed with a nod or more to upgrading 130 max travel in a HT ? My trailstar is happy with 160mm - it’s understandable sub £1000 bikes come with entry level forks but it’s also something most people are going to want to upgrade - limiting the geo is just going to limit fork upgrades Anything 5mm QR isn’t worth reviewing unless you can swap dropouts or you’re forever stuck with it. Severely limiting wheel and for the front fork upgrades. Nothing specifically that bad about QR except buying new wheels, especially mixed 15mm/5mm as a set. That then affects fork so it’s a economic dead end Straight headtubes are almost as limiting- better a tapered with a conversion crown race or you gain 10-12mm of stack using an external to use modern forks when you upgrade. There should be a penalty in this day and age for non tapered headtubes and 5mm QR. These are something saves pennies off a bike to the manufacturer but costs a small fortune to the consumer to upgrade. Nothing wrong with square taper other than weight unless you are laying down 500W - UN55 will outlast a frame and certainly any shimano or sram external BB just torque it up and use some thread lock Best part it’s BSA threaded so you can upgrade later (and don’t fit euro tapered cranks to Japanese tapered BB’s Whyte just build bikes for people with long legs .. if you can use a 120mm dropper on a whyte you can use 170 on pretty much any other brand. (My trailstar is running 200mm with 20 mm spare but I can barely slam a 120 on a whyte frame) Obviously most beginners looking at entry level bikes want something to ride straight from a shop or box but I built that shouldn’t be an excuse to use a frame that can’t be economically upgraded
@briankelliher5026
2 жыл бұрын
Where is the giant fathom?????????
@Edisimo
2 жыл бұрын
The trek is not a mountain bike, if it has that suntour fork. The big yellow sticker says so. That fork is awful
@ifitrollsrideit530
2 жыл бұрын
I'd have thought that Trek's X-Caliber 7 would be a better buy than than the Rosco at this price. The XC bike has better spec components and weighs less. Full Shimano Deore Hydraulic and a RS Judy.
@adamfrench8735
2 жыл бұрын
Lots of great bikes around that price from brands like Diamondback and GT that should be looked at.
@Consolethumbs
2 жыл бұрын
I just got the Specialized Fuse Expert 29r and its been a blast to ride.
@davegee124
2 жыл бұрын
the gold fork on the bizango i saw a fix online for it being harsh,they made a spacer for it out of an old credit card i think for the piston and it cured it.
@Stu411
7 ай бұрын
Got a link for this??
@StreetComp
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for such a great video, by far the most informative and helpful of all that I’ve watched
@bacburrito4225
2 жыл бұрын
Basically, spend more than grand….
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
We'd disagree with that summary.
@juluisreyes9094
Жыл бұрын
On one scandal.. aggressive hardtail..bang for the buck
@mikereynoldsguitar502
2 жыл бұрын
i just bought a Vitus Sentier 27-5 i had a Nucleous before that but the Sentier is just brilliant im in the process of upgrading and once Im done it will be awesome!!
@mikereynoldsguitar502
2 жыл бұрын
ive upgraded to a Mythique
@DragonBornish
2 жыл бұрын
Why no Nukeproof scout V3? Edit: didn't notice the £1000 pricepoint.
@s14tat
2 жыл бұрын
1000 lbs or less. It is priced at a higher price bracket.
@DragonBornish
2 жыл бұрын
@@s14tat then they should have called it budget hardtail of the year ;)
@D19944
Жыл бұрын
What does everyone think of the Whyte 801? For £875?
@peterjrmoore3941
2 жыл бұрын
just got a second hand Moots hardtale off of eBay. Apart from components it'll probably outlast me. But what a pleasure to ride. The previous owner is a mechanic of two plus decades and had changed out some of the components for a dream build
@LastAphelion
2 жыл бұрын
Moots are some of the most expensive bikes I've looked at how much was yours
@hashimimtiaz9860
2 жыл бұрын
I own the new bizango normal model and love it
@JasonSmith-qo9ln
2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking to buy my first proper mountain bike and I think i've settled on either the voodoo bizango Pro or the Kona Mahuna.. Either bike will give more that i will be asking for it and i might not even notice a real difference in quality and components! but the question is! How do I decide... Both bikes look incredible but the Kona it just WOW! i can also find it for £800 at a local shop where as the Voodoo is 950 and not in stock until September (if they don't sell out before I get chance!) but there's just something about the way they talk about the Bizango in this video that is drawing me too it! I spose i could buy the Kona and have £150 to spend on gear but i just cant decide! help me!
@dannyturner7967
2 жыл бұрын
@@ap6584 should have mentioned condoms as well
@SpecOpsCM
Жыл бұрын
Kona is a lot of fun.
@ssmtb
2 жыл бұрын
Too bad Ragley's bikes didn't make the price cut off, second to none for their value, versatility & ride quality (at their price range)
@Rab_Cee
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely just got a kitted out ragley marley for only £880 off chain reaction cycles (wiggle)
@ssmtb
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rab_Cee cheers 👌 I've got the Big Al for a year now, It's amazing (wouldn't mind getting their whole Alu Range though 😅)
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, and Ragley models have won previous Hardtail of the Year categories.
@j.albertogratacos2076
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the entry level / budget minded comparisons, but they don't make justice to the beauty of riding a real hardtail. These comparisons, without an equivalent open-budget one, are giving the impression that hardtails are cheap, entry level bikes. I have never seen a full blown, no holds barred comparison of top of the line hardtails.
@computerbob06
2 жыл бұрын
But why spend so much on an HT and not save a little harder for a full sus? These bikes, of course, may be the owners only MTB, or their HT when not using their full sus......... unless all MTBers should need to be rich (Eeb owners)!?
@j.albertogratacos2076
2 жыл бұрын
@@computerbob06 I agree that if you have only 1 bike it's better to spend all your effort on a fs bike unless you're a hardcore ht fan. I myself have 2, a ht and a fs. Love them both. The ht is a full blown downcountry Yeti ARC the other is a trail/enduro Canyon Spectral. So I ride the bike depending on the trail. In summary, I'm interested in the top ht's out there.
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
When we started this test back in 2013, it was devised as a test of entry-level bikes and has evolved with that purpose in mind. You're absolutely right, high end hardtails have a passionate following and we try to cover them in other tests during the year, but we believe strongly that it's the new riders coming into the sport with a tight budget that need the most hand holding and advice to ensure they get the best experience possible. Which is why this test is arguably the most important one we do every year, and why the price point is so important.
@toddbrackett4277
Жыл бұрын
These things have gotten heavy over time. I had a Trek 8300 in the 90s and that thing only weighed about 12kg.
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
True, but smaller wheels, smaller frame, less robust build.
@adventure_biker
2 жыл бұрын
The best is the Giant Fathom 1 .
@SMathai
Жыл бұрын
I thumbs-upped this, but honestly I couldn't say as I haven't ridden anything else!! It's just that that's what I bought, therefore it's the best. Done.
@davt8615
Жыл бұрын
I would of had a fathom in there and a scott aspect really good bikes
@barfo281
3 ай бұрын
For anyone interested, Kona just lowered the price on the Mahuna in June 2024. It is now $849 USD (666.80 GBP as of this post for conversion) instead of $1199 USD.
@z33tanner
2 жыл бұрын
Great tests, I haven't heard of voodoo before bike looks sick. I recently picked up a '21 Vitus Nucleus VRS and it's more than I can ask for at the moment, I need to get more skills to match it!
@c120xy
2 жыл бұрын
Voodoo is a Halfords (UK car store) brand
@gethappycyclingcampingoutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
My Vitus Sentier VRS 27.5 hardtail 2021 is an awesome bike. After a year, started doing some upgrades.
@jasonrouse6912
Жыл бұрын
I've been riding voodoo bizango since 2015. Very good bike. Still looks good today. Even the local bike thief's like it. Caught them twice trying to steal it. Looking at the pro version now. And two SAF D locks.
@jasonrouse6912
Жыл бұрын
@@c120xy it wasn't always Halfords. Voodoo are very good don't knock them. I've been riding mine hard and fast for 7 years and never had any problems. Normal wear and tear.
@c120xy
Жыл бұрын
@@jasonrouse6912 I wasn’t knocking them, I just stated where they’re from…..currently
@ariamrivera8201
2 жыл бұрын
just bought a vitus nucleus 29 any thoughts or coments or comparison between this and the sentier???
@quitemountainous2528
2 жыл бұрын
Really hard to watch/listen when Alan jumps in almost every other word that comes out of Danny's mouth, dude, stop interrupting!
@Mikelikesbikes100
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for finally saying i it. Bugged me before on other videos.
@barfo281
4 ай бұрын
1 year later...FYI, the first four bikes were Alan's reviews.
@NeilModena
2 жыл бұрын
Hello, I have one concern regarding the head tube angle of the Kona Mahuna. It says on their website that the ht angle is 68, whereas your review here states that it is around 66 degrees. May I ask what is correct between the two? Did the Kona website made an error?
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
We measured the actual geometry of the bike, whereas Kona would probably have taken the geo from their technical drawings.
@LOPANindustries
2 жыл бұрын
Why didn't the Merida big nine 200 not make the list?
@hallstewart
2 жыл бұрын
Can we have the best HT under £2K?
@andrewstorm8240
2 жыл бұрын
Will you do a best cafe for mountain bikers award?
@jhrly
9 ай бұрын
The mahuna is on super sale at the time of this writing, just picked one up and I am excited to ride it!
@barfo281
5 ай бұрын
@jhrly what was your "super sale" price?
@hadyatmikasuryadinata838
2 жыл бұрын
You guys should check Thrill Wreak T140, absolute under 1k price tag, just around $500 Boost thru axle front and rear with 140mm fork and internal dropper seatpost routing ready on the frame, so you can upgrade with dropper seatpost when need it. But it only comes with 27.5 wheelsize, hope they make 29 version soon
@dodthemod5678
2 жыл бұрын
Hi there where can i buy these bikes in the UK ?
@godsthirdlegBB
9 ай бұрын
Holy shit that guy sounds like JackFrags
@BSE75
2 жыл бұрын
same with ebike hardtail please
@petedog9581
2 жыл бұрын
Put a volume spacer in that Recon.
@mellissanash7517
2 жыл бұрын
It's probably worth the extra then for the Roscoe 7, which has the updated frame & geo.
@aaronmacdougall9631
2 жыл бұрын
I have been on a Roscoe 7 for about a month and it is an absolute blast of a bike. Coming from an XC bike I'm impressed all around. One complaint are the brake levers but that's an easy fix.
@the2k
2 жыл бұрын
How can you chose a bike that is completely unavailable? I tried for months and months to get this, but its not available in any nearby stores or via delivery.
@richarde1355
2 жыл бұрын
What is “this”, when there are multiple bikes tested?
@the2k
2 жыл бұрын
@@richarde1355 given that its called hardtail of the year I thought it was pretty obvious that I was talking about the Bizango which won it... but just to clear things up I was referring to the Voodoo Bizango... which I spent months looking for without success so ended up buying a much more expensive Whyte
@TheDiablosix6six
2 жыл бұрын
Trek do have the new Roscoe out, 7,8 and 9 which is actually a very good bike but they charge too much for them!!
@motakimakuyi4543
6 ай бұрын
I love my 2022 Giant Talon 1 29er
@marcobrembo5066
2 жыл бұрын
What about cube acid?
@SSH01
2 жыл бұрын
Um why did you use the whyte 429 over the 801 ?
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
It's £1250, so over the £1,000 limit.
@MEtHODiOR
2 жыл бұрын
I'm interested what you guys can say about "Marin pine mountain 2"
@MikePalmer42
2 жыл бұрын
No on one scandal would have trashed the Competition
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
It's above our cut-off point for this test of £1,000.
@MikePalmer42
2 жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine not the with the nx drivetrain
@TheWeardale1
2 жыл бұрын
so, what's the winner between the top 2 then?
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
in terms of pure performance per $, then the Voodoo
@TheWeardale1
2 жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine thanks :)
@JasonSmith-qo9ln
2 жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine This help me! could you say the voodoo is worth the extra £150 if i can get the kona for £800 and the voodoo is 950?
@leyte-samartrails7904
2 жыл бұрын
No Dartmoor hardtails?
@alonsorivas8648
2 жыл бұрын
GT bikes
@hierophant9929
2 жыл бұрын
And the winner is.. Canyon stoic 2
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
We did try to get a Stoic but Canyon didn't have one available. We've ridden one before and it's a great handling modern hardtail, but the cheapest model gets a Suntour fork that probably can't match the performance of the RockShox. Also the drivetrain isn't as wide-range. But it certainly looks good for the price.
@barfo281
6 ай бұрын
So....Kona Mahuna is a better buy than a Specialized Rockhopper? I'm pretty much down to those two options....
@MBRmagazine
6 ай бұрын
Rockhopper is more of an old school cruiser for mellow trails and dirt paths. The Kona is more modern and aggressive.
@barfo281
6 ай бұрын
@@MBRmagazine Thanks!
@stevebennett3587
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, was the sentier a XL or L, just wondering if i could get away with the large, and avoid the long seat tube?🤔
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It was a large.
@stevebennett3587
2 жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine when do you think the 2023 sentier will be released🤔
@hugosandoval4888
2 жыл бұрын
Best bike under 1000$! Every single bike: 999.99$ 😑
@shivamhazarika9541
Жыл бұрын
Marin Bobcat trail 4 and polygon xtrada 5....which one would you suggest
@richardokeefe2792
2 жыл бұрын
Nice one guys 👍
@Minos1209
Жыл бұрын
Any further advancement from bikes mentioned? Also Mahuna vs Bizango Pro?
@TedTheTree
Жыл бұрын
I'd probably invest in a second hand bike & get more for yr money; I currently ride a 20 year old 16" SC Chameleon but I could buy a spare bike as well...just a thort;
@fudganuld
2 жыл бұрын
VooDoo Majic-Man.....Ha !!!
@markwilson848
Жыл бұрын
Is the Kona frame the same as the honzo ?
@etienneurbanmtb819
Жыл бұрын
Yes i think
@barfo281
5 ай бұрын
@markwilson848 For some reason, the Honzo does not have internal cable routing. Weird, given that it's Kona's top tier hardtail.
@G3LDY
2 жыл бұрын
No canyon stoic?
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
No we wanted to get one but Canyon didn't have one available.
@jeephunter
2 жыл бұрын
Please pick your preference between the two winners. Regardless of where you buy them, which was a better ride?
@crdc9853
Жыл бұрын
I thought it was the 4th generation bizango?
@junesebastian392
Жыл бұрын
the rest is 29er except for the trek roscoe 6 which is 27.5, should have been the roscoe 7 coz its 29er to compare with the rest..🤷♂️
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
The Roscoe 7 is above our £1,000 price point for this test unfortunately.
@nincompoop8870
2 жыл бұрын
Why is Dartmoor under rated?
@benhawkins882
9 ай бұрын
Why is the Kona Mahuna “not a duel purpose bike?” What did you mean by that?
@barfo281
5 ай бұрын
@benhawkins882 I think he meant that it's not a primarily street bike that can do some soft trails (dual purpose/dual sport). He said it's definitely a proper mountain bike.
@lostman65
2 жыл бұрын
so fatter tires are a "trend" ..lol.
@benji431976
2 ай бұрын
The kona mahuna has a 68° head angle Not a 66.5° so is giving you false info on that one 😂❤😮
@MBRmagazine
2 ай бұрын
Are you ok? 78 degrees?! 😂 🤦♂️
@benji431976
2 ай бұрын
@@MBRmagazine look on there web site. I have one and it’s never a 66.5 It’s definitely a 68° head angle for sure.💪😁💯
@benji431976
2 ай бұрын
@@MBRmagazine check on there website I have one and it’s definitely not a 66.5 that’s for sure💪😁 P.s I not ok 😂
@MBRmagazine
2 ай бұрын
We actually measured it. Don’t rely on the geometry charts 👍
@tryingouttrails
2 жыл бұрын
Which trail is this film on?
@DrCJ7
2 жыл бұрын
You miss the Canyon Stoic 4.... Great Bike...!!
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah we tried to get one but none were available.
@derekdavis6508
Жыл бұрын
Ragley Marley 2.0, and new voodoo wazooo are my favorite, I think I can buy voodoo across the pond now, anyone now if that two cubed bike is still around, I worked at a bike shop, i put ao many together.
@derekdavis6508
Жыл бұрын
Calibre two cubed.
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
Yes, Calibre is back and we have one in the new hardtail of the Year test we’re working on now. Think it’s one of the Line models from memory.
@Triumphstreettriplewheelies
2 жыл бұрын
Orange Crush 💯
@waynerenshaw-multi-outdoor4521
Жыл бұрын
I've got the Trek Roscoe 7 2021 and love it.. super quick on trails, minor things could do with better gears, and so wished it had bolt thru-axle on the rear... So as well as having Trek Roscoe for my trails, I've also got a bargain hardtail xc bike, Polygon Xtrada Seven which retails at £900 I got it from go outdoors for £599 comes tubeless ready, plus 12 speed shimano deore with a 10-51 cassette and 32T chainring, although this is a large from, the top tube is definitely a little shorter than my Trek Roscoe and I've had to put a 90mm stem to help with my cockpit area... comes with Suntour Xcr air forks which to be fare performes quite well, but no boost , which means my next wheel upgrade I'll get some rock shoxs boost 29ner and hopefully make my Polygon Xtrada Seven that little bit more enjoyable.. 👍😉
@salsa1086
Жыл бұрын
Anyone buy a voodoo bike in the US and actually get it or where able to contact them for updates on shipping?
@the850project4
Жыл бұрын
Did you order one and get it yet?
@salsa1086
Жыл бұрын
Nope, I canceled my order and open a ticket with paypal to get a refund, took about 2 weeks. They have been telling people they have them in stock, but they do not and i found people that were waiting over 8+ months to get one. I ended up getting a Roscoe 8 with the Trek Summer sale, a little more then what i was planning on spending, but have been very happy with it.@@the850project4
@mawashiyomiradio
2 жыл бұрын
looks fun^^
@happycoop123
Жыл бұрын
Could you recommend one under £500 for my son. Will be used on roads, cycle paths and the odd trail (nothing to hardcore)
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
Have a look at the Vitus Nucleus or the Voodoo Braag. Both are recommended at around that price point. See here for more... www.mbr.co.uk/buyers_guide/best-mountain-bikes-under-500-331305
@happycoop123
Жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine Great thanks
@konaononjepon1582
Жыл бұрын
is kona kahuna even better than mahuna?
@etienneurbanmtb819
Жыл бұрын
More expensive so yes
@machidaman
2 жыл бұрын
Picking up my Bizango pro this week as a replacemt for my very loyal and long suffering Rock lobster titanium frame. At 46 I am unwilling to spend big bucks anymore but really looking forward to hearing out and based on the reviews, seem to have made a decent choice.
@mattman1066
Жыл бұрын
How is the pro?
@machidaman
Жыл бұрын
@@mattman1066 for the money - excellent tbh. Ridden mainly South downs, friston which it has handled without any problem at all. Off to Scotland and France next year and taking with. Needs another 3-400 spending on it to make it really special but even at that price point, with the upgrades, not much else would come close imo. Very happy with the purchase and given my more hard core riding is well behind me it should serve me well until I inevitably go full time roadie.
@Gjifdxvv
Жыл бұрын
I have one and love it as is! Smooth, stable, fun and no imminent need to upgrade anything
@sepultubob
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for your detailed reviews ! Love the way your talking about bikes. One question, you said that the Mahuna has a 66.5° head angle, but Kona website says 68°. Could you confirm ? Thanks !
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the positive feedback! Yes we measured the actual head angle of our test bike rather than just repeated the claimed figures.
@sepultubob
Жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine Thank you very much. It crazy to think that the manufacturer himself communicates wrong geometry numbers ! Other question, do you think that a QR axle is really a limiting factor for someone who is not riding super engaged stuff. When I read reviews it feels like a QR axle is a must have in 2023, but I've always had QR on my old bikes, I never lost a wheel nor break a hub.
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
It's quite tricky for brands to produce accurate geometry as there will be tolerances within frame manufacturing as well as component manufacturing that can add up to relatively big differences in the real world. That's why we always go to the trouble of measuring and weighing the bikes. In answer to your second question, a quick release fork is not a deal breaker. Yes, if you ride hard, or if you are bigger or heavier than average, you may notice the additional flex, but at this price point its a better compromise to make than a frame with the wrong sizing and geometry. Hope that helps.
@sepultubob
Жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine Hey thanks for all you valuable answers, it will help me in the future.
@photorockbar471
Жыл бұрын
Tip: We have been using square taper cranks for over 20 years on multiple bikes and never had a failure. It is all about proper bolt torque. Other designs have their benefits, but nothing wrong with square taper cranks. We always use sealed BBs and have never had one fail or get pitted. Keep the water out and you are all good. Our oldest Shimano sealed cartridge BB is 20 years old and still working with slight noticeable wear.
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
The square-taper design is ok for light off-road riding, but is not strong enough or durable enough for full-on mountain biking.
@photorockbar471
Жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine Been cycling for over twenty five years and that includes racing. Been doing mtb riding since mid 1990s. Never had an issues with quality square taper from Campy and Shimano. Like all bearing devices bearings will wear over time. Still have a sealed BB that is in an older mtb that is still usable and that bike gets used every week. Other bottom bracket designs are mainly to reduce weight and claim stiffer design. Most is smoke and mirrors to sell a design. I have bikes with ISIS bbs that shown worn bearings after just a few years.
@mikejones420
2 жыл бұрын
Next year, you may have even less bikes to test if china goes to war with Taiwan
@cerimiles396
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, did I hear that only one bike has hydraulic brakes at this price?? Got into mountain biking 5 years ago and I've no doubt these prices are going to put so many people off in the long run.
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
All of them have hydraulic disc brakes.
@trev815
Жыл бұрын
Was going to get the voodoo but there's no stock !! Just got a whyte 901 v5 for £999 down from £1850 . Haven't taken delivery yet but I'm hoping I made the righg decision as I've never had a whyte !
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
Wow that’s quite a deal! The Whyte is a great bike - enjoy it!
@trev815
Жыл бұрын
Awesome thats reassuring to hear ! Just got to build it when it arrives 🤣
@trev815
Жыл бұрын
Out of interest , after hearing what you said about the recon 35 fork ! Mine has the recon gold , is this one you've tested amd does it suffer from the same damping issue you baught up with the voodoo ?
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
Not sure tbh! There are quite a few Recon models and some are oem only, so hard to tell without riding the bike. Tbh the problem on the Voodoo wasn’t a huge deal.
@trev815
Жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine sure I'll never ride it that hard anyways 🤣 thanks for taking the time 🙏
@sujanshrestha7178
2 жыл бұрын
I think the ht angle on Kona Mahuna is not correct. There website mentions 68 degree
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
We actually measured the test bike, so that's an accurate figure.
@raceface48
Жыл бұрын
I bought the Kona Mahuna today and measured the head tube angle. It's 66°.
@bartdenbok7622
Жыл бұрын
@@raceface48 How did you measure?
@raceface48
Жыл бұрын
@@bartdenbok7622 just used an app on my phone. Another review on the mahuna claimed the same HT angle.
@davegee124
2 жыл бұрын
no polygon hardtails?
@jny78
2 жыл бұрын
No Santa Cruz chameleon Mx?
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
It's to expensive for out price point
@jny78
2 жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine oh gotcha. Your choice was good though
@septim_mart
2 жыл бұрын
I've got the bizango Pro rear tyre was the 1st thing that got swapped out and the cable routing by the fork is a mess
@karlriley9842
Жыл бұрын
Did you sort the cable routing
@septim_mart
Жыл бұрын
@Karl Riley yeah I used crash tape and a rubber grommet no digging in to paint
@ricardopessoa8362
2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2004 Specialized Hardrock XC and the Rockhopper Elite looks a lot like my bike. Which to me is a good idea, since the 2004 frame was very agile even if the rear end was not that stable. I hope they have reviewed this, with all the subtle changes in the frame.
@janeblogs324
2 жыл бұрын
Pity the frame is so weak, don't put a big fork in it and jump it. The headtube is super thin and the under gusset is lacking. I've got one with a split head tube
@ricardopessoa8362
2 жыл бұрын
@@janeblogs324 Thanks for that. I fitted a 80-130 Rock Shox Tora and usually ride singletrails in Sintra or others not that aggressive. Or even cruise in the city... I kept it because it's a lot of fun and by now it's not desirable by anyone else...
@ricardopessoa8362
2 жыл бұрын
Cheers.
@ondrejmanych5688
Жыл бұрын
One thing you guys said wrong: Mahuna has 68 degree head angle. If you want it to have 66 degrees, you would have to put the fork to 130mm of travel.
@ondrejmanych5688
Жыл бұрын
Which is completely fine for the bike but I would suggest upgrading to a fork with wider stanchions then.
@MBRmagazine
Жыл бұрын
No, we actually measured our test bike rather than relying on the manufacturer geo chart (we do this with all our test bikes) and it was 66º.
@ondrejmanych5688
Жыл бұрын
@@MBRmagazine I need to measure mine then haha, because I want to upgrade my fork and it is 140mm right now, that would make it kinda too slack.
@bartdenbok7622
Жыл бұрын
@@ondrejmanych5688 Did you measure it?
@spills_n_thrills
2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why you've restricted this year's test to £1k when prices have shot up in recent years? Surely you've limited the audience to beginners only, which is an important category of course, but you've alienated your wider audience
@janeblogs324
2 жыл бұрын
Did everyones pay packet increase since cov!d? No they shrunk, they should've decreased the £1k if anything
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
We've always kept the HToY test to sub £1k bikes so it's not a new thing. Above £1k decent full-sus starts to become an option, and that's where we'd say most (not all) riders are better off putting their money.
@Basement_CNC
2 жыл бұрын
the last test ive watched you a least got proper brakes and brad spec components for 1k so go out and spend 1,3 to 1,5 k to get a proper mtb like the canyon stoic or rose hardtale or something similar
@MBRmagazine
2 жыл бұрын
Canyon Stoic starts at £899, but Canyon didn't have one available for test. And while the frame's really cool, the fork and drivetrain are not up to the level of the Voodoo.
@richarde1355
2 жыл бұрын
What?
@DilbertMuc
Жыл бұрын
Rockhopper being the lightest bike in the test, with 13.2kg? What? My 29er Canyon is 11.2kg and not much more expensive. 🤔
@crtgamer2355
Жыл бұрын
Bike prices are a joke, people are being taken for a "ride" and they still pay, even under $900 is still ridiculous.
@natemekis3959
8 ай бұрын
I know money is tight but save up more and get a bike with dropper, hydraulic brakes, air fork
@pietzaken2220
Жыл бұрын
please let each other speak and not interupt... nice review besides that
@pollyaloy
Жыл бұрын
So the bizango pro comes in a xl frame size of 20 inches , my 2018 bizango (the orange one ) is also a xl but its 22 inches . I'm 6f.1 inches tall . Does the 2 inch difference in frame size make the bizango pro too small for me ?
@clappedham
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t say. I would go to Halfords or someplace where you could try it out. Just pick what feels right for you.
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