The biggest reason Ross Barnes was able to put up those numbers was because at the time, a ball that landed in fair territory and then spun foul was considered a fair ball. Barnes perfected a technique of "fair-foul" hitting that was just about impossible to defend. Barnes' numbers crashed when they changed the rule to the present rule where if it lands fair and rolls foul untouched before it reaches the base, it's foul. So the conclusion seems to be that if Barnes had played under modern rules, he would have been nothing special. That said, hitting a baseball and putting English on it can't be easy, and you can't fault a guy for exploiting a hole in the system, that hole was available for everyone else, and they didn't do it as effectively, so I'd absolutely be okay with putting Barnes in the HOF.
@antonioreconquistador
Жыл бұрын
It wasnt impossible to defend but it was rather hard against a right handed hitter or anyone who could put it at a hard angle to throw from. I get that the subjective notion of "fame" or the hall's responsibilities to commemorate players could probably skirt a guy who wasn't able to put together a long or nationally memorable career, but I don't dispute his numbers' impressiveness solely off of the era and rule difference. Itd be like ignoring willie keeler or honus wagner or billy hamilton's accomplishments out of disrespect of the Baltimore chop, or tom williamson's single season home run record because he did it in a tiny ballpark. There were times when baseball had 6, 7, 8, 9, or more balls to a walk, and pitchers were expected to throw pitches to hit to both sides or work all 9 innings every game or other. I dont think it has very much bearing on their accomplishments.
@vinceturner4589
Жыл бұрын
LOL
@unkledoda420
Жыл бұрын
You make it sound like he was doing that shit every single at bat. He was still the best hitter in the game at the time.
@sdgakatbk
Жыл бұрын
I enjoy the early days of baseball. I don't think I ever heard about Ross Barnes and it always a treat to learn something that I don't know. Excellent video.
@amihays7449
Жыл бұрын
Love hearing baseball history. Please keep it going 👏
@donwhiteley3293
Жыл бұрын
I'd heard the name, but knew next to nothing about Ross Barnes. Great video and thanks for covering a player who has been almost completely forgotten.
@SconnerStudios
Жыл бұрын
I think this type of player is going to become more and more common in the coming years and decades. With players having shorter careers and playing less and less, chances of breaking any of the all time records are decreasingly common, even milestones like the 500 home run club or 300 win club may never happen again. Even in recent memory, players like Johan Santana, Tim Lincecum, Buster Posey, Dustin Pedroia and Joe Mauer were only dominant for a few years. I just hope the Hall of Fame doesn't hold guys like them to standards of players of previous generations. 100 years from now, players who hit 200 home runs or 1000 hits might be hall material as the game gets more intense.
@TheBatugan77
11 ай бұрын
Psssh. The Hall of Fame will have to open a Wimp Wing.
@kennethhill3054
Жыл бұрын
This was a great video of an old ball player that I never heard of before and I take a great deal of pride in my knowledge of the olden days of the greatest game on earth!! My first baseball book was Lawrence Ritter's the Glory of their times,a great book that forgot about Roscoe Barnes what a shame!! There is another great book titled " I never get back" that takes into account his time in baseball without talking about Mr. Barnes!!! I like it when I learn something new! Thanks for sharing.
@kllrbee69
Жыл бұрын
Nice, I love the early history of baseball. Especially the late 1800s and very early 1900s. I wish there was more info out there about the 1890s Orioles. The first "badass" team ever with Mcgraw as the baddest of them all. Maybe do a vid about them?
@Milcom34
Жыл бұрын
Great Video, Thanks. I Study the Very Early Days of Baseball, And Yes Charles Roscoe Barnes Deserves a Spot in the Baseball HOF****
@mitchelvalentino1569
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@dougfowler1368
Жыл бұрын
Starting that early, during the amateur era, in the you could almost argue for him as a contributor and Pioneer the way a few others are. I think the short career should not matter then because Barnes wasn't really able to be in professional leagues.
@kodytiffany5686
Жыл бұрын
Ross was boss. never heard of him but glad I watched. By no means a big fan of baseball or any sport really; but I like to hear of IRL badasses regardless of why they were badasses.
@mitchelvalentino1569
Жыл бұрын
Buck Ewing says hi 👋
@Milcom34
Жыл бұрын
What a Great Catcher Buck Was***
@chrisbrown4867
Жыл бұрын
The time of the game in the box score was 3 hrs 35 minutes, was there any outcry over the length of games in the 1870s
@TheBatugan77
11 ай бұрын
In those days people didn't cotton to whiners. They generally beat them with baseball bats.
@jennyvega8
Жыл бұрын
Ross Barnes was legit!
@michaelrotter1134
Жыл бұрын
Great stuff Erik!
@adamdavis2760
Жыл бұрын
His sudden drop off in 1877 could be attributed to the the government getting tough on "strong man tonics" and over the counter "miracle potions" Yes sir its said that when he went into the General Store after that and found they onky sold his deluxe pomade....He looked like a "Dapper Dan man" but sure didn't play like one
@bobconway5958
Жыл бұрын
great piece
@adamdavis2760
Жыл бұрын
Not to take anythinng away from him but now take his career . 360 average in 9 seasons and compare it to Ty Cobb who has a career average of .366 over 24 seasons who also for his career his walk totals double his strikeouts. Highlighted in 1915 with 118 walks to 43 strike outs in 701 plate appearances giving him an OBP of .486 that year.which means he swung the bat...He has 680 strike outs for his career with over 13,000 PA crazy
@ryanmccarthy7381
Жыл бұрын
Nice job
@mariocisneros911
Жыл бұрын
The batting avg were higher because no wore gloves and the balls weren't perfect .
@andaimhineach4131
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting.
@peterb4871
Жыл бұрын
Very nice
@skylarkportraitstudio
Жыл бұрын
Interesting to find my original comment, somehow a 'hem, missing. Seems someone else 'plays ball' in even a shadier manner than old Ross did. Mr. Barnes wasn't "snubbed" at all. He isn't in the HOF simply because he doesn't deserve to be there. Mr. Cummings, on the other hand, is because he does. Ross was a drag bunt specialist. He invented nothing. Candy is credited with inventing the curveball. Mr. Stallings, though an average player, deserves his spot because the company he founded manufactured and developed much of the equipment without which the modern game wouldn't have been possible. Ross Barnes was not a great baseball player. He is where he deserves to be. Long dead and all but forgotten.
@jdwilkins2000
Жыл бұрын
Don't hold back, how do you really feel?
@skylarkportraitstudio
Жыл бұрын
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