It's got to be him, I mean what's the odds of another lad called billy the kid in the same town! LOL
@dabbayoo
8 жыл бұрын
We need more famous people like him today.
@youaresomeone3413
2 жыл бұрын
Don't need to be famous to get the job done.
@johnchevelle1831
8 жыл бұрын
So cool! It's not just Ringo but the Beatles all together. "The band".
@eduardol.4459
6 жыл бұрын
Who the fuck will by a picture for 5million dollars?
@se7ensnakes
7 жыл бұрын
I believe this photo to be genuine because the regulators look like the other pictures that they have. charlie bowdre look like the blurry guy on the horse, sally chisum, looks like the girl in the front.
@barragin9893
3 жыл бұрын
More importantly a computer believes it well over 95% accurately. Sally Chisum alone is 99+% facial recognition matched in the photo.
@youaresomeone3413
2 жыл бұрын
Facial recognition is an astounding thing in today's technological world it can be a good thing if used properly and not for nefarious reasons.
@NicolasPerez15
8 жыл бұрын
I couldn't get that last part. Where was it found?
@zakshale
8 жыл бұрын
Fresno junk shop.
@miketheyunggod2534
4 жыл бұрын
This was supposedly taken at a wedding in New Mexico in 1878. Where are the leaves not on the trees in summertime in New Mexico? Why are they wearing coats and sweaters in the summer.
@barragin9893
3 жыл бұрын
White oaks drop their leaves during drought, this was during a decade long drought - also this is supposedly in September. Clothes - lol - this was still a very conservative time in the country - there weren't any shorts or miniskirts! The soldiers of the civil war wore wool jackets and trousers in July at Gettysburg...
@stevemccarty6384
2 жыл бұрын
The picture was probably taken during a Christmas Party. It was made before the LCW and we see Billy, Sallie Chisum, Frank MacNab and John Tunstall. It is a simple party where the locals were playing croquet. The LCW is in their future.
@jason686361able
2 жыл бұрын
It was Charlie's wedding party and back then they always wore clothes like they did back than they didn't have ac so that's why they were acclimated to the weather
@miketheyunggod2534
2 жыл бұрын
@@stevemccarty6384 it was a month after the Lincoln County War which occurred in July, 1878. So, this was August, 1878. The middle of summer where the temp had to be in the 90s.
@Tommytwothumbs999
8 жыл бұрын
Billy the Kid Teen age gang bangers , but nobody suggested banning guns ! lol
@youaresomeone3413
2 жыл бұрын
Far from gang bangers, the real gang bangers are the ones in suits and ties.
@youaresomeone3413
2 жыл бұрын
Billy the kid at his young age was more of a man than these so called grown men in today's western society
@dalehammond1704
3 жыл бұрын
Not in reference to this photo, but, isn't it amazing what today's antique photo reproduction experts can do? Study the process and make your own photo of Billy. It's fun.
@parrmik
4 жыл бұрын
Is that a gun in his pocket, or ishe just happy to see someone ?
@barragin9893
3 жыл бұрын
Croquet balls.
@ernestoj2223
8 жыл бұрын
It's coded.
@frglass
8 жыл бұрын
it's not worth shit unless somebody is stupid enough to buy it...
@Cinnamon535
8 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't even pay 5 dollars for the piece of crap
@MonkeyspankO
8 жыл бұрын
+thealize808 burn!
@ClasssicAri
8 жыл бұрын
I'd pay $5 to sniff your seat.
@thealize808
8 жыл бұрын
Let the $5 bid war begin.....
@Tommytwothumbs999
8 жыл бұрын
+Kush and Wax can i have all your 20 dollar bills Andrew Jackson was far worst
@slipnorris5882
8 жыл бұрын
+Kush and Wax good, I will, and be on vacation with my millions
@se7ensnakes
7 жыл бұрын
First off, True West and the gentleman quoted in the post made a rather large error in judgment (in my humble opinion) without knowing or seeing the full body of evidence that has been discovered on this image. With the exception of Dr. Hutton, who does appear in our film and is very helpful in discovering documentation that supports the photo, the other’s comments were snarky, wining and lacking any facts to support their positions. We know, as the people bringing the photo to the public, that the burden of proof is on us with this image. The documentary on Sunday is our presentation of that proof. True West and these highly respected gentlemen should have waited until Monday to make their positions known simply because none of them have seen the full amount of evidence and proof that the led to the tintype’s authentication. I repeatedly asked Mr. McCubbin to look at all the proof but he was defiant and rejected the invitations. Ahead of the airing of the film, here are some bullet points to set the record straight and to refute the error-laden claims of True West’s “dream team” of historians and photo-collectors: “The photo has no provenance or documentation”; Actually, we’ve discovered both. The first and most important piece of provenance in photography is the location the picture was taken. This is where the chain of custody begins. We have found the exact location the photo was taken and it has been verified by three, separate teams of investigators independent of the production of the film. Its also been verified by the current land-owner of what was the old Tunstall Ranch on the Felix River, Sterling Hendricks. The lumber structure seen in the croquet photo, which we now know was the Felix School built in 1874 (most likely by Casey), was actually built over in 1935 and became the Flying H School. We know this because we found some of the original boards and foundation elements underneath the structure that stands there today. Additionally and most compelling, the width of the building there today is 21’6’ wide. The measurements of the old building in the croquet photo are 21’6” wide. These measurements were made using the same computer application that positively identifies Bonney, Bowdre, Chisum and O’Folliard. The configuration of roof-pitch, windows and doors has certainly changed over time but the building’s measurements are strong facts, along with many others from the site, that prove this is the spot. Provenance established. Next, facial-recognition. This is one is tough because quite simply, older people find accepting this technology difficult to accept out of a lack (or willingness) to understand it. Bossnecker’s comments about facial-recognition not working on 2D images is completely out of line and untrue. The facial-recognition expert we used on this project, Kent Gibson, is one of the most highly-respected forensic analysts in this field. The software used in positively identifying Billy The Kid, Tom O’Folliard, Sallie Chisum and Charlie Bowdre in Randy’s photo is the same system used to protect the United States from terrorist attacks. It works. Its finds and helps bring to justice people that would do us harm everyday and does this using 2D images. In fact, most of the time, the source material used is more grainy and in poorer shape than the croquet tintype. Its tough for me to understand how someone can sit safe in their office in San Francisco, protected by technology like that used in our film but then claim that same technology is incapable of matching William Bonney from two, usable sources. “We don’t have any documentation”; Again, yes we do. Sallie Chisum’s hand-written journal from 1878 quite clearly explains when and where all of the people in the photograph came together and, when cross-referenced to known, historical movements of the players, establishes a narrow timeline the photo was taken within. This documentation also leads to and points directly at the Tunstall Ranch for where the photo was taken. History well-records the fact that Charlie Bowdre and Doc Scurlock moved their families from Ruidoso to Fort Sumner the first week of September of 1878. Evidence that will be shown in the film points to the croquet tintype being taken during this event. “It doesn’t look like New Mexico…the trees don’t match”; This was the first citation of Bossnecker and McCubbin. According to Professor Owen Burney, at the University of New Mexico’s forestry studies, the trees have been identified as White Oaks. While on the fringe of their natural habit in the late 1870s, its well-documented that the nearby town of White Oaks, New Mexico in Lincoln County was named for a large stand of White Oak trees that grew near the stream east of town. Additionally, naysayers point out that if this photo was taken in early September, why are there no leaves on the trees? Again, Professor Burney cites that in times of severe drought, large trees will drop their leaves early to protect against mortality. We have documentation to prove that a severe drought was in play in south-eastern New Mexico between 1876 and 1883. In my opinion, Bossenecker and McCubbin should be disqualified as contributing “experts” in photo-authentication after missing this one so badly. “Why would they being playing croquet?” “Where are their guns?”; The croquet element to the photo is the most interesting to me. When I emailed Fred Nolan back in March to ask him to look at the photo and contribute to the film (which he denied both), he thought the element of croquet in the photo with Billy was outrageous. Really? Does he forget that John Tunstall was English? Does he forget that on page 69 in his own book “The Life and Death of John Henry Tunstall” he writes about how much Tunstall loved the game and documents that he played it here in North America after immigrating from England? While we can’t prove with facts or evidence that the croquet set seen in the photo is Tunstall’s, its at the very least a compelling link between the game and the people in the photo. As for the lack of guns, this is obviously a staged photo to celebrate some kind of special event. Our photo experts believe it was to celebrate the marriage of the two people seen on horseback in the photo based on how the photo is composed. We uncovered new documentation in our search that proves Charlie Bowdre and Manueal Herrera were actually married in 1878 and not in 1876 or 1880 as historians have guessed at for years. These documents have been provided by decedents of both and in probate court records of San Miguel County, the county Fort Sumner was located in 1878. We believe the record of their marriage was entered after they arrived in Fort Sumner. The tintype itself was analyzed by noted wet-plate collodian photographer Will Dunniway. Will is considered one of the best itinerate artists in the world today. He date-stamped the croquet photo to a plate made between 1877 and 1881. The chemical process used to make the plate tells the tale. Residue and a close look at the media material itself is consistent with photographs made in that time-frame. Dunniway also confirms McWilliams findings that clothing worn is period-correct. These are just some of the facts and findings we uncovered over years of research and work on this photo. Claims of a new Billy The Kid image should be met with skepticism simply due to the amount of false claims made. But at some point, with an image like the croquet photo, the over-whelming circumstantial evidence combined with solid provenance proves the image to be authentic. Never before has an image been put through such scrutiny or testing from a wide-range of photo-experts, historians and researchers and every one of them, close to this project, agrees with the finding of authenticity and the verification of that authenticity by Don Kagin and David McCarthy. We are at the point now, with this amount of evidence, that it is more outrageous to suggest this isn’t Billy and The Regulators. For Mr. Nolan, the above is based on FACT, not conjecture. Again, we welcome naysayers to bring forward specific, empirical proof or evidence that refutes our findings. Snarky statements from historians and “world-famous” photo-collectors aren’t good enough anymore. We and those who love the history of the Wild West, expect and demand more. We’ve done our work to prove this photo is real. If you disagree, stand up and show us the proof why it isn’t. Jeff Aiello Co-Executive Producer - “Billy The Kid: New Evidence”
@youaresomeone3413
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time and comment. This is no doubt absolutely 100% authentic and if it were in my hands it would be absolutely priceless.
@youaresomeone3413
2 жыл бұрын
Billy the kid was my absolute favorite from the old west days simply because he fought for what was right and he may have been a killer but he wasn't a cold blooded monster just to kill for thrill. We need more billy the kids today in my opinion.
@se7ensnakes
2 жыл бұрын
@@youaresomeone3413 Billy the Kid apparently was misdiagnosed by older people including the governor. First, he saw a friend get gunned down by a large competitor for selfish reasons, and the law not doing anything about it. The regulators took justice into their own hands and most ended up dead, unfortunately. His short life was spectacular, however, in the roughness of the old west.
@youaresomeone3413
2 жыл бұрын
@@se7ensnakes What do you mean taking the law into there own hands? So just because a "human" where's a tin badge makes him a God? We are ALL human and he was doing what was right just because he didn't have a piece of metal on his material clothing doesn't make him any less.
@youaresomeone3413
2 жыл бұрын
@@se7ensnakes I never could figure humans way of thinking out as if as soon as someone puts a suit n tie on or a tin badge they suddenly become God's. Humans are humans with or without the tin badge and suit and tie.
@jsiszero
8 жыл бұрын
lol these days, people can replicate the same photograph with acting and a little bit of Photoshop
@robertmckenzie9803
4 жыл бұрын
He doesent look like the other photo where hes standing with his gun,
@palnikolaiisnes7804
Жыл бұрын
In a rather unique way you are correct. Most people hasnt seen the original tintype. Just the restored one done by Noah Rose. In the original its impossible to make out anything really and its just an artists guesswork. Paulina Maxwell herself stated the tintype looked nothing like BTK.
@randymarsh6564
4 жыл бұрын
Its not him and they know it. Even if it were , you cant say for sure, i dont care how long you analyze it.
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