Some people gonna be mad. But I for one am so happy to see this outcome 🖤
@topnotchshinobi
Жыл бұрын
Likewise happy with the outcome! Everyone in this scene has now got their priorities/goals straightened out, our two rivals (Sabellian and Wrathion) have now made peace/reaffirmed their brotherhood, and Ebyssian’s rise to Aspecthood parallels Thrall’s “we don’t get to hide” arc. Looking forward to what comes next!
@joshstraub6972
Жыл бұрын
Sams
@catterin7815
Жыл бұрын
Some people are never happy with any outcome and there was never going to be a choice that everyone would have agreed with. Personally, I agree with you. This was by far the best choice.
@jefftank3300
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Thor in the MCU. Originally prideful and arrogant. Eager to be the new king. But movies later, he turned down the mantle of king in pursuit of what he believes his true calling is.
@DecayedPony
Жыл бұрын
Don't think i know anyone who hates Ebyssian, lets go !
@SerGlushko
Жыл бұрын
Who's more qualified to become the Earth-Warder then the one who's spent thousands of years among those who pray to the Earth Mother?
@fr3ddyarriaga90
Жыл бұрын
The time living with the tauren certainly have some influence in his way to see the things.
@sergiovergaramontemiranda2116
Жыл бұрын
I agree tho. Ppl like Wrathion and Sabelian are need it too. One who pushes the boundires of the flight and one who defends it with a strong will. Remember what the old red dragon dwarf told us than the strongest quality of the OG Black dragons (pre Madness) was to push beyond what dragon kind though possible and post Madness their power to rival anyone and anything
@cameronmcewen9666
Жыл бұрын
That does kinda make sense. And perhaps being at the highest peak on Azeroth has kept him out of the Old Gods’ reach.
@rafaelveiga91
Жыл бұрын
There's no better way to put it.
@senaris
Жыл бұрын
Still.. a better pick than anduin.
@YeenQueenTTV
Жыл бұрын
I can't be the only one who teared up when realizing that Ebyssian is finally becoming the new Earth-Warder.
@jffrancis8689
Жыл бұрын
you are not ;)
@naz-ghul6327
Жыл бұрын
it was prety obv. set up from start of this expansion. After the wrathion - sebelian fight it was obv. no one of those two can be the next aspect. So who is left then? And he was all the time siting back, being nice to everyone and being clever.
@YeenQueenTTV
Жыл бұрын
@@naz-ghul6327 Never said anything about it being unexpected, just that it got me emotional that they actually did it.
@erikbrautigam6221
Жыл бұрын
@@YeenQueenTTV I am SO GLAD it's Ebyssian, both that he'll become the Aspect as well that he's a Tauren. Hits deep.
@snini_artz
11 ай бұрын
i teared up at sabellian and wrathions adorable brother moment :")
@SleepySloth2705
Жыл бұрын
I hope Ebyssian gets a remodeled dragon form with moose-antlers and Highmountain-inspired decorations
@TheTezoni
Жыл бұрын
Probably will when he become a true aspect, right now being Aspect is just a title
@Zafarak
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTezoni When does this normally happen?
@KeineFriends
Жыл бұрын
@@Zafarak The aspect lost their powers to kill deathwing. They are trying to get them back in dragonflight. This is what the last boss of uldaman is trying to prevent
@TheTezoni
Жыл бұрын
@@Zafarak this is the main goal of the expansion, we don't know when. The aspects have lost their "aspect powers" after Dragon Soul and now they are trying to get back. When this happens, Ebyssian and Merithra will become true aspects.
@Zafarak
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTezoni ah yeah I forgot Alexstrasza wanted to light the Mother Oathstone
@DrDrystal
Жыл бұрын
Glad to see that one of the Aspects has not a Human or Elf as a Visage like all the other 4! Let's hope he doesn't die in the next patch. Ebyssian was always my fave from the three
@BeyondDaX
Жыл бұрын
He'll be fine, otherwise Blizzard would have to write down who would be the next one for the Black Dragonflight.
@SuperGamefreak18
Жыл бұрын
yeah I CERTAINLY dont want another Voljin incident.....that was painful to find out first time....
@dagrimone
Жыл бұрын
well if chromie takes over the bronze you will have a gnome aspect.... i dont really have time for that :D
@TyrannosavageRekt
Жыл бұрын
The Green Dragon Aspects' form (be it Ysera or Merithra) being a Night Elf makes sense a lot given their historical connection, and the Blues being a High Elf or Human (or in Kalecgos' case, a Half-Elf) makes sense given the races' penchant for Magic. Likewise, the Earth-Warder and Aspect of the Black Dragonflight having a Tauren visage, a race that hold great reverance for the Earth Mother, seems fitting. They perhaps could have been more creative with Alexstrasza and Nozdormu, but they've been in the game for a fair while now and it is what it is.
@cameronmcewen9666
Жыл бұрын
All they need to do now is give Ebyssian a unique model.
@TuberoseKisser
Жыл бұрын
SABELLIAN CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT I LOVE TO SEE IT
@DonPetexX
Жыл бұрын
"Man dad really sucked" the lesson sabelian and wrathion needed to learn
@mireiyu6623
Жыл бұрын
yo i love Wrathion and Sabellian bromance
@TehPhri4r
Жыл бұрын
My hope has always been that wrathion continues to lead us into future expansions like khadgar has. Now he can.
@cameronmcewen9666
Жыл бұрын
Khadgar has served his purpose.
@Kobukseon
Жыл бұрын
He's Ebyssian's 'Ambassador', so he will... but not as an aspect.
@YA-kr4fr
11 ай бұрын
@@cameronmcewen9666 he still is the best character hands down
@cronosdimitri4584
Жыл бұрын
sabellian being the gentle and humble strategist that he always could be warms me in many ways
@P3pucz
Жыл бұрын
I rooted for Wrathion, but this patch and on Forbidden Reach Ebyssian stepped out and showed that he will be the best as an Aspect and I'm freaking happy to see it written this way with both Wrathion and Sabellian realizing it too ❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
@girl1213
Жыл бұрын
By turning away from power, Wrathion has fully proved how different he is from Deathwing. His want to guide and protect Azeroth is a noble one, but one that could easily be twisted into something far darker...just like Deathwing.
@BearPawSwipe
Жыл бұрын
Yah boy Ebyssian steppin' up! I hope he gets a cool aspect form.
@BeyondDaX
Жыл бұрын
He has gone a long way from his days in legion
@MrOrcshaman
Жыл бұрын
Sabellian finally seeing Wrathion as his brother (even though their actually uncle and nephew)
@ninjanikstudios2280
Жыл бұрын
As much as I expected this outcome, I am happy they took this direction. It makes the most sense
@Serotonious
Жыл бұрын
So proud of my boy!!! Loved him since Legion, so glad to see more of him
@piladin9845
Жыл бұрын
Love that Wrathion will have more spare time for his hobby new legendary cloak when?
@MsLola2013
Жыл бұрын
or adventure. Finally someone else will save Azeroth.
@batarasamuel5591
Жыл бұрын
as a fellow middle child I'm so proud that Ebyssian, the obvious middle child of the three, could lead them all
@MangoLeaf9103
Жыл бұрын
Long live, Aspect Ebyssian!! For the Dragonflights!!
@GlamdringandOrcrist
Жыл бұрын
Ebyssian always was the best choice. Wrathion is a literal baby & Sabellian is just Neltharion all over again to a certain extent. Glad to see one of the many good things that came out of Legion getting more love.
@TioFranTV
Жыл бұрын
Wrathion suffers from bad writing, hes arc usually is the same, but, at least he allways cared about his dragon fight, ebyssian just hide for years, was helped by Wrathion and then the writers decided to make him the aspect on the forbiden reach
@MaluuniRosa
Жыл бұрын
Oh thank heavens Wrathion gets and keeps a family
@Gikaser
Жыл бұрын
This is simple, but I cried of joy. Sometimes things must be simple to continue. Ebyssian
@arcanerune9134
Жыл бұрын
This scene was so beautiful. Well done.
@Urgot666
Жыл бұрын
He dont wanted to lead, but he is needed 😢
@xHaseo135x
Жыл бұрын
4 black dragons wander into a void corrupted room yet none are bothered by it 🤔
@stoopidyoutubehandle
Жыл бұрын
They are either never corrupted or partially immunized before birth.
@philippeblais8594
Жыл бұрын
@@stoopidyoutubehandle Ebyssian and Wrathion match those 2 descriptions respectively. But Sabellian was corrupted, but managed to cure himself during his tenure on Outland. Away from any old god influence.
@masoncaffey3093
Жыл бұрын
Love this so much, looking forward to following the black dragonflights story 😍
@Petter1900
Жыл бұрын
I'm honestly surprised they went this route. One that brought a smile to my face.
@lalchock
Жыл бұрын
This cutscene would have been better with a pink princess orc transmog
@ashootshftw
Жыл бұрын
Ayyy, That's amazing, im Happy to see Ebyssian being supported by his fellow brethern
@TyrannosavageRekt
Жыл бұрын
I'm still not sure Sabellian's turn toward good nature or "redemption" feels truly earned, but I'm glad to see Ebyssian get the spotlight.
@girl1213
Жыл бұрын
I see as him finally growing up. He may be an adult, but he hadn't "grown up." Always looking an ideal that could never be instead of seeing it for what it actually is.
@raikaria3090
6 ай бұрын
He was humbled and saw his vision was wrong during the raid.
@Ultimaton100
3 ай бұрын
Sabellian was never a bad guy. He actually helped players from both factions however briefly in Outland. He was just devoted to preserving the Black Dragons regardless of how events played out on Azeroth. He recognized the void’s corruption of his kin, especially Deathwing and cloistered his brood in Outland to avoid that same fate. Just how much culpability if any he has for the actions of Neltharian prior to the Cataclysm back on Azeroth is unclear and debatable, but what is clear is he wasn’t hellbent on the destruction of the world as his corrupted kin were.
@redwing776
Жыл бұрын
The shivers are real thanks for this ending!!
@Nett11
Жыл бұрын
Quickly everyone pretend to be shocked
@Tatsu9522
Жыл бұрын
So beautiful. As many others I hope he is not gonna die soon and instead becoming an earth aspect for long time to see him in action!
@Barsee23
Жыл бұрын
i wanted wrathion :(
@thenerdbeast7375
Жыл бұрын
I was hoping for dark horse candidate Emberthal but I am glad that Ebyssian was decided to become Aspect, I hope when he does gain that power they give him a unique dragon model with moose antlers!
@andrewdilworth5044
Жыл бұрын
It seems WoW still has lessons to teach me as well. Well done.
@Lilenaart
Жыл бұрын
Finally blizzard got something right! Im so happy!
@freakinkaynmainlunalilys5568
Жыл бұрын
I am so happy with this turn of events! Of course it was expected but still puts a smile on my face❤
@tatalsaba
Жыл бұрын
Ebyssian begins his ascent to the rank of Aspect. This is awesome. Sabellian and Wrathion both step down and shows their support to their kin. Beautiful.
@ZakhadWOW
Жыл бұрын
Sabellian being The General and Wrathion being The DIplomat, he speaks of to Alexstrasza
@robinpimpin190
Жыл бұрын
My boy Ebbysian! I figured it would be him but I kinda feared they would do an asspull and make one of the other two the Aspect in the end.
@panda_instinct
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised to see how well the comments here are taking this after reading a lot of people being less than happy in the actual Wowhead comments I for one am happy, especially at how expressive this cutscene is
@0megacron
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the comments on Wowhead have devolved into mostly people who claim to hate the game, yet still play and find time to comment on Wowhead.
@ekl7804
Жыл бұрын
@@0megacron exactly
@girl1213
Жыл бұрын
Wowhead sadly attracts more toxic people: the kind that just want to complain but still continue to play the game they claim to hate/dislike. They miss the whole point of what's being shown.
@StayVCA98
Жыл бұрын
Honestly kinda wanted Wrathion to become the Aspect but we do know how of a Wild Card he can be, the other is eh, so Ebyssian is definitely the better choice!! As for the Greens, Ysera should've comeback as an Aspect but oh well...
@tristamfs3542
Жыл бұрын
ysera is back, just not as an aspect so wdym
@MsLola2013
Жыл бұрын
Blizzard had already taken away Wrathions childhood, they could have made him an Aspect but then he would have even less life for himself. This is the only thing that reconciles me to the idea that 10 years of character development for Blizzard was not enough for something more. Definitely Wrathions story is not over but at this stage Blizzard 10 years of history equated to an almost unfamiliar dragon that came out of nowhere with a single quest in the past.
@Demorthus
Жыл бұрын
Yes!!! I was hoping there'd be more & Ebyssian would become Aspect; and here it is! The exchange between Sabellion & Wrathion was pretty good too. W's
@megazetabetaful
Жыл бұрын
Ebyssian is ideal to be an Aspect of the Black Dragon Flight, He's humble, wise, kind and being a shaman he's been with the Earth Mother for many years, i can think of no one better. May he guide the Black Dragons to a brighter future, using the lessons of the past and the cost as a reminder, for meddling with the shadows. But there's still the other Primalists and their other masters so there's more to come.
@ogikay7056
Жыл бұрын
Witnessing history. It feels like watching dawn of the aspects 2.0
@mateusneves589
Жыл бұрын
God I love moo dragon so much
@raikaria3090
6 ай бұрын
Utimately; the mantle of leader and Aspect goes to the one of the three Black Dragons who never sought it. Also; he is the one with the experience in such a role; guiding and leading the Highmountain chieftains for years. Advising... but never abuseing his position. From late dev replacement for Wrathion to Aspect.
@aster4jaden
Жыл бұрын
Even though I wanted Sabellian to be the new Black Dragonflight Aspect. I was fine with the possibility of Ebyssian becoming the new Aspect, as long as he had Sabellian and Wrathion at his side and not them trying to usurp him or stupidly fight each other forever.
@topnotchshinobi
Жыл бұрын
Sarkareth is compelling enough of a cautionary tale for Sabellian and Wrathion to learn from. I think the black dragonflight’s internal politics will remain stable for the foreseeable future.
@Mucrush
Жыл бұрын
This. I don't even think that Ebyssian wanted to be Aspect if he couldn't have Wrathion and Sabellion by his side. Its all about growing together and working as a family.
@JamailvanWestering
Жыл бұрын
@@topnotchshinobi except it’s easy to talk from a high horse like Ebyssian has been doing. Sabellian was asked by his father to take care of the flight on Outland knowing full well they weren’t safe, but where Deathwing used people for his own purposes, Sabellian used people to safeguard that their was even a Black Dragonflight left. Like it’s easy to guide and council from afar when you’re not in that position BUT it’s way harder when you’re the leader. Because then you’re the one that’s solely accountable. And faced with that, what did Ebyssian do? He hid.
@xxargonautxx9790
11 ай бұрын
this hit me so hard, I haven't play since cata, but seeing this was sooo good! 1:45 was beautifully done with those exchange of words. Makes me want to come back to the game.
@xano2834
Жыл бұрын
I knew it. Ebyssian character developement pointed right in that direction.
@ABKMorgan
Жыл бұрын
All of that work put in for Sabellian and Wrathion at the Obsidian Citadel, and both just step aside, pff.🤣. Serious note, cant wait to see the cinematic where all the aspects get their powers back, and Ebyssian gets his Aspect Daddy look. Edit- Spelling.
@TheHorreK2
Жыл бұрын
I love how this was seen/predicted from the start by the community
@OverworkedITGuy
Жыл бұрын
Always the correct choice of the "Brothers".
@CriTheBee
Жыл бұрын
Man, it saddens me that so many people will look down on this kind of stuff just because it's a videogame. There's so many wonderful stories here. As if the emotions they bring out are somehow less valuable because you don't ingest them through traditional media or a book. The cinematic and the comment section made me really happy, it's nice to know there's others out there who feel the same.
@Dezbluerose
Жыл бұрын
honestly Ebyssian is the better choice and it good the two end up growing alot to where they understand that nether of them fit the role of Aspect and knew ebyassian was a better fit then them.
@Yaminho99
Жыл бұрын
called it at start of expansion. im glad it came true and we have a tauren aspect
@urustai
Жыл бұрын
This.. This actually started to bring tears to my eyes. Not of sorrow, but of hope for the future of the Black Dragon Flight.
@ErikWarhammer
Жыл бұрын
Looks like Old Ebonhorn is moving up in the world.
@williamdethland
Жыл бұрын
I knew it! i had a gut feeling that Ebyssian would be the new black dragon aspect.
@inanc88
Жыл бұрын
Ebyssian showed true leadership virtues since DF started. However Sabellian and Wrathion bickered on the throne of their fathers' twisted legacy. The best choice is Ebyssian and I'm sure he will bring back the reputation of his Dragonflight as its great leader.
@v1llian30
Жыл бұрын
Ebyssian just kept his head down and basically did work for the last 2 seasons. Right call.
@mattheudillon7088
Жыл бұрын
Ah yeah my boy Ebyssian!!
@TheLichruler
Жыл бұрын
Saw this coming half of azeroth away. Ebyssian was the most logic choice to become the aspect.
@leonardogabriel955
11 ай бұрын
The player character: Did we won? I cant see
@gleadr6869
11 ай бұрын
This was a really good one! Blues were a bit better but both are outstanding. Keep these types of things coming. DF is great so far.
@kuroakuma4459
11 ай бұрын
And here I was hoping it would be Ebyssian as the new aspect from the start. I'm glad it's going to be him and the other two realized they aren't fit for such a position
@sa3vus
Жыл бұрын
And this shows that Blizzard still has "it" when writing characters. Ebyssian has been given great character development, and it's just fitting for him to become the new Earth Aspect.
@emetanti
Жыл бұрын
They can write decent enough when the story itself is a bit lower on the scale, it just really seems to fall apart the moment they try to do something on a larger scope.
@distorted7481
Жыл бұрын
How long before hes turned into a raid boss?
@Dremag_Gaming
Жыл бұрын
Nice to see. Wasn't 100% sure on it since I figure he would've turned the chance down.
@SirBuljo
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah, I knew it would be him as soon as the bickering began. And i don't mind at all... Ebyssian has earned his patience. The patience of the earth...
@soggybiscuit4208
Жыл бұрын
The outcome - no matter how predictable is still the best. The way they relinquished their desire for the aspect position too was done really well. Long live the new Aspect of the Black - Ebyssisn.
@LightBrand
Жыл бұрын
Go tell Huln in Ardenweald that ya boi made it to the big league.
@bigmike2464
Жыл бұрын
I had a feeling this would happen. the best choice for certain; I want the conversations between Ebyssian, Baine and Anduin about their father's legacies.........
@lord_pamperin4233
Жыл бұрын
My dream outcome!🎉
@karreidas366
Жыл бұрын
This is the right thing for black dragonflight
@irony9318
Жыл бұрын
Ebyssian coronation ceremony commence. New model for his black dragonflight aspect.
@nielmaceda5303
11 ай бұрын
I wish when he recieve his Titan Boon Ebyssian's Horns become like that of High Moutain in his Dragon Form. It would be cool for a black Dragon to have Moose horns.
@serpentstings
Жыл бұрын
Best possible outcome
@UncrownedKingDante
Жыл бұрын
Love these cutscenes man. Don't know if WoW ever had so much emotions in ingame cutscenes.
@kyleellis1825
Жыл бұрын
Can't even be mad at Ebyssian for hiding out during MoP/WoD. He's been right of the thick of things and is no longer hiding from responsiblity.
@Xeeni87
Жыл бұрын
something is fishy about ebyssian! i cant put my finger on it but he always escapes the big battles for something and he left those two in the new raid ... its like he is planning smething also his face looks like a skull? can it be Bwonsamdi?looks very much the same face style painting/tattoo w/e plotting or something xD
@GioFan201051
Жыл бұрын
He always escapes the big battles because he never wanted to meddle. It's his whole arc: From hiding in highmountain to realizing that he don't get to hide. But I like conspiracies in WoW too, so I'm not opposing you or anything 😀
@Xeeni87
Жыл бұрын
@@GioFan201051 im just saying maybe he didnt want us to see something XD even in new raid he went off and didnt join them both maybe it would have revealed something he didn't want us to see xD all others knew he was a dragon. just saying something is off about him!
@JMaverick67
Жыл бұрын
he's not a fighter by nature, and he let the brothers go into Abberus to find their own answers unfiltered by anyone else. he'll make a fine Aspect
@SrChr778
Жыл бұрын
And everyone was disappointed that the end Raid cinematic was too short? Well, they forgot the include THIS part.
@jffrancis8689
Жыл бұрын
FINALLY!!!!!!! the one and only aspect worthy black dragon in the whole game , little sad for wrathion but hey never know in the future :P
@zofiadyl2821
Жыл бұрын
I know the Ebysian will be an aspect.
@Madlander
Жыл бұрын
Oh thank the Loa, i was afraid they were going to make Sabellian a villian. We have a history with him and I'm glad they didn't take him down that path.
@DEUS_VULT_INFIDEL
Жыл бұрын
Saw it coming a mile away, the one who doesn't want the crown has it thrust upon them. It's basic, but after the narrative wreck of the Shadowlands basic comes as no surprise.
@hugofernandes3262
Жыл бұрын
I'd rather have a straightforward story than a convoluted one that "subverts expectations" for the sake of it.
@DEUS_VULT_INFIDEL
Жыл бұрын
@@hugofernandes3262 Yeah, hence my lack of surprise.
@FratinandMadrik
Жыл бұрын
Seems like this should've been the cutscene at the end of Aberrus
@BadassHater1
Жыл бұрын
Kinda makes sense that the new Aspect of the Earth would have to be the tauren
@dillene
Жыл бұрын
Yay!
@falconer7447
Жыл бұрын
Even when im team Sabellian fully for a 100%...i accept this choice. For Ebyssian as Earth-Warder!!!!!!
@Valkyreon
Жыл бұрын
This is the storytelling I hoped for during Shadowlands. The characters and their motivations are believable. The dialogue was well written. The pacing was just right. And Ebyssian was set up very well.
@alphaghoul
Жыл бұрын
Ha! I was right the first time! Council of three! Although it feels like this was resolved too soon.
@aleksandarvil5718
Жыл бұрын
MOOse Humanoid as Black Dragon Aspect
@MegaAstroFan18
6 ай бұрын
I took all this to mean Neltharion had begun to go mad long long ago. Like Loken he resisted at first, and in his case it led to him being terrified of the horrors of reality, just like Sargeras and Zovaal. But he initially was trying to fight against them, not realizing he was growing more and more desperate and becoming N'zoth's puppet. And so there really is no legacy of Neltharion to claim, only Deathwing. The real Neltharion was lost long long ago, before the Demon Soul, before Raszageth, he was the greatest mistake of the Titans and gave the Old Gods their perfect herald. I still like to believe that imprisoning the dracthyr instead of killing them was one of the last vestiges of Neltharion clinging on as Deathwing consumed his mind. One tiny bit of him felt fatherly pride for the dracthyr and was able to save them from himself.
@MrRyanfisher
Жыл бұрын
Ebonhorn is a good fit.
@datlenohana9389
Жыл бұрын
When I was sitting there after Sabellian and Wrathion charged into Aberrus, seeing that Ebyssian chose to not follow and rather stayed with Emberthal, my only thoughts were "That's my Aspekt". He was such a great leader during the quests about their flyght and the Dracthyr. This moment, when the 2 "petulant whelps" declared unworthy to be aspects and gave up their fight over the throne, that moment made me cry.
@KamiPain75
Жыл бұрын
Finally Blizzard telling a story. The old Blizz would have left us on a cliffhanger for next expansion.
@TimeyWimey.
Жыл бұрын
Why do I get the feeling that Ebyssian is going to die horribly? Maybe not soon but characters like him usually meet gruesome fates.
@definitelynotblitzcrank5566
Жыл бұрын
Out of curiousity. How come we get these videos now when the Aberrus raid has been out for a week or two? What makes these cutscenes happen if not the raid completion?
@emetanti
Жыл бұрын
Timegated by Blizzard, the last chapter of the campaign was locked till now, mostly to give a bit of time for people to go through the raid to have some more context.
@definitelynotblitzcrank5566
Жыл бұрын
@@emetanti Thanks :)
@medramonmasquedecendres2966
Жыл бұрын
Go Ebyssian, go !!!!!!
@abyssalserpent3679
Жыл бұрын
Dammit, there goes my hopes of Chromie becoming the next Earth-Warder. Kappa.
@roybarron7806
Жыл бұрын
I'm actually glad Ebyssian got picked and glad we met him on Legion
@phy-raditz
11 ай бұрын
I was actually hoping for it since Ebyssian wasn't fixated on leading it while wrath and sab was, he was fixated on saving azeroth and helping dracthyr
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