I wonder how much the assistance cost or if there is some kind of deal between railroads. Great catch though!
@RailBuffs
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it is interesting how they run together, although I think both railroads just want to get the line open as fast as possible.
@gracethe1st789
7 жыл бұрын
Railroads have set agreements regarding how they split the costs of power. Since locomotives are diesel electric the cost of power is calculated in kilowatts per hour, this way any locomotives cost can be figured up based on the power it produces. Anyway, however much power BNSF used is what they will pay for. I don't know exact rates but its not cheap to run locomotives, it doesn't matter, they want the line open ASAP because a mainline being blocked can cost more.
@bobbypaluga4346
6 жыл бұрын
Eric W If The tracks are jointly used everybody benefits to get the tracks cleared ASAP. I think they use a “first arrival” system meaning that the closest “help” that is able will assist regardless of who ties up the line.
@kenhurley4441
4 жыл бұрын
"I think I can", puffed the little locomotive, and put itself in front of the great heavy train. As it went on the little engine kept bravely puffing faster and faster, "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can."
@williamsquires3070
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that’s how to get a bazillion pounds of coal moving... :)
@jmg9808
6 жыл бұрын
Même lanuit ilsklaxonnent commeCA!!!!!!! Sympa !!!!!!...............
@jmg9808
6 жыл бұрын
3jourspour faire100km
@jmg9808
6 жыл бұрын
Etdu charbon pour fondre l'acier!!!!!!!!
@billtimmons7071
6 жыл бұрын
You're filming in my backyard. I sometimes park at the movie theater overlooking the south bound tracks and do foamer things. I love the sound of the wheels "singing" and sqreaching from the slip/slide control system. I used to work on the EMD MACs including one of the units you show in the video. I love your work.
@floridianrailauto9032
5 жыл бұрын
Did you ever work on SD70ACes?
@ed777tx-edward8
3 жыл бұрын
What were they thinking? It took a 75% increase in motive power to get the job done. Seems they could have added a couple extra units to the original consist?
@dblkrailfan
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent recording. I wonder if they had had an SD70ACe at the front would they had they had stalled as easily. I know coal is heavy, but EMD's won't cut their loading as easily as a GE. They are a little slower to load through every RPM so in eight and when it detects wheelslip, the engineer had better do something or its computer will. An EMD will load a little longer and quicker through each notch. It will try to hang in there and even risk break the coupler in lugging the load. All of them have some sort of wheelslip detection and resistence programming nowadays. Just GE says cut back so they won't smoke.
@budhansen8727
4 жыл бұрын
I do wonder that, the emd seems to have that little bit more grunt under full load, and did wonder if it all had emds would it have stalled out
@billtimmons7071
6 жыл бұрын
I just love hearing the "ringing" from the creep/slide system at work. Long live AC traction technology. Great video
@gordonvincent731
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a retired engineer. I ran train on the Joint (joke) Line from August 1978 to October 1981. We had 5/6 units on the head end and 2/3 for helpers from Denver to Palmer lake. I don't get this EPA thing about tier 4. That GE is smoking like all GE's do and the EMD isn't at the start up. All the engines are burning clean. Give me an EMD anytime on any train anywhere! When we stalled, which was a lot with ATSF powered trains, we sat until whoever was behind us would come up and shove us, or, reduce tonnage in the siding of Orsa or Tomah.
@floridianrailauto9032
4 жыл бұрын
The EPA will never be satisfied until all diesel is banned because diesel is smellier than gas
@scottstitchell6941
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, a nice insight into this kind of rescue operation.
@apachinook998
5 жыл бұрын
Watch the video about russian trains. BAM, part 1,2,3,4,5,6, (air of freedom). Regards.
@midlandcompound
7 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that thank you!
@FishplateFilms
6 жыл бұрын
Great job and good camera work! Always nice to see something different to roll bys. Cheers Gregg.
@apachinook998
5 жыл бұрын
Watch the video 3TE 10M-1227 and 3TE 10M- 0017 ( RZD, Sedlovaja). Regards.
@railvideosbc
7 жыл бұрын
Nice catch dude I subscribed and liked!
@tcp3059
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, pulling the Palmer Divide looks like it would be a son of a bitch.
@arthurwest9329
6 жыл бұрын
Of course there's a BNSF train master watching at the end of the video.
@ThePaulv12
5 жыл бұрын
This vid puts a smile on my face : )
@pressman1996
6 жыл бұрын
Super video of a stall and rescue. Thanks for recording the whole thing!
@channelngmagsasakatv4110
3 жыл бұрын
full watch friend
@dennisyoung4631
2 жыл бұрын
The GE has *soot!* (awesome!)
@kwinuytin
6 жыл бұрын
Wow awesome video
@apachinook998
5 жыл бұрын
Watch the video russian trains, part 1-6, ( air of freedom). Regards.
@RDC_Autosports
4 жыл бұрын
looks like someone didn’t get their weights right on that load unless they lost a dpu for them to grab that protection unit
@trainlens3789
2 жыл бұрын
That's cool. BNSF and UP are the two (primary two) in my territory, Enid, Oklahoma, although they run on their own tracks here. This is a very nice catch.
@spacecalander
7 жыл бұрын
Amazing video!
@duggydugg3937
4 жыл бұрын
is a coal train called John ?? sorry...lame , I know...and not the first....
@brandedmcgowan9414
3 жыл бұрын
UP sd70m 3980 ac4400cw 6152 must be former SP units?
@robertocoelho838
3 жыл бұрын
Robertocoelho825 proteção é DEUS E PAZ.DAÚDE VIDA LONGA
@slamdvw
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like the lead unit already had a rough life... ( burned area under radiator.. )
@michael184272
3 жыл бұрын
Even better than the video is learning from all the comments..thank you
@100american2
4 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe I’m still sitting here waiting for this train to pass. 🤦♂️
@Oldjohn52
2 жыл бұрын
How do they manage the slack in a situation like this?
@floridianrailauto9032
4 жыл бұрын
I hate how quiet those SD70MACs are
@MrWICKEDMISCHIEF
2 жыл бұрын
So, I know it's in UP's best interest to clear the line, but is this something they do in spirit of railroad fellowship, or will BNSF get a bill in the mail?
@thetrainshop
2 жыл бұрын
They get a bill. Nothing is done out of good will
@usm-4kagnew165
5 жыл бұрын
Looks like Santa Fe had to set out a motor.
@SuperCookieman13
6 жыл бұрын
BNSF should take a lesson from UP... put some locos in the middle of the train and a few at the end to balance the power
@davidellis279
4 жыл бұрын
Jeremy Cook. Better still break the train up into smaller units and run them a couple of minutes apart at a faster speed, the length of these trains is Rediculous, crawling along at this speed is crazy when with smaller trains they could travel a lot faster and only use the same amount of engines, I cannot see what they gain from running such a long train at such slow speeds.
@robertgift
6 жыл бұрын
Well done video! Thank you, RB, for sharing this."Risk breaking the train in two at the summit." How?
@MarkRose1337
5 жыл бұрын
When the train is going up the hill, the engines are working against the gravity of the whole train. Once the front of the train crests the hill, the gravity of the front part starts working with the engines, which puts a lot more force through the couplers at the peak of the hill. This usually happens a few cars back from the engines. The solution is to push the train from the back (or put engines in the middle). The downhill engines will sometimes use their dynamic brakes while the uphill engines are still pushing at full power to lessen the load on the cresting couplers (and to manage speed). You almost never see more than three or four locomotives at the front of a train, even on flat ground, for the same reason: the combined pulling power against a heavy train can pull apart a coupler.
@mark_wooley001
6 жыл бұрын
great BNSF video ...
@roblachman8919
4 жыл бұрын
Do train drivers in the US go blow the train horn school. Enough already.
@daviddowling9830
4 жыл бұрын
Rob Lachman shut up pommie
@sonnyjones3837
3 жыл бұрын
When they hook power to the rear of a train, does that take the slack from each car?
@sonnyjones3837
3 жыл бұрын
Please explain to me how that works??
@blackkimba851
6 жыл бұрын
Good video
@joeroy02
5 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I like train videos.
@apachinook998
5 жыл бұрын
Watch the video about russian trains. BAM, part 1-6 ( air of freedom), cool. Regards.
@arthurmchugh5184
4 жыл бұрын
Just wondering, does the train have to stop to disconnect the helpers so they can return?
@mattmoschkau84
3 жыл бұрын
In this case it did stop but it most likely wasn’t necessary. The UP power could have pushed without engaging the coupler so they could disconnect on the fly. However the train stopped anyway to couple a spare BNSF locomotive with an extra crew. With the technology on new locomotives it’s rather easy to set up locomotives in DPU mode so for many reasons when locomotives are added control is usually set up for running off the lead locomotive. Helpers with crews is rare today because railroads are getting really good at placement of power and putting enough power on trains. But in a scenario like this things can still be done the old fashioned way!
@arthurmchugh5184
3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmoschkau84 thanks Matt !!!!😀😀
@markverloop8890
6 жыл бұрын
10-1-18 Just saw this video What happened one engine break down? If so why not cut it out& replace it.Or was the load to much & not enough power.
@ATSF1317
6 жыл бұрын
Why get the UP to assist, when there is a bnsf engine just sitting in a siding doing nothing??
@RailBuffs
6 жыл бұрын
Since one of the rear DPU's broke down, the corridor manager said they have to the extra engine at the end of the train to balance the power or they risk breaking it apart at the summit. So the UP loco's pushed it up so the engine could be put on the back.
@ATSF1317
6 жыл бұрын
RailBuffs oh ok then, that makes sense
@thomasfutch9764
6 жыл бұрын
ATSF1317 yeah good question.
@25mfd
6 жыл бұрын
Where you gonna get the crew to run that engine??? Not worth calling a crew off the extra board just for that. Unless they had no body else, just not worth the expense when you already got a crew on duty and in position to assist.
@JosephCee
6 жыл бұрын
You see that its sitting on a separate track, dont you? What, are they supposed to get a crane to lift it off of that track and onto the next track?
@3RTracing
6 жыл бұрын
castle rock WA??
@RailBuffs
6 жыл бұрын
Colorado
@miajohnson3852
5 жыл бұрын
Castle Rock,Colorado. Awsome town!!!
@williamschlenger1518
6 жыл бұрын
A lot of effort to get moving&A lot of coal.What would a Big Boy do?😚
@robertgift
6 жыл бұрын
Much wheel slip. My great uncle's huge 4-8-4 freight locomotive would often slip because the railroad continually overloaded it. He said it was unfortunate all of the weight was not on the drivers.
@rickygarcia7400
6 жыл бұрын
love the sound of the gevos whin they rev up sounds sounds like my neighbors orchard sprayer(:
@williamschlenger1518
6 жыл бұрын
Great video.One long train🙂
@MottyGlix
6 жыл бұрын
(I haven't seen so many spelling mistakes, in both text on the video and explanatory text, in a very long time. Sad. What's become of American education?)
@JosephCee
6 жыл бұрын
You're one to talk. Your punctuation is awful. You're putting commas where they don't belong and why is your entire statement in paranthesis? You clearly don't speak english as a first language so I guess I can't jump on you too hard.
@floridianrailauto9032
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah dude, I can see several grammatical errors in your statement too. Don't be a hypocrite.
@Jemalacane0
3 жыл бұрын
What's is a contraction of what is not what has.
@davidkeeling4419
6 жыл бұрын
Stalled due to having EMD power instead of GE better pull/push
@paulm.gilbert1096
6 жыл бұрын
David Keeling, your statement is not accurate. How much power needed is based on the ruling grade, not who makes the locomotive. If you need four locomotives to climb the hill anything less will not do, especially if the rails are wet. Now if one of the units fails, you will not have enough power to climb the ruling grade and the train most likely will surely stall. It makes no difference whether they're GE's or EMD"s. There are people out there in train land who can explain this to you better than I can. They know how to do the math involved.
@arthurwest9329
6 жыл бұрын
Coal trains walk a fine line between HPT and stalling on grades. Sometimes the loss of a single traction motor will be enough to stall out. Also a really good engineer can often limp an insufficient HPT train over a grade vs a crappy engineer with adequate HPT.
@cdavid8139
6 жыл бұрын
There are operating people who will debate the point on whether or not it makes a difference whether they are GE or EMD/Progress/Cat. In general I agree with what you're saying.....if the locomotive has "X" for traction power the manufacturer is not that important. However, there are many factors involved and a GE with AC power may indeed be a better choice than an EMD with DC in this situation or that on this day or that with this profile or that.
@cdavid8139
6 жыл бұрын
Seen it many times. Even with the same engineer and same consist with approximately the same tonnage in the same weather conditions may end up with different results. Not an exact science as you pointed out
@3RTracing
6 жыл бұрын
The GE locomotives are falling and failing major Class 1 railroads like flies. Junkamotives as BNSF calls them. Keep in mind that all the Class 1's are rebuilding, taking out of storage and retrofitting all of their legacy EMD products, while at the same time scrapping GE units by the hundreds.
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