January 14, 2022 Lionel announced discontinuing the #990 and #993 Legacy Controller and announced a new Cab 3 Base with Cab 3 APP. The Cab3 APP runs on Android or IOS, phones or tablets. It also supports existing Cab 1, Cab 1L and Cab 2 units; and the Cab1L will remain in production. More details to be shared, plus check out the front of the new catalog. We expect the Cab3 Base this summer. If you have a #990 or #993 on order with us, we will convert that order to the Cab 3 Base and maintain your spot in line.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
The announcement is really exciting. I cant wait to see the unit in action.
@OgaugeTrainsplusslotCars
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing 👍
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely welcome. I appreciate you watching and being a part of the community.
@FLRailroaddog
2 жыл бұрын
Awesomeness there! Thanks Wally for the update👍, Jorge gonna be mad u left him out of the big announcement 😂
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, he is going to be mad. :-) I will let him make the next 10 LOL. Thanks for watching.
@robertnielsen2461
2 жыл бұрын
As one who has watched this hobby advance since the very early fifties I have watched this hobby grow from toggle switches and/ power packs or transformers to today's high tech systems how fortunate today's operaters are.What's next?
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, the tech is great. The fun part of the hobby is that there is a place for the old tech of the 50s and the new tech as well. It is all great fun.
@doct0rnic
2 жыл бұрын
this is great news I hope, I am currently in the plans to build a conventional layout, however I purchased a station sounds diner car, I was looking for a legacy remote to use all of the features of the station sounds diner car, now I still might be able to using this new system instead, and be able to purchase command control locomotives in the future.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
This new system just might be the trick for you. The previous Legacy system has gotten rather pricey recently. I hope it works out for you. Thanks for watching.
@radarditti560
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
You bet!!! It was fun to talk about. I appreciate you watching the video and taking the time to comment.
@douglasschultz9808
2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully it’s DCS compatible. I know with DCS you can run some Lionel TMCC engines
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Me too. We run TMCC and Legacy through DCS and can run everything. That said, that was a huge monetary investment. Streamlining it through a new Lionel system would be perfect. Thanks for watching.
@cathrynm
2 жыл бұрын
My father's layout is still on Cab-1/Base-1/TMCC. Maybe can skip Cab-2 and go to Base3? The Cab-1 hopefully still works with that if I want a physical remote.
@cathrynm
2 жыл бұрын
Confess, for me, I am into the 'electronics thing' a little so I don't mind getting everything connected. But I work with iPhone all day with my day job, so touching a phone app kind of feels like 'more work.' We'll see. Not a high priority this point. Would prefer a WIndows app, tbh.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
OG George is no the TMCC cab-1 system as well. I actually think that going to a smart device for operations will be too much for him. You are right, we are on phones and computers so much. I just worry that as Lionel goes forward they make things backward compatible. I think they will, but we will have to wait and see. Thanks for watching the video.
@MartyE
2 жыл бұрын
Hardly breaking if you read the forums but still interesting. I'll be waiting to get the "whole" story from the Lionel folks. There has been way too much guessing and speculation on the forums and KZitem. I can see the other comments are already getting their undies in a bunch without getting all the facts.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I hope the announcement from Lionel comes out soon too. I hear this Friday. But of course, that is just speculation too. Funny you say it is not breaking news. I told my son George about it after he came home from school (thinking I was going to be telling him big news). He said, "oh, the system that looks like the Hell Gate Bridge?" George already knew too. LOL Thanks for watching.
@MartyE
2 жыл бұрын
@@GfwTrains kids always know more than their parents. LOL!
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
@@MartyE yes they do LOL
@northpennvalleysteamrailroad
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!!
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
It was big news that I wanted to get out there. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@jodysmith8048
2 жыл бұрын
I also wounder if this new system will be backwards compatible with the current Lionel systems that are available because I think it would be a smart move on Lionel's part if it is an it would be smart if this system is able to be used with other manufacturers locomotives and not just be proprietary to just Lionel's locomotives
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I hope that the new system will operate with the older systems. I agree as well that it would be a smart move on Lionel's part. Unfortunately, I do not think you will ever see a system that will combine the operating systems of Lionel and MTH. That said, I do have my Legacy and DCS operating together and can use both. Lets see what happens with the announcement. Thanks for watching.
@robertthompson8802
2 жыл бұрын
@@GfwTrains It was MTH that prevented a standardized O Gauge operating system 20+ years ago. A shame, really. And, when Legacy was brought out - with the specific name "Legacy" - it operated all previous Lionel systems. With the advent of B/T, apps, wi-fi, and LionChief lcos, there was a need for Lionel to bring it all into the tent, Looks like they have done so. We'll find out soon enough. Looks like, though, that the Legacy remote will operate the new "Cab-3". We'll know soon ....
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
@@robertthompson8802 the operating system looks good, doesn't it?
@Catnuts911
2 жыл бұрын
If I had to guess, I bet this will be featured in the new Catalog.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I think you are right. I know the announcement for it will be coming soon. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@NixCrossing
2 жыл бұрын
Should I trust the “Hell Gate” bridge to run my layout 🤔
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha!!! Too funny. I actually think it has a kind of neat look to it. What do you think. Thanks for watching.
@NixCrossing
2 жыл бұрын
@@GfwTrains I think it’s cool too! 🚂💨 I just hope it works and lasts 🚂💨
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
@@NixCrossing yeah, I bet it will. The tech is there.
@steveashcraft718
2 жыл бұрын
What upsets me that you won't be able to buy a cab2 remote. I have no desire to run trains from a phone. If you drop and break your cab2 remote your screwed.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is definitely a drawback. It seems the way of the future though with everything being operated on smart devices. Thanks for watching.
@randallellison6421
2 жыл бұрын
This is wild stuff Wally, like it or not (and I do like adapting new tech into model trains by the way), this IS the future of train control and don't be surprised if we start hearing about the use of virtual reality systems being integrated with model railroading say within the next 5 to 10 years. That being said, I do hope they don't abandon users of conventional train control systems anytime soon because there's still alot of them out there!
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
It is cutting edge. I agree, I hope people do not shy away from conventional operation. Thanks as always for watching.
@franktino6676
2 жыл бұрын
Lionel announced discontinuing the #990 and #993 Legacy Controller and announced a new Cab 3 Base with Cab 3 APP. The Cab3 APP runs on Android or IOS, phones or tablets. It also supports existing Cab 1, Cab 1L and Cab 2 units; and the Cab1L will remain in production. More details to be shared, plus check out the front of the new catalog. We expect the Cab3 Base this summer. If you have a #990 or #993 on order with us, we will convert that order to the Cab 3 Base and maintain your spot in line.
@randallellison6421
2 жыл бұрын
@@franktino6676 ok very cool! Alot of the guys in the club I'm in are Lionel guys, so this will be very useful info, thanks!
@franktino6676
2 жыл бұрын
@@randallellison6421 You are welcome, Randall!!
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
@@franktino6676 appreciate the input
@charlesmorehouse276
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know everything about command control so this might sound dumb. but I wonder if you could use your current cab2 remotes with this new base.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know yet either. Hopefully it will work with a cab 2 remote. We will see when the announcement is made. Thanks for watching.
@larrywolf2417
2 жыл бұрын
@@GfwTrains yes you can and cab 1 l also
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
@@larrywolf2417 very cool!
@MilwaukeeRoadJames
2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome but I'd rather run trains without looking at my phone. Good ol CAB2 or CAB1.... or just a good ol ZW... and you can't ZW with an app, BECAUSE THATS HOW YOU ZW!!!
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
YES!!! That is how you ZW!!! Thanks for watching. We are getting together to run trains this weekend. Please stay in touch with George about it. You are invited, of course.
@MilwaukeeRoadJames
2 жыл бұрын
@@GfwTrains I have Friday off. I can come for FAST FRIDAY if y'all want
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
We have another guest coming this Friday, sorry. I think it would be good to have on another time though.
@MilwaukeeRoadJames
2 жыл бұрын
@@GfwTrains nah, you're good. I would like to come this weekend though
@Sparky_307
2 жыл бұрын
This new tech is top notch and I can’t wait to see it in action. Sadly I won’t be able to enjoy the since cord awesomeness since I use Atlas track lol. The only “issue” I have with this is the fact that you have to have a dedicated smart device to use this. I’m hoping you can still use the Legacy remote with this, I’d hate to be running my trains and get a phone call! That could turn into an Adam’s Family situation quick, fast, and in a hurry lol.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I cant wait to see in action too. we will see how traditional remotes and a smart device are integrated into the system. Yup, cant go Gomez Addams now. LOL. Thanks for watching.
@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah guys heard about it already… APP CONTROL SUCKS!!! As long as they don’t use this garbage to replace the Cab-2. If they do, I will no longer purchase any new high end Lionel. In fact Wally and George, I’m refraining my purchase of my 2-10-10-2 until Lionel confirms. If this is the direction they’re going, I’m done.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I am hoping that that Lionel makes sure that the older control systems can continue to function the equipment they produce going forward. Like you I have money invested in the Legacy remote system. I would be upset if the future equipment would not operate on TMCC and Legacy. At this point, I do not have any Bluetooth equipment. I could see the line going to Bluetooth and not equipping future locomotives with the electronics necessary to run TMCC or Legacy. Thanks for watching.
@moobutt
2 жыл бұрын
I keep hoping that the news is gonna be that they’re gonna start making their trains in America again 😩. I’ll just stick with vintage American made stuff.
@GfwTrains
Жыл бұрын
Not sure trains madden the USA is going to happen any time soon. That said, you are right, there sure is a bunch of good stuff vintage from the USA to collect. Thanks for watching.
@therosejewelrailroad489
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I like the idea of just running power to the track and Then I don’t need to wire up any switches and etc. I like the idea of controlling everything including lion chief with just one system. My only concern is? How do I run conventional locomotives? Maybe Lionel has thought of that. Going to be fun to see this concept in operation. Thanks for digging this information up Wally.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I like the idea of running it all with one system. I agree on your conventional operational concern. It will be more fun to hear more information about the project as it comes out. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
@ferrark1
2 жыл бұрын
Very cool thanks for the info
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, it is good stuff! I cant wait for the operating system to come out.
@BearCreekWoodworking
2 жыл бұрын
Well it’s about time Lionel developed a central command system. This is long over due. I wish Lionel would offer a new remote for the Cab 3. Thanks for the update Wally! 🚂👍😃
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I would rather use a remote than an app. We have both available for use with the YES railroad and use remotes 98% of the time over smart devices. It sounds like it will be the future of the way Lionel will be going though. Thanks for watching the video.
@FordEnthusiast413
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds cool Wally! Thanks for the info!!
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
You bet! I cant wait to see it in operation. Thanks for watching.
@VintageRenewed
2 жыл бұрын
I guess it’s cool It would definitely be nice for those who run modern stuff For me to completely get excited about a new system would be if they made it also useable with postwar stuff, like a throttle on the app does the same as moving the lever on a zw a function button does the same as an accessory button does When someone releases a way to where you could easily use the system for a conventional layout but then flip a switch, change engines and thus be in command control That is when I’d be excited
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
That would be a cool feature. We run conventional stuff on our layout through our remote or smart phone. There are ways. That said,, I hope this system brings it all together under one "master" way. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@jebbthetrainkid1281
2 жыл бұрын
Me and Jebb are Old Fashioned and choose to set around our Train Layout and Run Conventional with our Transformers. We dont really need all this Hi-Tek expensive stuff. We arent crazy about all the Cab to Tower Talk. We just like to run Trains. To us they are just Toys and something we have fun doing together. So I'll definitely pass on this. But Thanks for giving out some good info for those who choose to purchase it Wally. Have a Great Week and Stay Warm. Matt and Jebb
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I certainly understand that conventional will always have its place. I also agree that it is certainly enjoyable to run. You guys stay warm as well. Thanks so much for watching the video and taking the time to comment.
@franklinrails8662
2 жыл бұрын
Great intel Wally ,It Looks like I might have to save a little bit more money now if I'm going to get the "A". And use the added feature. This is the locomotive I'm planning to use for the introduction of the N&W to the Pennsylvania stronghold that is Crossed Anchors Railroads...at least till I finish my Train room remodel.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
That Class A is a beautiful engine. If you do not have an operating system, this is most definitely the place to start. Even if you are not starting, it might be the future of operations for Lionel trains and you will be at the cutting edge of it. Thanks for watching.
@markslioneltrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Intel. Figures since I recently purchased CAB-2. Mark
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I think you will be alright. There is something to be said to have an in hand remote instead of an app on your phone. I appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment.
@TrainmasterGT
2 жыл бұрын
I hope there aren’t functions being lost if other than Mobile Phone control and 4-Digit Numbers if I decide not to upgrade to the Base3-Cab3 App system. I really do not want to spend a few hundred bucks on another command system when my Legacy Command System still works wonders.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I hope that they will make the engines so that they will be operable on TMCC and Legacy. If I had to guess, they are going to move to all Bluetooth one day and leave the electronics necessary to run on TMCC or Legacy out of the locomotive. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@105C09
2 жыл бұрын
It does not impress me. Since half the system is tied into your phone, the cost is not justified and it seems to be just a network hub. Sounds great until it malfunctions. What kind of repair service will be available? Will there be spare electronics in 4-5 years? This seems to be, no pun, a hybrid bridge to something else, more compact and hopefully will include a USEFUL set of features, other than an expanded numerical designator. Here's something innovative. With further generation electronics, the price goes down not through the roof such as this and their engine product line of 2022. I get a nosebleed every time I look at the Cab 3 and legacy locomotive prices.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
The prices have gone through the moon. It will only get worse now that there is less competition with Lionel. I do not like that it is tied to your phone either. I do like the usefulness of it though, but it does come at a significant cost. I bought the LCS Wifi and quite frankly the product had some to be desired. That said, I like your ideas of innovation. Thanks for watching.
@williamkolina3988
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know you were a spy😂🐵🙉😂
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
LOL, I am a man of many talents. Thanks for watching.
@jimmytrains
2 жыл бұрын
It would be cool if it also controlled protosounds locos!
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I would love it if there was an operating system that could control everything from Lionel and MTH. Thanks for watching.
@northpennvalleysteamrailroad
2 жыл бұрын
Protosound 1 locomotives maybe. But never DCS locomotives. Lionel is not good enough for that.
@ricko3242
2 жыл бұрын
The Legacy handheld is the ONLY handheld in model railroading in any guage that allows one to operate main train functions without ever looking at the remote. It will be missed. Running trains allows me to put my **** phone down. Don't we all have too much screen time anyways? : ) Phones, Ipads, etc force one to spend half the time looking at the screen to find and select features. Additionally, these devices do not offer the operating finesse for precise switching operations. Enjoy, the new technology. I just grabbed a 993 so i have an extra "train controller" before they're gone.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I agree and like to use the remote control instead of a phone. I bought Lionel's 1st control system that is integrated into a smart device and was disappointed. Things have come a long way though and I will probably end up giving the new system a try though. Like you, however, I will not give up my remotes :-) Thanks for watching.
@steveashcraft718
2 жыл бұрын
Your lucky you got one. I was going to buy a second for a spare until I saw what they're getting for those. Don't wanna pay that much for something that Lionel probably won't repair.
@ricko3242
2 жыл бұрын
@@steveashcraft718 mine unit is probably a decade old. Still running 1.4 software but it works fine. I actually grabbed a 993 off of amazon for a good price last week. A few days before the formal announcement of the discontinuation.
@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204
2 жыл бұрын
Good video
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. I hope you are well. See ya around the roundhouse.
@jodysmith8048
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if Lionel sets the price so high that everyone has to take out a ransom just to have it because we've seen Lionel at times set the prices on sets an locomotives to where they don't even get enough pre-orders to warrant them producing a certain locomotive or a certain set because they had set their prices on those certain sets or locomotives so high so with that being said Lionel has got to get the price just right if they want to make this a success
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I agree,, I sure hope that the price point for the control system is reasonable. I cant complain about the prices of the Legacy or the TMCC system. In a perfect world, it will align with that. Also, the new operating system will not have the cost of the remote piece when it comes to production. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment.
@jodysmith8048
2 жыл бұрын
@@GfwTrains your very welcom
@appleorangeline
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds interesting Wally! Thanks for the breaking news and info. I have absolutely no clue about anything beyond a simple, conventional transformer. I've been trying to figure out how I will approach learning about TMCC, Legacy, DCS, etc.. so I can figure out what to use on my future layout. I would like to buy new trains in addition to running my old stuff. Will this solve all of that or make it more complicated? 🤯
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I can not tell you if it will make it simpler or complicated yet. I can tell you I have a lot of new stuff, but I do not have any bluetooth trains and only 1 Lionchief remote set. I am going to hang tight with what I have for right now. Let me know if you need help with your remote questions as you formulate your plans for your layout. Thanks for watching the video.
@appleorangeline
2 жыл бұрын
@@GfwTrains Cool. It will be interesting to see how this turns out. What system do you run today? Thanks for your offer, I'll need mucho advice when I start my layout.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
@@appleorangeline we have all of the systems on out layout. A bit overkill, I know, but I like that kind of thing. We have TMCC, Legacy, Lionel LCS Wifi, MTH DCS, and DCS Wifi as well. :-)
@appleorangeline
2 жыл бұрын
@@GfwTrains Do you have a favorite?
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
@@appleorangeline I really like the simplicity of the Lionel TMCC and/or Legacy. We also tend to use the remotes more than using smart devices, too.
@1800clyde
2 жыл бұрын
Wally, yer a Sleuth 🕵️♀️ Scooper or a Scoop Sleuther . . . either way: that’s some breaking news right there. It would be awesome if all controllers and voice control could be utilized with the Base 3 acting as the utilitarian ‘hub.’ Train 🚂 modeling onward into the Metaverse; who would’ve thunk it 🤔
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, a sleuth...LOL. I like your super alternate universe where all trains could be operated with one system. To the Metaverse... Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. It is good to see you again.
@penrodautorepair3170
2 жыл бұрын
The real question will be is will the Bluetooth side of this system only allow you to run 4 blue tooth engines. An will it also allow you to run conventional engines to
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Good question. Hopefully the answer will be YES! We will see. Thanks for watching the video and taking the time to comment.
@chrislambert5249
2 жыл бұрын
Exciting news..Thanks Wally. With the end of MTH it looks like Lional wants to attract new customers and simplify train operations. To to he new comer like me it can get very confusing with all the different control systems. It is like Lional brought them all under one roof. Thank you 😊
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, all of the different control systems are confusing. Hopefully, like you say, this will simplify a lot of it. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@joatmon-src
2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean the End of MTH they are still in business Atlas is producing equipment with PS3 they are not out of business...... I wished people stop saying that.
@wallywerderich5631
2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t this interesting stuff?
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
yep, good stuff!
@steve87thpsap
2 жыл бұрын
Look at you shopping the news.
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
:-) I was on OGR and they were talking a bit about it, so I had to find more info. When I did, a lightbulb went off in my head...A VIDEO!!! Thanks for watching.
@realtoytrains
2 жыл бұрын
I see someone has finally jumped on my bandwagon!! Great review Wally I’d say you are the second video behind ours. kzitem.info/news/bejne/ommdv4B7fIB6oX4 I hope Lionel doesn’t get mad at us (kidding)
@GfwTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it is a good scoop!!! Yes, I jumped on the bandwagon after finding out the info. Looks like you were the first on the news for sure (lthough I did not see your video until today...sorry). I love your video and moreover, I love your channel. I would love to have you one a GFW Trains livestream one day.
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