I am the owner of a six pack of Predators, so feel qualified to weigh in on a few subjects. With any Rel, placement is the key to how good it’s performance will be. It took me 11 different adjustments (distance from wall, proximity to mains, and toe in/out angle) to find the sweet spot where they blend perfectly with the mains and the room. I also had them break in properly, which took about 100 hours. I have had top tier SVS, JL Audio, Definitive Technology, and Seaton subs in my room, and can honestly say that these Rels blow them all away. Some may measure lower from a frequency standpoint, but don’t get hung up on a number. A lot of manufacturers will use a DSP to hit a number, but it doesn’t mean they hit it correctly. The Seatons I had would extend down into the single digits, but it was a sloppy boomy note that shook everything. With most movies, there were notes I did not like the Seatons (along with other brands), but liked them with other notes and effects. Rels are the most accurate, quickest, and impactful subs I have heard in my room, not just some showroom. As far as extension goes, these had no problem reproducing the notes at the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow. Watching an episode of Mr Robot even had subsonic activity, as there was a scene where you did not hear anything, but your seat and you vibrated from front to back. These subs can be as subtle as you need them to be to accompany music, but become sledgehammers to support a movie like The Outpost and pound you into submission making you feel like you are in the battle. And before you say it, “No” I don’t work for Rel. I am just a home theater fan who has found sonic nirvana. I still do have two SVS in the back of the room, which are unnecessary, but they do help with the decay from what is going on up front.
@kevinfazlic7198
3 жыл бұрын
Having just bought 2 x ht1205 l can honestly say l agree with everything you've said, particularly after running them in. Awesome product
@rushgush
3 жыл бұрын
i don’t think u even experienced funk audio subwoofers.... his subs have some of the strongest motor force in the world.
@darealestwon
3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of trying a 1508 predator, i currently have an svs pc2000 pro. How low is your in room response with the rels and do you feel your missing out on the lowest frequencies as the rels are spec'd to go down to only 21 hz, and if so does their speed and agility make up for it in your mind?
@kevinfazlic7198
3 жыл бұрын
@@darealestwon only 21?, most movie action is above 30
@chrisrichardson958
3 жыл бұрын
Jeff speck I can’t believe you have 6 of these that’s incredible! Question for how would you pair the 1508 to a rythmik? I’m torn between the two
@Rob-eg8qc
3 жыл бұрын
Good advice. I have an old REL Q400e that still packs a punch. My neighbours love it too. They even bricked my window so they could hear it aswell as feel the vibrations.. Evidence they have a good taste in subwoofers.
@mygrc9311
3 жыл бұрын
I never leave comments, but that was funny bro! Lol
@Duijnkiller
Жыл бұрын
I tried the q400e, it sounds the same as q200 only more power. Tried the rel stentor iii or rel studio?
@pastaman1319
3 жыл бұрын
Bought this one recently after having a SVS PB12 Ultra for many years. I always found the SVS unarticulate, lacking 30hz and up, as if it was obscured by the massive 25hz and below output. Even stopped enjoying movies at loud levels due to this. Repositioning and even moving to a new house did not have any effect. I used to own 3 other Rel subwoofers long time ago, so I remembered how they sounded and thought i give the 1508 a try. I can only confirm what the reviewer said. The speed of the driver is exceptional. Bass is accurate, detailed and never feels out of control. It gives a warm fundament to subtle effects, nuances which were lacking with the SVS. But it also has authority and can easily make my couch & floor shake as well, just like the SVS.
@marcusaurelius2988
Жыл бұрын
How is it for music only? It lacks the high level input. I was wondering if it was a serious drawback
@pastaman1319
Жыл бұрын
@@marcusaurelius2988 Its excellent for music as well. In fact I believe base quality either for music or HT goes hand in hand. I think what it makes it so good for music (besides the usual REL quality & expectations) is the lightweight carbon fiber woofer. I read somewhere that its about 3 times lighter than aluminum, but just as stiff. In any case, despite the 15"size, its extremely fast, tactile and accurate. The ability to immediately start/stop is remarkable. I use it with B&W 804D3, so you can imagine my expectations. I used to have 3 other rel subwoofers with the high level input, but do not miss it at all.
@robg8963
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a huge SVS fan but I appreciate you pointing out the limitations of the PB16 in some scenarios. I think some KZitemrs are afraid to criticize popular brands, but in reality this knowledge empowers the consumer to make better choices and set realistic expectations.
@gibluap
4 жыл бұрын
I did not notice the port noise with edge of tomorrow on my pb16 ultras. Although, I do have mine dialed in with a minidsp 2x4 hd. That might make a difference.
@natsukichan4980
4 жыл бұрын
@@gibluap Fairly certain SVS is one of those companies that pays reviewers to give positive reviews, so that's why you rarely see any criticism of SVS brand speakers and subwoofers. That being said, not saying that SVS subs are terrible, but its all about your preferences. If you like loooooots of bass, go with SVS. if you like quality, go for REL
@Kill0rbAg
4 жыл бұрын
@@natsukichan4980 That's..... well bullshit. REL is actually pretty big on the "We will send you stuff and you will mention these specific points that we lay out for you" thing. That's not debatable btw. I know this for a fact. Especially that quality bs even though it means practically nothing at all. SVS measures great. In fact the SVS PB-2000 measures better than the more expensive t7i. Not that REL is bad, but they make their money because they attach the words "quality", "musicality", "experience" and whatnot to their products and try to make themselves look like some kind of noble rebel. In fact your comments sounds almost exactly like a shortened REL talking point list. DON'T buy brands. You look stupid for it. Buy products for their merits, not the talking points of the marketing team behind it. In short: REL is okay but far too overpriced (Well SVS is too, many things audio are). That being said you also didn't make a "mistake" if you bought one.
@natsukichan4980
4 жыл бұрын
@@Kill0rbAg Rel and svs are roughly same pricing for certain things but I see your point
@waymonfrench2077
4 жыл бұрын
@@Kill0rbAg wow I guess you told him....whats your setup friend
@markwilson0077
4 жыл бұрын
I agree with your assessment 100% SVS subs are amazing for high SPL applications (QUANTITY). REL is articulate, refined and detailed (QUALITY). There is no wrong choice, just a matter of preference. Personally I chose the quality option, as music is definitely as important as Home Theatre and quality wins for me every time.
@keepingupwiththejones2933
4 жыл бұрын
Starting and stopping quickly is important in movies like Fury. The way you describe the differences between different bass scenes like Godzilla and Fury and then analyze the pros and cons of different subwoofers is steeped in knowledge and a detailed listening ear. You knocked it out of the park with this review. Honestly you still keep striving for excellence with these reviews. I am grateful.
@junior-OG
4 жыл бұрын
you have sealed or ported sub ?
@keepingupwiththejones2933
4 жыл бұрын
@@junior-OG I have SVS PB 16 Ultra, so ported. I like the tactile response and how low it digs .
@junior-OG
4 жыл бұрын
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 nice👌 Soon i will buy 2 pb-3000
@keepingupwiththejones2933
4 жыл бұрын
@@junior-OG they are having their outlet sale this weekend. At least the email I got says that they will be. But I hopped on the site and not too much in the outlet inventory. I wonder if they sold some of the outlet subwoofers already. The outlet has the best price and you still get the full 5 year warranty. Usually just minor blemished or small dents or cracks.
@rosstee
4 жыл бұрын
Master and Commander is another movie with quick but hard-hitting bass from the cannon shots - amazing with a good sub or two.
@americancreekresources6895
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a quality over quantity guy so these would be my pick over the SVS's but I just bought two JL Audio Fathom F112V2's and I would characterize them similar to your comments on the REL's. They also drop off at 20 htz but are simply magical above that. I love what they do but it's what they don't do that is so impressive (like screw with your mid-bass, sound bloated or boomy) and having owned a lot of nice subs in the past, you just don't know what you're missing until you try them. Impeccable build quality, craftsmanship, and performance! Of course you have to pay for that...... I hope you'll review a pair in the future but if you don't want to pay through the nose these REL's look real good.
@yourmom922
4 жыл бұрын
American Creek Resources those are my dream subs. Although I just bought two JL 12W6’s and a Crown xls 2002 so I do have my own budget version that sounds amazing!
@onlyvik
4 жыл бұрын
As a JL Audio F113 owner myself and knowing this Predator personaly I can tell you just as fast as JL Audio, but for my personal taste I prefer the Fathom series. I think comparing the Predator to the E series makes more sense. Then still I prefer JL Audio. That experience in quality bass has someting I prefer more. But the Predator has a fantastic price performance and very fast and solid bass. Very nice subwoofer which is one of the best I ever heard.
@yourmom922
4 жыл бұрын
@@onlyvik Have you ever heard a Gotham?
@onlyvik
4 жыл бұрын
@@yourmom922 yes. We had it on a show last year.
@Ctripp2448
4 жыл бұрын
American Creek Resources jl makes good quality subs but are wayyyyyyyy overpriced for the performance you get. Send those puppies back and go get some funk audio or rythmik audio subs. Better sound quality, build quality, extension and a ton more output.
@stephantranquille6681
4 жыл бұрын
REL has been at the forefront of subwoofers for a long time and are rarely equalled. I have used a REL T serie sub along with my B&W 705's. Since the sub was hidden away all my friends wondered how could such smallish speakers pull so much low end, Just perfect!
@Audfile
4 жыл бұрын
They don't really go down that low though. The best Ti is like 32 hz
@kevinfazlic7198
3 жыл бұрын
@@Audfile for music that's plenty
@Roof_Pizza
3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinfazlic7198 yup
@totalplonker824
3 жыл бұрын
I've had a similar experience! Considering I have my stereo Rels near the corners, positioned behind my sweet spot (out of view) when friends or guests come over and I whack some music on, I can see the heads turn to my little bookshelves, I know what I thinking... how the hell do they sound so huge. Oh yeah 😁
@alcozar5905
2 жыл бұрын
Comical at the forefront?!?! WTF(ever) 🤣🤣🤣
@chrish7540
4 жыл бұрын
I literally just bought a second Rel T9i today to go with my two channel setup. Love the speed and articulation.
@mikechivy
4 жыл бұрын
Chris H think I might buy me one of those. Heard they’re awesome for music. I want something that hits fast and hard and that seems to fall into that category
@ity1311
3 жыл бұрын
I just bought the T7i and it's great! Both for music and movies 😋
@riverst79
3 жыл бұрын
The most honest review I’ve heard on KZitem period! Thanks for keeping it real.
@erikhermans4003
4 жыл бұрын
Got my 1508 in today. What a beast! Am now deaf. Very pure bass. Expected a lot from it, but this surpasses everything.
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Congrats on the new sub 👍👍
@zztop7000
2 жыл бұрын
I also got this Predator!
@tylee5291
4 жыл бұрын
I bought the 1205 to replace an SVS 20-39 pci for rear end. LOVE it. SO much smoother and not as boomy as the SVS. Rel had a sale towards the end of last year. Bought mine then. I'm looking forward to buying two 812s and 510 to replace SVS subs on my front end. Want them for a 50/50 music/theater system. I'm a convert.
@Badazz08
4 жыл бұрын
You wont go wrong with switching to rel. I have 2 S5 sho subs for the front channels and 1 t9i for the front center. Holy crap, the center channel sound is amazingly better now. More depth and more full sound. From dialog to music it's just amazing what these bring. Rel is in a league of their own.
@tylee5291
4 жыл бұрын
@@Badazz08 I agree. After hearing the 1205 in my home and a 510 six pack in the store, I know I'm making the right choice in switching over to Rel.
@Badazz08
4 жыл бұрын
@@tylee5291 I'm still thinking of getting 2 of the 1508 subs. Though seeming what rels of done with the center and front channels, I really want to add some to my surrounds to get some more depth there also.
@tylee5291
4 жыл бұрын
@@Badazz08 You will definitely get full extension on your surround. That 1205 made a huge difference for me...and I only have one sitting right behind the main seat. I would have gotten a second one if I had space to put it with the right surround speaker. Kinda wish I had gotten the 1508 instead, but the 1205 is working well.
@Badazz08
4 жыл бұрын
@@tylee5291 Huh. I've not thought of that. Putting the sub right behind my seats is a darn good idea. Especially for the .lfe channel.
@michaelslocumbsr.2286
4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding review... Very informative... Thank you pointing out the difference between each sub during the movie clip sound checks....
@bamlin52
4 жыл бұрын
REL have been at it a long time . They are a quality sound. Good review. Thanks
@b.a.2335
4 жыл бұрын
I think Rel subs are great especially if you listen to music more than watching movies with a lot of action. If you're on the 65% of 100 of the former you can't go wrong with them. Would of liked to see you seal the ports on the pb16 for a more apples apples comparison tho are maybe minimize the Q setting at least on the SVS.
@davidrivera2165
4 жыл бұрын
Shane, for the exact reasons you praise the RELs 1508 is why I have three 10" sealed subs with added passive radiators. They are lightning fast, no annoying resonance, and fantastic musicality. Yeah, I love down deep bass, but I prefer overall balance.
@TaylorMadeTheater
4 жыл бұрын
Nice! I'm an SVS worshiper here. Maybe in calibration try adding a few feet more distance when using 16 ultras since they're digital. For me the bigger the room, the better large subs sound because I can feel the contrast in the waves of bass without them immediately bouncing off the wall behind me. Bass traps help but there isn't traps big enough for my dual 16 ultras to sound pure, opening the doors and windows helps refine the clarity but still no regrets. The 2000 & 3000 series is best suited for the average size living room. Also Plz turn the subs up more for the demo part cause they weren't even moving. Thx!
@TheAk1292
4 жыл бұрын
Hey @SpareChange FYI I turned my humble BK 300SB up to -15dB, played the intro to Edge of Tomorrow. First note, the house starts shaking. Second note is more of a loud constant mid-bass, the house still shaking a little. Then the infrasonics start. The 3rd note is low and clear. I don't know if that is too low for my sub to fully realise but it's still very audible. The fourth note starts to shake the house again but not like the first. The final tone, which I think is also infrasonic shakes the house again, but in a different way. Kind of like it's reverberating through the room. I lurve my humble BK :)
@Theater_Of_Doom
3 жыл бұрын
A comparison between "dual" SVS SB-16 Ultras and "dual" REL HT/1508s would be very interesting. Pricing is fairly close, but the specs heavily favor the SB-16 Ultra. It would be fun to see how they stack up with real world testing.
@GravitySandwich
3 жыл бұрын
If you like response over high pressure, the REL's is just where it's at. I've noticed many things like gunshots, short bursts of bass, etc. sound way better on the REL. The SVS is quite responsive for a ported sub though, just not responsive enough.
@SS-cs6wt
2 жыл бұрын
I got 6 of these in two stacks. Everyone who has heard them is blown away. Granted I paid over $9k for these, but they sound really really good.
@TheGreenerLawn
3 жыл бұрын
Bro ur voice is butter 💯💚 Thanks for your review!
@keepingupwiththejones2933
4 жыл бұрын
Love the predator sound at the start of the video
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
Someone caught it.
@ericellsworth9852
4 жыл бұрын
@@therealshanelee would you consider pairing these with your Svs subs? Get the deep, powerful, infrasonic low end of the svs, but have the articulate definition of the 1508s? Could you do such a set up even? Thanks. Great review as always btw!
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
I have the REL's up front and the 16's in back. Sounds great. No complaints.
@keepingupwiththejones2933
4 жыл бұрын
@@therealshanelee except from your neighbors. 😅🤣
@dougv464
4 жыл бұрын
@@therealshanelee Hi Shane I have been wondering about combining a smaller sealed sub with my PB16 for the reasons you have discussed. Can you comment on RELs concept of connecting to both high level and LFE? Thanks! Doug
@AsadNazif
3 жыл бұрын
It’ll be interesting to have the REL stack. I wonder if you can get those lower octaves that you wanted from the SVS, but with all those good speed the REL could give
@torock3075
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks soo much for this review man, have had my eye this one since it’s release. Was looking for a sub that can hold its own for music and ht. While I was slightly disappointed with its ability to dig low in edge of tomorrow I feel I have to adjust my expectations a little as ‘musical’ subs are a tough proposition to pull off. I think this product walks the line well.
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
Not many subs can do Edge of tomorrow justice.
@rednecktech9485
4 жыл бұрын
@@therealshanelee Great movie too! Tom Cruise might be a strange guy but he's a hell of an actor.
@reginaldnutter6613
4 жыл бұрын
Persona sub 1 can do it justice
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
@@reginaldnutter6613 I'll have to look into that.
@NakeanWickliff
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why people don't mix more subs/ported vs sealed, fast vs deeper. I know it takes more time to tune but if you're this deep into it I'm sure you have the patience to work on the room and placement to get the best of both worlds. My towers and surrounds don't all have the same size drivers and frequency response. Shoot, may towers have different sized drivers. With the DSP and EQ we have access to these days it just takes a little time.
@Conservator.
4 жыл бұрын
🙏 for adding metric units! 👍
@thedesperado9720
4 жыл бұрын
REL subs are known to be perfect for Musik, was considering the I9 but the lack of EQ and DSP killed it for me. Requires options for sub placement I do not have. Went for B&W DB instead and do love it. REL subs are great though.
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
If you've got a modern processor the lack of DSP shouldnt be an issue.
@onlyvik
4 жыл бұрын
That same dsp on the SVS makes the subs terrible in quality bass. The dsp is always in the signal path, a lot of delay and you cant disable them. I never heard a good SVS and I dont mean low bass. JL audio and this sub are outstanding.
@alk209
3 жыл бұрын
Hi which DB series do you have. Does it really dig deep?
@nonny_elder_gamer
4 жыл бұрын
Great review as usual. I just add 2x 1205 and I'm very pleased with them - you're right there is no sub that perfect all have their pro and cons. For me, I like the way Rel sub sound like - fast and clean bass (I also have T9x2 for centre and front speakers and T0 for surround they are all impressive). I'm now thinking of adding one more - Elac SUB 2070
@shaundavidssd
3 жыл бұрын
2 predators, 2 T9's and a tzero?? Yeah of course you have buddy lmfao
@Idito0648
2 жыл бұрын
What is yours set up on ht1205 for gain and crosover?
@Lintahlo
4 жыл бұрын
Very excited for the comparison of this and the SVS SB3000
@ben23a31
4 жыл бұрын
Candid honesty! 👍🏽 Now can you Please Please Please review a couple of Rythmik servo 15 or 18" inch sealed subs?! Their F18 especially ✊🏽 thanks and really enjoy your channel. ✌🏽
@darealestwon
4 жыл бұрын
You’ve got the smoothest voice
@mudfan061
4 жыл бұрын
Khalif Salahuddin just keeping talking to me SpareChange
@darealestwon
4 жыл бұрын
Yolo ask your mama she knows
@nonametofame
4 жыл бұрын
I can understand why REL has been so popular with more "critical" music listeners, as most HT enthusiasts obsess over, "quantity over quality" room shaking bass. A lot of people seem to ignore that subs are tuned to a certain frequency rage, sacrificing lower SPL output for quality upper mid bass. The best balance I've seen of this are with Hsu subs, that are quite musical, but can keep up with The Godzilla/Aquaman tracks. SVS subs tend to be tuned for those tracks sacrificing musicality. But its DSP app is hard to beat. Two questions for you, Shane? 1. Do you still get port chuffing with EoT even with both PB16s played (looks like you're running them in max extension mode/1 port plugged 2. Have you managed to get all 4 subs to play nicely together? Using the PB16s to handle the bottom end, and RELs for the quick hitting stuff
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
I've got a small dip around 45hz but they're blending nicely. I don't listen insanely loud to hear chuffing. I think the louder you go the less you'll hear what's happening in the soundtrack.
@nonametofame
4 жыл бұрын
@@therealshanelee Thanks slick. I loved this review. Not many get the chance to demo a combination of ported and sealed SVS subs, along with RELS, and provide honest insight on the pros/cons of all the I noticed you got another coming....dang! I'm guessing Rythmik or JTR.
@robertholcomb5450
Жыл бұрын
I tried to replace my 1508 with a monolith 13 THX. Couldn't do it. While the monolith dug deeper, the 1508 is so much more fast and accurate. The majority of the time you don't need to dig deep. The fast and accurate is relevant for every movie.
@rayking507
3 жыл бұрын
Hi guys I actually own a single Rel HT 1205. Let me tell you that Rel is very detailed and refined compared to SVS pb 1000 i used to own. Ok pb 1000 did go lower (19hz) and made us feel the scenes below 21 hz, but thats the only praise i can honestly give it. Other than that, compared to the Rel SVS was boomy and one note, for example there was a night club scene with loud music and i could not work out the conversetion that was being had, but once i changed to the REL the same scene was so much cleaner (still loud) but i could hear and understand the speech going on in the club scene. Not just only that, but in so many aspects of all movies i watch i smile and realised i made the right choice. Guys trust me, just to feel some parts ( not many ) in certain movies you really dont wanna spoil the rest of the movie with boomy one not bass. You shoul enjoy all parts of a movie with a subwoofer not just some parts. Also Rel has been making only subwoofers for years, dont you think they now how to make ported subwoofers for movies, there is a reason why they dont go down that root, and that is because they put QUALİTY, DETAIL and SPEED of sound first.
@nerijus01
3 жыл бұрын
Is HT1205 good for music ?
@rayking507
3 жыл бұрын
Yes very good for music too, but you should know that Rel has better subs for music anything from the Ti and the S series would be your best choice for music but they cost more T7i and upwards. If you have the money I would suggest S812 for both movies and music, goes low in frequency for movies and super fast and detailed for music. About £2.300.
@Mean_Gene_69
3 жыл бұрын
@@rayking507 I’m an owner of a brand new HT1003 and after it’s break in period was over I absolutely LOVE this sub, it’s so much fun! It’s honestly the nicest sub I’ve ever heard, I’ve never had the pleasure of hearing a sub good enough for music and movies. As you’ve already figured out my budget is kinda tight so since I can’t afford a 2300 pound sub do you think the T9i would be a good choice even though that a super expensive sub for my wallet or even better for my wallet would be the HT1205
@rayking507
3 жыл бұрын
@@Mean_Gene_69 Yes go for T9i you will love it, but it doesn’t go low as the ht 1205 but its super fast and super detailed, your gonna love it. But heres another thing, when I spoke to REL technician last year and ask them when they will upgrade on the HT range they said that it only come out recently and that the next upgrade is more likely to be on the Ti range because its been out the longest. Before, they called it T range, then they upgraded it to being more refined, cleaner and faster sounding better and called it Ti range, so maybe you should wait for an upgraded version that Iam sure will sound better than the Ti 9.
@Mean_Gene_69
3 жыл бұрын
@@rayking507 thank you very much for your reply and the information as well. I’d love to have the T 9i and you certainly gave me food for thought. I wonder if an update is coming out what kind of time line they’re thinking about. Maybe I’ll just sit on the HT 1003 that I already have and wait for the upgrade
@Paranimal86
4 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a comparison to the sealed HSU ULS-15MK2... I bought it because I enjoy both music and movies and sealed is def the way to go for me, it’s about half the price but I think it may out preform the REL predator in some ways... it is a really fast articulate sub, it also digs pretty deep and completely flat down to 20hz audioholics measured it out doors and was able to hit 12.5 Hz at 90dbs... I have one so I may be biased but I’ve heard many high end subs before, and to my ears this one was able to check all the right boxes and have been more than impressed with it. HSU amp does 600 watts continuous where the REL is 800 watts RMS... but the HSU can peak at 2000 watts! Where the REL its only 1200 watts... I’m only running one ULS sub currently and I’ve legit had stuff rattle in my second floor bedrooms of my house, and my home theater is pretty well isolated with insulation in my basement. That being said I’d love to hear what REL has to offer, I have not heard one of their subs yet. I’d like to see these 2 subs go toe to toe since I feel they carry many similar characteristics.
@404010ful
4 жыл бұрын
Nice review using Dayton Audio two 12 inches right now but down the road I know REL would be my next purchase.
@michaelp7185
3 жыл бұрын
You do a great job. You give me the info I am looking for in a manner that makes sense to me.
@rovd4433
2 жыл бұрын
Also thank you so much for exposing some of the svs pb16 ultra shortcomings. I'm a bit surprised at the pb16 ultra that's supposed to be a flagship to have such limitations compared to its junior bother. Anyway, this is more of a subjective topic but you've done well to air your view.
@sickjohnson
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like a good review, and is what I would expect. Years ago REL used to make some very different subs, in in particular had 2 smaller drivers in a large ish type of multi chambered cabinet, and these were the ones that played way down low. In fact they required a liability release to be signed upon purchase, for foundation damage, I think they were like $15K too. Anyways there was a guy who had bought 2 of them because he loved pipe organ music and they were the bees knees for that. Now days I would lean heavily towards a JL audio Fathom f112v2 for a good compromise of music and low end room pressure, but that comes at a price of $4K each. Paradigm years ago used to have the Servo 15 that could also hit hard and fast plus low, it's sad they discontinued such a master piece. Servo's didn't last long enough back then...still to this day it has no equal?
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
We've got something in the fathom territory coming in 😉 should be up this weekend.
@sickjohnson
4 жыл бұрын
@@therealshanelee Saaaweeeet!!!
@johnwhite2576
4 жыл бұрын
Drivers these days are my h more sophisticated and capable, really mitigating the need for a servo (which has its own issues re complexity and durability) . JL audio does make great subs, but look at Arendal subs, esp their dual opposed driver 1723 v2 for almost 1/2 the price of JL-great balance of articulation speed AND deep bass !
@snauspockets9924
3 жыл бұрын
PSA TV2112 here. Highly recommended. As for the REL, I hope that shiny top can come off...I really don't like that at all. The last thing I want is a big shiny reflective surface underneath my screen spraying light everywhere.
@dustind5176
4 жыл бұрын
The myth of sloppy bass with big woofers: Contrary to popular belief, a larger driver will sound tighter/cleaner than a smaller driver, all things being equal. A larger driver will have a higher moving mass than a smaller driver, but will not have to move as far to create the same SPL. A 15" has about twice the radiating area as a 10", so the 10's cone will need to move twice as far to displace the same air (which is what creates sound) in the same time. It thus needs to move twice as fast. Kinetic energy = 1/2 (Mass) x (Velocity)^2, so mass isn't as much an issue as is cone speed and thus it will be harder to start and stop the cone of the 10 than it will the 15. That lends to "sloppy" bass and why a larger driver will sound "cleaner". For SPL below 30hz, there's only so much a sealed 15" can do regardless who makes it, because it simply cannot move massive amounts of air. In reality, you should have a minimum of two to be adequate (as you alluded to when mentioning the lackluster performance at the beginning of Edge Of Tomorrow) and four to have any authority when it comes to 15-20hz reproduction. Suggestion: Instead of buying one super expensive sealed sub, buy four cheaper ones - it balances out the frequency response (if located throughout your room) and reduces distortion.
@chrissheldrick4073
2 жыл бұрын
So now we have the 1510..JUST CAME OUT...looking forward to that review
@therealshanelee
2 жыл бұрын
It's a nice upgrade.
@madcrabber1113
2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully high level inputs will be added to this series in the future.
@MichaelGreco
4 жыл бұрын
Great video shane! I would love to see these head-to-head with the sb16 Ultra!
@samidebs3559
3 жыл бұрын
I think you should sell your dual Pb ultra 16 and replace them with 4 Rel ht/1508
@raulgutierrez1501
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe you can get the same feel from the Rythmik FV15HP Direct Servo Subwoofer?
@Tec2Nut
3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a comparison against the PB3000 as they are in the same price range 🤔
@MichaelGreco
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane! I'm sure you would have mentioned it in your review since you are super fair in your analysis. I'm seeing comments of users experiencing an audible hum from a distance away from the unit. Did you experience anything like this?
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard hum on the ones I had but I've heard people mention it.
@MichaelGreco
4 жыл бұрын
@@therealshanelee thanks for the reply!
@SteveSmith-cm1hx
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent review and very informative.
@epg2501
2 жыл бұрын
Here’s a question for you….. I just got in two HSU VTF subs. Have them set to EQ1 and one port plugged in and just blown away with the depth and tightness and “blending” factor. I want to get two more subs that I can crossover at a slightly higher frequency to handle the upper bass punch region but I don’t want boomy. Should I look at maybe the 12” REL’s or any other suggestions? On the waiting list for the RSL Speedwoofers too. Thanks!!!
@gsmd770
4 жыл бұрын
That was a great review! I've never listened to REL's before? I use 2 SVS PB-13 Ultra's. 6 months after I bought these subs SVS came out with the PB-16's. They offered me a trade in opition,but for 2 subs I only walk away with one?! That was a no go! That's always been the problem with acoustic suspension subs in home cinema? The ports let the subs go a lot deeper than sealed subs. It's the total oppsite for music. Sealed subs are great for music,where as ported subs aren't so great? I'm more than happy with my 2 SVS PB-13's. Great video!!!
@johnlira3316
4 жыл бұрын
gsmd770 did Svs tell u that 2 pb 13s equal to one pb 16 in performance power ect..?
@gsmd770
4 жыл бұрын
@@johnlira3316 No they didn't. And I'm not that stupid?! 2 subs is always better than one. The sound of 2 subs sounds better as well. You don't end up with those dead spaces where there's no bass at all!!!
@TrumpWinner
2 жыл бұрын
Off topic but your voice sounds great on this vide, what microphone are you using ?
@Audiolympian
4 жыл бұрын
Great video bother. I’ve been thinking about picking up a rel sub. All the reviews and high end sellers always recommend rel. but I’ve never heard one. You’ve just gave me some good food for thought.
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
They're definitely worth a listen.
@Espiritiv
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid, After hearing your description about the infrasonics not cutting it, i think i crossed it off my short list. Looking more towards Rythmik E15HP2 or G22 now. Any direct comparison you can do on those?
@docwho10th88
4 жыл бұрын
HSU subs rival SVS also. I have been doing HT for about 40 years and the HSU 15 MK 2 is the perfect 50/50 sub. Hits deep, fantastic midbass and tight as a drum in one port mode. You can also "tune" the sub for a looser or fatter sound for HT or tune it to a tighter sound using the Q control for music. I use the 5.0 setting which for my room is perfect for both. The tactile feel in INSANE! No need for bass shakers at all! You can feel the bullets hit your chest during movies and it will shake your room like no other sub under $1500. The 4. 5 inch triangular ports are equivalent to a huge 9 inch port! The sub in my room gets down to around 13HZ at 92 db which is crazy for a sub that is under $900. You can get 2 of these bad boys for the price of 1 REL and 1 SVS and call it a day! www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15hmk2.html
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm I might just have one coming in soon 🤞
@docwho10th88
4 жыл бұрын
@@therealshanelee There was a subwoofer shootout years back with the original MK1 that had the lighter driver and only 350 watt amp. It was still able to best the SVS and Rythmik subs at that time when it came to tactile feel. The MK2 has a beefier woofer and 600 watt amp. HSU subs are the kings when it comes to shaking your home violently. The Rels are good music subs because of the sealed design...but just like the SVS SB 2000 and SB 3000 plus the PB3000 they can't dig deep like the MK2 can...you would have to move up to the SVS PB 4000 to best 1 HSU 15MK2...but then again you can get 2 HSU MK2's for about $300 cheaper that will best the 4000 and also give you a more balanced sound. There is another reviewer on KZitem that chose to keep the entry level HSU VTF-2 MK5 over the SVS PB 2000 because it was tighter and more articulate when it came to music and it also dug deeper for movies. You will really have fun with the MK2! ;-)
@rockp5396
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane, great video - thank you. How would you compare the 1508 against the Rythmik F18s?
@justplainlawr
4 жыл бұрын
Very good review! It sounds like the PB3000 may be the best mix with of the transients of the SB3000 / 1508, and some of that good old fashioned ported slam of the SB-16 Ultra
@anthonyrizzo84
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane beetween this and sb16 which one would you choose?
@theodore6548
4 жыл бұрын
REL subs are the best.
@thematpro
4 жыл бұрын
Are any of the JL Audio Fathom subs next up in your sub reviews? 😁 I know its a different price point, but would love to hear your thoughts on them. 👍
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
I got something else. Stay tuned.
@thematpro
4 жыл бұрын
@@therealshanelee Awesome!! On standby. 😊🍿
@Mean_Gene_69
3 жыл бұрын
I just bought the HT 1003 and after it’s break in period was finished I absolutely love it!! Just wondering but is the 1205 even MORE of a good thing such as control and detail? I really have no interest in shaking my house type of power, that’s not my thing but if the 1205 is even smoother and more detailed than it’s lil brother I’m thinking I need to upgrade
@ondrejgaran2307
2 жыл бұрын
Hello, one question, I see you use the SVS sounddpath on REL Predator, in the other review I notice, that the REL subwoofers has resonation issue, and the SVS feet from rubber solve it. Thats your case too ? Thanks
@chrisrichardson958
3 жыл бұрын
Question this rel seems so clean how do you think it compare to a sealed rythmik f18 ? I’m in the market or duel subwoofers I’m going to use it for mostly movies so would a ported design be better? The only concern with ported is port noise I’m not a big fan of that
@JoseLuis-nj3jw
3 жыл бұрын
After seeing this review I am about to cancel my order of SVS PB 2000 pro. My room is 21 by 13 and I used to love the old infinity servo subwoofers. Now that I am getting back into HT, I have been trying to shop for the best sound for about $2000. Some reviews indicated that having two SVS PB 2000 pro will be better than having 1 SVS PB 3000. I was tempted to buy 2 SB 3000 after seeing your review as well, but end up ordering PB 2000. But now that I see this review, I am wondering if I decided to quickly and I should further explore Rel. Do you have any advice on this? I have a 7.1 system with old bookshelf Sonus Faber speakers. Thanks in advance!
@davidrojas6457
4 жыл бұрын
As always, great review. Only thing.... the overdub bits are a little weird.
@erikbritz2637
4 жыл бұрын
Reason for the sound difference is cause a 15" sub share aspects of a 12 & 18 the 15s therefore sit in the middel matching both this makes me wonder how a 18 to 24 inch sub would sound for you and if you would prefer it or not.
@jessontvarghese327
4 жыл бұрын
So which one you personally prefer for your movies, dual PB16U or dual REL1508 ? Please reply.
@chrissheldrick4073
4 жыл бұрын
HI Shane ….thanks for the review . KEF have a sub...kf92 which looks very interesting would be great if you could get hold of one (or two ) and do a review ...would be nice to hear your thoughts .
@r0p
3 жыл бұрын
Svs sb3000 pb3000 or rel 1508. Small medium room. Which one would you choose and why. I understand there is always personal taste involved. I use it first for movies and games. 2nd for music
@madosa.customs
4 жыл бұрын
have you ever tested the Arendal Sub 2? I'm wondering how the Arendal Sub 2 compares especially to the SVS SB-3000. An other interesting sub in the same price range would be the Emotiva Airmotiv RS13.
@jjchmiel78
4 жыл бұрын
For the same money I would like to hear your comparison of these to PSA S18 iPal. An additional comparison would be your PB16 Ultras to the PSA S3612 for the money.
@Chase023
3 жыл бұрын
In edge of tomorrow, when does the really low bass hit? 6 seconds in or around 25 secs? Before the Warner Bros logo?
@keepopenminds
4 жыл бұрын
Hi.. Just lost between REL HT/1203 & SB 2000. This is mainly for movies. Which sounds best? need your thoughts..
@Scarczar
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane, If money was no object which sub would you buy for watching movies?
@JingoLoBa57
4 жыл бұрын
Can you combine these subs or any that can reach lower? Or just skip this and choose a bigger REL model?
@sureshsteven8669
3 жыл бұрын
Too bad it couldn't pick the ultra low LFE at the intro of edge of tomorrow. That was quite a let down considering its expensive price tag.
@cyberathlete
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@Jorgesdetailgarage
4 жыл бұрын
I am a bass junkie and I did buy a rel sub before I went ahead and Changed it out for a SVS sb300. Rel is great for music but Play Aquaman on an SVS sub an your hooked
@rashidinrahim4415
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane am on arendal subwoofer 2 for 2 years now. Will purchasing these Rel sub an upgrade? Am considering this sub or even the s812.
@rorymells3405
3 жыл бұрын
How would you compare this sub over an HSU ULS 15 Mark II or a Bower and Wilkins DB3D, I've heard these two are fantastic.
@Mr.HotRod
2 жыл бұрын
SC: I need a little advice when you find time. I now have the funds finally for a good subwoofer in the $800. to $1000.00 dollar range. All I have is a Yamaha YSP 4000 soundbar but I really love it. It has a Subwoofer output port so I believe I can send a signal to a independant subwoofer is this correct. Smaller / Average size living room. Thanks in advance Hot Rod
@danuselman5828
3 жыл бұрын
Jeff speck,I have Seaton submersive and slave,and just ordered a 1508 for music only,how much better is the rel?
@xanderguldie
4 жыл бұрын
Seales boxes don't make the drivers move faster, they only stop faster.
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
There's a part in the video that explain the speed. Two actually.
@xanderguldie
4 жыл бұрын
@@therealshanelee a driver is as fast as the upper frequency that it can play, it stops faster in a sealed box or if it's a servo woofer
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
Ok your point being?
@Bulldog_DK
Жыл бұрын
did you get a better sub mic to record ??
@TechinaSec101
4 жыл бұрын
Great review as always. Iam not to sure about SVS still thou.
@theheadsn
4 жыл бұрын
I ended up buying a pc-4000 and couldnt be happier. Actually I could, I need a second one lol I didnt realize what I had been missing by not having a decent subwoofer. I think with any that you go with, as long as it is big enough to fill your space you'll end up happy
@TechinaSec101
4 жыл бұрын
@@theheadsn True, my current space is 5m by 4m so going with a 12" should do the trick :)
@theheadsn
4 жыл бұрын
@@TechinaSec101 my area is very open, so I knew whatever brand I went with I would need something to fill it, or at least attempt too. I would say buy whatever is within your budget for sure, but dual subs (or more) is always preferred if possible
@rovd4433
2 жыл бұрын
Great review always, thank you. Well, I haven't heard this rel 1508 before but having seen its specs and listening to all you've said, while I respect the 1508 for being a bit faster according to you, I'm a bit disappointed to say the least. I've thought at 15inch the rel 1508 would out match by miles the 13.5inch sb4000 initially. I think at 15inch and for what it does, it is a bit oversized, overpriced, underpowered and also lacking in user's convenience compared to the smaller 13inch sb3000 that digs aggressively deeper when it comes to movies. I live in a tiny upstairs flat and the sb3000 (depending on some hard hitting movies) literally rattles and rumbles the floor as if a forklift was beneath trying to break floor. I have to tune it down for neighbours respect. When it come to music, the likes of "running by naughty boy featuring Beyonce " with that starting rumbling bass intro and "put on" by jeezy shake everything as far as the bathroom tub. I've always kept room door wide opened so dissipate the sb3000 pressure into the other areas. Even with that, it is still rude!! If Rel 1508 was truly meant for movies as opposed to music then why shouldn't it drop extremely lower on its own and why should it have to be teamed up with another subwoofer to cover-up for what it cannot handle? To me, that defeats the objective for which it was primarily designed because not everyone out there would want to buy two subs for several reasons among which could be due to lack of spacing.
@robertholcomb5450
Жыл бұрын
Listen to one and then come back here and edit your post. 😉
@Chase023
3 жыл бұрын
Do you think you could ask Rel to lend you a pair of their No. 25 to review??
@therealshanelee
3 жыл бұрын
I've tried multiple times. Doesn't look like it happening.
@KPAki1Ler
3 жыл бұрын
For the feet. Is it possible to put the svs soundpath feet on the REL ? Is the thread the same?
@danm3655
2 жыл бұрын
On a scale of 1 to 10...what would you rate the 1508???
@notagunfreak8146
4 жыл бұрын
at 8:24, please add the gain + output in decibel, otherwise this graph is useless. Because I dont know it this has 40 db output at 20 hz or 80?
@Lintahlo
4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding review. I’m a bass junkie haha not gonna lie.
@tazoriginal
3 жыл бұрын
Did you ever go back and compare them to the SB 16 ULTRAs?
@cumpanyun
4 жыл бұрын
Might be interesting to hook the Rels to the mains (L/R), set mains to full range and setup the pb16 as an LFE channel only. Might be best of both worlds?
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
There's no high pass on these.
@totalplonker824
3 жыл бұрын
Premium subwoofer with an average finish... it would be nice to have the option to able to pay the extra and have it premium all over!
@brucecarter6205
4 жыл бұрын
Rated at -6dB at 21Hz. Ouch! Solid output to 20Hz is a must for HT use imo. Good review though.
@xanderguldie
4 жыл бұрын
That's what you get with a sealed box. I think these are more musical
@jdm724
4 жыл бұрын
Another spec freak
@notagunfreak8146
4 жыл бұрын
@@jdm724 Specs almost telll you anything especially with a frequency curve.
@cocosloan3748
3 жыл бұрын
Light strong cone ? Compression box? Right on ! Dynaudio guys arent stupid for practicing that 70 years..
@jamesoneill5810
4 жыл бұрын
At long last... and l am going to agree with your review l have just one Ht1508 plus a Rel T9i it's a great combo with my LX904 receiver and Kef 301s,7/2/4 the T9I works better alone with my music from my Lx500 player..l only use both rels for 4k disc playback, l only have a smallish room 25 sq yards so l cant fit in large floor standing speakers and the Rel subs are a class act fast and furious shall we say lol here in the UK most av enthusiasts cant/wont accommodate subs the size of the PB SVS subs...as we have smaller rooms than you have in the states,as for the overall aesthetics of the Ht1508....l like it...its a far more attractive looking sub than any SVS sub...mainly due to its overall design and size....Also SVS subs dont sell too well here in the UK due their size and design.side note there is also another KZitemr who has done a thorough review of the Ht1508's Persuit Perfect System...he loves the Rel Ht1508 and he's high end audiophile and a Av fan like yourself
@therealshanelee
4 жыл бұрын
Yes I've seen his review. Very good.
@TheWidowMaker.
4 жыл бұрын
I'm torn between a T9I or their HT sub.. Basically I want my music to be good but I don't want to lose out on the low end either, if you did 50/50 music to movies what sub would you rather keep?
@cyberathlete
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWidowMaker. 1508
@jkairi4
4 жыл бұрын
Can you say the point of diminishing returns.
@makkkk4444
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the assessment. You mentioned the Rel sub would not produce the subsonic "feel" as the svs 16 ultras would. Would that be somewhat dependent on room size? Could the Rel produce those tactile low frequencies and be detectable in a much smaller room (600 sqft)?
@cyberathlete
3 жыл бұрын
It has more to do with how low these can dig into the lower frequencies. The PB-16 are rated -3dB at 13Hz (extended mode) vs the REL which is -6dB at 21Hz. You can see that is a HUGE difference in their low end capabilities. The REL can't really play anything below 20 Hz from what I've gathered. A smaller room won't fix that.
@robg8963
4 жыл бұрын
I wish REL didn't use -6 db for their specs and marketing. The -3 db standard seems better, and more revealing, and a lot of their competition publishes on that scale. I've heard REL and know they are good so their spec marketing approach is a bit disappointing. Otherwise maybe perfect for music since most content is above 30hz?
@cyberathlete
3 жыл бұрын
If they had to use -3dB then that would prob be around 24 or 25Hz. AND most folks prob miss the -6 part out anyway and just see this as a sub that can play at 20Hz. Plus salesmen never ever mention the -6dB and will sell this sub as one that can go down to 20Hz. At $1800 it will look really bad that at -3dB this is a 24Hz sub when others are 18 or lower. You see how bad that looks when you want to make a sale? I have this sub as well and to me it does miss out on the lowest of frequencies that my Depth i do not. The 3-4 Hz difference can be felt. I've spent 6 years with my Depth i and a a couple of hours with the REL. I can tell what's missing. It's slight but it's there.
@nitinkanchan5294
2 жыл бұрын
@@cyberathlete I had the SVS PC 2000 and now have the Rel HT 1508. Both are great subs with what they do and I liked both. With the Rel you do enjoy music more and honestly speaking never felt that I missed the low end part of it. Both are great companies .
@cyberathlete
2 жыл бұрын
@@nitinkanchan5294 For movies I missed the lowest octaves. For music it's fine, but they make other subs for music. These are mainly for movies so for that purpose getting those lowest octaves is important. It is very clean though. The bass is not bloated or boomy.
@nitinkanchan5294
2 жыл бұрын
@@cyberathlete true to that as there are few movies with lower frequencies than 20 hz. But there is a lot of content above 20 hz where this sub shines especially in John wick 3, Underwater and the recent Terminator movie, Dark fate. Bass was clean and chest hitting. Barring a few movies, this sub does a steller job for most of the movies relative to the room size. For people who want a good balance for movies and music, Rel 1508 is a very good subwoofer.
@cyberathlete
2 жыл бұрын
@@nitinkanchan5294 I never said HT1508 is a bad subwoofer but I don't like how REL markets their subs. Also if most movies don't go below 20Hz, why do all subs sound different, and those that go lower hit harder and have more chest thumping and bass going through you. Even though most music doesn't go below 30Hz, my subs that can go to 18Hz make the music sound better, and they absolutely sound deeper and different than subs that are only able to go as low as 28Hz. I own 8 different subs in the house. I had the 1508 for a month as well before I returned them. The subs that go lower than 20Hz, will always tell you they are playing lower than other subs no matter what you watch. Quality is a different thing altogether. Just because a car can hit 0-60 in 3.0 seconds, only talks about speed, does not give full picture of quality of the ride and the interior. Same for sub, quality of bass has to be there with the low Hz for manufacturers to charge good money. RT1508 is not an $1800 sub in my books.
@kenzo06ful
4 жыл бұрын
Hi you hade the Arendal sub2 in for a rewiue a while back, How do you feel the Arendal sub2 and the rel's are against each other and also Arendal sub2 vs svs sb3000..? "For movies..?"
@Zoranurai13
4 жыл бұрын
I can’t really comment on the sub 2, but i’ve got the sub 1.5 after trying out svs, klipsch and some other brands. The arendal absolutely kicked the living sht out of the others in terms of control of low bass
@kenzo06ful
4 жыл бұрын
@@Zoranurai13 wich svs sub did you have..?
@Zoranurai13
4 жыл бұрын
Peter J pb2000 and heard the pb13 ultra as well. Arendal still won
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