A hidden gem in the Blichmann catalog is the Command Stand. BrewCommander, Therminator, RipTide and even the flow meter can all mount on the stand. Kind of expensive at $199, but all you have to do is bolt it together and bolt everything on the stand.
@BitterRealityBrewing
11 ай бұрын
"It's a lot of stuff!" I fully agree, as that shocked me when I first received it. The Surface is 18 lbs without anything attached. (Someone had asked me, so I had to weigh my tri-clamp version Surface). I agree with the spot welds, as I have a small spot, but I blamed myself. I have the surface version BrewEasy now but have yet to brew with it due to a backlog of videos. And lastly, thank you very much for the shoutouts! (I did a ton of videos just on each attachment 100% because of what you said: "It's a lot of stuff!" I was also overwhelmed initially and felt many new owners would be overwhelmed, too. (I actually walked someone through it over the phone just before I got mine.) I have been wondering with the new BoilerMaker Surface, if I could actually add a larger grain basket since the heating element isn't in the way, but there are still a few things in there. (I do the full cleaning about every 2 to 3 brews based on how far between brews, but CIP after each brew.) Added note: Never use that grain basket for hop additions! Brian had suggested it before testing it, and I actually tested it on camera, and it was a nightmare as it was never intended to be used for hops.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Your videos were my number one resource!
@mkeysou812
11 ай бұрын
I've never been a fan of the Blichmann system - fiddly, overly complicated and emphasis on stuff that doesn't really matter to most home brewers at the expense of stuff that does. I use a Brewzilla gen 4 which is so easy to use and has very granular control with its RAPT system. It's also way more efficient and can brew a higher volume than the Blichmann, which is what brewers are most concerned about
@ElementaryBrewingCo
11 ай бұрын
Looks like a neat system, I’m a sucker for extra gadgets but cleaning is never fun 😂 That Riptide pump though 😍 I really want one of those, cheers 🍻
@grahamhawes7089
11 ай бұрын
I love mine, it’s a beast, wish I had gone triclamp though.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
It's a balancing act! If you find value in them then great but sometimes thats not the case.
@beeroquoisnation
11 ай бұрын
Great Video Apartment Brewer. I have a Brew Easy Classic 2 vessel system and enjoy it. The Riptide and the Brew Commander were the reason I bought the system. I really wanted triclamp ports on my pots, but they weren't available at the time a little over 3 years ago. I nearly bought the Clawhammer at the time, but the Brew Easy system was close in price and closer to a 3 vessel system. I didn't really want a 3 vessel system, but by purchasing the Brew Easy if I need to add a vessel it was going to be a minor addition. I have 3 systems now, and I use them exclusively as kettle RIMS systems. The Blichmann false bottom is another well made invaluable addition to my brewing. I was lucky enough to discover Blichmann's 15 gallon false bottom fit my Bru Gear15 gallon mashtun, rounding out my fleet. Cheers.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
I think the breweasy classic is a very interesting design and I can see how it is a great transition from 3-vessel brewing.
@HOMEBREW4LIFE
11 ай бұрын
Great video Braj!
@BlichmannEngineering
11 ай бұрын
We are SO thankful for you both, and the other industry leaders that continue to inspire the love of brewing. Cheers to you all!
@blackwoodbrews
11 ай бұрын
Looks like this will be on my upgrade wishlist from the Anvil Foundry. I’ve been looking at the Compact Surface or Clawhammer 240v system. 🍻🍻🍻
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Both systems are a pretty big upgrade from the foundry, but the breweasy compact surface would probably feel more familiar to you.
@curtpick628
11 ай бұрын
Great review Steve. Convinced me not to buy it. Just to busy of a system for me. To much cleaning. I enjoy my Anvil because of its ease of use and cleaning. And still makes wonderful wort. I did upgrade to the Riptide as the Anvil pump died around 40 brews. Take care.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Yeah there are a lot of parts and pieces. Great for some folks but not for others.
@NWsmallbatchBrewing
11 ай бұрын
Nice comparisons. Good job threading the needle and keeping about the pros/cons depending on each persons needs.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Thank you! Whether or not you like this type of system is highly dependent on what kind of brewer you are.
@jt4180
11 ай бұрын
I’m so glad you did this comparison. I was really considering this system but I think I’ll stick with the ClawHammer. I do not like all the extra cleaning & being limited on grain/volume. Be cool if ClawHammer did a model upgrade… tri-clamp fittings, whirlpool port, sight glass & update the controller to name a few.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
I'm hoping they do that eventually - it would really make for a hell of a system!
@option311
11 ай бұрын
Great review. Guess I'm just a lazy brewer., or just too busy farming and doing my day job. This is why I use Anvil ferment in a kettle system, one easy to clean kettle. I've looked all these systems, as Steve says it's not the equipment its the brewer. FIK It fits in a fridge for lagaering, thermo well and rack arm and a quick kettle clean when done fermenting . Love all this stuff, but at the end of the day all that cleaning is time I just don't have.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
That is a very cool system! There is no perfect brewing setup for everyone, so you just gotta get good at what you have. Cheers!
@gregorystephens9669
11 ай бұрын
I think the cone shape to the basket allows room for all the gadgets / ports at the bottom. They sacrificed mash capacity for this. If the entire kettle were a bit taller they could have a cylinder basket and no problems with larger grain bills. Then the ports would all sit under the basket. Maybe in the next model…
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Accurate. It's a space equation but a slightly bigger kettle basket combo would fix this whole problem
@BuckRogers2491
11 ай бұрын
Same mash basket as the Brew Easy Compact. It's conical so that it has plenty of room between the basket and the BoilCoil, which is very much appreciated. Since Blichmann is now offering it separately, I purchased one for my 15 gallon G2. Brian with Short Circuited Brewers tested it with 18lbs and that maxed it out.
@GentleGiantFan
11 ай бұрын
Great review. I appreciate the comparison heat up times you mentioned. I have the Blichmann linear valve on my boil kettle. Super easy to clean. I'd like to have the 20g Surface as a single eKettle to replace my 3V propane setup. I think a simple bag and false bottom (to reduce scorching the grain) would be a better option vs Blichmann's tapered basket.
@wrayzor97
11 ай бұрын
I currently using the Clawhammer system for my homebrew setup. I’ve used the Blichmann 1bbl 3 vessel system with the ripe tide pump and the Therminator chiller for about 20 brews and really enjoyed it. Now I’m graduated up to the Blichmann 3.5 bbl 3 vessel system for which I’ve been brewing with it for 18 months and not a single issue. Blichmann makes really good quality brewing equipment. Steve makes a great point about being over engineered because they are definitely over engineered. The only downside I see to this system is the grain basket. I’m sure it’s coned shape is because of the ports and gadgets that are cool but it does hinder your ability to higher gravity beers. 🍻🍻🍻
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
They do make really good gear that does last a long time, I agree. If the kettle and basket were just a bit larger, this whole issue would be resolved.
@marklpaulick
11 ай бұрын
Great vid, appreciate you giving a good amount of opinion commentary in addition to the facts. 14 lbs real grain capacity is a big no go for me. No way to make 5 gallons of a double IPA… what are we even doing here!?!!?
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Yup, that is a pretty obvious issue.
@brandoespinoza8091
11 ай бұрын
Ever heard of a reiterated mash?
@marklpaulick
11 ай бұрын
@@brandoespinoza8091 of course. I’ve done it. Not inretested in the extra effort.
@BEERNBBQBYLARRY
11 ай бұрын
I've had some similar experiences with mine. Main gripe is the limited grain capacity, cleaning hassle, and having to keep that probe inserted. Decent system, but I still prefer my BrewEasy Surface Classic. More robust and easier to clean especially for someone like me that also does not have a nearby slop sink to spray clean that mesh basket. Regarding the little o-ring, I had to order a replacement package of them from Amazon because they do tear easily if you do not lube them. Since I use the the Brewcommander probe for both the Classic and Compact BrewEasies, they tear too often.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Glad we agree! I like the concept of the surface element design but the basket can be a pain. Have you tried using the breweasy thermowell instead of just replacing the o-rings all the time?
@BEERNBBQBYLARRY
11 ай бұрын
@@TheApartmentBrewer I don’t have one, but I might get one so I no longer have to bother with it.
@brianpylant4617
9 ай бұрын
If you're talking about the little o-ring on the outside of the thermometer housing, do you happen to have a link?
@patrickglaser1560
11 ай бұрын
Scorched my last beer due to the immersed element in my brew easy classic
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Its too easy to do if you're not paying attention.
@patrickglaser1560
11 ай бұрын
@@TheApartmentBrewer 4 extra gallons to boil off... always battling volumes with my brew
@bradygallagher1272
11 ай бұрын
Automate the boil is a misnomer. It’s a pay attention to the schedule to add hops at the right time when the controller beeps system.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
That's fair, although the mash control is quite powerful
@grahamhawes7089
11 ай бұрын
I’ve been thinking about this as a long-term upgrade from my Foundry, which I love. I really want to move to triclamp and away from gross ball valves. It’d double as my HLT when I do 10-gallon batches. Biggest con is cleaning all the attachments… the sight glass, recirc arm, and flow meter look like pains in the butt. Hopefully CIP works well. That o-ring “thermowell” is also a nightmare, they shouldn’t ship with that - dragging a probe around during cleaning to avoid leaks!? No thank you. Nice that there’s no element to clean though. Overall I’m still on the fence. As much as I HATE cleaning the grain pipe and the ball valve of my early-model Foundry, it still makes great beer, and I should probably just use it until it dies. I’ve got 50+ brews on it by now!
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
I think if you are coming from a foundry this will be an easier transition. It's a great system as long as you commit to cleaning it. My advice though is if you know your current system well and it makes great beer, just thoroughly assess why you'd want to upgrade first.
@caseyalderson2780
11 ай бұрын
Great review! Unfortunately I can confirm the mesh basket construction issue as at minimum a two off issue.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Well thats frustrating. Hopefully there is a reliable solution for future baskets
@Hallslys
11 ай бұрын
Hey, you should check out the brewtools b40 and b80 brewing systems. I use a B80 + an F80 unitank. This system looks like it belongs in the 90's if you compare it to a brewtools system. Brewtools uses all tri-clamps vs. this system which relies heavily on threaded connections.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Those look like phenomenal systems. The proprietary tri-clamp really puts me off though. The only threaded connection on the breweasy is the thermowell. All the others are o-ring based with a threaded tightener that never touches wort. I'm in no position to try out a _third_ system, but the brewtools systems look like Ferraris.
@januszkszczotek8587
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the interesting review and comparison. If I were in the market for a new system, I would go for the Blichmann. Unfortunately neither system is available in the EU except for a copycat version of the Clawhammer system. Cheers!
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Thats a shame, wish they could ship overseas!
@BlichmannEngineering
11 ай бұрын
We do work with several European retailers like Browland and a few others, but hope that is at least a help.
@j0hnb0y1000
11 ай бұрын
Nice review. Shame neither the Blichmann nor Clawhammer are available in the UK
@grahamhawes7089
11 ай бұрын
You guys have some great AIO options over there as well, Braumeister and Grainfather come to mind
@andrebvs1994ctba
11 ай бұрын
Hey man, i been watching your videos and thank you for all your great knowledge! I'm wanting to make your festbier and a traditional recipe of witbier. I can't drink until March, which is also when I have my 30th birthday, and I wanted to make these beers to celebrate I'm Brazilian and i finally managed to control my fermentation temperature. I got a backup fridge for the garage. The room temperature is in the 90ºF ballpark and my fermentation fridge can go reliably to 49ºF I have some questions and the local brew shop isn't very helpful (like when they told me water chemistry doesn't matter because the malt and hops overpowered the water), so if you don't mind, I have a couple questions. 1) I'm going to bottle it. I should let the beer lagger in the fermentation bucket or in the bottles? The fermentation bucket feels better to avoid getting the beer unclear during transportation after laggering. Im not a particular fan of yeast cake... But do I need yeast for bottling or I can bottle normally? I'm want to use Lallemand diamond 2) In my current setup in this time of the year, my temperature options are 49ºF or the room temperature in 85ºF to 96ºF Can I make a diacetyl rest in that high of the temperature or it will throw odd flavors? 3) Can I ferment the witbier with Lallemand wit in thar low temperature of 49ºF? I kinda have access to all Lallemand dry yeast line. I can use the kveik but if possible I rather make a true lagger and a true wit. But if not possible, I can use the kveik.
@TheApartmentBrewer
10 ай бұрын
Congratulations on the upcoming birthday and brews! To answer your questions - 1) I would recommend lagering in the bottles, as you are less likely to have oxidation problems that way. Just bottle, naturally carbonate as usual, and then lager upright as long as possible and leave the yeast chunks in the bottom of the bottle when pouring. I don't think you'll need additional yeast. 2) Can you hook the fridge up to a cheap temperature controller like an inkbird? That would help you fine tune. A long fermentation at 49 will probably still have some diacetyl but 85 is way too hot for a freshly fermented lager. 3) I am not sure about fermenting the wit at that low of a temperature, it might stall on you. If you can set up a temperature controller for the fridge you will be all right through.
@RiggerBrew
11 ай бұрын
Blickman relies on a LOT of o-rings with a lot of their products. I spent time measuring them and ordering extras from other sources as they want to overcharge for a few o-rings. When the o-rings are lubed (just with water) things work well.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
That's a good idea
@brianpylant4617
9 ай бұрын
Do you happen to have any part numbers (McMaster-Carr, etc.) or links for the various o-rings? Specifically the one on the outside of the thermometer housing, which broke during my last brewday.
@KevinPeffley
11 ай бұрын
Wow, excellent review. I’m using the Clawhammer 120v system, I’m wondering if you have a detailed review of that also. Yesterday I completed my second batch with the Clawhammer. I have had temperature control issues with it using the Thermowell, and I finally decided to just keep the temperature probe in the kettle. Because of my concerns with temperature control, I also used a ChefMate probe, one probe on the outside of the basket and the other in the mash. My grain bill was 11 lbs, aiming for a mash temperature of 150F. Right away the temperature climbed to 160, even though my set temperature was 150F, and there were wide temperature differences between each probe. We stirred the mash several times to bring the temperature down,and we even lifted the grain basket a few times to loosen the mash and allow for better circulation. Quite a pain. We stood there for the full hour babysitting the mash trying to determine how to get the temperature down to 150F. The result was a highly efficient mash at 1.075, but I didn’t expect to put in this amount of work. I’m wondering if you’ve had a similar experience with the Clawhammer system. Please recommend your review if you have one.
@robertscott6615
11 ай бұрын
Have you ran a auto tune yet?
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Auto tune is exactly what I would recommend. Also I would recommend doing a temperature probe calibration check with some boiling water and then adjust in the controller menus as necessary
@KevinPeffley
11 ай бұрын
@@TheApartmentBrewer Yes, absolutely. I’ve done an A/T a few times and once the day before the brew.
@KevinPeffley
11 ай бұрын
@@TheApartmentBrewer Also, I compared the temperatures between the Clawhammer probe and my ChefMate, and they matched exactly.
@keithpoolehomecoffeeroasti489
11 ай бұрын
Yeah the cleaning was what I thought of when you started the video
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
LOTS of parts!
@roderickroderick7216
11 ай бұрын
You mentioned the rotating dip tube to remove wart without the trub. Question - -Do you set the angle before hand? If so how do you know where? -Do you rotate it at the end to get the last bit out? I have no idea how to set mine in my fermenter, as I have no idea how much trub will be at the bottom when it's done.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Usually I just set mine before but if you keep the triclamp connection relatively loose (it will still hold a seal) you can rotate it as you are transferring to keep it out of the way.
@JohnL9013
11 ай бұрын
I feel like this system has a lot of fundamentally good designs aspects that were muddled by other poor design choices and then shoddy execution (mainly, the grain basket sucks). Thermowell should have been the default option, same with the three-way valve allowing simultaneous WP/recirc as the riptide flows WAY more than you can send up top anyway. Sight glass should be an option along with the flow meter. There's just too much effort put into non-value added accessories. The one I would really like to see compared against the Clawhammer is the SVBS. Personally I brew with a Unibrau V3 that's been modded quite a bit. I'm using a bag inside a modified extended basket with a whirlpool arm and a thermowell in the bottom of the kettle along with a riptide pump. It's not perfect but has its positives over most of the off the shelf systems. It's good enough to get cool clean wort into my fermentor. The real magic happens from there.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
There's so many systems out there using this general concept, I wish I could try them all but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. I think there are some things though that could go into the next version of the breweasy compact.
@poisonpotato1
10 ай бұрын
Looks like you have to remove the recirculating arm to lift the basket? Is that fairly simple to do
@TheApartmentBrewer
9 ай бұрын
That is correct, yes its a simple O-ring push fit
@andybryson3887
11 ай бұрын
You never mentioned the Braumeister Brew Kettle, which is what I have. Where would this fit into your categories?
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
I would consider the Braumeister to be in the same tier as this system.
@BellofattoBrews
10 ай бұрын
I just recently purchased the Clawhammer 10.5 gal 120v system and I’m starting to think I made a mistake in the 120v. I do have access to 240v but thought going worth the 120 wouldn’t restrict me as much to areas where I can have my brew day. It’s being delivered to me on the 18th of this month. Should I just send back and get the 240v? Just curious on your feelings on the two. I understand it will make my brew day long due to heat up times and I my main concern is the boil doing it’s job.
@TheApartmentBrewer
10 ай бұрын
So I happily used the 120V setup for many years, it still has that portability factor with the gfci plug which is super useful. But the 240V is a powerhouse on heat up times. If you can swing it I'd recommend getting the 240V controller and element later since you can easily swap between the two
@BellofattoBrews
10 ай бұрын
@@TheApartmentBrewer thanks, I will in the future I’m sure.
@brianpylant4617
9 ай бұрын
Do you happen to have links to Short Circuited or Bitter Reality talking about the three-way valve for recirculating through both the recirc arm and the whirlpool? I can't find anything where they talk about that... thanks!
@TheApartmentBrewer
9 ай бұрын
I don't remember specifically when he showed this but its in the brew day videos they did with it
@brianpylant4617
9 ай бұрын
Cool, thanks... between the two of them they don't have a ton of videos with the BE Compact, so I'll go lookin'! Was already thinking of doing something similar, and I know it's not complicated... just want to see how others have connected everything to make sure I'm doing it the best way. Cheers!
@brianpylant4617
9 ай бұрын
Found it! kzitem.info/news/bejne/qnlqsZaQn2V8fYY
@PatrickSandy78
10 ай бұрын
Have some anvil stuff.
@leroygross9144
11 ай бұрын
I think you don't have to take everything apart to clean it, since it's sealed if you think about it. I won't go for the clawhammer one
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
You say that, then you have to experience cleaning beerstone out of a triclamp connection so you can take it off or rotate it. It's not typically a sanitary problem, more because of the buildup of crap. Not a pleasant experience if you let it go for a while, trust me.
@leroygross9144
11 ай бұрын
Yes I guess I was wrong again🤭 just toke something apart and it had beer Stone on it, always Something To Learn 😄
@finspin4984
11 ай бұрын
What efficiency were you seeing?
@finspin4984
11 ай бұрын
25:40 he answers this
@indiekiduk
11 ай бұрын
mesh basket seems a really odd design choice
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Probably designed that way to fit around all the hardware and ports at the bottom
@JohnnyReverse
11 ай бұрын
They dropped the ball not making this with a bottom drain or a side drain of sorts.
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
Agreed! A center drain would have been awesome
@JohnnyReverse
11 ай бұрын
@@TheApartmentBrewer yeah I mean the advertise as "easier to clean" but like you said, that thing is fn heavy. They took one part out that needs cleaning.. Bad design. On another subject, is one able to use a brew bag on this system, or would that possibly scortch?
@TheApartmentBrewer
11 ай бұрын
I would probably try to keep it off the bottom directly but otherwise should probably be fine
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