This video is extremely detailed and informative. Surprised you don't have more views.
@ajcj1970
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. As far as the views, I don’t think KZitem likes videos like this, so they won’t make it easy to find unless someone is specifically searching for the subject matter.
@ronaldbritton9705
Жыл бұрын
@@ajcj1970 there are others out there to. Keep doing them. The more likes, subscribers the more visual you will become
@warrensteel9954
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, the more informative the video, the less traction they get. Entertainment gets promoted so they can show ads.
@MrFred4513
2 жыл бұрын
The best video on youtube for this topic. Thank you.
@ajcj1970
2 жыл бұрын
Thx.
@williamarmstrong392
5 ай бұрын
I’ve been making slugs using your method for several years now. This is a very informative video. Most people don’t realize how accurate these slugs are, and can be made for a fraction of the cost of factory slugs. Thanks for the great video !
@SHOT_GUNNER
9 ай бұрын
This is an excellent video. As a creator I know this takes a lot of work and we appreciate that! 🤠👍🏻 Subscribed
@RobertSmith-ub6tk
7 ай бұрын
Awesome video I learned years ago but your video is the best one. I’ve watched also watched Bob Roundtree and shotgun reloader on KZitem. Good information.
@ajcj1970
7 ай бұрын
Thx. I appreciate that.
@keving5978
6 ай бұрын
Very informative! I really appreciate the detail. Was in the process of trying it myself. Ran across your video in my resrarch. You saved me time and money! Thank! Well done!
@rayhollingsworth2588
Жыл бұрын
I never thought about doing this but it looks like it’s not super hard. . Thanks for sharing your knowledge on this subject. Very informative . You did a great job with the video.👍
@jasonlopez4855
9 ай бұрын
I'm glad you did two different kinds. I've been waiting to try this because factory is too much for 5 rounds. I got time to make and mold round. Got a cheeper lee slug 1oz I want the 7/8oz now.
@hawkpilot6-actual
Жыл бұрын
Excellent service for your fellow enthusiasts!!! Very very well done 👍
@danielmacdonald8358
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video thank you so much I have been thinking about making my own slugs and the information you provided is very valuable 👍
@charlesmarais4582
2 жыл бұрын
Thorough approach. It will be interesting to see this test repeated by using cast buckshot to replace birdshot in factory ammo.
@ajcj1970
2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t got into loading buckshot yet, been focusing on the Lee 7/8 oz. slugs. When I do I’ll publish my process and results.
@charlesmarais4582
2 жыл бұрын
@@ajcj1970 thank you very much for your excellent overview in this video. I live in South Africa where trap/skeet factory ammo from Europe is readily available. One does, however, struggle to get hold of buckshot/slugs from time to time. Reloading 12 ga hulls not always feasible due to availability of wads and primers. Guess with buckshot one can play around with buffer and over-shot cards.
@ajcj1970
2 жыл бұрын
Glad the data was helpful. Hope your ammo shortage is long lasting.
@WillyK51
Жыл бұрын
Years ago bought a Slingshot mould BB-20-M2 from Do-It Molds. the larger cavity is 38 Cal-000 Buckshot and the smaller #0 buckshot and the one I use as you can get 12 #0 in a 1 1/4 Oz Wad with Plastic granulated Buffer and patern quite well in my Modified Choke up to 40 Yds. Probably further with full choke. Star crimped. The 000 are to big to stack 3 evenly in an empty shell. I size them to 358 and load 2 in my 38/357 revolver, 140 Grns combined and a proper powder charge. Double tap with every shot. Non waded loads can use 00 Buck stacked 3 on 3 evenly. Cut of the seal cup on the wad(or the cup petals) and re-use it to seal powder, ad cards as needed and star crimp. Don't forget to weight the chosen pellets to see if the weight maches the powder load. They usualy weight less than the birdshot load
@andersgothberg6031
Жыл бұрын
Really nice vid! Excellent filmed and explained. Now off to get a Lee mold and start making slugs!!
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@octwin
2 жыл бұрын
Want to confirm “20 gauge” overshot card vs 12 gauge, about to order these supplies. Great video and thank you for sharing.
@ajcj1970
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, 20 gauge overshot card. The smaller diameter fits inside the wad cup. Since publishing this video, I've started creating my own 20 guage overshot cards using a "Bira Craft 5/8 inch circle shape lever action craft punch for paper crafting scrapbooking". I've been punching cards out of the shell boxes that my rounds come in. The cardboard on the boxes is a bit thinner, so I use two cards instead of just one. Works exactly the same as the commercially produced cards.
@shindukess
2 жыл бұрын
The best video on this topic by far. One thing I'd do if you don't mind sacrificing a spent hull is cut it down to the desired length for cutting the wad. This way you don't have to use spacers. Just the hull, wad and dowel. Also one for each round, brand/type and you're good to go.
@ajcj1970
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. That’s a good suggestion, might just have to try that.
@shindukess
2 жыл бұрын
@@ajcj1970 also get a shell cutter tool and a hand roll crimper for those that don't have a drill press. Those made my life so much easier and the results came out better. I bought the tools on eBay but I can't post links. Cutter is from nimrod-98. Roller is from avaparts. Anyone looking for dowel sticks I found one at Walmart in the arts and crafts section. They had a garbage can with different size wooden sticks. Also use masking tape for the stick. Electrical tape tends to leave sticky residue. Diluting the birdshot antimony with pure lead is a must. I had hell trying to release the slugs off my core pin before doing that. Just go to the fishing section of Walmart and buy the best value fishing sinkers you can. Bullet weights brand usually has the best value.
@jkucukov
11 ай бұрын
@@shindukess What's the dilution ratio?
@shindukess
11 ай бұрын
@@jkucukov I didn't really have a specific amount. I just dumped a bunch of sinkers in the pot and it did the trick. If you try pouring some after mixing and your nail can scratch it easily I'd say it's at a good point.
@shindukess
10 ай бұрын
@@jkucukov you may want to stock up on sinkers because I've been seeing nothing but steel sinkers in a lot of stores now.
@garrybrischke53
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the informative, detailed video .Not a typical utube video.👍🇦🇺
@johnndavis7647
Жыл бұрын
I personally wouldn't melt down the shot unless it was a size that I would have no use for. I can cast slugs from any old lead but I can't make good bird shot. I would save the bird shot for some other project. I enjoyed the process and it's well thought out. Thanks for the video.
@gripz9387
6 ай бұрын
Birdshot is cheap, and readily available.. I think you’re missing the point bud lol
@johnndavis7647
6 ай бұрын
@@gripz9387 No, it's not cheap and readily available either. It's available in 25 pound bags but the shipping is outrageous. And that's way more than I would ever need. You might be able to get it in 8 pound jugs but but it's still not cheap and it has to be shipped. Not cheap either. I can get free, lead wheel weights off the side of the roads to make a few slugs anytime I want too. Go to any busy intersection and walk a couple of blocks up the street, cross over and come back the other side while scanning the curb and gutter for wheel weights. You will probably come back with a handful. They won't all be lead. Some will be steel or zinc. You will soon be able to tell the difference. Cars throw them off the wheels during panic stops so the deceleration lane just before red lights is where you will find most of them.
@TheDespairbear
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I have been looking for, thank you!
@Kevin.L_
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for sharing your findings.
@jeffreybeck772
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome have been considering this for a russian 16ga that I have
@mickTaylor0860
Жыл бұрын
Great vid very informative, I'm looking at doing the same here in Australia. I guess target loads are a safe bet for a beginner
@thepenultimateninja5797
9 ай бұрын
This is really great. I have looked into doing this before, but this is by far the best video I have seen on the subject. What are your thoughts on mini shells? From what I understand, they have the same powder charge and payload as regular length shells, but they use a shorter shot cup to reduce the length of the shell. Would it maybe be possible to modify or replace the shot cups in these loads, so there would be room for a full payload of buckshot, and still have enough material left for an overshot card and a roll crimp?
@ajcj1970
9 ай бұрын
Thx. I’ve never messed around with the mini setup. I chose this setup basically for two reasons, 1) this modification can be done with all the materials provided in a regular box of shells ( even the overshot card can be created from the box they come in) and 2) the overall length of these rounds make it ideal for use in any pump shotgun WITHOUT an Opsal adapter ( no tumbling of the round while chambering ) while also increasing the amount of rounds in the tube magazine. Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful. I would hate to give out inaccurate information without doing the proper research and testing.
@thepenultimateninja5797
9 ай бұрын
@@ajcj1970 That makes sense. I did some experiments with some Winchester Super Target. The wad consists of an obturator and shot cup, joined together with a shock absorber section. If I cut away the shock absorber leaving just the obturator and shot cup, it creates enough space for an overshot wad and a roll crimp. This is exciting, because it means that I can swap out the payload of the shell without buying anything else except the overshot wad (I'm using bingo chips that cost about a penny each, but as you say, they could be punched out from the cardboard box the shells come in). I am still waiting for my roll crimper to arrive, but the overall length of the uncrimped shell is 2.25", so I'm expecting the length when crimped to be about 2.125". That will hopefully be long enough to cycle through the gun without using an adapter.
@commonsensepatriot9450
9 ай бұрын
Very well done video.
@huxmetalworks7371
2 жыл бұрын
Great job keep it up thanks for sharing
@hawkpilot6-actual
Жыл бұрын
Please do more reloading videos. Asap.
@hafsalinda
Жыл бұрын
Open the shell from the center pour out the shot into a tiny cast iron skillet. melt and pour into a 16mm 12 point socket Cool and punch out Insert back into the shell Recrimp. Fire Imlo.
@hafsalinda
Жыл бұрын
Working one shell at a time, and the powder will always be correct
@jasonlopez4855
9 ай бұрын
Like the idea 💡 16mm for my Mossberg 500 rifle barrel will work I think great and cheap.
@johnsmith-gk4td
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video!!
@stevelyons2744
Жыл бұрын
Rather than risking troubles with a short shell, could the process start with a 3" round? After the 1/4" loss to the roll crimp, the finished product would be closer to factory length. But depending on the interior length of the tube, the shorter length may increase capacity by 1.
@rayfoster6980
Жыл бұрын
Two Thumbs Up
@jtommygun
Жыл бұрын
maybe you can try a plain charge replacement, I mean exchange 1 1/8 #8 birdshot for 1 1/8 buckshot (#00, #4, #0, etc.). if only you can get #8 birdshot and you want/need buckshot load, it can be done reasonably safe? pretty solid logic.
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
So, I did start messing with this concept a little. Cutting the crimp off the hull and reducing the size of the wad shot cup (like I do in the video) creates a smaller amount of area to reload any size shot and still have space for an overshot card and a roll crimp. My thought on this is that it might be possible if I could open the crimp (then recrimp it) to be able to utilize that extra hull length and not cut down the wad shot cup. Once I get it worked out, I will post something.
@jtommygun
Жыл бұрын
@@ajcj1970 I understand, maybe use a tool similar to a corkscrew to try to open the crimp. if the level of the new charge is low (like only 1oz or 7/8oz) you can recrimp pushing the center not to an horizontal level, but in a slight depression. so the crimp stay in place on his own.
@ronaldbritton9705
Жыл бұрын
Ok i really like this video. I like your resourcefulness. Im going to make these once my mold comes in. Um one thing. After you fire these what do you reload the hulls with?
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
I haven’t reloaded any of these. The idea of this project was to create useable slugs when only birdshot is available, using the materials on hand and a mold. I’m sure you could reload these using a recipe from one of the reloading manuals. You would just have to recondition the roll crimp portion of the hull.
@ronaldbritton9705
Жыл бұрын
How do you keep the shells from turning in the 3/4" emt when trimming crimp open?
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
When I was cutting, I mostly pulled the blade back into the hull plastic. I didn’t try to cut in a circular fashion. This in combination with a sharp blade should do the trick.
@Sweezlballin
8 ай бұрын
Is this out of a rifled barrel? Questioning how the projectile gets any spin otherwise
@ajcj1970
8 ай бұрын
My Mossberg 500 is a smooth bore. No spin.
@ThisFish888
Жыл бұрын
Do you think the low rlvelovity readings was actually the wads speed being measured instead of the slug?
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
Interesting thought. That could be. Since the Federals have a two piece wad, I guess it’s possible. The bottom half of the wad might not be attached to (or grouped with) the slug while traveling through the chronograph, like the upper half. If that is the case, any ideas on how I could get an accurate chrono reading? I will say that there was no other noticeable differences while running the Federals, accuracy was basically the same as the Winchesters, no signs of over pressure, recoil and report of the shotgun was the same and constant. Since publishing this video I’ve run a bunch of the Federals without issue.
@steveallen2610
2 жыл бұрын
Its not the casting that makes the slug not do the push test. Its the wad u put the slug in some wads peddles are to thick. You may have to cut the peddles off more to get it to fit.
@ajcj1970
2 жыл бұрын
I mentioned the "push test" being used for these two specific rounds to give an additional way to judge if someone elses reconstructed round is the same as mine shown in the video. In these two specific rounds the altered wads (the wads that come with the factory rounds) rise above the widest part of the slug. I would say, If they don't push through like shown in the my content, something is wrong (at least through an open bore).
@joshlaquerre3197
8 ай бұрын
Where do you get your materials. I want to do this because you can not buy a 16 gauge slug 😒
@ajcj1970
8 ай бұрын
Well, the point of this project was to use the materials provided in the box of bird shot rounds (hull, lead, primer, powder and cup). The things that I actually had to purchase for this project where the slug mold, roll crimp and overshot cards ( the overshot cards you could make out of the box that the birdshot comes in, if you have or purchase a punch).
@dylansmith2324
4 ай бұрын
What if you put some wax on the trip
@ajcj1970
4 ай бұрын
I have seen videos where they do that for crimped birdshot rounds for “waterproofing”. If you’re referring to the slug against the primer in the tubular magazine, I’m not too concerned about accidental detonation, the research that I’ve seen makes me think that is very unlikely to happen. I also think that adding wax would increase the amount of pressure needed to fire the round, which I was trying to avoid.
@ClarkesonTheMarksman
Жыл бұрын
Doesn't it matter that your cartridges are only 2 inches? I suppose as long as the cartridge isn't over 3 inches, that its fine in a mossberg 590?
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
Work great in a pump (even adds capacity), not so much in my mag fed semi autos. Never had a chance to try them in a tube mag semi auto.
@woodknack1
Жыл бұрын
can you reuse these hulls again? or just toss them?
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
I haven't tried but I'm sure you could. You would just have to recondition the hull and have an acceptable "mini" load (due to the fact that the hull is shortened when cutting the crimp off).
@WillyK51
Жыл бұрын
I'd rather use a full lengh new or used shell and buy 7/8 oz target wads, add cards as needed and star crimp or roll crimp.
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
The point of this project was to be able to make usable slugs on the cheap. Doing it this way, the birdshot round supplies all materials needed. All you need is a mold and a roll crimp (you can actually make the overshot cards from the birdshot box with a cheap arts and crafts punch). Another added bonus is that the shortened rounds create more capacity in a tube magazine.
@tomoliver8498
Жыл бұрын
Where did you get the roll crimper?
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
Ballistic Products
@tomoliver8498
Жыл бұрын
@@ajcj1970 I also found one on eBay called roll crimper by MD that looks great
@Superspiff
Жыл бұрын
Can you do the same provess but sith buckshot instead?
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
Never tried but I’m sure you could. You’d have to use an overshot card on top to contain your shot which would further limit the capacity (the slug actually protrudes upper ward past the bottom of the roll crimp on mine). My guess would be that you’d only get a few pellets in, three #4 maybe, not really sure though.
@Superspiff
Жыл бұрын
@@ajcj1970 would i be able to use smaller shots like 1/4 silver daisy slingshot ammo?
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
I would suppose that you could. The concern there would be, what the shot was made of. I produced my slugs trying to keep the material as soft as possible, as to not damage my barrel.
@Francois_Dupont
Жыл бұрын
no way a slug would trigger the next round in the tube. i have a 30-30 and i reload "pointy" ammo all the time. all the rounds are back to back and never had a problem.
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree. It had to be part of the coversation just because of the the research that is available on the subject. Some people have this concern, I am not one of those people.
@Francois_Dupont
Жыл бұрын
@@ajcj1970 fun fact, i had to actually buy a collar crimp tool because the recoil was causing the bullets to slip down the casing with the recoil. i think if the recoil is enough to tap the bullet and primer enough to push them back into the case WITHOUT even triggering the primers it is pretty safe. i have also heard of people having a trouble due to this (pointy to primer), but it might be very rare because all the ammo company are selling pointy bullet for 30-30. my guess is they woudnt do this if it was dangerous due to being sued.
@ajcj1970
Жыл бұрын
That is a fun fact. So, that situation could cause an over pressured round without having the proper crimp. Good information.
@OU812NVME
9 ай бұрын
Way to much work when making hilljack loads lol
@ajcj1970
9 ай бұрын
Didn't want to put information out there that wasn't valid. Tried to incorparate anything I was thinking of while I was going through this project. More info is better then less, what is done with that info awfterwards is up to the individual.
@chaegibson720
Жыл бұрын
This is going to sound fucked but I’m working in kind of unknown territory but I’ve been working on hand loading 1-3/4 and 1-1/2 inch mini shells and I’m running 6/8 the powder charge and 6/8 the load with absolutely zero cushioning and minimal space and am having zero issues, I have not insignificant extraction issues just shooting factory Winchester target loads In the 590s I’m running, they kinda swell and gum up a little bit with cushioned wads
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