For those asking why we didn't test drive X, Y or Z... we focused on testing different types of drive, rather than just every drive available. We don't have the time to test 100 different SSDs. I think from the conclusion and testing you'll see why it doesn't make a ton of sense to test even more SSDs in this way
@L39T
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@marceldiezasch6192
3 жыл бұрын
Talking about different types, at least 1 Optane drive would've made sense.
@Hardwareunboxed
3 жыл бұрын
SD cards can be reaaaalllllly slow, especially the cheap ones. So that doesn't surprise me
@XeqtrM1
3 жыл бұрын
Yep I agree bc no games yett has ssd in mind yett but maybe next year that my change since next gen games will be made with use of ssd in mind so next gen games will take advantage of ssd since console will use ssd in thejr games to so next gen we will see a bigger difference next gen when new games actually take advantage of a ssd
@dewaynethomas3122
3 жыл бұрын
SSD's even make yer mustache get longer. I need that upgrade now!!!
@nerdtechgasm6502
3 жыл бұрын
Current game engines don't utilize multi-core data streaming from storage much, if at all. It's CPU (mostly) & memory bandwidth bound, once you get to SSD speeds. Current API never needed it, and especially on PS4/Xbox 1, where the HDD is so slow that trying to do multi-stream fetching will stall it anyway, so it was never a focal point for devs. This is where Direct Storage IO and new consoles change the landscape, expect game engines to be revised for these new standards in the near future.
@MichaelFitzpatrickk
3 жыл бұрын
So pcie 4.0 might actually make a significant difference in next gen console port to pc titles? cool.
@nerdtechgasm6502
3 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelFitzpatrickk Yes, and Intel bringing gen 4 next year, to speed up PC ecosystem adoption. Even gen 3 NVMe will see significant gains once devs switch to multi-stream data fetch & decompression algos.
@robertjif6337
3 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelFitzpatrickk u might even see new line on minimun requirement like: at least 3500rw speed
@austin357
3 жыл бұрын
This could make a big difference to the gaming experience! And then we might be happy we have NVMe drives.
@robertjif6337
3 жыл бұрын
@@austin357 So happy amd, sony and ms help push fast io so dev can improve their game design. Following years gonna be amazing for everyone, we got intel who got kick in the butt and now they have awake, nvidia pushing the best they can to avoid big navi taking their crown, and amd keep growing their rnd division.
@andrewpower
3 жыл бұрын
One of the big things for me was noticing the lack of stutter from asset streaming in games like Diablo 3 when run from an SSD. I always see load testing but never much on asset streaming, which should be a big deal (presumably) with devs working on games for the new consoles as a base line.
@fwabble
3 жыл бұрын
So frametime consistency SSD vs High End SSD etc sounds good to me, let's go Tim, FREE THE MOUSTACHE
@brucethen
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a WoW player and loafing from HDD you get I game quick enough but there is no scenery, you are standing in mid-air till the ship and NPCs load, this can take several seconds ( feels like minutes)
@MasterKurisu
3 жыл бұрын
I build gaming computers for customers from time to time, and have noticed that as well. An SSD seems to bring up the minimum frame rates a bit in certain games.
@BaerentoeterLP
3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense, since random access is the biggest advantage of SSDs.
@tjw6550
3 жыл бұрын
This! I've searched for detailed tests and information on this. Since I bought a used 256GB SSD for some of my games I noticed that those peaks in frames times in some games just vanished - and it's definitely noticeable. Namely those games are ghost recon wildlands and watchdogs 2. (Uuuubisoft, what are you saying to this?)
@Tsunami_415
3 жыл бұрын
"Buy an SSD. ANY SSD to significantly speed up load times." Planet Coaster: "Hold My Beer."
@liquathrushbane2003
3 жыл бұрын
Not surprised in the least - Frontier have a habit of butchering anything they touch.
@s.g.3042
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the testing, but does the median 10 sec. access SSD advantage over a HDD justify the 5x higher prices?
@cybershocked
3 жыл бұрын
@@s.g.3042 Not for that game, no. But i'd expect most people to play more than that one game, plus an SSD will benefit boot times, and general OS responsiveness.
@TGXNickTM
3 жыл бұрын
And we also have Cities: Skylines with thousand of assets (but actually, SSD improves loading speed drastically)
@GameslordXY
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how would Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 handle that game's loading times. Under the assumption that it's properly optimized for those.
@yuyuy666
3 жыл бұрын
Moustache Setting: High
@habib_the_panda_odst
3 жыл бұрын
pretty sure it's on "psycho", to much detail for high my G.
@mrgndx
3 жыл бұрын
Nvidia MoustacheWorks: Ultra
@RK-252
3 жыл бұрын
16 times the detail!
@garyjenson7602
2 жыл бұрын
Texture level Ultra
@ndgoliberty
2 жыл бұрын
Overclocked mustache.
@vncube1
3 жыл бұрын
Tim: "We're not reviewers...but" That means we're about to get one of more elaborate reviews on that those tech components on KZitem :P
@mix3k818
3 жыл бұрын
A common saying goes "every word before 'but' is irrelevant"
@TheGauges420
3 жыл бұрын
@@rawdez_ you're just stupid and dont understand what he meant, even though it was obvious. What it means is, despite them claiming they arent experts, the info they're about to reveal will indeed make them look more expert than most. You're just dumb and failed reading comprehension, so it's ok, I love your irrelevant ass anyway.
@nilankoor
3 жыл бұрын
That moustache is loading faster than any SSD is loading a game, Tim!
@paulthompson8613
3 жыл бұрын
Ha,Ha,Ha best comment so far
@tbp5815
3 жыл бұрын
doesn't make sense.. bubbling whatever to get some likes?
@OmPrakash-pc1ec
3 жыл бұрын
@@tbp5815 perhaps
@yanooo2007
3 жыл бұрын
ugly-looking mustache
@shikharacc1543
3 жыл бұрын
**cringe**
@kristofgheyssens3941
3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a "Best SSD for Productivity". I guess differences would be larger zipping/unzipping large archives, exporting 4K videos, editing high res images in Photoshop.
@Ilya__s
3 жыл бұрын
this
@DanteLovesPizza
3 жыл бұрын
Without seeing any tests and benchmarks, I already have the answer for you; the 980 PRO.
@jc.1191
3 жыл бұрын
Fast nvme with high random read and write. Gen 4 cpu lanes look real good. I suspect we'll get bumps to dmi on intel next gen.
@churblefurbles
3 жыл бұрын
Its the same, the crystaldiskmark tells the tale, straight line sequential for exactly that, unless you are dealing with huge raw 4k+ video its mostly just 4k random single threaded like with games, and there all the nvme fall down to almost sata, which is why they end up performing like that.
@necrotic256
Жыл бұрын
3 years later, and just a single mediocre game implemented DirectStorage
@inkysteve
3 жыл бұрын
I'm old enough to remember a time when that HDD would have been regarded as the fastest thing in the universe. My first HDD, a 64MB monster, probably had a speed of about 1 or 2 MBs. You youngsters don't know how much you've got it made. My first mouse was made from sticks.
@masternobody1896
3 жыл бұрын
you young will not know how nasa made to moon to moon with 1kb cpu
@sureshpatre7654
3 жыл бұрын
@@masternobody1896 with 4KB RAM
@TheTeeroy32
3 жыл бұрын
@@masternobody1896 the source code for the Apollo missions could be downloaded, a Commodore 64 was fast enough to run it.
@irridiastarfire
3 жыл бұрын
oh lah dee dah, here's a guy showing off with his fancy mouse made out of sticks! In my day we had to store our data using punch cards made out of papyrus, written by hand with a blunt rock. The data could only be read once a year at the summer solstice when the sun was in the right position in the sky :p
@LookingGlass69
3 жыл бұрын
My first hdd was a whopping 700MB
@totodoro
3 жыл бұрын
Windows boot time would be a good test to include in the bench
@martinarscott3524
3 жыл бұрын
other youtubers have done that, but I find their results odd - switching my boot drive from MX500 to SN750 halved the time windows takes to load, it's lightning fast in comparison, however other youtubers have reported only a second or 2 difference....
@eskimo4130
3 жыл бұрын
@@martinarscott3524 Interesting. I was eyeing up a 500gb SN750 for purely boot + some programs. Talking about something as extreme as that much more speed upon boot raises eyebrows a lot.
@martinarscott3524
3 жыл бұрын
@@eskimo4130 it's a great drive, I went for the included heatsink option as they do tend to get quite hot without, haven't had any problems so far
@darthioan
3 жыл бұрын
For something that's done once a day, or once every few days or weeks (I let my system go to sleep/hibernate), what's the benefit between 10 second or less boot time and even less than that? I reinstalled windows by mistake on a sata ssd drive instead of the nvme sata 3, and I did not notice any difference. It took me a week to notice windows was installed on the wrong drive after running crystal disk to check the hdds.
@TalTheBest
3 жыл бұрын
We live in an era where boots are extremely fast anyway
@SeveruSniper
3 жыл бұрын
I've got the feeling that this video will have an update when developers get used to the new consoles SSDs.
@Hardwareunboxed
3 жыл бұрын
You bet it will
@allenqueen
3 жыл бұрын
Yea, in 2022
@darklightning9319
3 жыл бұрын
By then ssd’s will be much cheaper
@cia4gent128
3 жыл бұрын
@@allenqueen 2022 my ASS! Direct Storage API is coming with the next windows update...
@SeveruSniper
3 жыл бұрын
@@allenqueen I've just realised that 2022 is only 1 year and 2 months. Oh god, I'm an elder.
@Fever_Dream
3 жыл бұрын
I hate how damn impossible it is to find out if a drive has a DRAM cache.
@seventhtaco6781
3 жыл бұрын
Just ask customer support lol or reddit or other forums
@winonesoon9771
3 жыл бұрын
Oh i know its crazy
@cm01
3 жыл бұрын
I've never had a problem googling "does [model name] have dram" and multiple review sites immediately pop up staying whether it had a dram cache, which controller they used, everything you could want to know.
@rentojad
3 жыл бұрын
@@cm01 Here is great source docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0 Dram, Nand type, layers and everything you want to know
@geenx8
3 жыл бұрын
Aren't you exaggerating? Combining an SSD model name with 'DRAM' renders immediate result most of the time.
@PcCentric
3 жыл бұрын
Camera Quality Is So Sharp 👀
@kiandialameh1099
3 жыл бұрын
Just like your videos 😃
@joshrogers7818
3 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend crucial p1
@MagicAyrtonforever
3 жыл бұрын
I'm here because of you - That TUF build ;-)
@VictorAvinashSinha
3 жыл бұрын
Dude I was watching this on 480p on my tablet and all this time I thought it was 720p!
@slimmerelk9459
3 жыл бұрын
You must be new
@Rick-tg4oy
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this vid! I was just trying to decide between 4.0 and 3.0 for my new build. I think I'll go for 3.0. There's no point in paying $70+ more for 1.8 seconds. Even if Direct Storage makes a huge difference, like the vid said, that's a couple years out. I can make a new purchase then if I want.
@unclerubo
3 жыл бұрын
I'm more interested in the effect of fast storage in frametimes, especially in open world games where assets need to be streamed in on the fly. Looking at those 1% and 0.1% lows comparing the different drives should give you a good idea of the actual experience while gaming.
@xkiroxX
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Games like assassins creed origins/Odyssey run like garbage on HDDs
@ToufiqSayed
3 жыл бұрын
I second this. Most open-world games (Horizon ZD right now) stutter a lot on my WD Green HDD (granted its a crappy HDD for gaming). It wasn't until I got the Adata SU800 SSD a couple of weeks back that I found out that it was actually the HDD that was the reason for the stutter. It never crossed my mind earlier since most of the people on community forums confidently say that SSDs only improve load times in gaming and not the games' performance, which made me think that one of the CPU/GPU/RAM components was the bottleneck.
@TanvirRaiyan
3 жыл бұрын
Red dead redemption 2 also stutters a lot on hdd.
@75IFFY
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Sottr tanks between areas. Drops frame rate under 48fps and vsync does its janky stutter thing.
@dralord1307
3 жыл бұрын
@@Selfundum2424 I have seen on some windows 10 computers the hd gets spiked to full usage. HD or SSD didnt matter. There is something in windows that is causing it. The system has 8gigs of ram, and it was only using 2gig. For some reason the windows image viewer was pegging the SSD to 100% usage for minutes at a time. And it wasnt even opened. Really made me wonder wtf it was doing. I have noticed this on multiple systems with diff cpus/mobo's/etc etc
@LeoDavidson
3 жыл бұрын
They keep making SSDs faster when they're already faster than most real-world tasks can take advantage of. What I actually want is for them to have higher capacities and lower prices, not better speeds. I'd like to actually be able to replace all my noisy, huge, hot HDDs that have to be in a separate machine in another room so I don't hear them, but that day never seems to come.
@James192p
3 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what QLC storage drive are for. Low cost, high capacity. And work is underway for PLC (5 bits per cell). Both Toshiba and Intel talked about it last year.
@dscarmo
3 жыл бұрын
Use sata ssds to replace your storage
@the-lonemandalorian2674
3 жыл бұрын
Something to keep in mind is that SSDs have a higher failure rate of lost data (when trying to recover data) than hard drives. SSDs are not really great for long term storage yet and their flash storage can also be a huge problem on the off chance that it goes bad quicker. Data centers and such are going to keep hard drives around because they’re longer lasting and easier to recover which will in turn not drop the prices of SSDs as quickly.
@LeoDavidson
3 жыл бұрын
@@dscarmo I'd like to, when you can buy 16TB ones for less than a car.
@dralord1307
3 жыл бұрын
@@the-lonemandalorian2674 Yeah I still have working hard drives from way back in 2006 LOL
@trakaiszeks
3 жыл бұрын
This video arrived the exact moment i opened youtube. And i am gathering data on SSD's and their usefulness over certain speeds. I did a little experiment myself: I created a 250gb zip archive full with random large game files from my drives and tried to copy it within a 970 evo. The initial copy speed was 1.8gbps. About 50gb down the line the speed dropped to 600MBps, then started wildly fluctuating between 600 and 800 mbps, occasionally rising back to 1.8gbps for 5 seconds and going back down. My conclusion is that the real MLC speed is around 600MBps Tlc speed is around 400MBps (crucial MX500) Qlc speed is around 80MBps (random review i read) Which makes HDD's write speed firmly above Qlc at 167MBps. Obviously that's not random reads and random writes. Those is where SSDs have ridiculous advantage. But during normal workloads on a defragmented hard drive random reads don't happen under normal workloads with large files.
@gchatz6480
3 жыл бұрын
Nice timing 😊
@trakaiszeks
3 жыл бұрын
@@gchatz6480 So, the problem with crystal disk mark and many other ssd benchmarks is that they never exceed the cache. I created a 250gb zip archive full with random large game files from my drives and tried to copy it within a 970 evo. The initial copy speed was 1.8gbps. About 50gb down the line the speed dropped to 600MBps, then started wildly fluctuating between 600 and 800 mbps, occasionally rising back to 1.8gbps for 5 seconds and going back down. My conclusion is that the real MLC speed is around 600MBps Tlc speed is around 400MBps (crucial MX500) Qlc speed is around 80MBps (random review i read) Which makes HDD's write speed firmly above Qlc at 167MBps.
@ralfrudi3963
3 жыл бұрын
Well the question is, how often do you copy 250gb files in a real world scenario? If you transfer such huge amounts of data on a daily or even weekly basis you might want to look into professional grade hardware, an average consumer does simply not move that much data that often.
@trakaiszeks
3 жыл бұрын
@@ralfrudi3963 Gaming: When you download and install large games, move steam libraries and manipulate mod data and large procedural world saves (can span past 100gb for those). Productivity: 4k video files, scratch disks, large photo sessions. Others: Drive backups and cloning. Would i really want to pay twice the price over currently available SSDs to get around 200TBW extra endurance? Nope. Besides, MLC drives are only around 10% more expensive than QLC counterparts at 1TB mark, and often have more than double TBW rating.
@-Batman-
3 жыл бұрын
Bro I want that sweet SLC drive when I have my first built.
@miikasuominen3845
3 жыл бұрын
MS actually said in that article, that: "This process has already begun for DirectStorage and we’re working with our industry partners right now to finish designing/building the API and its supporting components. We’re targeting getting a development preview of DirectStorage into the hands of game developers next year." So, developers will get a preview-version. NEXT YEAR. They didn't even state is it February or November... Getting something out that might take a very long time... I wouldn't hold my breath ;)
@aga87df
3 жыл бұрын
ThIs technology was made in order to unload the processor. It's not for fast loading
@miikasuominen3845
3 жыл бұрын
@@aga87df You really should first even bother to read about the thing were discussing here, than come to post something you know nothing about... Here, read the article first: devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directstorage-is-coming-to-pc/
@mayumikentei
3 жыл бұрын
@@aga87df Direct storage puts way more load on the cpu due to decompression techniques.
@mayumikentei
3 жыл бұрын
@Devenn Eng I know that was my point lmao, the dude above said direct storage was because the cpus were week. But the whole idea is because the cpus are so fast they can use direct storage.
@developerpranav
3 жыл бұрын
SSDs are so difficult to test, and they did a good job at it. Exceptionally well made video.
@PizzaOMC
3 жыл бұрын
What would be awesome is if you guys did a professional work load test for these like opening ue4 projects, large cad files, large 3d models etc. Would be cool to see how that scales
@clv101
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, that's the missing test. The message is clear for games - but what about other use cases?
@jetpil0t
3 жыл бұрын
@Deez Nutz Agreed, it's possible that "gaming" is perhaps no longer a simple definition. I am not a "professional" or a "developer" however I will dabble in game capture, Unity level editing on Steam Workshop, VMs with a custom game server etc and this is where NVME SSDs are noticeably better. Particularly considering HWUB is referencing 12 and 16 core CPUs for gaming, it is fair to assume the purchasers of those products may dabble outside of "playing games" where an NVME SSD is going to be better in almost every way.
@Jamesified
3 жыл бұрын
Another great video, you guys don't miss. Thank you!
@jonasbindslev9894
3 жыл бұрын
The video has been out for 8 minutes. But you're probably right 😋
@Jamesified
3 жыл бұрын
@@jonasbindslev9894 Skimmed the intro, checked a few graphs, then watched the conclusion. I already have an sn550 so was just really interested to hear their thoughts.
@glenwaldrop8166
3 жыл бұрын
"welcome back to todd we're unboxed" Thanks for fixing that KZitem. It was saying "Hardware Unboxed" for a little while there and I was getting concerned.
@FedericoTrentonGame
3 жыл бұрын
finally, I have been waiting for a video just like this for quite a while, everyone just compares pcie 3.0 vs 4.0 or random ssd vs pcie nvme drives. but you took the time and effort to also mark the difference in TLC and QLC, cache vs non cache, m.2 Sata vs regular sata, and even the HDD, that was something I have not seen any youtuber do. thank you for this video I'll be referring to it and sharing next time I find people struggling with this question :)
@TigeronStarfire
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. I've been weighing an SSD game drive purchase (particularly among the ones tested), and this was a big help. I knew PCIe based drives weren't that much faster in years past (and still aren't to today) so it would make more sense to get a regular SSD for today and upgrade to a 4.0 drive when we see much more tangible loading improvements on PC.
@ZCSilver
3 жыл бұрын
This was a great video, though it does make me feel bad for using my 6 year old sata SSD as a boot drive only and having all my games on a regular hard drive. I'd have been interested to see how fast a 7200rpm drive performed, since you wouldn't get a 5400 rpm if you planning to run things off it.
@svetthesaiyan
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing to be interested about. My Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM010 is shockingly slow for both handling Windows and playing games. Cannot wait until I get my hands on an SSD come next summer and forget I ever had this piece of hardware in my rig. I'll see if I can get a PCIe 3.0 or maybe even 4.0 drive for my operating system and at least a 1 TB SATA drive for everything else.
@MareLooke
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, using a slow HDD for something it wasn't designed for doesn't really give a fair comparison. They should have used a WD Black, a Toshiba X300, or a Seagate Gaming drive for a fair comparison. I use a Toshiba X300 as extended game storage, and while not ideal for some games (those that store their data disorganized, mostly), it's definitely not unbearably slow, nor does it result in streaming stutter. If I'm not mistaken a much more limited test was done by another channel (LTT?) pitting a cheap (and bad, no cache etc.) SSD against a WD black, and, if I'm not misremembering, the Black could keep up pretty darn well, and even beat the SSD in some tests. Right tool for the job, and all that. (of course, a *good* SSD should beat a *good* HDD every time when designed for the same purpose, except, for now, in price/GiB)
@utubby3730
3 жыл бұрын
Considering this is a rare look into this topic by anyone these days, I thought the lack of 7200RPM stuck out like a sore thumb. Most people who do still have a HDD in a desktop will be using a 7200RPM one. It’s really for a better overall picture. Pitting a slow eco drive against SSDs just exaggerates the problem. The take away really doesn’t change however, you should be moving on from mechanical if you haven’t already.
@sbjf
3 жыл бұрын
It's a 7200RPM drive, not 5400rpm. HU just fell for WD's fake numbers.
@utubby3730
3 жыл бұрын
@@sbjf Whether thats correct or not, the point of having more HDD with different RPM still stands. The tests on this are shrinking, so even just from a historical stand point, it would be nice to be able to point to a soruce which showed a good summary of all the above. Even if general consumers very rarely go for the higher RPM 10-15K, it would be interesting to see that represented, far more than just a bunch of different branded - but ultimately the same - SSDs.
@Kallan007
3 жыл бұрын
I love Hardware Unboxed, for this reason, they give you the best benchmarks for real-world use. Thanks again guys, keep up the good work.
@JoeCensored
3 жыл бұрын
So any SSD is better than HDD, and diminishing returns for high end SSD's with games.
@TheXev
3 жыл бұрын
At least right now. Devs will need to become better at getting data to load.
@renehoyvik
3 жыл бұрын
For now while games still using linear data loading. Moving forward more and more games will load using parallel data loading if they want their games on the new consoles.
@ZXspectrum..
3 жыл бұрын
Yes but if your building a system get a normal HDD instead of a SSD for 1/3 the price and put what you have saved towards the graphics card
@larrypage1337
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but PCIe 3.0 NVMes are now as cheap as the good SATA drives.
@olive3228
3 жыл бұрын
@@ZXspectrum.. An ssd is mandatory for any system. Atleast a 120gb sata 3 ssd for windows.
@Sam-hj8hy
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a bunch. I am waiting to build a zen 3 system and have been going back and forth about upgrading my sata ssd to a pci4 harddrive. I think I will hang on to my current drive for a few more years.
@xxxxzachxxxxx
3 жыл бұрын
Ryzen is usually better at decompression...I would love to see Ryzen VS Intel Core with those same drives and see how they scale across CPU architectures!
@DanCGHW
3 жыл бұрын
I'm rocking the WD SN550 1TB and after installing RD2 I was questioning my decision due to the load times but I feel better after seeing the benchmarks and considering the price to performance. Cheers! (that 40 secs feels like an eternity though :P )
@usmayadali
3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised not to see Samsung 980 Pro in this list, but great content as always! Thank you
@jackmckenzie6788
3 жыл бұрын
I would've liked to see a faster and slightly more mainstream HDD in there as well, something like the Barracude 2 or 3TB 7200RPM.
@Zellonous
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like they just grabbed the first hdd they found
@sourmango4760
3 жыл бұрын
whats the point
@crookim
3 жыл бұрын
No sane PC Gamer plays from a 5400 rpm HDD, I have 2x 2TB Barracuda HDD and they are way faster than a normal 5400 rpm HDD and if I have an annoying long loading game like total war Warhammer I'll move it to the SSD!
@CopeAndSeeth
3 жыл бұрын
No
@herbertholland924
3 жыл бұрын
I used to have a 10,000 RPM Raptor. That was amazeballs back in the day.
@biollante879
3 жыл бұрын
This is EXACTLY the video I needed for my new build. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
@TinoB20
3 жыл бұрын
It be really interesting to see PCI-E.3 vs .4 on content creation, like 4K video and audio work and large transfer files. Im sure many content creators are curious to see if the move to PCI-E.4 is currently worth the premium. thanks! sick 'stash!
@Vtertdfgwrth5ybdfasgagadfg
3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the actual bottlenecks are the games themselves, something clearly going on during "loading" that doesn't have anything to do with searching for data.
@virtualtools_3021
3 жыл бұрын
lack of multi-threading during loading most likely
@misterthegeoff9767
3 жыл бұрын
Those Red Dead Redemption 2 figures remind me of when I upgraded my Steam drive from 7200RPM HDD to SATA SSD in an attempt to improve GTA loading times. To this day GTA still loads slow as molasses.
@Bestgameplayer10
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. GTA Online loading is issues with the game itself (though story mode loads fast af). Console load times for GTA Online are also faster than GTA Online load times on PC. Rockstar is just doing something wrong.
@i_watch_everything
3 жыл бұрын
"Welcome back to todd we're unboxed" Damn it KZitem
@ScoldAudits
3 жыл бұрын
For real, KZitem's subtitles are painful most of the time.
@Joker-no1fz
3 жыл бұрын
he is todd howard.
@yogurtfluff1
3 жыл бұрын
Todd is probably grateful for being unboxed.
@Raivo_K
3 жыл бұрын
@@Joker-no1fz 14 times loading speedup
@Joker-no1fz
3 жыл бұрын
@@Raivo_K 16 times the snatch.
@BrianLongoria
3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful! I was tossing around the idea of "needing" a pcie 4.0 drive. Clearly I do not at this time. Thank you! a 2tb 3.x nvme will be ample power for my game expansion.
@MantaProx2
3 жыл бұрын
Your timing for these videos is on point. This was my next path of upgrading my system. Thankyou very much.
@fajarn7052
3 жыл бұрын
Well, my wealth haven't reached that stage yet. I just reached stage 'Use SSD as boot drive'. For storage and game installation, I can only afford so much that I prefer having more space rather than speed. I can only benefit from the speed only when I write/read/loading games. With space, I can still benefit having large storage space even when I'm not using it. Next stage is, 'having a cheap secondary SSD for temporary game installation'.
@surft
3 жыл бұрын
Just make sure whatever ssd you get has DRAM cache since you are putting you OS on it which constantly reads and writes.
@Cheepchipsable
3 жыл бұрын
That's what we need, a demonstration of in game comparisons between SSD and HDD. I'm not certain that the few seconds people save will be put to good use anyway...
@fajarn7052
3 жыл бұрын
@@surft haha, maybe that would be one my next stage, currently I'm using the cheapest m.2 nvme drive I could find as boot drive.
@fajarn7052
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cheepchipsable I don't think there are that much difference in actual gameplay though, only in loading screen as the game engine loads the assets from the drive. Though I'm not really sure. In consoles, which solely focused on gaming, faster storage might make more sense, player can't do much while the game was loading. In pc, I'll just alt-tab and watch youtube/browse the web while the game is loading.
@angelkitty11
3 жыл бұрын
Hmm same here. I currently have a 250GB SSD as a boot drive and some apps and 2x 1TB HDDs. I'm going to get a cheap 512GB M.2 SATA SSD though, for storing some of my favorite games. SSDs are getting cheaper, it's only double the price of HDD per GB.
@mj4wd
3 жыл бұрын
Omg, the mustache situation has escalated, a lot.
@mix3k818
3 жыл бұрын
Glad I am now on SSDs. I mean, my laptop not only kept having faulty HDDs, but it was also slow as hell if you wanted to load anything.
@PainterVierax
3 жыл бұрын
SSDs on laptops makes a lot of sense because they are immune to shocks and vibrations, consumes relatively less power and are less temperature sensitive.
@imglidinhere
3 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE to see a frametime graph with each of these drives, just to showcase exactly how necessary it is to have a solid state drive for gaming over a traditional hard drive. I remember back some six years ago when I played World of Tanks, back when it ran on just a single core even, that I netted something like a 15-20% uplift switching from a HDD to a SSD alone. Sure, load times decrease, but when you can feed the CPU that data all the faster during games, wouldn't it make sense why the game runs smoother too? Thoughts?
@foxboi6309
3 жыл бұрын
"Todd we're unboxed" is now my favorite tech channel.
@maesde
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you very much :). But one thing I believe would be worth to have another video about: gaming performance while on an SSD. I noticed my games run far smoother when playing on a SSD than on a HDD. Beyond loading times, on my SSD I actually get more fps and a more stable performance (probably due to assets being loaded while in game). It definitely pays to play on an SSD, even beyond the loading times.
@Lexicographic
3 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see how performance oriented HDDs compare in these tests (ie 7200rpm WD Black)
@larrypage1337
3 жыл бұрын
Still twice as slow.
@andersjjensen
3 жыл бұрын
Still horribly. The fastest 15K RPM HDDs are still dog slow compared the a cheap SATA SSD unless they are run at enterprise grade RAID levels.
@Zellonous
3 жыл бұрын
@@andersjjensen dog slow in synthetic. This video shows the performance lose is much less than what most people think. So what would change if you didn't use the slowest hdd?
@andersjjensen
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zellonous It would close the gap a little in the few games that showed some sort of sensitivity to transfer speed, but not by a meaningful amount. The 15K RPM drives have a decent sustained read/write advantage over cheaper 7.2K desktop variants, but their seek times aren't other-worldly better, and it's the seek times that stacks up to the poor performance of HDDs not the actual throughput of linear data (as evident by the disparity between low end and high end SSDs in synthetic workloads that doesn't translate to any proper gains in games)
@NYgasman8
3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see some experiments. 1. Does having the OS on a seperate drive impact game perf, and does a faster OS drive impact game perf 2. Does moving the page files to a seperate fast ssd impact game perf Mainly i want to see if we can optimize windows by moving files and programs onto separate drives. I know any performance impact will be negligible but with rtx IO and the upcoming game consoles its possible this could help in the future. I havent seen anyone try this and anything i can find isnt done well.
@evenrik_2214
3 жыл бұрын
This test will take a while but i would really like to know.
@libertyprime9307
3 жыл бұрын
I can tell you the answer to #1 is no. It doesn't get any boost for being on the system drive.
@CaptainScorpio24
3 жыл бұрын
well im using 860 evo 250gb for windows 7 or 10 from 2018 and 850 evo 250gb for games since 2015
@WbosonLP
3 жыл бұрын
Where I DO notice some nice big numbers is game installation and especially the preparation\disk allocation period. On SATA SSD it went as long as 15min with stupid EA Origin with speeds 200-300MB\s, on NVMe SSD I see in Task Manager 200\800MB\s for read\write or write ead. This is a good example of how important in the end the Mixed Workload tests are, bc u have OS doing operations on SSD and then game reading and allocating\writing. So for me it has been the most important metric while choosing my new SSD. Besides Mixed Workloads in benchmarks I concentrate on price also. I haven´t used same game applications(EA, Battlenet as my focus shifted from BFV to Warzone) to get real apples to apples comparison but I´d say you can shave off 1\3 of installation time. And have u noticed how often you come home from work\school, fire up the PC and then have to wait 30min for the 30GB game to install. With faster Mixed Workload it could be done in 10 min....
@EarthIsFlat456
3 жыл бұрын
Don't bother, there would be minimal improvement, if any at all.
@isuruabc100
3 жыл бұрын
SSD testing is much needed, there isn't really a big channel covering them I believe. Great work 👌🏽
@valentinvas6454
2 жыл бұрын
I bought the SN750 due to this video and man it really is a champ for loading times. It's really nice that even when I die in most games it only takes a few seconds till I can continue playing.
@sinnlos9600
3 жыл бұрын
Your tests are the best on the market. And thats a huge compliment looking at your competition.
@Cairnsification
3 жыл бұрын
Bruh, Gamers Nexus is way better
@wedgoku
3 жыл бұрын
I use a 1TB Samsung 970 Pro M.2 NVME PCIe 3.0 SSD, the Samsung 970 Pro uses MLC flash which means it gets its full speed all the time,- if you look @ online reviews you can see the Samsung 1TB 970 Pro in game loading beats most PCI express 4.0 M.2 SSDs since it has better [random 4k IOPS]. SSD manufactures are now cutting manufacturing corners using the cheaper TLC flash memory which means if you hammer the SSD too much it will throttle it's max speed. PCI Express 3.0 vs 4.0 does not really matter, what matters is the controller used on the SSD & what memory it is using, stay far away from QLC flash memory, the speed will throttle to almost harddrive levels.
@jaytate491
3 жыл бұрын
Rerun this when they release Direct Storage API. That will be the impressive difference if it turns out to be as good as it seems.
@turinsbane4200
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this video because I'm planning to finally snag myself an NVME drive during the Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales. It's the last piece I need for the 'ultimate' version of the system I first built back in February. I saved some money at the time by reusing the Samsung 850 EVO I'd previously installed in my old laptop as my primary boot drive, but with the prices on 1tb NVME drives these days, it's time I made the upgrade.
@divertiti
3 жыл бұрын
Loading time is only one aspect, would really like to see 1% and 0.1% low framerate in games to gauge asset streaming and on the fly loading
@Dazzxp
3 жыл бұрын
"As we are testing PCI 4.0 storage today we are performing our tests on an AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT" Intel burn right there lol. Shame there's no Samsung 980 Pro 1TB drive tested, while the 7GB/se read speed is impressive i am sure it won't make much of a difference in games. Been waiting on a SSD that can get to the transfer speeds thats 4x PCI 4.0 can do. Should try the Battletech Game with Rouge tech mod, NVME 3.0, 1 and 1/2 mins, HDD 15+ i say 15+ mins cause i fell a sleep waiting then waking up to the main menu. My Main system was a 1TB NVME 3.0 Samsung Evo 970 as the boot drive 2x 2TB patriot SATA drives (cheapest ones i could get during last years amazon prime day deals) and 4x 1TB SATA SSD's drives which helps when using your system as a plex server. However i no longer have the Evo 970 in my main system i moved that over to my new legion 5P laptop as it only had a 256GB SSD in it which is pretty limited space for a Ryzen 7 4800H and RTX2060. So i am interested in a PCI 4.0 SSD that can reach the 7gb/sec transfer rates.
@UltorCXXVIII
3 жыл бұрын
Why a 5400 HD and not 7200 one? Does not make sense...
@CopeAndSeeth
3 жыл бұрын
Why would it matter, not like it would've been faster than the ssd's...
@LuxLikeGaming
3 жыл бұрын
Good video with a a lot of usefull information, BUT it would have been nice to color code the drives in the benchmarks to clearly show which ones are Sata vs PCI-E 3/4.
@elenfoiro78
3 жыл бұрын
Really useful analysis, and wise advices. You won my subscription. Great job guys.
@chrisdewitt1256
3 жыл бұрын
I think it would have been nice to have included a Raid 0 pair of HDD's which would cost the same as the lowest end SSD for comparison.
@AL12rs
3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to ask you, would you be interested in benchmarking motherboards boot time to post? The biggest thing that I noticed when switching to Ryzen on a B450 Tomahawk from an old intel i5 3450 was the boot time. I went from less than 10 seconds to windows to 20+ seconds to windows. I'm using xmp, uefi only, every boot option disabled except for the boot drive on ssd, and used the fast boot option. I looked on the internet and saw other people mentioning this and that it just depends on the motherboard, but I didn't find anyone that would actually benchmark it. Boot time is a pretty big deal to me, and being able to have a boot time as fast as possible is one of the things I would be willing to spend more money on. Just an important consideration like having a quiet system. If I can get instantaneous boot by spending a bit more on the mobo and ssd then I would definitely consider it. Do you think this could be something you could consider adding in in your motherboard testing?
@geoffreystraw5268
3 жыл бұрын
There might be options in the bios to increase the boot speed. That likely will help a lot with your problem. I use that MB but it's in my unraid server so I never notice it booting. My B550 aorus master is booting extremely fast. In my experience an nvme drive does improve boot speed of a system over sata ssd.
@melvoid01
3 жыл бұрын
I too am running a 3600 on a b450 Tomahawk Max board but I use an nvme boot drive and its plenty fast to boot up. Its not a fancy nvme either just a kingston 120 gb cost me less than £50, a bargain, I went from an ssd to an nvme boot drive and the difference is noticable, once up and running not so easy to tell but bootup...hell yeah.
@geoffreystraw5268
3 жыл бұрын
@@Superrayas I am not sure about this one currently but I have been building computers since 1993 and I have seen many with that option. It usually limits the splash screen and reduces wait time to boot. Most have the option. My current pc boots so fast I didn't think to look for it.
@geoffreystraw5268
3 жыл бұрын
@@melvoid01 According to the internet you might be in UEFI/Legacy mode for booting and if you can switch to just uefi it will boot faster. Hope that helps.
@JuxZeil
3 жыл бұрын
Geoffrey Straw is correct in a way. There is an option in the Boot section that allows you set the seconds the BIOS will wait for a key input for boot options. You need to set that low even if you have disabled the boot option in most cases. 👍
@noxplague
3 жыл бұрын
This was a great video! So often storage is either taken for granted or now assumed that the fastest, latest is best. So it is great to have a true analysis showing that benefits are marginal for PCIe 4.0 at this time. Again great work and it will be fascinating to see how this data changes Over the next two to three years
@robertcarhiboux3164
2 жыл бұрын
4.0 has advantage for workload or file copy, but it's lifespan makes it useless for this kind of usage :p
@prathameshjoshi007
3 жыл бұрын
I would definitely expect HDD heavy games like ARk survival and crysis remastered if you may test on these?
@westwonic
3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for clarifying the SSD dram vs non dram debate re gaming. Another great video, Excellent work.
@Coffeeandacigarette
3 жыл бұрын
This has been my experience. I have a 970 Evo nvme, a sata crucial mx300 an ocz vertex 450 and two sata hdd's. And the ssd's have a small difference in loading times. The NVME blows everything else away when working with my 4k drone footage though. So my os and footage go on the 970 and the games on the sata ssd's. With photos and documents on the hdd's.
@venataciamoon2789
3 жыл бұрын
Most are too fast. One must be able to make a cup of tea before the computer and a game loads up.
@jasonlisonbee
3 жыл бұрын
In a few years you'll be able to prep your refreshments before booting and not leave your mates waiting too long. Except some MBs still take 30 to 45s to boot before loading the OS; supposedly by design.
@williamlau7179
3 жыл бұрын
Your new AI robotic helper will serve you right away. That time will come soon...
@westwonic
3 жыл бұрын
Get a wife...
@DJHeroMasta
3 жыл бұрын
“I’m expecting this drive to be pretty slow” 😅 Meanwhile I’m using 4TB 5,400RPM drives for my games since they’re cheap $80 on Newegg (New). My main drive however is a $40 120GB Kingston SSD that I was about to replace with Crucial’s 1TB M.2 NVME SSD. But we’ll see if that changes after watching this.
@beanshady
3 жыл бұрын
You should notice a real difference. Tim was testing several modern SSDs and not much older SSD models versus modern ones.
@aaron_333
3 жыл бұрын
I like Kingston's 1TB A2000 NVMe drive. Super low price, has DRAM and TLC flash. Cheap enough that I can fill up every M.2 slot with it.
@VolcanicProtectorMan
3 жыл бұрын
Those 5400 rpm and 5900 rpm drives still have decent read speeds if they are newer
@auntiepha8343
3 жыл бұрын
Don't change your boot drive, the difference in speed between the kingston and the Crucial would barely be noticiable. Only change it if you need more storage room. I have a 9600k with a 120GB mushkin SSD and a 9700k with a Samsung 970 500GB M.2. I honestly don't notice a difference in boot times between the two drives, even though on paper the Samsung is much better obviously.
@virtualtools_3021
3 жыл бұрын
@@VolcanicProtectorMan yeah, at least they aren't like dreadful 4200 rpm ide laptop drives holy crap those are slower than usb 2.0 flash drives
@BukanIbuMu
3 жыл бұрын
0:06 todd we're unboxed.
@Crustee0
3 жыл бұрын
When they can alr nail the auto caption to "hardware unboxed" and start putting easter eggs XD
@danmyers2759
2 жыл бұрын
So many good Aussie based tech channels on KZitem...
@rodrirm
3 жыл бұрын
Since you talk about it by the end of the video, I would love to see a OS SSD + Game SSD vs OS+Game SSD comparison. Perhaps trying to test single and multiplayer games, with and without discord, and/or recording/streaming. Thank you soo much!
@nickgooday7142
3 жыл бұрын
Another great show guys... keep up the good work..
@garytallowin6623
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like you could have covered tiered storage for pc.. software like primocache or fuzedrive do a great job at ssd caching / tiering to bring ssd level performance to large (much cheaper) spinning rust disks.
@Puremindgames
3 жыл бұрын
Prediction before I watch the video HDD slow, SSDs negligable. See you 23 mins. Called it, that NCIX video years ago still holds true, assuming you class 6 seconds in fringe cases as negligable and if you don't well, we can't be friends. Will be interesting to see how gaming changes just over the next few years.
@amasterdaone2316
3 жыл бұрын
Do you think the 30 series rtx cards will benefit from having a pcie 4.0 nvme ?
@Puremindgames
3 жыл бұрын
@@amasterdaone2316 If I had to guess, yes, if you don't upgrade anytime soon.
@Dexx1s
3 жыл бұрын
@@amasterdaone2316 It'll be as useful as Ray Tracing has been. In theory, it'll benefit but I doubt it'll really be utilized much in the beginning and will only become relevant in no less than a year from release.
@johnpaulbacon8320
3 жыл бұрын
A NVME M.2 for Boot drive and a QVO based ssd for Bulk storage in place of an HDD would be a very nice configuration.
@alfaastrix
3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see raid vs larger size drives. So two RAID0 1TB vs a single 2TB. I'd also like to see FPS and if drive type matters there either.
@agentoranj5858
3 жыл бұрын
It's really disappointing just how primitive games are compared to the hardware. Especially when you notice that developers are in fact entirely capable of making games that utilize PC-exclusive features like raytracing, but neglect to optimize anything else.
@E5150.
3 жыл бұрын
Where is 7200rpm HDD?
@thepezfeo
3 жыл бұрын
Where is the IDE (pata) harddrives.... too many elitist tech reviewers ;)
@Michael-he1uj
3 жыл бұрын
@@Lloyd-Franklin floppy disk?
@Zellonous
3 жыл бұрын
@@thepezfeo 7200rpm is faster. Why use the slowest? Why bother testing hdd at all then?
@CertifiedSlamboy
3 жыл бұрын
Stoner Snek Lady I bet you're fun at parties
@MetaliCanuck
3 жыл бұрын
@@CertifiedSlamboy like anyone thinking any HDD is worthy of todays games also right?
@tarfeef_4268
3 жыл бұрын
Things I'd like to see done w/ those drives: 1) benchmarks including launch time of the game application itself (ie when you click play in steam) 2) benchmarks of direct storage titles, when available 3) performance of different cache systems (including using a cheap SSD and HDD with the SSD as a cache vs one larger SSD) when playing 1 game vs when you play say, 5 games regularly (see how stuff being able to be cached fully vs not will impact performance) 4) performance while antivirus is scanning your system cause that seems interesting 5) performance downloading games on very high speed internet (might have to run a local game cache server to simulate that cause Australia). I'm specifically looking for when the cpu becomes the bottleneck vs the drive
@noanyobiseniss7462
3 ай бұрын
Haha, going back in time watching this I forgot about the Ron Jeremy cookie duster!
@MasterOfInfinity
3 жыл бұрын
PCIe Drive: The 2 Doors supercar that is as fast as it is expensive SATA Drive: The 4 Doors sports sedan that is a tid bit slower but much more practical and won't cost your life savings HDD: The slow minivan that can fit all the family (and your pr0n stash), costs little to maintain, is reliable and perfect for everyday use
@maartenschouren2327
3 жыл бұрын
Just wondering as you chose to use a 5400rpm archive class (probably SMR) drive for loading games from, how it would stack up against a drive more likely to be in a desktop system. For example a 2-4TB WD Black or Seagate desktop class harddrive spinning at 7200rpm. The conclusion would probably be the same but I doubt it would be as bad as using an archive drive.
@Lishtenbird
3 жыл бұрын
TBH a WD black is unlikely to be in a home system, their constant head parking noise is very hard to tolerate.
@SkiRiverRun
3 жыл бұрын
No, the WD120EMAZ is not SMR. All WD drives 8TB+ are CMR www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-lists-all-drives-slower-smr-techNOLOGY, now I do agree using something that looks exactly like what I pulled from an external WD Elements 12TB (for use in an unRAID server) is a little questionable. I don't see your typical gamer shucking drives to use as a game/boot drive. They should at least have used a regular 7200RPM CMR drive. They go to all this trouble to get representative drives for the SSD's, should at least do the same for the HDD.
@h1tzzYT
3 жыл бұрын
Ugh should have included 7200RPM hdd instead, barely anyone uses 5400rpm for games unless they are on extreme budget
@MG-zo6nq
3 жыл бұрын
Good point what about Raid
@magottyk
3 жыл бұрын
I have a fast 7200RPM 6TB drive with a big cache with sustained read/write speeds around 230MB/s which is about 15-20% faster than that 12TB archive drive. It wouldn't have made any significant difference to the results
@Revener666
3 жыл бұрын
would not have made much of a difference, I used a 7200 in my old system some games took minutes to load and then when I gota cheap ssd it was a huge difference much more then what is shown here in some games that he did not test.
@h1tzzYT
3 жыл бұрын
@@Revener666 it depends on games some really dont care(or at least difference is not big at all) if you are using hdd or ssd. Games with loads of seperate assets takes huge advantage using ssd like gta5 or bethesta rpg games.
@Revener666
3 жыл бұрын
@@h1tzzYT I know. Battletech is one of the game that get huge improvement on loadtimes with an SSD. Its loadtimes are horrible with an old HD.
@SmarterGaming
3 жыл бұрын
I will be interested in seeing how long it takes game developers to start taking advantage of the direct i/0 on the ssd's... and if it will be pcie 4.0 only or also work on pcie 3.0?
@andrewb5894
3 жыл бұрын
Will probably work on any with caching
@Zhaadum
3 жыл бұрын
Besides load times, Windows boot times would have been interesting. Or program load times. I had some test done a few years back. SolidWorks took 169s to load at work ....9s at home on my SSD. So SW load time and an assemble of ~100 parts will be blazing fast on an SSD as you read in all the files from the hard drive. Also similar to that could be compiling a project. I haven't done testing or a comparison but it seems the same 2 projects here at work will compile much fast on my PC with an SSD while my coworker is still running a HDD.
@leroyj9044
3 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest benefit for NVME drives that is almost not spoken about is not having to run additional SATA cables. This is a great benefit and I could easily see the average person not having to run any SATA cables in a practical build with most ATX variant MOBOs having 2 M.2 Slots, as well as potential for M.2 Expansion cards in dim.2 or PCIE slots...
@michaelmistaken2863
3 жыл бұрын
Would love a dollar per load-seconds graph! :)
@chrislosada6701
3 жыл бұрын
I guess this will just be revisited next year when DirectStorage from Microsoft comes to PC. Great Vid Overall!
@creytax9802
3 жыл бұрын
Do you thing there will be needed new motherboard for this technic? Or just a normal M.2 Motherboard with M.2 SSD. TY
@chrislosada6701
3 жыл бұрын
@@creytax9802 it suppose to be a software thing using the already existing stuff (rtx 3000 & big navi are the only supported gpus) my technical not so technical understanding of this lol
@gadick
3 жыл бұрын
HD in this benchmark: Yes i'm slow but i can load ALL THE GAME, because i have ALL THE SPACE!
@daviddavidsonn3578
3 жыл бұрын
The samsung has 8TB of space, not bad for an SSD
@d3tach3d
3 жыл бұрын
We wont see a dramatic difference for PC gaming until another 2-5 years when game engines can utilize and are optimized past the normal 500mb/s Sata SSDs to take full advantage of the insane speeds of 3000-7000mb/s 3rd/4th Gen NVMEs. As you can see a standard 500mb/s Sata SSD is only 1-3 seconds behind. Were first going to see the insane potential of these 4th Gen NVMEs with the PS5 and XSX because Devs will be creating games with that hardware in mind. Its pretty cool that consoles have pretty much caught up to most Gaming PCs in terms of graphics and fidelity and are actually beating PCs in terms of data speeds with their SSDs and custom I/O compression/decompression methods that PCs dont even have. (Steams Statistics show around 80% percent of PC Gamers still play at 1080p and have low/mid range hardware in their PCs). So even if a PC had the same exact NVME Gen 4 SSD, Hypothetically the console would still win in terms of loading times and streaming assets because of its I/O solution that PCs do not have at the moment. I think its great because it will hopefully force the market to bring the price of SSDs down even more over the next couple years for PCs. Also, HDDs are pretty much just becoming mass storage nowadays and their prices have bottomed out and been the same over the years while SSDs are/have became the new norm and just keep getting cheaper as well as getting faster and being pushed to new limits. (Im a PC Gamer of 20+ years BTW but I play consoles too) I dont take sides, theyre both great depending on the needs of the person and I try to look at things as objectively as possible.
@CreativityNull
3 жыл бұрын
I'm really disappointed he didn't even bother testing more performance based hard drives which still offer more storage per dollar than SSDs and instead opted for probably one of the slowest high capacity drives you can get your hands on as the only comparison to spinning hard drives. I would have loved to see how some faster ones like WD black HDDs stacked up against SSDs without a dram cache.
@wobblysauce
3 жыл бұрын
Better but still slower.
@PabzRoz
3 жыл бұрын
Corsairs pcie4 mp600 is awesome. I have the 1tb version as my boot drive holding the games I play most and a cheap 2tb crucial sata ssd to hold all my other junk. It's great that ssd's are becoming affordable now. Running games on a hdd nowadays is unbearable lol.
@TheKeyboardDemon
3 жыл бұрын
I did something similar, a WD SN550 1TB PCIe drive for boot and a Crucial 2TB BX500 for my game drive with a 1TB Samsung HDD that's been carried forward from a build in 2014 and is still going strong now, but that will probably be replaced by another Crucial BX500 drive eventually. My SN550 boots to Windows in about 20-25 seconds from hitting the power button to landing on the login page, how long does your MP600 take?
@PabzRoz
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheKeyboardDemon I actually have a 2.5tb Seagate HDD but I took it out of my build for now because I'm nowhere near full capacity yet on my secondary sata ssd lol. And 20-25 seconds? That seems kind of long. I was curious when you asked me how long it takes from the second you press the power button so I shut down my PC and tested it just now. From pressing the button to the windows log in screen it only took 12 seconds. Idk if it's because I'm taking advantage of pcie4 but even pcie3 should be a lot faster then that. Or do you have a lot of applications enabled on start up? The average boot time even on cheap sata ssd's are under 15 seconds.
@CalvinL.Stevens
3 жыл бұрын
I know people booting from HDD nowadays, lol.
@Erelyes
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like a 'Best SSDs for gaming' test, that doesn't compare 1% frametimes, is missing the mark. It really would be good to see if there's an improvement between fast and average SSDs.
@suhaib1249
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, this is what I needed for my new build. Couldn’t have been more timely. I am getting a PCIe gen 4 as boot drive but was torn between what to pick as mass storage secondary for games.
@jamesthomson8659
3 жыл бұрын
@U are My submissive toy and a big HDD for back-up.
@SVT_LIGHTNING
3 жыл бұрын
I just upgraded from my 850 evo ssd’s to corsairs mp600 as a boot drive and storage drive and I don’t care what anyone’s says in reviews and comments about it not making a difference for games because that’s complete b.s. For the main games I play like bfv and cod m.w alone made a night a day difference. I’m first in every game on call of duty and wait around for 5 seconds or more for people to load in. It’s ridiculous. Bfv was probably the biggest improvement with loading into 64 players games and all games in seconds. I’m not even joking it’s stupid fast. Games like Rdr2 and gta is faster but not night and day faster. Maybe a few seconds. But where the new nvme drives really shine is that my os boots in seconds. My os is already open and loaded in before my monitor can turn on from a dead start. My monitor is the bottleneck lol Corsairs mp600 are 179 each right now on amazon being they are on sale and worth every penny. When I bought my 850 evo back in 2016 during the Black Friday sale they were 216 each after taxes for the 1tb which was cheep compared to the over $300 before the Black Friday sale. So in 2020 paying less for the same storage size and more than triple the speeds is a huge win in my books. A upgrade that should be good for many years to come.
@suhaib1249
3 жыл бұрын
JT_STUD Thanks for sharing your experience. I think your set up is different to the one discussed here and what I am considering which could explain some of the differences. No doubt, it makes a big difference to go with fast PCIe 4 M2 drive for Windows which they have done for the test and I plan to do the same. But instead of using the same drive like you do I plan on going with another 2TB drive for mass storage. I was contemplating between SSD and PCIe Gen 3 for secondary drive. I am not bothered with 2-3 sec extra load time which is usually the case as you mentioned and also demonstrated in the test. I think what they pointed out was that differences in raw speed don’t translate in to similar magnitude jump in game loading times which is true. Of course, you can shave off few seconds in loading but how important is that? In my case, I want Windows to load fast so I am going with Gen 4 but for a secondary drive for mass storage and game, I am open to save some money. It is not that RDR 2 is going to load in 10 seconds on a Gen 4. Point is this is still relatively new and will be few years down the line until codes will be written to take full advantage of the fast NVME drives until then difference will be relatively small. I might use that money towards a better GPU not Big Navi is round the corner or it could be 3080X.
@SkiRiverRun
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesthomson8659 multiple drives in a separate unRaid or FreeNAS server for backup.
@KyleHatesBees
3 жыл бұрын
9:19 Something that people should be aware of regarding the "DRAM" issue between the SN750 and SN550 is that they both use Western Digital's amazing controller, and the SN550 uses a static SLC cache, which means its performance does not degrade as you fill it up. They're also both TLC drives so that's why they are still comparable in real world tests. If you pit the SN550 against something like a DRAM-less Kingston NVME QLC drive, the SN550 will blow it out of the water for the aforementioned reasons. It's important to take into account things like static vs dynamic SLC cache when looking at drives that do not have DRAM, as it drastically affects the performance, especially if you like to fill your drives up.
@HayBayle
3 жыл бұрын
Was actually looking at getting a larger SSD to replace my old chunky archival HDD. Cheers for the in- depth tests!
@Yellowswift3
3 жыл бұрын
20% club signing in. :)
@andrewcharlton4053
3 жыл бұрын
Would have been interesting to see a Raid 0 or 10 array of WD Black's or Golds to see if they can hold up vs SSDs
@yahyasajid5113
3 жыл бұрын
No amount of raid will bring the 4K r&w up with nand flash
@victorijapoosp
3 жыл бұрын
It's limited by how devs optimise their games. They never properly utilise the ssd on pc. Once the ps5 hits making devs take advantage of nvmes. We will see a huge improvemnt in load times and pop in, higher quality textures etc. The next gen of motherboards will have to standardise and implement a hardware decompression chip to speed up all data transfers
@philipmillard1651
3 жыл бұрын
I remember having 2 10000rpm raptors in raid they were ballistic
@chrissavill8713
3 жыл бұрын
Lol,.. me too, still use them too...well I did until a fortnight ago when one of the drives failed. :( I've had them for years too, so I definitely got me moneys worth out of them.
@philipmillard1651
3 жыл бұрын
@@chrissavill8713 yeah real shame they stopped making them
@Whalerguy
3 жыл бұрын
And still slower than a cheap sata ssd. Drive technology has become great.
@Haplo-san
3 жыл бұрын
I think only the "game loading performance tests" doesn't fit to IRL experience because most of times while playing a game, people watching videos and streams at the same time; some people do streaming and recording too; sometimes downloading files, loading dozens of tabs, using voice chat; and sometimes even playing two games (usually one idle or turn based game) at the same time in two different monitors. Sometimes doing few of them and sometimes doing all together; there we should see the real performance of SSDs under IRL pressure. And I shouldn't be only exception, there must be many people like me.
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