ESP Fierce (PP tour series bottom stamp) is one of my most reliable approach discs if I need a straight OR a right side finish. So easy to throw. With a neutron soft envy, a couple zones, and a fierce, i've got all my approaches covered.
@leightaft7763
7 ай бұрын
PURE! my most used disc. I use it for putting. Approach and even as a midrange. Love it for the narrow woods holes too.
@joebrannon8843
7 ай бұрын
I currently bag an Opto Pure and a Medium hard… Those are my dead straight putters…in the more stable slot, I have an eclipse proxy:..and my understable slot is a fierce. I love them all!
@AwheatTU
11 ай бұрын
Great video. As someone that bags both of these, I have heard people online compare these discs (call them both understable) and it always made me laugh. But I was cracking up watching Robbie throw both and then have an absolute battle within himself trying to explain why the Fierce keeps flipping and how weird it was that the Pure seemed to go straight.😂 People go a little nuts trying to call the Pure an understable putter. The Pure is my lazer straight putter, and the Fierce is super flippy and great for sweeping anhyzers.
@vvav
11 ай бұрын
Pure hasn't left my bag since the first time I threw one. For me, this disc just goes straight.
@DigitalDeluxeEdition
11 ай бұрын
Those Big Z are pretty understable for a Fierce. Z Swirl and Cryztal Fireces have been in my bag for a while now and will likely never leave, prob more like -1 turn on those plastics. They dont turn over like the Big Z, and will hold the line you put it on. Consistently throwing those fierces the same line and distance as my lunas.
@thunder1269
11 ай бұрын
I like the glitch for straight shots. For me the pure is more stable than the glitch I have thrown.
@mandalorian540
11 ай бұрын
Need more 3 speed content! Ps: tomb is a 3 speed 👀 just saying
@larrymorsemusic
11 ай бұрын
I just an ice orbit pure from foundation a couple days ago and it's awesome! Straight and doesnt flip over 🤘
@joshbaker1639
11 ай бұрын
I got an ice orbit one too and that thing is a laser beam. I love it!!!
@albertoquagliaroli4230
11 ай бұрын
Excuse me, but, in my opinion, this Fierce is clearly understable, this Pure is clearly straight and eventually a little stable.
@albertoquagliaroli4230
11 ай бұрын
The Deputy is far more understable in my experience. I don't use the Fierce. But I have 6 Pures, very good for straight throws, but I use a couple of Pures for their a little greater understability; resuming: a light Opto Air Pure and a Zero Hard Pure are more understable, an Opto Pure is slightly overstable; other two Pures - zero soft - are eminently straight, the last Pure is an old Zero Medium Pure that I use eventually only for putts).
@mikethomas5451
11 ай бұрын
I’d like to see a proxy bs PA-5 battle please.
@rylandlennihan8929
11 ай бұрын
Pure is less expensive than the fierce so pure all the way but i lost my pure throwing it on ny last hole so my proxy is my new straight to fading right disc
@TheKanuunankuula
11 ай бұрын
I would've liked a hole where you threw them forehand. Not every beginner throws BH.
@musicalchemist859
11 ай бұрын
New ink? It looks great!
@ilikesnow
11 ай бұрын
That's just what I was thinking! Classy sleeve start.
@jasonsmith2401
11 ай бұрын
I had trouble getting clean releases with both of these molds. I play with people that throw these molds very well, but they just never worked for me. I ended up settling on the Proxy, particularly in eclipse plastic.
@1andonlyMiro
11 ай бұрын
Pure. Availability, variety, price.
@colinarnold168
11 ай бұрын
PA5 v Proxy would be awesome to see too, I hope you decide to do that match up too
@shawnwhite1645
11 ай бұрын
I started out w/the Pure and really liked them for throwing and putting, but I've never thrown the Fierce. Looks like they're not exactly the same stability wise. I have since switched to using the Fission Envy (more neutral to stable) and the Neutron Proxy (more understable when thrown hard) for both throwing and putting. I prefer premium plastics even for putting. I really like this series, but I have a nagging thought. What if instead of Robbie throwing the discs and deciding if they're good for beginners, he has actual beginners throw the discs? 🤔 Or might that just become more "hilarious content" and less valuable? Or he could have one or two beginners throw and then he can also throw to give us a more advanced flight of the discs? Nevertheless, appreciate the videos. Always a great job done there, Robbie. 👍
@zerqaw11
11 ай бұрын
I putt with the Pure and throw the KT Moonshine Pure because the feel is perfect.
@BROWNSTONEBEAR-1983
11 ай бұрын
Even better would be my bros signed hex in the mail 😂😂😂
@alanlundberg4534
11 ай бұрын
If you do more 3 speeds for beginners, you should definitely check out the Lone Star Penny, the Westside Swan 1 Reborn, and the RPM Tui.
@wesleygrogan5318
11 ай бұрын
pure is better by a mile! good review through.
@ilikesnow
11 ай бұрын
What about the Pure vs Premium Sensei? Literally going through that debate right now. Have that same blue Gold Pure and a Cosmic Fury ina cart right now. lol
@Juggalo1990s
11 ай бұрын
Would love to see this kind of video with the judge and the MVP nomad
@humanbeing4995
11 ай бұрын
My buddy added an underweight glitch and he can putt now. For myself I like the climo aviar or the warden, depending on the shot.
@Rukazor
11 ай бұрын
Love the videos! As a hyper-beginner who just started disc golf this year, I would love to see the basic-ass Leopard from Innova be tested against other fairways, as it's still my favourite disc!
@lorensilbaugh7584
11 ай бұрын
Robbie, always enjoy the vids. Maybe invest in a shot tracer for your tee shots, I often lose them in the shot. Just a thought.
@wilsonodk
11 ай бұрын
I bag three Fierces. Two of them are my putting putter in baseline, and a Big Z Fierce as my turnover and straight throwing putter. LOVE them!
@Allanfan20
11 ай бұрын
Love the tattoo sleeve.
@matthewbertram4312
11 ай бұрын
The main difference (at least how I have experienced them) is that the Pure is more or less a Pure in every plastic. Obviously they wear and season at different rates, grip differences, etc. But if you like bagging few molds in different stages of wear, the Pure is money. But the Fierce can be almost a whole different disc in different plastics. Which some people like. But from a beginner standpoint, it's more of a challenge to learn and get comfortable with throwing the "same disc" but not being confident in how it's going to leave your hand.
@Evan-iq5xf
11 ай бұрын
Ive heard a lot about the PA5 the last two weeks, did someone throw it at USDGC/TP or something? Just bought a couple used PA3's as I own like, 4-6 different putter molds and I'm still looking for that mold that just magically makes me a better putter... Anyways would love to hear about PA3s if you throw a PA5!
@ryandowling4026
11 ай бұрын
id like another 3 speed video aswell. buuuut id like to see the axiom envy in there also!
@WhoThaCazer
11 ай бұрын
I find Fierce bit unreliable thrower, i have 2 Z plastic ones and i have tested those for couple rounds. But i quess it works for complete beginner who throws everything whit alot hyzer. Pa5 is bit weird feeling wide putter, it allmost feels like midrange in hand.
@Big_C_Here
11 ай бұрын
Well, I know nothing of Prodigy. Just doesn't seem to popular in the Kansas area, in my opinion. Aslo, is the Proxy a putter or a throwing a putter?
@jasonbarksdale8307
11 ай бұрын
Working on the slot. Been trying a few Proxy, Deputy, beat up Envy, Pure cant find one I like. Want that slow turn the Deputy is nice was will flip alot.
@Kroogg
7 ай бұрын
I actually bag both the PA5 and the Proxy. They are not even close to each other. It may be the plastic that I have but the PA5 is supper flippy. I use it all the time in the woods to hyser flip and turn over. To give you an idea my PA5 is close to a pearl, my son's PA5 has more stability. So I think the plastic has a lot to do with it.
@flipflat4814
11 ай бұрын
Robbie you look like the guy from BoneTactical YT channel 🤔.
@Dustybottoms1979
11 ай бұрын
Please quit thinking about your disc and think about your shot. Uphill, downhill, wind etc… Think more about the actual shot what it takes to get there
@theHOMELESSdude09
11 ай бұрын
Eco Pures have become my throwing putters. Idk why, but they feel great trying to hit 300.
@lagarb270
9 ай бұрын
I'd like to suggest the Gateway Magic, my current putter in s4 plastic, can be a little soft in the heat, but sticks very well.
@jaredseals7599
11 ай бұрын
Great video very good info........more importanly that shirt/jersey is legit. Do you have a favorite member?
@RobbieCDiscgolf
11 ай бұрын
Cop out answer is Sasuke for a brief stint, but Hidan is so sick! How about you??
@ToddsDiscGolf
10 ай бұрын
I have a couple Pures, a Hope, and a Dagger on the way!
@nickfoster8441
11 ай бұрын
Robbie, any chance you found a pink origin around hole 17? Have to ask lol. keep up the great work
@thomasdivine5825
11 ай бұрын
Hey, I didn’t hear the duck sound when you missed the putts. Make sure you keep that in there, bro Please😊
@arthurgegan3523
11 ай бұрын
Just get a Kc pro glow flat top pig, beat it in, doesn't take long, and boom straight putter. Best disc I bag
@DeciXmus
11 ай бұрын
I putt with the Pure in C1 - PA-5 in C2. Best combo in the game. I Approach with both those discs in Premium Plastic Opto Pure and 400 PA-5. Having only 2 molds makes the feel consistent and confident. I would love to see the PA-5 battle the Proxy.
@truce11
11 ай бұрын
Second the Proxy & Pa-5 comparison
@dangossen4937
11 ай бұрын
I’ve been watching for years now. Just noticing tattoos on throwing forearm. Are those recent?
@robertreed711
11 ай бұрын
I've found the judge to be a good throwing putter, would love to see what you would put it up against.
@PWheat23
11 ай бұрын
That Akatsuki jersey is the cheeks. Believe it!
@tikimurtaugh4919
11 ай бұрын
The fierce is a better putting putter but i can see alot of people being turned off by the wierd rim
@DouglasBardot
11 ай бұрын
I bag both because they are designed for different shot shapes.
@wooky5461
11 ай бұрын
Premium pilot and pace also good throwing putters
@jordanlamarca7709
11 ай бұрын
I have a crystal fierce, and I throw that thing all the time.
@beatlesrgear
11 ай бұрын
Robbie, you didn't rate these according to how they putt! What about putts 5-25 Meters?? I don't drive with putters, I drive with drivers and fairway drivers. I wanna know how these two discs PUTT. They are putters! I'm disappointed............
@mikethomas5451
11 ай бұрын
You must be real new to DG and DG thoughts, comments and play. I’m like you are but ‘everyone’ throws putters for drives and approaches all the time. So many people insist “beginners should only throw putters until they can throw them 250’-300’. “. Well, that’s crazy cus I’ve just gotten to 225 consistently after 3 years using fairway drivers. I’d never get there. The way he did /does this is common use and theory.
@bgrelle
11 ай бұрын
Love my Pure!
@musingsofarover
11 ай бұрын
Love this! I have the fierce as my putting putter and it in fly dye z. Would love to get it in cryztal. But i like the look of the pure too! May have to try it. Id be curious to see hownunderstable thr pa5 is. Especially then ti hear your thiughts on it comapred to the fierce. Ive never tried pa5 since i have the fierce.
@claudbutton8068
11 ай бұрын
This is truly my favorite series on KZitem.
@truce11
11 ай бұрын
It think it's worthwhile comparing the price b/w Pure & Fierce. The $20 putter still feels prohibitive for me as a casual player; let alone someone starting. There's so many great options that compare well with Pure's quality and cost. Would be more interesting to see Pure compared with Proxy or new Candy
@albertoquagliaroli4230
11 ай бұрын
The Pure in Retro Burst, Zero, soft, medium, hard plastic are cheaper than 20 €, for what I can say as an European. Their cost is usually around from 10,90 € to 13,90
@truce11
11 ай бұрын
@@albertoquagliaroli4230 that's what I'm saying. The Fierce is just a higher price point compared to the Pure
@jameshoover3583
11 ай бұрын
You never compare any lonestar star why?
@scottsorensen6216
11 ай бұрын
Oh, I see Mr. KZitem Man has a new bug. I was wondering how long it would take after the Pig. Nice sleeve. You also made me rethink my unloved Pure over my Bleak. The glide is sweet. And more putter-only games. Thanks for the GREAT content.
@Iliyena87
11 ай бұрын
My Pink Gold Pure have been in the sun a lot this summer, color faded a lot on the top... I think it might have stabeled it up, needs testing ;) My Crystal Z Sparkle 3xEPO Fierce needs to hit more trees to get less stable, it feels a bit weird throwing on an actual anny compared to the Deputy FOR ME and is WAY more stable so far. I want to try the Deputy in a premium plastic, never seen them in stock :(
@stationaries7197
11 ай бұрын
Reko in K1 plastic is worthy of a look
@levig6238
11 ай бұрын
Poa Supina is a wonderful grass cultivar that grows exceptionally in shade. Being likely south of the transition zone you’re probably looking at St Augustine or Zoysia.
@lorensilbaugh7584
11 ай бұрын
Also, yes on the Proxy from your end reflection, but I think it needs broken in quite a bit, it is a bit stable out of the box. I left one behind that was my absolute favorite disc for the past year and was pretty beat up. Easy to lace 200' shots. Now I need to start over. Another consideration is the P model US from prodigy. Pretty straight right off and the premium plastic feels great.
@chrisbaker1040
11 ай бұрын
I bag a Kristin tattar pure and it flips up on a slight hyzer and will hold the line with just a slight fade at the end of the flight. When I throw it at full power it turns over, so I tend to throw it 50-75% power and focus on throwing a smooth slight hyzer flip up
@10GritSandpaper
11 ай бұрын
The opto flag-dyed pure was the first putter i ever fell in love with. Now, i throw a Reko in that slot. Technically, 3,4,0,1 but you have to subtract 1 turn from all Kastaplast numbers.
@benharrison5816
11 ай бұрын
I threw approaches and putts with my starter set Aviar for quite a while before I got more into dg. For an absolute beginner it was fine for me, because my form was not good. As I improved I figured out that it was 149g which made it terrible for any wind and turned forever on harder throws. So definitely take weight and plastic into account. I now have a Penny Putter in glow plastic 173g, it's a great all-around stable putter which is great for learning shot shapes. I may pick up a shallower disc for a throwing putter tho.
@devlin76
11 ай бұрын
Great video Robbie! I throw mostly trilogy, and the Pure is my throwing putter. Fantastic disc. I like beads for putting, so I use the Judge, but everything else needs to be beadless for hand feel.
@alexlane288
11 ай бұрын
I think you need to throw the aviar3 in there
@NebulousWyatt
11 ай бұрын
I just started a few months ago and was debating on which of these two molds to bag and buy more of to get more back-to-back reps in at field work. I went with the Pure and never looked back!
@stuartschwenke6656
11 ай бұрын
Pure for sure. Way more predictable than the Fierce. I have a TS plastic, and it is just as flippy. I do feel that Fierce has more glide. When Paige throws the Fierce, she throws hard pushing hyzer that slow turns as it slows down.
@russwd1
11 ай бұрын
I throw an MVP Spin... very similar to these. Great flyer. 2.5 speed.
@rynoturtle
11 ай бұрын
Not a big fan of the pure for putting, I personally like the innercore from trashpanda, and I also like the mvp r2 ion.
@805guitars2
11 ай бұрын
When did you get your forearm done?
@ReluctantAardvark
11 ай бұрын
Totally different discs 🙄
@DiscGolfAU
11 ай бұрын
Great video. When I see rated playing earlier this year, I was advised to use the Pure. I got a great 2nd hand one.
@erichorn9858
11 ай бұрын
Bring out the proxy!
@ryansuter4424
11 ай бұрын
Yikun Yan 3 6 00
@dominice986
11 ай бұрын
ARM SLEEVE ROBBIE C!!!
@alanlundberg4534
11 ай бұрын
Great discussion and video. I liked your conclusions.
@SHIZZLER__
11 ай бұрын
Been watching for 2 years. Just now noticing the sleeve tat. Goodness Im blind.
@diamonddave211
11 ай бұрын
Tats look good brudda
@rodkesselring3006
11 ай бұрын
Pa5 vs Proxy please
@DamianM90
11 ай бұрын
I’m having a a gread day! Thanks for asking ❤
@DamianM90
11 ай бұрын
Also, I absolutely love the Pure. I personally use a Keystone for both approach (opto plastic) and as a putter in a softer plastic, but I got the Pure as a starter for my wife and she absolutely loves it. I’ve thrown it a few times and am heavily considering adding it to my bag
@zacharywescourt4791
11 ай бұрын
The pure has been my go-to throwing putter 🔥 Tattar version of course 😉
@johnbozzelli3756
11 ай бұрын
Yes I love my pa5 definitely needs a review
@Big_C_Here
11 ай бұрын
New ink?!
@ChrisWorfel
11 ай бұрын
Proxy +1
@brianwall240
11 ай бұрын
Pure
@John336NLT
11 ай бұрын
👍
@wilfredoriverajr.
7 ай бұрын
invisa disc
@natehyde10
11 ай бұрын
Woahhhh got the sleeve! Nice
@jimogden1506
11 ай бұрын
I'd like to see thw pa5 vs the proxy battle
@patrickflanigan951
11 ай бұрын
No comparison at all. Proxy straight, pa-5 good amount of turn
@DRickAnderson
11 ай бұрын
Never knew you to be a Naruto fan lol
@RobbieCDiscgolf
11 ай бұрын
Sasuke is my boy!!
@Theweekiwachie
11 ай бұрын
Pure is the putter of choice. I putt and throw pures, they hold any line I put them on.
@danielkolesnik2758
11 ай бұрын
dude, dawg i like your videos dude but please man, PLEASE, add the flight numbers in the description. please man please. ADD THE FLIGHT NUMBERS BRO PLEASE ANYWHERE. im watching this video and i'm like "wait which disc does what again?" please dude, please. thank you :) THANK YOU thank you man!!!!!!!! thanks :)
@SSquirrel1976
11 ай бұрын
The Pure has been my putter for awhile, but I recently picked up some Pure White Warlocks and Electron Anodes to have a putt off. Mostly bc it's fun heh. I have an Opto Pure (Gold line was hard to find for awhile), as well as an X-out Diamond Warlock and a Neutron Anode. I figure I can try them all out for driving as well. I'm not surprised by teh result, and I agree the Pure is a fantastic disc for newer players. Sure you can give them an Aviar or P2 or Wizard or whatever, but the shallower disc works for more hands. I definitely have smaller hands for a guy and there's plenty of discs that just don't feel comfortable. Pure always does.
@kieronmckay4276
11 ай бұрын
It's without any shadow of a doubt the Fierce. I have no doubt the Pure is nice even though I'd consider it filling a different slot in the bag since the Pure is more stable, the Fierce is probably one of the best discs ever made. If you watch Paige throw 325ft shots basing baskets, you'll get it...Watch this year's Preserve, I think it's hole 4? Makes everyone throwing mids and high speeds look stupid. It is a near ideal understable putt and approach...you will be hyzerflipping it, so don't expect throwing it flat and hard is going to get it go straight.
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