What I liked about Skylake chips is that they ran cooler, sipped less power, had full support for Gen 3 NVMe SSDs and the top chipset DMI bandwidth was doubled.
@CarbonPhoenix96
Ай бұрын
There were some motherboards that allowed nvme drives on ivy bridge
@kingeling
Ай бұрын
@@CarbonPhoenix96 It can always be patched as part of UEFI anyways
@Lurch-Bot
Ай бұрын
A 35W 4690S will run cooler than a 65W 6500 and perform virtually identically. The Haswell chip has a slightly higher single thread score. I'd take DDR3-1600 over DDR4-2133 any day of the week because it will perform better.
@AlfaPro1337
Ай бұрын
Except, m.2 is still routed from the PCH, until 11th gen with 500 series board. The reason Skylake ran cooler, because Intel moved back the VRM away from the CPU to the mobo.
@blakecasimir
Ай бұрын
Yup, very much the peak of Intel's languishing lazy quad core era. They had no competition so why bother? CPU perf really wasn't that much better than Haswell. GPU was improved though for sure. Intel DID make pretty big gains in efficiency for Skylake though, they idle at much lower wattage than Haswell.
@AshWeinstein
Ай бұрын
Yeah wasn't FX around at this time? A non overclocked FX could easily be beaten by a decent i3.
@gerardw.7468
Ай бұрын
@@AshWeinsteinThat was really the only thing going for amd at the time. i5 and above, Intel had literally no competition. And by the time of Skylake, I'm not even sure pile-driver "6" core processors really competed much compared to the much high IPC performance of Skylake.
@gerardw.7468
Ай бұрын
I remember this. Honestly, the Intel HD improvements were probably the only thing the Skylake architecture had going for it, as this made it a decent option for a htpc or home productivity computer without that big compromise that comes with the lack of a dedicated graphics card. Otherwise, there wasn't much reason to upgrade, if one was running sandy bridge or later.
@Compact-Disc_700mb
Ай бұрын
I have a i5 4570 and had an i5 6400 for a little while. The i5 4570 has dual channel ddr3 and the i5 6400 had single channel ddr4 so it weirdly evened out. In my experience the CPU performance was about the same between them, and the GPU was also very similar. but I think that with dual channel DDR4 the iGPU would much better, because in your tests it seemed very similar to what I remember of the 6400 with single channel DDR4. It would interesting to see how RAM type, speed and dual channel memory would affect performance. Anyway good video!
@nvidiaplay
Ай бұрын
As far as i remember it was said that skylake series didn't rly provide great performance boost (tbh it was a disappointment after the great Broadwell series cpus) except maybe for gaming king 7700K - but for a time they were pretty energy efficient at least
@Lurch-Bot
Ай бұрын
A 4690 matches the performance of the 6500. DDR3-1600 will almost always perform better than DDR4-2133, which is the max speed for Skylake. A comparison between an IVB CPU and a Skylake CPU is unfair because the IVB CPU didn't support AVX2. This may be why BeamNG wouldn't load. Also, if you are running either on integrated graphics, just know you can get a Dell OEM R7 250 for about $12 these days which beats the Skylake iGPU by about 35%.
@Compact-Disc_700mb
Ай бұрын
@@nvidiaplay yeah I have found skylake to be pretty mediocre. The performance is still fine, but I still use a core 2 duo regularly so I am not picky about performance.
@Compact-Disc_700mb
Ай бұрын
@@Lurch-Bot Cool, I did not know that DDR3-1600 is better than DDR4-2133, but it does make sense.
@nvidiaplay
Ай бұрын
@@Compact-Disc_700mb yeah but for me personally it was biggest issue when gaming - because if you are gpu bottlenecked there are a lot of solutions like fsr,or even apps like lossless scaling,even nvidia profile inspector changes can improve fps sometimes if you know what to do - but with cpus the problem is if you can't overlclock you just cant do much to improve performance at all with the exceptions of some minor fixes that provide minor improvement at best EDIT - currently i'm sitting on ryzen 5 5500 (from it 6500) and gtx 1060 6 gb and obviously im gpu bottlenecked but most games i play support some sort of upscaling so i just lower settings and it kinda works so far (not for long tho because i se the trend with new games like bellwright - they have increased gpu requirements so much that even having fsr set to ultra performance will give me 35-40 fps at best)
@ShinmenTakezoVgbnd
Ай бұрын
For some reason i kinda enjoy this type of video
@jims_junk
Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@ChrisP872
Ай бұрын
During the early core i years Intel was so far ahead of AMD that they gave poor improved performance each generation. Only after Ryzen was released did intel step up their game.
@AshWeinstein
Ай бұрын
Don't say that to an FX person. To them nothing beat an FX
@marioloncar2169
Ай бұрын
@@AshWeinsteinyeah! My fx 8320 rulez 💪
@gerardw.7468
Ай бұрын
Faildozer fans just can't handle the truth, prefer to stick their heads in sand. Or should I say, under the SANDY BRIDGE. LOL.
@itstheweirdguy
Ай бұрын
IGP's are really complicated and interesting. In all my experience though, anyone who is even nearly a computer enthusiast, will enjoy the extra performance of a dedicated display board with it's own memory, and outputs, etc etc. But if you aren't an enthusiast using the IGP isn't so bad. I don't know what's next that would make a Skylake not good enough for web browsing, the imaginary future 3d generative AI augmented reality experience we keep being promised? Who knows. In day to day use the Ivy Bridge iGPU has an older direct x version and less decoding features, the 4th gen Haswell IGP is much more relevant today, though I do have a i7 3770 at home with a nvidia gt 710 installed to keep it running strong.
@notaulgoodman9732
Ай бұрын
now do 6th vs 12th gen
@blebekblebek
Ай бұрын
Not much differences, those era when Intel is at their peak releasing quad core for their highest tier. I bought i5 6400 back in 2018, the performance very underwhelming compared to my old i5 2500, I sold it almost immediately. With the price of the same unit I probably could get 2/3 of old i5 (used ofcourse). Specially if you already using i7 from 2nd/3rd gen you can get away till almost to 12th gen just by upgrading your GPU, I mean I do, just upgraded from e3 1230 to R5 7600 instead of another intel.
@infinity2z3r07
Ай бұрын
skylake temp is much improved. i seem to remember ivy bridge was known for very bad (cheap) TIM between die and heatspreader
@evila9076
Ай бұрын
no wonder that ivy bridge i3 i had maxed at 70-80c during load.
@Lurch-Bot
Ай бұрын
A 4690S (35W) CPU matches the performance of a 6500 (65W). IVB isn't a fair test because it doesn't support AVX2, which is very relevant for gaming these days and is likely the reason BeamNG didn't launch on the IVB CPU. I used i5-3570S CPUs to build mining rigs during the boom. I had several single GPU rigs with those CPUs on Lenovo non-proprietary mATX motherboards. I mined on the CPUs too and even at 100%, they never exceeded 70C with an ambient temp of 82C and cheap Thermaltake CPU coolers that aren't much better than the stock ones.
@bennybouken
Ай бұрын
my i5 3570k only maxed out at 70c at full load
@evila9076
Ай бұрын
@@bennybouken stock cooler? mine used to get to 70-80c during summer only winter used to be 65-75c
@bennybouken
Ай бұрын
@@evila9076 with a $10 cooler
@AnonyDave
Ай бұрын
Strangely I've i5-6500T's in both ddr3 and ddr4 systems (accidentally bought a too low end dell), I would benchmark them but they're both being used for just compiling shit when I need to so it'd be a pain
@deadmandying6234
Ай бұрын
I'd be interested to see how haswell compares to skylake
@Lurch-Bot
Ай бұрын
That would be the fair comparison. Spoiler alert: an i5-4690S matches the multi-thread performance of the i5-6500, slightly exceeds the single thread score and uses way less power. DDR3-1600 will beat DDR4-2133. You can get an M.2 slot with Haswell on a Z97 board. I just bought a Z87 board for $25. The Z97 board could be had for the same money as an H170 MB for a Skylake CPU and will be far better featured. Haswell is USB Gen 3.1 compatible - 5Gbps. A H170MB won't do any better.
@andrijapulisak9721
Ай бұрын
Try i5 3570k non oc vs i5 6500, because 3570k had HD 4000 and 3570 had hd 2500 which is slower than hd 3000.
@amdintelxsniperx
Ай бұрын
then you get cpus like the weird mobile ones in the haswell line up with iris 128mb l4 cache through the 5775c which igpus mopped the floor with both these lol
@SIPEROTH
Ай бұрын
I think those were Broadwell not Haswell.
@Mr.1.i
Ай бұрын
There will be some clot pairing the 3570 with a gtx1050 and flogging it for £300
@jims_junk
Ай бұрын
Sorta did that here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/u46ctoSahXeSZag but with a 1650
@Aruneh
Ай бұрын
I upgraded from a 3550 to a 6600 back when it came out. It felt like a decent boost back then, so I'd like to see a comparisons running DDR4 to see how much of the difference came from that.
@Lurch-Bot
Ай бұрын
DDR3-1600 will outperform DDR4-2133. Hell, I've seen DDR-1600 beat some cheap DDR4-3000. This is because a new version of DDR isn't magic. They might double the speed eventually but they are also doubling the clock latency. Theoretically, DDR3-1600 CL8 is the same bandwidth as DDR4-3200 CL16 and the same bandwidth as DDR5-6400 CL32.
@AshWeinstein
Ай бұрын
I'd like to see that too
@AntiGrieferGames
Ай бұрын
4:15 please use the original crysis benchmark at next time, as this one is a remastered version instead the original 2007 version. 2007 Crysis works better on that than the 2020 remaster version.
@AshWeinstein
Ай бұрын
Why though. I thought the point was to push the cpu or whatever to its limits. Yeah it might not run as well, but that's because its being worked harder.
@AntiGrieferGames
Ай бұрын
@@AshWeinstein While Original Crysis uses simply one or 2 cores, its something a better benchmark for those cpus instead the remastered.
@Super123456789Kuba
Ай бұрын
Ivy Bridge iGPU is quite decent with old games from Windows XP Era, but I remember Running LEGO Indiana Jones 2 at decent Framerates at (IIRC) 1280x1024. But also Skylake kinda was a meh generation of CPUs, didn't do that better than the previous generations (Except the Power it needed to run) but that iGPU is certainly a step up.
@Lurch-Bot
Ай бұрын
Or you can shell out $12 for a Dell OEM R7 250 and play COD2 at 1080p60. I got something like 85 fps with an R7 250 and overclocked Core 2 Quad with Crysis at 900p Ultra.
@martinkoyle
Ай бұрын
@@Lurch-Bot Yeah exactly we all know that, this is more of what CAN it do on its own.
@nvidiaplay
Ай бұрын
@JimsJunk - any chance we see any broadwell cpu on your channel?
@jims_junk
Ай бұрын
Rebuilding my collection, so sure, if/when I come across one I'll do a bench of it.
@Lurch-Bot
Ай бұрын
I have a Broadwell laptop which is one of those literal frauds of a CPU - dual core i7. Broadwell was mostly for laptops and Xeons. An abortion of a generation, really. Slight die shrink of Haswell and totally worth skipping, with the exception of the E5-1600 series Xeon hexacore CPUs which can make for a decent budget gaming CPU. The E5-1650 v4 is quite similar in performance to the Ryzen 2600 and is still a viable budget gaming CPU, a decade after launch.
@SIPEROTH
Ай бұрын
@@Lurch-Bot Didn't Boadwell had the Iris Pro iGPU though that was actually quite a lot better than the 530 on Skylake? I think i heard some people say that if you got a Broadwell you got the best iGPU Intel made until recently.
@vjnobody
Ай бұрын
I'm not understanding this graph at the end. Are these compares between the RX550 running on the 6500 or the 3570? Labelling is not clear.
@jims_junk
Ай бұрын
Was tested under the 6500, however the reason I didn't mention that was because its only there as a reference point. The 550 would have a very similar score under the 3570. If I show results that are not tested with the same cpu, I'll mention it.
@nvidiaplay
Ай бұрын
i had i5 6500 and was getting rly frustrated with cpu performance because online games like tarkov had that weird fps drops from 80 to 45 suddenly,never used its igpu tho - surprised that it can actually play some indie games so maybe not completely worthless now
@Lurch-Bot
Ай бұрын
The era of the 4 core, non-HT CPU is over. I just built a retro rig with a Haswell i7 and a GTX670. Quad cores without HT are best left to XP/early Win 7 era gaming these days. I have a bunch of I5 3570S CPUs and compatible (non-proprietary) Lenovo mATX boards for them and I am struggling to find a use for them. I use a C2X CPU and 7800GTX for XP gaming thru about 2006 (and many 9x games) and the aforementioned rig for newer games. It runs Window 10 so I use it to play all my older Steam and Epic games, along with some indie titles. I have multiple Pentium/MMX/PIII/P4 rigs for older games, along with a 486 and 386SX for even older games. I also have 2 PMMX laptops running 98, a P4 laptop running XP and an IVB i7 laptop running 7.
@ChrisP872
Ай бұрын
An RX 550 is 3 times faster than a GT 710 so those benchmarks where the GT710 is competitive or ahead don't make any sense. Is the Crysis one saying the iGPU is also faster than an RX 550? How could that even be possible? Lowest settings vs medium or high?
@jims_junk
Ай бұрын
Nope same settings. That's why I and others run multiple tests.
@SIPEROTH
Ай бұрын
@@jims_junk So it's just some software thing where the 550 drivers don't work well with the game while the Intel ones work very well?
@Redmage913
Ай бұрын
Could you do power comparisons at the wall as well? Idle and full workload usage during a specifically heavy task would be nice to know.
@Redmage913
Ай бұрын
I know oftentimes they’ll be close to equal, but it’d give us an idea of watts to work.
@jims_junk
Ай бұрын
Thought about that, but there's so much more to it and would be very inaccurate. You not only have different cpus but different motherboards, power supplies etc.
@Lurch-Bot
Ай бұрын
Surprised the YT censors let you use the channel name, "Jim's Junk". I know I'm not the only one thinking of genitalia. Seeing "Jim's Junk" brings back some very specific memories of sex for me. Comparing Skylake with IVB isn't fair because IVB doesn't have AVX2 support. Try again, with a Haswell CPU. 'three generations newer' doesn't mean a whole lot these days and the performance of an i5-6500 is virtually identical to that of an i5-4690. The Haswell CPU actually has about a 4% higher single thread score. I recently bought a Z87 MB for $25 but the cheapest H170 MBs on eBay are selling for $50. You might pay a couple more dollars for the Haswell CPU but Haswell is overall a better value for budget builders than Skylake. The Z97 chipset supports M.2. TL:DR There is nothing Skylake has to offer that you can't get with Haswell and the assumption that DDR4 is always better is completely wrong. Skylake only supports up to 2133 MT/s. DDR3-1600 can and will outperform this most of the time. Nobody is gonna care about the comparison of integrated graphics between Ivy Bridge and Skylake. a $12 Dell OEM R7 250 beats the 6500's HD 530 by about 35%. The UHD 630 is just a HD 530 with a 4k decoder.
@martinkoyle
Ай бұрын
How is it not fair? He made it just to see how a newer generation compares with an older, nothing wrong with that. As far as the integrated graphics, the only time I use that is on a laptop or a non gaming pc. But its still interesting to see how intel progressed through the years. "nobody is gonna care about the comparison of integrated graphics between ivy bridge and skylake"...funny cuz people are watching and I care. You've said in a bunch of comments about the $12 oem gpu...yeah no crap. Thats not the point here. Intels igpu's always sucked at 3D and this is just comparing them. As far as the comment about his channel name, um ok sure I could see that. If thats immediately where your mind went then thats on you. When I saw first saw a video from this channel and saw the name I personally thought of someone who has a lot of old computer crap....aka junk. Grow up
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