I rode my 1200 then the 1250 back to back and I like the power difference but I prefer the feel and sound of the 1200 , both are superb riding machines and Im keeping the 1200 !
@hueyvan2007
4 жыл бұрын
It is interesting how the poorer or inferior brakes on the 1250 are glossed over and the rest where the 1200 is worse off is significant. 3 meters into the vehicle in front of you can mean death but 1 second slower acceleration is neither here nor there.
@MarkDrummond
5 жыл бұрын
Lots of small things to criticize on the R1200GS (I have a 2016): Lack of back-lit controls on a bike at this price point is a pretty serious oversight, the switch gear in general has little feel, especially with gloves on, the instrument display is very hard to read in sun glare (TFT screen fixes that), no factory heated seat option, only one power point... all minor points but minor points are major points at this price level. I had no idea the 1250 wasn't using Brembos. After riding the 1250 for 4-5 hours on and off road, IMO the extra power was noticeable but not a selling point. One thing I have never done is lamented the "lack of power" on my 1200. Fix the small things!
@petertakov
5 жыл бұрын
I like how we are told that the 1200 is a bit "breathless" and the fuelling is rather jerky only AFTER the 1250 appears and is claimed to have fixed that. Until now the 1200 was perfect :-))
@petertakov
5 жыл бұрын
@will M Noooo, the "journos" are probably not. Not sure about those two, though. That said, they don't have much of a choice, really. In order to stand out in this flood of information they need to be amongst the first to publish and the only way to do that is to be given access by the manufacturer himself. Obviously, the manufacturer will only give access to a selected few - selected by him.
@poulan9
5 жыл бұрын
Journos know if they say a bike is shit then the manufacturer won't give them an exclusive next year or pay for the launch weekend flights and hotel to the Algarve in Portugal. So yeah, they're corrupt.
@poulan9
5 жыл бұрын
Another reason why the journos aren't pitting this machine against any other marque...as if the only choices for bikes in the world are BMW or BMW.
@kuhndj67
5 жыл бұрын
I like journalists being enthusiastic for new bikes... I tend to attribute it to the 'new bike smell' and keep it in mind when I shop. ;-) The boxer is a stout motor but it does run out of steam right around the rpm when the higher HP bikes are starting to scream. I find myself bouncing off the rev limiter quite a bit on the R1200's... so it's not like power goes flat, but bikes like the Multi and XR have this feeling of THRUST as they range above 7500rpm that the 1200 lacks.
@poulan9
5 жыл бұрын
@@kuhndj67 So you like to see manufacturers claim improved fuel economy over the outgoing model, journos see the opposite, brush it off. Manufacturers change the brakes which perform worse than the outgoing model, and journos brush that off.
@fiveowaf454
5 жыл бұрын
As a 1200GS Rallye owner, I really enjoyed the comparison. I only got mine new in May of this year, so was interested to see what I missed out on by not waiting for a 2019. The new engine is more evolution than anything too radical, so I'm still more than happy with my purchase.
@auscurrymaster
5 жыл бұрын
First proper back-to-back review I've seen: really excellent. Simon Hargreaves is a class act journo as well. Miss his wonderful writing in "BIKE" magazine.
@DirtyTaxman
5 жыл бұрын
finally someone who actually does a proper testing and comparison. Good job
@curtisbarker5657
5 жыл бұрын
These bikes are far to heavy and gaining (cc's) weight. When all an adventure bike rider is a twin cylinder 50 hp bike for nimble off roading. And an easy lift when ya drop the bike. The art of Overselling the customer starts at the factory and keeps going to the dealers
@tubejorrit
5 жыл бұрын
Pretending shiftcam is some new technology while Honda has been using it since the 90's called VTEC.
@1glopz
5 жыл бұрын
new in motorcycles?
@tubejorrit
5 жыл бұрын
@@1glopz No Honda has the VFR 800 with v-tec that was made around 2000
@beemrdon52
4 жыл бұрын
These "airheads" are getting too complicated.
@Incountry
4 жыл бұрын
tubejorrit And in cars it was 10 years before that..! Even Yamaha/toyota did it in late 80s
@incognito8219
4 жыл бұрын
Since the 80's*
@Oldfogey2014
5 жыл бұрын
The difference between the 1200 and 1250 is too marginal for me. Good time to buy a second hand 1200, while the rich set are salivating at the 1250.
@maxflight777
5 жыл бұрын
Oldfogey Oldfogey I couldn’t disagree more. In my opinion there is a massive difference. The better gearbox/quickshifter alone is worth the cost to change. I’m so glad I sold my 1200 and utterly loved the 1250GS.
@roadglide
4 жыл бұрын
And you don’t need to be rich either. Just put your priorities in order.
@samsara3694
4 жыл бұрын
@@maxflight777 no change in the gearbox/quickshifter between the outgoing version of the 1200 - the 2017.5 - and the 1250.
@maxflight777
3 жыл бұрын
@@samsara3694 I’m sorry , that’s an idiotic claim. It’s like night and day.
@samsara3694
3 жыл бұрын
@@maxflight777Yes, it's night and day difference, for bikes pre the 2017.5 1200 and the 1250. The major change in the gsp was introduced in the 2017.5 models. But no real offense taken.
@matto.1074
4 жыл бұрын
Eye of the beholder... paint on the 1250 is gorgeous!!!!
@pechorin1975
5 жыл бұрын
If you want a GS, just wait until early spring when all the low-mile, rarely-seen-dirt 2013-2018 examples start showing up on Craigslist for massive discounts off original MSRP, tossed aside by those who have to have the latest and greatest. It may not be new, but it'll do exactly the same thing as the new ones.
@xizel
5 жыл бұрын
Get an urban GS and install propper suspension on it and you are good to go :)
@tommyfogarty
5 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a 2000mile, just factory-serviced 2018 GS with Touratech Paniers and crash bars for $20,000 out the door. Case in point.
@aidanpysher2764
4 жыл бұрын
I bought a 9k mile 2015 GS with the premium and touring package for only 16k back in February of 2019. It's the best bike I've ever ridden. I think the 1200 is a much better bike than the 1250, when looking at it from a simplicity and complexity balance, as well as a fit and finish standard.
@mattcoyne3923
5 жыл бұрын
How about the same straight line shoot out with the R1200 GS actually warmed up...? The red line on the the TFT dash on the R1200GS was at 7000 RPM... at 2.36 mins in the video. I have ridden both bikes, they are both awesome but I am afraid to say I would not buy a R1250 if you already have a 2016 onwards R1200. It simply isn't worth the extra money just yet to change. Also, like others have said the Brembos fitted to the R1200 are MUCH better. Performance isn't all about power and cc's...
@oknevals
5 жыл бұрын
I don't understand some review points and comments below either. This is touring adventure bike. It is not race bike. The purpose of touring bike is to cover huge number of miles daily in relative comfort, with relative economy (meaning lower revs at higher speeds). Adventure part means ability to carry significant luggage and have decent suspension to go off road or just more comfort on dirt road. It needs to be heavy to fight wind and to have big tank for range. If somebody is looking for a dirt bike or race bike, well, go look for bikes in those categories. This change is mostly for marketing purposes to create some buzz as there is barely, if any competition in this category.
@TonVerkleijT3
4 жыл бұрын
Statistically the 1250 is a better bike, in real life there is not much difference, especially when riding on small back roads. The 1200 still is no slough and personally I am very happy with my triple black LC adventure.
@UhYeahWhateverDude
5 жыл бұрын
Not sure why these guys are so surprised about the caliper change. Brembo owns Hayes’ Brake Components Division; they have for over ten years. And since Brembo just pumped 32 million pounds into a production facility in Mexico that is pumping out their calipers for this market, I’m sure the financial upside is good for them.
@MrPaulo1400
5 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison. Please do the same with the Multistrada 1200 enduro and the 1260 enduro. There are some ergonomics differences but it could be interesting to compare the engines as well.
@BryanM63
3 жыл бұрын
Your fuel consumption experience is similar to what I've seen with my 2020 R1250rs, which replaced my 2018 R1200rs. The 1200 was slightly better using on average 4.7L/100 to the 1250's 4.9L/100 The RS is also still fitted with brembos which maybe a reflection on the leaking issues BMW have had with the Hayes units.
@loris199
5 жыл бұрын
awesome review, answers to pretty much all the questions a potential 1250 client wanted to know thanks from Italy
@SadaEKE
5 жыл бұрын
3 metres can mean the difference between being in perfect shape and being in a coffin. You guys shrugged it off like nothing but this is quite a back step, especially when you consider 1250 is faster.
@bsmukler
5 жыл бұрын
This was a good round of testing. I was impressed with both bikes on the dyno test regarding how close the power at the back wheel came to the claimed torque and horsepower at the crank. That suggests a really efficient drivetrain design. There was certainly nothing wrong with the old engine, but I have ridden both and it is true that you can clearly feel the increase of power and the consistency of power delivery across the rev and load range. Also, I think the new front calipers are fine, and you need to keep in mind that the tires are different as well. Again, great video!
@beemrdon52
4 жыл бұрын
Good point
@maximusmiles8435
4 жыл бұрын
In the 20-25 years you've known mark, He never told you the difference between BHP and RWHP? The minimal drivetrain loss is impressive.
@dr.mtastic6548
Ай бұрын
The manufacturer claimed hp is at the crank, and you are measuring the rear wheel output. The fact the bmw is only losing about 5% through the shaft is really impressive.
@alan36753
5 жыл бұрын
Hilarious, every microscopic improvement was called "notably better" but the extra ten feet+ braking distance of the new bike (which in the real world is a stop or crash into something factor) was dismissed with "the new brakes possibly felt better". All the people praising this report need to remove your BMW blinkers and bear this in mind, if these hacks slate a model then we won’t buy it and they won’t be invited to the next free holiday, sorry I meant unbiased press review. (In a nutshell just about as reliable as BBC news)
@HumbertoYi0878
5 жыл бұрын
Alan Hopkins did you even bother to listen to them? They flat out stated the test was only performed once, which is why they dismissed it. If it’s repeatable, I get it. I’m more curious why they only did it once, instead of proclaiming this as a fact.
@conradangel8602
5 жыл бұрын
I agree the brake test is not make me feel comfortable. Its hard for those guys to be objective since they are dependent on BMW
@mikesimpson6757
5 жыл бұрын
Not a BMW guy....just a interesting comparison. Now you sound like a BMW hater. What do you ride, a Vespa?
@gkm3838
4 жыл бұрын
FYI: I've owned both these models now. I have had the 1250 for 12 months and the Brembo brakes on the older model (2015) were better than the newer ones. Not a great deal better but you can notice it.
@hemansx
4 жыл бұрын
*puts on tinfoil hat* Bennets is an insurance company, so they'd rather you bought the more expensive and newer bike which will cost more to insure and make them more money
@phil2443
5 жыл бұрын
Great review. Just ordered my new 1250 Exclusive TE from Lovett's of Bristol, UK. Gave me a great deal. Thanks guys!
@morningbetterlast
5 жыл бұрын
My only issue with R1200GS LC is the suspension which is incredible harsh on potholes at times, never had any issues with the engine and power delivery. Sure KTM 1290S & R are way faster, yet they are also chain drive and are completely different beast. No suspension improvements, no weight reduction, no comfort add-ons. I'd love to see that heated seat, Triumph Tiger has one. And then you get the Hayes brakes. Those were crap even on the mountain bikes and people would replace those quite often. I hated mine and bought a Magura as a replacement. Fail to see how did they manage to fit them on one of the most expensive touring motorcycles in the world.
@TheBenupton
5 жыл бұрын
Nice review; I really enjoyed watching it and I second that the folks at Balderston's are solid chaps, as they're just up the way from me. I do have to wonder though, why no mention of the KTMs when you talk about direct competition to the GS? I saw where the new Ducati came up, as did the Triumph, but not the Super Adventures.
@Enonymouse_
5 жыл бұрын
70 MPH is average road speed in parts of the US so I am glad you used a higher speed for a baseline. The R1250's use brakes sourced by a company called Hayes, rebranded as BMW. Beemer seems to be distancing itself from Brembro.
@i.c.y.
3 жыл бұрын
I love it how it eventually ended up in a cafe drinking coffee with a laptop and coffee pot and all the gear on with the ADV bikes in the background 🤣👊 It was a very informative video gents, we really appreciate it.
@Titan500J
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! I learned this hard lesson in the early 2000s. If you want a Cadillac, first make sure that you are earning a Cadillac income! How much does it cost for maintenance on a 1250? I do my own maintenance on my GS 1200 OC which makes it doable for me as a retiree.
@roadglide
5 жыл бұрын
Either one, it don’t matter. Once you ride a GS you will love it. These are beasts, a do-all bike for all seasons. Life’s short, just buy the damn bike. Whatever the bike.
@pablo-8401
5 жыл бұрын
Please blend in metrical units next time
@ProtomanBlues
3 жыл бұрын
No I don’t think I will
@craigurquhart7622
5 жыл бұрын
Great comparison guys! The prices are not quite as you describe. 1200GS TE is £750 ish cheaper than 1250GS TE - not sure how close they are on spec for spec
@bennettsbikesocial
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Craig, we got the prices from BMW Motorrad UK who supplied both bikes. I guess the 1200's accessories pushed the price up a little. The PCP deal will mean the 1250 is slightly more expensive per month but only by about £5.
@fiveowaf454
5 жыл бұрын
They confused the pricing by comparing a base model to a higher spec model. Because they are adding lots of extras the TE price ends up being higher than if they'd gone with a different model where many of the extras are included in the package and don't increase the price accordingly compared to buying extras separately. They should have compared a 1200 Rallye to a 1250 Rallye.
@SaferSleep
5 жыл бұрын
Good over all review, Ive just brought the 1250 GSA HP and was on a 2016 1200 GSA. Biggest thing I have noticed is the increase in power and torque. The breaking test that was done was only done once and as is with these types of test you would need to do that several times to find the result, I find the new breaks just as good if not marginally better but thats more from the feel they provide. One thing I dont like is you can't change the level of the tire pressure warning its fixed, small issue but thats all Ive found after the first week
@DennisH22A
2 жыл бұрын
so the 1250 is an improvement overall vs the 1200? and the 1200 was an improvement over an 1150? i ride all types of bikes and can appreciate most of what they offer. I am actually surprised by the 1/4 times, seemed a little slow compared to seat of the pants performance. who knows
@thesage1621
3 ай бұрын
Short , precise, and to the point. Thank you gentlemen!
@bennettsbikesocial
3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@whittywych0073
5 жыл бұрын
So it accelerates marginally better at illegal speeds, brakes marginally worse at legal speeds, does the same mpg and no longer uses the best brakes on the market for a spurious brand from the USA. Um...........
@dmail00
5 жыл бұрын
Sounds a great fit for an insurance company doesn't it?
@johnnyblaze1372
5 жыл бұрын
Best Brakes???Only Good Brand is Bremo wich are used eaven for GP.
@markjurczyk
5 жыл бұрын
BMW is saving money on breaks ? WTF
@whittywych0073
5 жыл бұрын
@@markjurczyk I totally agree with you, this is supposed to be a premium product and is priced accordingly. I guess the marketing men at BMW dont think their sales will be affected enough to warrant them fitting Brembos. Not impressed.
@leighchapman935
5 жыл бұрын
baggerly boy its weird because they have Brembo on the back and BMW on the front🤔
@robdove4105
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting to me is the big increase in power and over a broader range. Take away the 1200 was not a bad bike and the 1250 is an improvement in evolution. Many makers are not able to make improvements like this to an already good bike. I just bought a 1250 RT if they were still making the 1200 and not the 1250 I would have likely have bought a 1200. Looks like a great bike to own either way you go.
@JohnMFlores
5 жыл бұрын
Yes we need backlit buttons!
@robb8773
5 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Just the way I like them, short but very informative giving us all the numbers! Nice guys!
@thomaseberhart7304
5 жыл бұрын
Sharp and smart....At last, I despaired lately, so much fudge and wishy washy videos. Will remember this one...Thanks guys!
@mikesimpson6757
5 жыл бұрын
You guys do a great job getting down to the nuts and bolts of these two bikes and get the information out in a entertaining way. Good Job!
@neildward
5 жыл бұрын
Guys, great review. Helped me make the decision to buy the recent GSA 1200 and not a brand new GSA 1250... Also agree that its not a significant set of upgrades to justify a new 1250 bike with all the taxes !!!
@Dirtpoorhomesteader
5 жыл бұрын
yeah I went with 2018 even on the eve of press launch for 2019 model. I have no regrets.
@disekjoumoer
5 жыл бұрын
The way 95% of the people who own these bikes ride, there is absolutely no point in making such comparisons. Getting a 1250 when you have a 1200 would be simply for the image factor. If you really wanted a more powerful machine, Ducati and KTM have the answer.
@garycrumrine9538
Жыл бұрын
Hayes has a major presence in the market and I am 67, they have always been there all my life. Don't forget, the 1300 should be available this year as well. And God forbid, a new 1400 is on the way as well.
@OARotifa
6 ай бұрын
Many thanks for this guys… However, I would love to the new 1300,1250 and 1200 all together for a review like this.
@adityaprakashdevdogra8657
5 жыл бұрын
By far the best comparison review on the net uptil now. For those questioning the journalistic independence & rightly so; I think, as usual, one needs to read between the lines. For those among us who are truly interested in the real story: Make a note of the observations made in this review and then take a test ride on the 1250. Informative review thanks. Based on your review I did take a brand new GS 1250 HP out for a test ride. In fact rode it the whole day! The New Delhi Lutyens dealership was amazingly kind to give me the bike with no instructions except to have fun. I ride a 2018 GSA 1200 rallye (Low) with 13000 km on the odo. Having previously owned the Triumph Tiger 800 xrx & 1200 xc (explorer), I miss the triple. But the GSA is a far better bike to ride. As mentioned in the review I too think lack of back-lit switches is a shortfall. TOTALLY REQUIRED. Driving on indian highways/off road, at night with high beam oncoming traffic, rain splashed visors, pothole roads; finding the button/switch is probably like foraging n fumbling through a ladies handbag for something with gloves on. And I ain't a Lady n don't fancy such activity :-). My opinion post test ride: Would I like to change to the 1250..? Yes. Is the difference so much that the 2018 R1200 feels dated? Inferior..?? NO..NO..NO. So that's 1 YES vs 3 NOs. The 1200 is powerful and fun enough I think. To clarify further here's an example: I sold my brand new Tiger 1200 Explorer barely 8 months later for 60 % of the price. It hurt. But the GSA R1200 replacing it was/is far far superior. Improving my motorcycling enjoyment level significantly. This is not & will not be the case with the 1200/1250. Even though I could afford it. Period. So don't fret & waste your money. For the present anyway. Cheers
@1947roswell
5 жыл бұрын
I've just come across this channel and is awesome. What an incredible well done video. Congrats
@Brad-RB
5 жыл бұрын
I would love to see BMW make a 1000cc boxer GS with everything scaled down a bit including the weight. I own a 2016 R1200GS and the weight is my only complaint. It certainly doesn't need more power or torque. I just don't understand the push for bigger is better.
@chrisg4rr377
5 жыл бұрын
There's the new 850 and 750
@Brad-RB
5 жыл бұрын
@@chrisg4rr377 I know but I really like the boxer and shaft drive.
@MateusMN0501
5 жыл бұрын
It would be, probably, next to the same weight. Look at the F850GS, much simpler front and rear suspension, smaller engine, smaller bike at all, and almost as heavy as the 1200. Something wrong is going on with BMW.
@NULUSIOS
5 жыл бұрын
They won't re-release a small boxer they claim. And they are right actually. The 850 fills the gap nicely, although there should be a shaft version too possibly.
@Big1_
5 жыл бұрын
If you try full open gas the ktm 1290 super adventure, you will understand why i prefer ktm instead of BMW.... 1290 super adventure is 160hp, pure adrenaline, and gs is.... well... from point A to B... So yes, bigger and more is better for sure!!
@br6489
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome video but I wish your tests were a little more scientific. Why do a braking test if you're only going to do it once and then say the results don't matter? Would it have broken your budget to do the test five times?
@samrit123in
5 жыл бұрын
Great video, guys!! I wonder why BMW went with Hayes calipers instead of Brembo's, is it some kind of cost cutting? I hope not. Interesting, because you mention the new bikes costs less than the old model. Also the GS' of the recent years seem more road biased. Eager to see how this compares with the new XCA, Multi Enduro & 1290 SAR.
@samsara3694
5 жыл бұрын
Doubt that it's cost cutting. Could be due to the addition of the dynamic brake control.
@samsara3694
5 жыл бұрын
@Simon Hargreaves simon, fair enough!
@IanTed
5 жыл бұрын
Hayes are part of Brembo, I think the new brakes are better on the 1250 than my 2015 Brembos...much better feel.
@Rompless
5 жыл бұрын
Sensational review. Covers all the technical stuff brilliantly A credit to you boys.
@TucsonDude
3 жыл бұрын
As a happy 2014 GS owner, I'll keep what I have for a while longer. I don't care for electronics inside the engine casing (shift cam), nor do I like the Hayes brakes (which are under recall). If I want more performance, I'll ride my equally old (2014) BMW S1000R.
@hectorcontreras5272
5 жыл бұрын
Great review, I'm concerned about the change in brakes, Brembo brakes are top notch, I would've loved it if BMW didn't change that, faster bike, with lesser braking power... doesn't sound like the German way of doing things
@Wollestar
5 жыл бұрын
Hayes is owned by Brembo, so basically nothing changed
5 жыл бұрын
With a more complicated engine, it would have been interesting to know if the service cost have raised and if the service intervals changed as well. Nice review but I guess I stick with my R1100S -99 :)
@frankdamelio1351
5 жыл бұрын
Brembo Please....Great review....
@mrswinkyuk
5 жыл бұрын
Who buys these bikes for outright performance?
@maxflight777
5 жыл бұрын
Stan Whattmore But, if you are like me, you can get a lot of pleasure with the performance of the new bike. It’s simply more exhilarating, more fun. Isn’t that why we ride bikes? ( If it isn’, you might as well take the car for your journey)
@mattcarlson5734
5 жыл бұрын
Why cant bmw put back lit buttons on the gs? Every car has had them for 25 years. In a car you have a dome light to see. And make electric screen a option. Why they put the knob for the wind shield on the right who knows. The 1200 makes good power but 3rd gear willies should be standard on a 1200cc bike that cost $ 23,000.
@revs1550
5 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with Matt that BMW missed the mark by not back lighting the control buttons. I am constantly wondering where the buttons are at night if I haven't done any night riding in a while. I don't mind the knob for the windshield being on the right, but it would be nice to be able to adjust the windshield higher at highway speeds without fearing that you have to slow down to get the pressure off the windshield. The bottom line is you have to adjust the windshield before you get going too fast or you can't move it. As far as pulling 3rd gear wheelies, I test drove a KTM 1190 and like you say, when I cracked open the throttle in 3rd gear, the front wheel came 3 feet off the ground. I decided right then that the KTM was too fast for me and I would probably kill myself on it so I bought the R1200GSA instead and I have the best bike for me in the garage. Mine is a 2016 with a 7 year warranty so when the warranty expires I will buy another one. Mine has 43,000 kilometers and it is a great bike.
@buncobooth
5 жыл бұрын
I love the way he says it has new calipers as if it is a good thing. They are new because they are cheap. And they leak.
@alexanderprince398
4 жыл бұрын
Has this improved on the 2020 models?
@TucsonDude
3 жыл бұрын
...and under recall if I understand correctly.
@sk2283
5 жыл бұрын
liking your videos more & more, great content and presentation. good work guys keep them coming !
@triedproven9908
5 жыл бұрын
1250gs is worth the extra 50 cc's for sure. Love the analysis of the shift cam vvt.
@TucsonDude
3 жыл бұрын
Could be another point of failure.
@steve5825
Жыл бұрын
It appeared to me like they didn’t want to criticise the 1250. A 3 metre difference in stopping distance can be the difference between managing to pull up in the available space or allowing whatever caused the requirement for an emergency stop to get rid of the energy still being carried for those 3 metres - which is not going to be pleasant!
@Neketre
4 ай бұрын
50-100 test is a little misleading, the top end of the 1250 is going to have more of an effect when you’re going all the way to 100, which, how often do you need 100 to overtake? I would be curious about 40-70.
@veegerman6135
Жыл бұрын
One thing they could do to improve the 1200 is to revert to the old school large indicator switches and the right side cancel switch. Ok, tricky to figure out at first but you quickly become adept and they re so much easier to use with gloves. The tiny indicator switch on the 1200 and more modern BMW s is harder to find and successfully operate than a clitoris. Modern is nt necessarily better.
@SigfredoZamorano
4 жыл бұрын
Informative review ty +Bennetts Bike, 10 years still left to see how well those powerful young ladies get older -reliability/cost-wise-, air-cooled GS's seem to do well as in my experience after tens of thousands of km. Thinking about KTM for its extraordinary off-road performance though these beauties still seem to reign overall.
@Sukhim73
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent review..!! Great work guys..your riding gears looks amazing. Kindly share the links for such amazing gears too.
@jseaschippychorley
5 жыл бұрын
The 1200 exclusive has to be the classy looker and 99% of the time now the better value if I want more power and thrills ill get a second sports bike
@stizzygrayson5541
5 жыл бұрын
Incredible review. Great balance of data and real life user interest. Lovely bike also helps.
@findingneutral426
4 жыл бұрын
If anything I’d say the last of the 1200’s is the bike to have taking everything in to account ... The new Hayes calipers aren’t great either. Loads of leaking problems and they don’t do well with spirited use. Same on the new s1krr, again leaking problems. Step backwards in my opinion, I had fade on the road on the new s1000rr
@maxflight777
5 жыл бұрын
I’ve had mine a while now. There is no doubt, in real on the road use.... the difference is massive. Not just the gearbox , but the suspension is hugely improved on my (old) R1200GS triple black. Get rid of your old bikes before the values plummet and buy the 1250. You wont regret it.
@adammfharris
2 жыл бұрын
What year was your GS? From what I understand the 2018 GS1200 is exactly the same suspension, gearbox, software version, tft, and bodywork as the 1250? The only difference being 10hp increase?
@ScragNath
5 жыл бұрын
Not enough for me to trade in my R1200GSA Triple Black TE 2018.
@Ken-ru8et
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve a 2016 Triple Black also and it’s too good to switch from too..
@stillbreathing9146
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent and realistic comparison review of the R1200GS and R1250Gs. Enjoyed it immensely. Thank you ✌🏻
@antonoat
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting, thanks chaps for the good review. I would say in my experience of owning GS's and other boxers the power will increase quite significantly as the miles go on the new bike I would say maybe between 5-10% .
@tomf3969
3 жыл бұрын
I like the presentation of the data.
@MrPeterDWatson
5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely a cracking review. Well done!
@bobbybackmarker9665
5 жыл бұрын
The high point of the last generation was the absolutely sterling Brembo brakes. Now they put on budget stoppers and pretend it's an upgrade? This bike is beginning to resemble an Apple product..
@upup209
5 жыл бұрын
The brakes could be a deal breaker 6% less performance on the new bike
@bobbybackmarker9665
5 жыл бұрын
@Citizenthirteen I've toured on these extensively but have always hired the bikes in the country of destination. I was speaking of performance but it's interesting to know how they perform long term. Cheers.
@CubanRider
5 жыл бұрын
The 15+ 1200GS has the same brakes as the S1000XR which I can't fault, even after riding spiritedly two up
@bobbybackmarker9665
5 жыл бұрын
@@CubanRider I haven't tried the XR as yet. Good to know.
@tommyfogarty
5 жыл бұрын
@@upup209 Going to Hayes is a "Red Flag" to me. Great products in the MTB arena, but what is wrong with Brembo?? This smells like a "Cost of Goods" move by the Bavarians. I'll wait til Hayes has been in the game a while...
@Barchenhund
3 жыл бұрын
Great review. Enjoyed listening to your Texas accents.
@drw1926
3 жыл бұрын
Ive no doubt I'm in the minority here but I actually preferred the traditional clocks of the previous gen. The LCD screen is lovely and impressive and all that but in my mind the traditional clocks are more proper and befitting a motorbike whilst communicating all of the essential information required.
@rkhairajani1
5 жыл бұрын
Just loved the review. On the braking test....it's surprising that the 1250 takes 3 additional mtrs to stop. I am from India and braking for obstacles (unexpected mostly) happens very frequently on our interstates as well. Would have liked if you did that test a couple of times and taken an average of the stopping distances. The delta of 3 mtrs is a lot in my humble opinion.
@poulan9
5 жыл бұрын
Why do you even need brakes? You believe in the reincarnation/the afterlife don't you?
@rkhairajani1
5 жыл бұрын
poulan9 that’s funny! I don’t by the way.
@fiveowaf454
5 жыл бұрын
@@poulan9 But if he came back as a beetle, he wouldn't be able to ride GS
@NULUSIOS
5 жыл бұрын
Top speed? Because all GS after 2004, seem to be stuck in the same 209-220Km/h (on GPS), depending on generation, irrelevant of the engine upgrades. From 1st gen 12GS (100HP claimed) to last 1250GS (136HP claimed) the top speed, should have gone up significantly. My tuned 2007 12GS (which has gone from 100HP claimed to 100HP real on the wheel), does go to 220Km/h easily on GPS (with bit raised limiter). I realize GS has to have the feeling that will go over or through everything, no matter the load on the bike, but they should have changed the gearing a tiny bit (esp. 6th that could be a way "longer" one).
@gregorymccoy6797
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, make it less expensive. I SO want that bike...
@serious_in_seattle6917
3 жыл бұрын
I wish that they were available in even lower seat heights. Power and performance aren’t an obstacle to me, but I wish that they could be a bit lower since they are big, heavy bikes.
@Hoggdoc1946
5 жыл бұрын
Pretty impressive Dyno numbers considering that most Mfgs advertise crank hp and torque. Parasitic drivetrain losses usually are about 15% both these bikes show much less than that. I'm impressed, but still would hesitate buying a BMW because of the cost of maintenance and parts over the long run.
@jchapman1351
5 жыл бұрын
Had to be a kick in the pants, you sounded like a little kid having the time of his life. Good for you man, great video!
@HowToGetMoreMetal
2 жыл бұрын
Having been a mountain bike mechanic for over 20 I can say without a doubt Hays makes inferior brakes.
@jorobson1
6 ай бұрын
Ok can you please do the same test on the R1250 & R1300 ! We are waiting 😀 I have a R1250GS & a R1250 RT and love them both but the RT is our 2 up tourer and with the extra hp & torque of the 1300 engine it will be awesome. I have ridden the R1300GS and it's definitely got more snott.
@bennettsbikesocial
6 ай бұрын
It's got plenty of extra poke - we have one as a long-term loan bike for 2024 and certainly have a plan to pitch it against a similarly-specced 1250GS within the next 2-3 weeks. Is there any particular elemet of the head-to-head that you'd like to see? Cheers, Michael
@jorobson1
6 ай бұрын
@@bennettsbikesocial just roll ons side by side on the airstrip with different speed bands etc. to show where the power and torque differences are.
@michaelbowie9593
5 жыл бұрын
This is a very good video for street riding but can we compare them the may they are designed to be used, off-road? Is there a big difference for a bike buyer to choose between the 1200 over the 1250 when they are looking for off-road riding? The speed and torque aren't that important, it's handling and balance which are the key elements to off-road riding. Are there videos for this comparison? Thanks guys for the awesome video. I learned a lot about each bike. Best wishes. M.B. San Antonio, TX
@AndrewBoundy
5 жыл бұрын
Wonder if the much lower miles on the 1250 had an effect on the breaking - due to bedding-in.
@Visionery1
4 жыл бұрын
Apparently the R1250GS is the best thing since sliced bread, for now. In a few years nobody will give these bikes a second glance, by then there'll be a comparison between the R1400GS and the new R1500GS. Look at VW, they already have the Golf 8, many don't even remember what the Golf 2 or 3 looks like.
@dantton1987
5 жыл бұрын
Wow, that is QUALITY journalism. Subscribed!
@identiticrisis
5 жыл бұрын
I would be very surprised if that fueling curve is as homologated. They might have put a non emissions map in for better performance and smoothness. It's especially noticeable when you go back to a bike that stumbles and snatches due to lean running... That in turn might explain the fuel economy differences, since the "shift cam" allows for milder profiles in the low to midrange, which should be more frugal despite the 4% increase in displacement. The brakes might still need bedding in properly, for best friction. A lot of the feel comes from design, so the Brembos will feel less grabby according to how BMW designed the whole system, from master cylinder, through all the lines, ABS unit and so on and then finally the caliper, pad and disc. Perhaps they wanted the Hayes to seem superior, so made them a little sharper, by design. Might only be a difference in pad construction / material.
@oldtimer3824
5 жыл бұрын
As a potential older buyer looking for on-road comfort, I’d swap hp for less weight. Go back to bigger windscreen.
@harley84fly
5 жыл бұрын
So it's worse on fuel the brakes are not as good. Aren't the newer models supposed to be better?
@NULUSIOS
5 жыл бұрын
Fuel is not something to measure on such a young engine. It needs a few thousand miles to actually run in. Possibly the shiftcam software will get a few updates through the year too. As for brakes, I agree, although "we did it once" actually kills it for me as a statistic. Brakes have to be tested a few times (allow for braking fatigue to settle down too), they need to be done from exactly same speed (GPS not clocks), same rider (same weight and same reaction). Also note that the new bike is supposedly 3-4kg heavier.
@aaronli4171
5 жыл бұрын
Right. Gonna stick to my r1200gs then (; 3 metres difference in braking. that is a HUGE difference. That's over half of a car's length... in an emergency, it's a world of a difference.
@Johnasron
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. I like Simon but it seemed that all the slight improvements in terms of accel and speed were praised but the lack of braking was down played?? Politics? The differences are marginal and I wouldn’t trade a almost new 1200 for the 1250
@featon5
9 ай бұрын
Should I get older 1200 GS from 2018 if I don't care about the power? Brambo brakes, potentially more reliable simpler engin, lower weight seems more appealing to me.
@rocketrollsvlogs7625
5 жыл бұрын
I had to rewind a few times and then pause at 4:59 to see both bikes catch air together. WhooHooooo!!!!
@davidcarroll1152
5 жыл бұрын
Nobody mentioned that BMWs now come with full 3 years warranty,vote of confidence by BMW in their products 👍👍👍
@johnnyblaze1372
5 жыл бұрын
You need this belive me🤣🤣
@M27-f4f
5 жыл бұрын
Hey. They now come with a 3 year warranty?? My 2017 came with a 3 year warranty.
@victorfesto
5 жыл бұрын
Well... they charge you for that extra year. Maintenance and original spare parts are expensive as hell.
@johnnyblaze1372
5 жыл бұрын
@@victorfesto GS driver are Blind😂😂😂
@MrA8888888888888888
5 жыл бұрын
The way BMW dealerships weasel their way out of warranty claims, they may as well offer a 300 year warranty!
@themayorofdipshittery3646
Жыл бұрын
Surely if you’re a 1200 owner trying the 1250 the main difference you’d notice would be that the 1250 has a far smoother and less agricultural than the 1200.
@ChristosBassCovers
5 жыл бұрын
And now it doesn’t cut out randomly below 3k like my 2018
@michaelagnew7825
5 жыл бұрын
excellent review guys, good work
@oknevals
5 жыл бұрын
After admiring BMW's on the dealer's floor and almost burning $21k on RT with discontinued engine (GS was still in $25k-$30k range), I put Yamaha S10 ES for $16k on the road. I can hardly imagine what could possibly cost another $10K-$15K.
@adammfharris
2 жыл бұрын
I feel you. I was the same way. Then I rode a few. The GS is such a good bike so I ended up buying one.
@oknevals
2 жыл бұрын
@@adammfharris I test rode 60+ bikes (road and off-road). There are very few bikes I didn't like but, there were many I liked and few I liked a lot. I'm sure beemer is a great bike. So is Pan Am, Multistrada 1200, Versys 1000. Comfy and run great. Really fantastic bikes but, they all cost more than my Super Tenere and while some features on those bikes are better, I still think my Super Tenere is better package and better value than any of those. I'm not sure I would pay more for Super Ten though. I found GS uncomfortable just sitting on it. RT was super comfy but I like to venture to rough roads.
@adammfharris
Жыл бұрын
@@oknevals That’s an Interesting opinion. You are the first person I’ve heard that thinks it’s uncomfortable. I’ve only heard the opposite from everyone else I’ve discussed this with.
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