It's scenes like this that make me value Tom and Mary's relationship. They have experienced almost the exact same heartbreak, losing their spouse the day their child was born. I think it is beautiful that they developed a strong bond built on their mutual grief.
@barrybeebenson4274
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, not just their spouses but the Loves of their lives
@Chirel999
Жыл бұрын
@@barrybeebenson4274 Yes Poor guys 😭
@caspence56
7 жыл бұрын
The sad thing is, as the years go by George would be a young man at the start of WWII and would be fully expected to serve.
@itwasagoodideaatthetime7980
6 жыл бұрын
Olivia Leung WWII was a great leveler off the classes in England. Everyone from the King down were forced to put aside the class divides. Rich aristocrats served as common soldiers on the front. & poor working men became Air Force fighter aces. It was skill, talent, nerves & brains not breeding, class & money. That mattered most durring WWII when it came to being an officer. My Grandfather was a carpenter & the son of a poor Cockney dockhand. But he became a fighter pilot & an officer during the war. Because he had the right combination of requirements need to fill the position. Before the war it would have been unthinkable for him to become a pilot let alone an officer. Yes after the war ended some of the class structures did remain. But it was no where near as rigid as it was before the war. Many poor/lower class individuals were given a leg up the social ladder thanks to the breakdown of the class barriers during the war.
@lilian1987
6 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking the same thing every time I see George. Especially during the last episode of the whole series as it takes place on the last day of 1925 and George is about 5.
@confusedindy
6 жыл бұрын
He'll be 14 by the start of WWII and by 1943 18
@angelgirl2248
6 жыл бұрын
Actually, he was born in 1921, which would make him 17 in 1938, the start of WW2.
@kerrid5717
5 жыл бұрын
you don’t know that he would’ve died
@julz3tt3
5 жыл бұрын
Losing your beloved husband only days after giving birth would be a double trauma. Postpartum illness plus mourning dear Matthew. I'm surprised Mary coped the way she did.
@SuperGreatSphinx
4 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husband
@katerinaaqu
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah postpartum depression is quite common and can be really severe... It is sad indeed...
@leximarie1751
3 жыл бұрын
And Sybil shortly before!
@dan_38
2 жыл бұрын
I thought it was mere hours
@YeshuaKingMessiah
Жыл бұрын
PPD is rare It’s being normalized but it’s actually rare
@ohoh2146
3 жыл бұрын
Thomas starring out Nanny West is so subtle and shows just how much cleverer he is with emotion than people think. He scopes out the entire situation almost instantly when she tries to push him away from her and it makes me think his own isolation and pain growing up must have made him privy to the way Sybie would feel at all the little nuisances of Nanny West’s treatment of her no matter how small.
@arielklay23
3 жыл бұрын
My husband died tragically after a long illness just shy of turning 32 and it was truly heartbreaking for me. It was a long time before I was truly happy, so I can see why Mary was in such a dark place. However, in time I found peace, even happiness. I still miss my husband and love him still, but I take tremendous comfort in the certainty that I *will* see him again!
@kellicr9024
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, you will!!
@arielklay23
3 жыл бұрын
@@kellicr9024 update, like Mary, I found love in a man who makes me feel beautiful and alive and he is even happy that he shares my first husband's finest qualities! 😊 Even better, J.S. has none of my first husband's self destructive qualities, either!
@nezhabekkar4345
3 жыл бұрын
Bravo!
@Blue8spiral
7 жыл бұрын
This show was so incredible. It really was. The subtly powerful moments had such emotional impact it truly was impressive. I can still watch it over and over.
@12classics39
Жыл бұрын
“Poor little orphan.” A gut-wrenching line. Mary feels that she died with Matthew.
@flowersndaisys3219
2 жыл бұрын
Tom & Mary’s relationship is so beautiful, it’s sad bc before Sybil died she told Mary she wishes they’d get to know Tom yet Sybil dies and they grow to absolutely love Tom and Sybil never gets to know that..
@whitneydavis7443
6 жыл бұрын
Mary's lines in the scene with her grandmother speak volumes, at least to me. I think she believes that to be a good mother, she must be as her own mother was. Which makes it all the more irritating that she's so dismissive of her mother.
@radhikaskumar6718
6 жыл бұрын
Whitney Davis yes..but to me she was more of a chip off her grandmother
@CeltycSparrow
2 жыл бұрын
Granny Violet is very wise. I had to make this same choice. I was grieving and depressed and I came to the point where I had to choose between death and life. I chose life. I don't regret that choice.
@NotoriousBroadcasts
2 жыл бұрын
This sequence beautifully illustrates that quality of loyalty that Mary has. Even though she is struggling she is determined to make herself be involved with her son.
@AlbertaRose94
5 жыл бұрын
This was a tough episode to watch. I felt so sorry for Mary and George.
@jennocontreras623
4 жыл бұрын
Somehow, everytime I watch clips of Downton Abbey, and that wicked Nanny West comes up, I scroll down to the comments just to NOT see her face. The actress did a terrific job portraying her then hehe
@giliraraabrahandmadecards4936
5 жыл бұрын
I have the WHOLE BOX SET been watching it for almost e years now. Most evenings. Pretty sad lol but I love it. I've been to highclere castle for a tour twice for my bday and will continue to go and support the house.
@MarcusLeepapi
7 жыл бұрын
I love this show so much..
@hbanana7
7 жыл бұрын
I wish there was a clip of Cora firing the nanny.
@heartsmelody189
7 жыл бұрын
Pinkie Mel I can't find it…do you know the title of it?
@IrinNovy
7 жыл бұрын
Downton Abbey - Cora Fires Nanny West
@Monada79
5 жыл бұрын
There is! Fuck me, that was epic! What a mean bitch.
@lovelyhoney3334
4 жыл бұрын
Look at the clip Nanny west vs Mr. Barrow it’s there
@cynthiapena8126
3 жыл бұрын
Thomas Barrow vs. Nanny West.
@imaginationgirl21
3 жыл бұрын
George looks so much like his father it hurts :,(
@MandieTerrier
3 жыл бұрын
The team that worked on casting the children is top notch. You can see so much of Sybil in little Sybie that you might think Sybil birthed her (she didn't)
@therra1101
2 жыл бұрын
@@MandieTerrier I always thought Sybbie looks like Tom.
@berniedarbyshire8482
2 жыл бұрын
So true to life .I know the feeling .
@queenoftheuniverse4645
3 жыл бұрын
HER HUSBAND DIED!!! You are all far too harsh on Mary.
@deborahflynn1708
3 жыл бұрын
yes he died and a great tragedy but now Mary is a mother is the little one to pay the price for Mary's broken heart the little one lost his father this is Mary's opportunity to love the child that is a part of Matthew he would want Mary to be the parent that Matthew wasn't able to be and to correct the mistakes that her mother made that would honor Matthew's legacy and the baby would know he is loved by his mother and loving George would help heal Mary's grieving heart
@skippymagrue
3 жыл бұрын
People die all the time. There is a time to mourn, but then we have to move on.
@elisecooper1942
3 жыл бұрын
@Quaker 2019 Anna helped carry a dead man from Mary's bedroom. I think that counts toward her giving several reality checks.
@silentsaturn7604
2 жыл бұрын
@@skippymagrue Which is what she did. This is her mourning and then she moved on.
@silentsaturn7604
2 жыл бұрын
@@deborahflynn1708 Maybe you tell us how you handle things when you're in her shoes.
@jayt9608
2 жыл бұрын
For all that the Dowager has a tongue as sharp as any dagger and more dangerous than any bomb, here she uses her gifts to heal. She doubtless is reflecting upon her own parenting and that she was not as soft and warm with her own children as might have been nice, but she did raise them to be respectable capable adults. So while doubtless she has thoughts that she will never express about her own decisions, she can still use her experience to give Mary the gentle push forward.
@SarahForeshadow13
4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t it be great if Mary took an interest in carpentry?
@MandieTerrier
3 жыл бұрын
Or hats
@rcnelson
Жыл бұрын
You nailed it.
@kimriya
4 жыл бұрын
So much dark aura around her during this 4th season really
@user-my5gm9mp7u
2 жыл бұрын
Poor Mary😢😢😢. It's good that she herself stayed alive😢😥😢. George's father died on his son's birthday. And to imagine George himself completely an orphan (taking into account the death of his father) was generally scary 😲😢😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😢😢😢😢😢😢
@sissyrayself7508
5 жыл бұрын
"And you think I should choose life"? "Well.. DUhhhh".
@elenthora442
5 жыл бұрын
hmmmmm, don't dismiss Mary's sentiment so lightly, until you experience that level of grief, you really are blessedly ignorant.
@jehannethompson1432
4 жыл бұрын
elenthora lol
@kellicr9024
3 жыл бұрын
@@elenthora442 True!!
@jerryadams2191
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Great classics. 😎📺👍👍
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
4 жыл бұрын
I'd feel like garbage if my mom called me a poor, little orphan.
@carrieferg9477
3 жыл бұрын
@Quaker 2019 but that line wasn't directed towards Anna? They're talking about how Mary said that to George
@alisaandros2406
3 жыл бұрын
Hearing the word “orphan” from Obi-Wan Kenobi reminds me about little orphan Ani
@MandieTerrier
3 жыл бұрын
That's when Anna boldly says. He isn't an orphan, he has his mother. Some children don't. At that moment Mary was so gobsmacked. That she didn't remind Anna to stay in her place.
@elisecooper1942
3 жыл бұрын
@@MandieTerrier They are like sisters but at the same time they know their place in the house. The two can honestly speak to one another without the other getting upset. Besides Anna has done plenty of non servants things for Mary.
@elisecooper1942
3 жыл бұрын
@Quaker 2019 This is just TV with a bit of reality mix in the show. Don't let it get you down. I hope you are feeling better
@PotterDorksUnite
6 жыл бұрын
After Matthew died Mary became intolerable
@zbr76
6 жыл бұрын
She definitely changed. I swear her grieving process made her afraid to feel any other emotions afterwards, apart from negging Edith on any level she could. It explains why it takes so long for Henry Talbot to get through to her.
@zbr76
6 жыл бұрын
She definitely changed. I swear her grieving process made her afraid to feel any other emotions afterwards, apart from negging Edith on any level she could. It explains why it takes so long for Henry Talbot to get through to her.
@redmoon9650
6 жыл бұрын
Muqadas A unfortunately that tends to happen when you come from such an upper class family where the parents are too caught up in their wealth and social obligations and tend to throw their responsibilities on the servants and governesses.
@chanaberlove8720
5 жыл бұрын
@@redmoon9650 her sisters werent like that
@kerrid5717
5 жыл бұрын
I never liked her
@elainagilbert7663
3 жыл бұрын
It's so interesting how all the kids have each lost one parent. The kids are all growing up to be more like siblings than cousins so I can't wait for a Downton Abbey: The Next Generation show/film to come out to tell us how they turned out. Sybbie would be very much like her mother in disposition with an interest in cars and medicine. Georgie will likely be heading off to WWII. And Marigold and Caroline will be... I don't know what they'll be doing. Edith doesn't have enough a personality to rub off on Marigold and Caroline was barely shown so I don't have too much of an attachment to her yet.
@jandm4ever716
3 жыл бұрын
I can totally see Sybbie becoming a mechanic during the second world war
@elainagilbert7663
3 жыл бұрын
@@jandm4ever716 Or a medic like her mother.
@sarasamaletdin4574
3 жыл бұрын
The new Edith’s baby announced in the movie would have its both parents however and it’s likely Tom will have other children as well.
@Starlight893
2 жыл бұрын
@Quaker 2019 the release date got moved to March 2022
@phillipamchugh5343
2 жыл бұрын
Marigold could go into publishing or newspaper reporter.
@Monica-kf6dt
2 жыл бұрын
Oh I need that lamp!
@lovelyhoney3334
2 жыл бұрын
You know that’s probably why nanny west treated George a lot better than George, it could’ve been because of their “class differences” but I also think it was because Mary wasn’t Interested in George at all while she was grieving which was for many months and Tom was giving all, if not, most of his attention to his daughter Sybbie.
@JA268
2 жыл бұрын
I hate classism, though it was in the past. But class ain't got nothing to do with to me. She's (the nanny) just another Irish hater, like everyone else in Britain, and Sybbie's daddy is Irish. Why did they hate the Irish? Because of that Catholic vs. Anglican bullshit!
@qui_etes_vous
4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to watch nothing but Downton Abbey, it's such a good show! 😊Hi, I’m Brittney Hill :D . I really enjoy your uploads! I’m looking to live in Los Angeles county, where Hollywood is! I am currently living in Orange County, and looking for a place to live in Los Angeles County. Yay, me! My whole life, I’ve always done everything by myself, literally, so that’s why I’m super proud that I figured out my, Destiny (All by myself). My Destiny is to get married to a few guys, all at once, and be the perfect happy family. Those guys are, Tom Ellis (he is a Russian actor on a hit-show in America called, Lucifer), Hugh Bonneville and Jim Carter (they are 2 really handsome gentlemen on the show, Downton Abbey), Louis Garrel (he is super famous French actor on the movie, Dreamers), and then I am also to marry, Henry Cavill and Johnathan Rhys Meyers (they are super hot guys on the huge show, The Tudors). I will become their Wife, and Mother to our children (it’ll be my first time being a Mom). So far, we have 3 daughters. I am also going to, finally, become a, famous, American, Actress on the big screen. The second thing in my Destiny is to be a real, live, Queen, for the United Kingdom. I was born to do all of these things :D, so it is in my blood. I’m Middle class, and I AM, social climbing, so I will, marry the first rich man I come in to contact with, of course. HAHA! Either way my story plays out, I WILL END UP MARRIED TO THESE MEN, POST HASTE! That is a promise. I’m 31 years old, and I’m not just any Millennial, I’m, THAT, Millennial! You can join me wherever you see me in person :D ! See you on the big screen :D ! Family. Love. Love. Love
@MandieTerrier
3 жыл бұрын
How's them dreams working for you?
@qui_etes_vous
3 жыл бұрын
@@MandieTerrier Margot Robbie- Get a, Life- still. -Brittney Hill, Saturday (same day), July, 31st, 2021. 7:41 a.m.
@malinhessedahl
5 жыл бұрын
♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
@MarcusLeepapi
5 жыл бұрын
So nice...
@maritagoran
3 жыл бұрын
Mary's lines un this scene
@chanaberlove8720
3 жыл бұрын
How does this child know who is his mother? He sees her 15 minutes a day. I never got that.
@katerinaaqu
3 жыл бұрын
Well in the past it was common for rich families and aristocracts to leave the babies to the care of nunnies and wet nurses. Royalties didn't even breastfeed their babies at most cases... They usually bonded by passing time together or eating together etc I suppose...
@katerinaaqu
3 жыл бұрын
@Quaker 2019 I know and I do mention that in my comment... 😅 I mentioned royalties as an extreme example of practices already followed by aristocracy nobility etc.
@katerinaaqu
3 жыл бұрын
@Quaker 2019 No worries. Don't sweat it. I hope you will get better
@katerinaaqu
3 жыл бұрын
@Quaker 2019 I see. Well then I hope you recover fully as soon as possible
@katerinaaqu
3 жыл бұрын
@Quaker 2019 I see. That's good.
@dalecrossley1514
2 жыл бұрын
My mum very sick of the long time ago and have been working in an hour and half the size and the kids are you looking at it and the rest of the best. the other side of things that you
@cameronjournal
5 жыл бұрын
Matthew's death was such bullshit, that was the slowest most survivable car crash ever. Sometimes Fellows gets it so right and other times he fails completely.
@MandieTerrier
3 жыл бұрын
Dan Stevens decided to leave in the middle of filming season 3. So Julian Fellows had to create a patched up story line in a hurry.
@katerinaaqu
3 жыл бұрын
You do know that you do not need to run with huge speeds to be seriously damaged or dead right? It only takes 3km/hour for someone to hit on the head and be paralized. If for example he got injured and help was not there on time he died because he didn't find help soon enough. Also CPR was not really a thing in the early 1900s so yeah...there is that too
@flyboy152
3 жыл бұрын
How many accident scenes have you been at? Obviously not many. It doesn’t always take speed to kill. The car went off the road and flipped over on top of him. Without a seatbelt, he was thrown from the car and hit his head, on top of the damage from being crushed by the car.
@MandieTerrier
3 жыл бұрын
@Quaker 2019 Ummm no! My information came from the Season 3 Script Book, page 254 in Julian Fellows notes. He explains why the deaths happened the way they did. They knew Jessica Brown Findlay (Sybil) was leaving. If they had known Dan Stevens wanted to leave in Season 2. He wouldn't have been killed in the Christmas Episode.
@CL-go2ji
Жыл бұрын
No seat belts. People used to die in "fender benders" all the time - one almost got my father in 1950.
@YeshuaKingMessiah
Жыл бұрын
She knew only becuz her gmas telling her, that considering life was an option When ur LIFE dies and ur world halts stockstill Life has no meaning The baby is small consolation I speak objectively, from personal experience She of course recovers n has a stunning life. The movies are certainly grand.
@katiewhite6542
3 жыл бұрын
more story pam tanner she gone
@kerrid5717
5 жыл бұрын
Sybil handled the death of her loves much better
@lydonreference507
5 жыл бұрын
So did Tom
@Lisa-kf4iu
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but not everyone grieves the same way of course. I'm glad they showed these differences.
@MandieTerrier
3 жыл бұрын
@@lydonreference507 men were expected to have a stiff upper lip and all that
@flyboy152
3 жыл бұрын
The one guy that Sybil mentioned dying was a friend, hardly her husband.
@kellicr9024
3 жыл бұрын
@Quaker 2019 but that's still not the same as losing your husband a few days after giving birth to your first child. That is truly tragic, her little family only lasted a few days.
@hpavalferr7201
3 жыл бұрын
🙂 💙
@kenhuang8789
3 жыл бұрын
ok
@rbuddy4765
3 жыл бұрын
Lady Mary a bit scary .
@justcogitating
3 жыл бұрын
The children in this show are literally props for the adults. Marigold, Sybbie, George-- none of them develop any personality as they grow.
@jandm4ever716
2 жыл бұрын
Well the show is not about them
@goodbyelukey
Жыл бұрын
Nobody likes Marigold
@justcogitating
Жыл бұрын
@@jandm4ever716 They could have had personalities without the whole show being about them-- that's what a good minor character is.
@novamarie2162
Жыл бұрын
I always attribute it to being that children of their ages and stations were likely told that children are "seen but not heard", and that's why they are so lacking in energy and childishness.
@12classics39
Жыл бұрын
Well, we see hints of Sybil’s fiery spirit in Sybbie when she bluntly says “no we won’t” in response to Thomas telling the children to behave while he’s gone. Also we see George has inherited his father’s natural kindness and generosity, bringing Thomas an orange to make him feel better when he’s recovering. Clearly the seeds are already planted for him to grow up with respect for the working class; he won’t share his mother’s snobbishness. I think Marigold is just inherently shy and afraid of the world because she’s confused by all the moving around she’s had to do; maybe she inherited her mother’s low self-esteem.
@nope24601
Жыл бұрын
The title is misleading at best. - Downvote.
@liki7316
5 жыл бұрын
Mein leben mitdendown Syndrom
@xadam2dudex
4 жыл бұрын
Isn't it amazing how self-absorbed the rich are ?
@olgachafeeva2828
4 жыл бұрын
jealousy is very unattractive ;)
@xadam2dudex
4 жыл бұрын
@@olgachafeeva2828 lol...you are such a tool
@liki7316
5 жыл бұрын
Mein leben.mit dem DOWN Syndrom anklicken
@brandiriley924
5 жыл бұрын
What the baby has down syndrome
@MandieTerrier
3 жыл бұрын
@@brandiriley924 no he doesn't. Besides Down Syndrome isn't a diagnosis that can be made in 15 seconds
@Fee212
3 жыл бұрын
She couldn't even bond with her own baby! Cold-hearted selfish snob that she is. And she's supposed to be in mourning for George's father.
@Roheryn100
2 жыл бұрын
Shock and bereavement can do that.
@thomasdoyle9748
2 жыл бұрын
If she hadn't had a nanny taking care of the baby all the time she would have been forced to take an interest in the baby and it probably would have helped her.
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