Honestly, if the author truly believes that mentioning trigger warnings would "ruin" their book, that book has nothing else to offer other than shock value.
@mariane5395
3 жыл бұрын
Also, if they wrote a book containing such delicate subjects and truly understood them and the impacts it can have on people, they would never be against trigger warnings (which, again, proves it's just for shock value!!).
@a_bookish_gemini
3 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about literature or movies from before our age of trigger warnings? Or do you not touch those collectively?
@mariane5395
3 жыл бұрын
@@a_bookish_gemini Yes, I totally understand what you mean, it's a good point, we didn't always have trigger warnings!! But I was specifically talking about authors in 2021, where it's common, and appreciated by a lot of readers, to warn the audience about certain topics discussed in the book. I just don't see a valid reason for any author to categorically refuse to use trigger warnings in 2021.
@gracedays7443
3 жыл бұрын
@@a_bookish_gemini literature is different, but movies and t.v come with some form of rating that declares the appropriate age group and outlines the content i.e “this media contains sexual situations and graphic violence that may not be suitable for some viewers” trigger warnings are very similar, and they aren’t as new in concept as people think they are.
@onarosebeam
3 жыл бұрын
it seemed like she thought she would have the impact of A Little Life 🙄
@JulianGreystoke
3 жыл бұрын
I'm an indie author. I'm not well known and don't have many reviews. A one star does drag down my overall score way more than it might someone with a lot of reviews. BUT I will never ever tell someone they shouldn't rate my book 1 star if that's how they feel about it. I'd rather have honesty than be coddled.
@deconstructingdamsels2746
3 жыл бұрын
As a reviewer, I try to be honest and explain why I give lower ratings. I've given a few this year, but I give very detailed reasons why. It's often a writing critique, like a lack of editing or betas. I try and read a lot of indie authors because I know that any positive word of mouth helps. Tanking isn't my intent.
@m.f.hopkins8728
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@carlajenkins1990
3 жыл бұрын
Praise only when praise is deserved. You are sticking to the subject and IT IS NOT PERSONAL!!
@kdonaldson7308
3 жыл бұрын
@juliangreystoke For me to give a 1 star there has to be something really wrong with it, problematic, racism, sexism, fridging, not addressing issues, etc. Even really bad editing or formatting (actual spelling mistakes in a professional published work WTF.) And 2-star books to me a just meh ... ok but needs work. I also think it is beyond rude to reach out to an author to give your opinion directly. Reviews are there for other readers, if an author wants to access them that is their choice it should not be forced upon them. But I always agree that if you are giving a 1 / 2 star not to do it maliciously and to be critical, not hateful, and also if there is anything good about it also include it. But I am wary of asking consumers to not share their opinion I don't like this 'hiding' of people's experiences.
@quasi8180
Жыл бұрын
If i ever get published Id would definately perfer an honest review even if that means one stars so i know how to do better next time thats how we learn from mistake is by people letting us know where we fed up. But sometimes people give one star just to be rude or for click bait especially if its a book written by a poc author. Ive thought of buying Iron Widow but Ive seen very nasty reviews (i can tell cause the thumbnails scream clique bait) and i hate to say it but it has negitavely affected my descicion on whether or not to get it. And im a big fan of the authors channel they are an asian author. And i cant help but wonder if people are giving them a bad review cause of racism and wow i just got off topic sort of.
@Groanola
3 жыл бұрын
Being indie published does not excuse it from being rated 1-2 stars. Indie books can be problematic or harmful as well, sometimes even more so than traditionally published works because they don’t tend to have sensitivity readers to check the content beforehand.
@krishnahemminger
3 жыл бұрын
Especially since Indies just get their book out as fast as possible and end up skipping out on editing, proofreading and the like. Authors need to know that and so do readers. I'm saving money for my one day indie published book to make sure I have an editor and more.
@curiositykilledthekat
3 жыл бұрын
and also... people can just dislike a book and they get to rate it however they want on public sites 🤷🏻♀️
@rileybartlett5834
3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you. Also, if the book has a detailed 1-2 star review, it is possible that people will read the review and see that they might like the book. For example, if a reviewer says a fantasy book is long, complicated and boring, usually I end up liking that book if I pick it up.
@daniellelibertini6138
3 жыл бұрын
Good for Nora Roberts, this made me want to pick up one of her books for the first time.
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
Saaame
@snoopygonewilder
3 жыл бұрын
If you like thrillers, try hers. I'm not personally into the ones before 2000, except for her In Death series which started in 1995 and is now up to book 52. Its a futuristic police procedural that follows the same detective, her significant other, and her gang of friends.
@quasi8180
Жыл бұрын
@@JessOwens i didnt know nora roberts was on the left and now im intruiged ive seen her books in places like wallgreens and target but have never considere d reading her books before and Im kinda a sucker for romance.
@Shikey_shakes
3 жыл бұрын
I’m... blown away by that entire anti-trigger-warning nonsense situation but holy cow how can you reduce triggers to something that just causes “discomfort” and neglect to acknowledge that they can cause things like panic attacks, self-harming behavior, and suicidal ideation while apparently including suicidal ideation in the book??
@Sunshine-fr1yl
3 жыл бұрын
Nora’s response is the ultimate mic drop, she is amazing.
@writenowdream3882
3 жыл бұрын
On the Read With Cindy topic, I follow her on KZitem and that is totally her humor. I think the issue was that the characters in Six of Crows were minors, even though they aren’t written that way (At all). I know Leigh Bardugo has passionate fans too though.
@srnc
3 жыл бұрын
So if I spend my own money buying an indie book and don't even enjoy it, I am supposed to hold the author's hand and tell them why their book didn't work, basically doing the editor's work for them and not even being paid, but paying for it?? Indie doesn't necessarily mean good.
@Victoria-cm7yh
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I would never give a glowing review to a book that I found to be very poor quality just because it wasn't traditionally published and "they tried". I would either give my honest opinion (for other readers, NEVER directly sent to the author) or not rate or review it at all.
@srnc
3 жыл бұрын
@@Victoria-cm7yh I agree! I also would feel bad misleading someone else that might be influencedby my review, and make them waste money :/ it feels dishonest :/
@jarenka3335
3 жыл бұрын
Omg this "triggering" book is 100% an "edgy" fanfic from fanfiction.net written back in 2007 with respective 15 years old edgelord writer who think that writing dark triggering things is "cool" and people who can't handle it are just "boring normies".
@nicolegallegos1257
3 жыл бұрын
Dayum Nora I didn't know it was like that. Okay girl. I see you.
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
👏🏾👏🏾
@marijaob3302
3 жыл бұрын
That Colleen and Lisa story was absolutely bonkers, one would think astronauts (and pilots) had more braincells but apparently anyone can have worms for brain (as if i, an astro-major, didn't already know this, lmao)
@qreua_3075
3 жыл бұрын
1. The hilarious thing about the Nora Roberts situation is that the "Karens" thought she was one of them, what a slap in their face lol 2. The trigger warning issue: The fact that she thinks a trigger warning is unnecessary because the "book is meant to make you feel". Being triggered is more than just being uncomfortable. Someone being triggered can lead to a relapse of damaging behaviors, panic attacks due to PTSD etc. Trigger warnings are not trivial, it gives people a chance to make informed decisions about the content they consume.
@StephanieMRM
3 жыл бұрын
I don't really like Alyssa Milano as an actress, she's one of those people that I always see as herself rather than the character she's portraying (i.e. I always call Brad Pitt just Brad Pitt regardless of the character's name, does this make sense?) but it also costs me $0 not to shit on an author's announcement post
@jessicapatterson492
3 жыл бұрын
I always see her as Samantha Micelli. Mom got me hooked on Who's the Boss? reruns when I was a teenager, lol. (Dang, it's been a while, now I want to watch that show again.)
@snoopygonewilder
3 жыл бұрын
Lol. Not sure I have any opinions about Alyssa Milano, the only thing I watched with her was Charmed back in my teenage years. Maybe there's more but I don't remember. Still, even if I had something against her, I wouldn't take it out on the author of the book that is being adapted, and which Alyssa Milano is playing a part in... just makes no sense. Its like getting the wrong order at a Taco Bell and then punching the manager's cousin over it.
@karenferreira7665
3 жыл бұрын
Even before the trigger warnings of the m/m book I was really bothered by the fact it is a Bully/Victim romance. I love enemies to lovers, but for me, the reason they hate each other needs to be because they are actually enemies (fighting to be the one who achieves something/wanting to stop the other from getting something) not because of personal reasons and especially not because one of them is abusive (a bully) towards the other. This is not enemies to lovers, this is romantizing abuse. Unless the bully really learns what they've done is wrong, apologizes and changes their behavior BEFORE the romance begins. That would be a good redemption arc. Otherwise I just think is harmful and shouldn't be sold as romance
@samh7206
3 жыл бұрын
Bully/victim romance kinda feels like "if he hits you it means he likes you" 😬 its just...yikes
@WildeBookGarden
3 жыл бұрын
WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL TRYING TO FIGHT NORA ROBERTS, have they no sense of self-preservation?!
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
These folks just don’t understand 🤣
@chelsikay13
3 жыл бұрын
I am not a huge fan of Nora's books but she is now my Queen.
@j.r.cilliangreen4083
3 жыл бұрын
I have never read her, but I too bow at her throne...
@AikiraBeats
3 жыл бұрын
Right I love a few of her books they way she writes her characters
@AdrianneChristineBooks
3 жыл бұрын
She had to put down the pen and come check people 🤣🤣
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
Nora don’t play 😂
@kato6196
3 жыл бұрын
I can see how the "don't rate indie books low" idea could backfire. First, the author could be inundated with negative messages because they "asked for it." At least with regular reviews, you can just not go to that website, but if people are DMing/emailing you, you would be looking at people criticizing your work every day. Also, artificially inflated ratings might give readers the wrong impression of the book -- maybe more will read it in the short term, but if the ratings are disproportionately high to the quality of the book, readers will be confused, disappointed, and more likely to leave a more negative review or critique as a way of pushing back.
@agostinabarello2037
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! .. although I think she suggested that authors reach out through DMs with feedback but still I someone takes all that trouble to contact me to tell me about all the problems they found in my work ... Well I think that's more soulcrushing than just a 1 star review. And not to be mean but unless the author is a child there's no need to protect their feelings or to be encouraging. Part of being an adult is knowing how to pick yourself up and try again if you fail 🤷
@chelsikay13
3 жыл бұрын
My own cannon of the SoC characters is them being at least mid-twenties because they definitely don't come off as teens.
@jamieralston14
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who is considering independently publishing a book in the future, I believe you should give all books a deserving rating- even if that is a 1 or 2 star rating. Indie books have a bad reputation, because a lot of authors truly don’t put the time and effort into them before slapping them up on Amazon. If we try to shield the bad ones and make it hard to pick out the better ones, people may just give up on indie books altogether. I know if I read multiple “4 star” books that were trash I would question why I was even wasting my time giving them a chance.
@deconstructingdamsels2746
3 жыл бұрын
I read a lot of indie authors and traditional. I like to add variety and there's so many stories. And I review them. Some get high marks, others low. Half of the historical romances I read for the readathon last month were indie. Of the 10 books I read, the only 1-2 stars were by traditional published authors. It sometimes feels like the book community is coddling at times. Indies deserve honest feedback so they know strengths and weaknesses in their craft. Better for authors and readers alike.
@fleayee7771
3 жыл бұрын
Yikes... the trigger warning stuff is so bad. It seems almost like some of the TW content was used for 'shock', rather than as deeply traumatic experiences. I think if spoiling that has the power to ruin the impact of the book, then it's probably dealt with pretty poorly, and the focus wasn't put on the aftermath - processing, coping and healing, but making the event as shocking as possible.
@stormydavis5860
3 жыл бұрын
I think the author was trying to justify suppressing it becoming common in reviews to say plainly the love interest rapes the main character. Of course this was after the main character sexually assaulted the love interest after he's been told no explicitly. It's been a while since I attempted to read this but it was awful, I couldn't finish. 100% the most toxic relationship/abuse situation between main characters I've ever come across.
@flop9562
3 жыл бұрын
when u accidentally said “far white...” so true
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@emilyfullhardt9822
3 жыл бұрын
The CE Ricci one bothered me on a bunch of levels but also because she's a woman writing an M/M romance already exploiting MLM characters and readers the LEAST she could do is put trigger warnings so as to not harm anyone further, especially for potential MLM readers. Nasty.
@samh7206
3 жыл бұрын
ESPECIALLY since lgbt people are the ones who usually have experienced some type of trauma.
@emilyfullhardt9822
3 жыл бұрын
@@samh7206 Exactly! It's a special type of heartless to write something like this let alone not give TW
@lmac3869
3 жыл бұрын
Someone on my online book group asked about Nora Roberts books because they saw this blow up and was so impressed by her response that they were going to buy some of her books. Others agreed, she'll break even at least with readers and may end up with more even after the others have left.
@EarlGayTea711
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like with CE Ricci the trigger warning thing was a marketing prop. Her book is getting talked about and some people will applaud her "not catering to the snowflakes". She's definitely decided who her audience is and I hope she's happy with the fact that she's isolated more people making it so her book won't gain true popularity.
@librarianontheloose
3 жыл бұрын
I personally want trigger warnings on everything: movies, books, podcasts, any form of media that I may get into expecting a good time and ending up horrified. This author sounds like she just wants an excuse to shock people and is annoyed she has to warn people on the way she's shocking them.
@BeautifullyBookishBethany
3 жыл бұрын
Just because something is indie doesn't mean it should be insulated from 1 or 2 star reviews. There are amazing indie authors out there and inflating those ratings only diminishes the impact of the work they're doing. Great episode!
@NinjaWieldingLimes
3 жыл бұрын
I review books twice: once publicly on Storygraph (previously on Goodreads) and once privately in a book journal. The public review is my analysis of the book where I keep other people's tastes in mind. More like "you will like this book if you enjoy x or y." In my own private book journal, that's where I heap undeserved praise on my faves, and tear other books to shreds, and I let myself be biased as hell. This doesn't mean that I haven't given indie published books negative public reviews. I most certainly have. It just means that I try to be a little less biased in my reviewing of them, trying not to dunk on something that someone else might really, genuinely enjoy.
@JessPeachee
3 жыл бұрын
Jess: says take a break, get a snack Jessi: goes to make an iced coffee and comes back to watch the rest
@florl9194
3 жыл бұрын
And I went for the popcorn 😆
@olliebirdy6120
3 жыл бұрын
I grabbed a muffin.
@wellDUHitsSarah
3 жыл бұрын
Imo the main issue with Cindy stuff is that she may forget the main readers of the YA books are teens. While I as an adult see the jokes (it’s like making fun of Riverdale which has been done a ton) teens aren’t going to necessarily have the same reactions. I remember how pressed I was about Twilight 😅 BUT to me it’s silly to be offended about the comments being “mature” when the characters in the book do lots of similarly “mature” things that actual teens wouldn’t do (ie the entire beginning storyline for Inej). 🤷🏽♀️
@BooksToAshes
3 жыл бұрын
As an adult, I thought her 'jokes' were tasteless and I view it the opposite of you. I'm not even a huge SOC fan but I thought they were disturbing and didn't need to be said coming from an adult talking about teenagers in a book in a se*xual way. I dunno but that's just me. Different people have different humor.
@bookwormjen4718
3 жыл бұрын
The Phantom of the Opera hate crime tweet KILLED me!! I’m not even a writer but I feel I need to write a retelling for it now! 😂😂
@mamasavage7568
3 жыл бұрын
Daaaaamn! Nora came for them HARD 😆 I’m so impressed I think I’ll actually pick up one of her books, and I’ll for sure watch that adaptation JUST to support her 💖
@TheC0mart
3 жыл бұрын
It’s really upsetting to me that the author wouldn’t want to provide trigger warnings. I agree with what you said, some readers may not need them and can just skip over them but some of us need to know what we’re getting into to either avoid it or prepare ourselves for it. An author that doesn’t care enough about their reader to provide them that is definitely not an author I want to be supporting.
@charlottefleming6235
3 жыл бұрын
um that last story was an absolute ROLLERCOASTER wowie. also Nigel is the cutest and so lucky to have you!! 😣🥺
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
I still can’t believe that story is true 😂😂😂 Also, thank you 🥰 I’m very lucky to have Nigel
@JustTiffers
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe watching all of Cindy’s videos puts her jokes in a different context for me, but I get the humor. I also get that a lot of people won’t agree with it either. I’m happy that she was able to fully voice her thought process while tweeting and put out an apology. And I will now go watch her Crooked Kingdom reaction video for the 100th time. Because SOC stans have to be devastated together
@halimamuslimah
3 жыл бұрын
Because I'm older, I totally remember the astronaut story & was eating popcorn during each update. I didn't know about the getting out of jail and the other woman getting married and having a child part. Aah the trashy tales of it all.
@JGVIllustrations
3 жыл бұрын
When Jess says “BUCKLE UP, you may need to grab a snack for this one,” I immediately head to kitchen because I know it’s gonna be a crazy story 😂👌
@elenathegreat
3 жыл бұрын
you’re right, this astronaut story sounds like it’s straight out of a movie 😱
@byteme9514
3 жыл бұрын
This Nora Roberts book wasn't even on my radar but now I'll make it a point to read it and watch the Netflix adaptation. Honestly, that response was everything!
@carlajenkins1990
3 жыл бұрын
Can't be much worse that Bridgerton.
@byteme9514
3 жыл бұрын
@@carlajenkins1990 oh, my standards are low for telly, I liked bridgerton 😂😂
@MsWOCReader
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the idea that we should not give an honest review to indie published books. People make the argument about not always having good editors or editors at all but I've read just as many badly edited traditionally published books.
@Juiceharlot
3 жыл бұрын
White women calling people "karens" while being "a whole Karen." Girl put the trigger warnings in your crusty little book and keep it moving. Exhausting I mean really "I don't believe in trigger warnings" she supported Trump. I just know it.
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
💀💀 “your crusty little book” I’m SCREAMING 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@britwww
3 жыл бұрын
you have very quickly become one of my favorite youtube channels
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
🥺🥺🥺 thank you
@-oliviack-
3 жыл бұрын
I clicked this so fast, good luck on your readathon’s Jess 🖤
@lenah9027
3 жыл бұрын
The trigger warning reminds me of Amanda Lovelace's list of triggers that ends with "and possibly more!". pissed me off so much.
@whatkaylasays
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never gotten around to reading Nora Roberts but she kills me with her clap backs. 😂 Why won’t people learn not to mess with her. Embarrassing.
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
Seriously. They never learn 😂
@booklover466
3 жыл бұрын
Nora said don’t come for me unless I send for you 👏🏽 she told these women to sit and eat their food. Chileee
@allithebookgiraffe1707
3 жыл бұрын
I have noticed that a lot of the bigger authors who do post their reading on Goodreads only give Books five stars. I've always wondered if they were afraid to give a book lower than that.
@sabrina.lnd95
3 жыл бұрын
I've seen 4 stars as well, but I'm pretty sure they do have thoughts on "bad" books but they just don't publicise those thoughts, ie not putting books they didnt enjoy onto their goodreads etc (I hope I made sense lol)
@allithebookgiraffe1707
3 жыл бұрын
@@sabrina.lnd95 i always wondered if they felt bad putting other peoples books down as authors or if they were afraid to. Im sure no one 100% enjoys every single book they read and they do probably censor themselves.
@marymik7372
3 жыл бұрын
Yea I've noticed that too. I can see it from their POV though that if they had negative thoughts on a book it could into something bigger on twitter (like people saying X author has beef with Y, even if it's just an honest review). I think they do censor themselves to avoid unnecessary drama
@batgirl052009ify
3 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was to avoid awkwardness. Like, ya authors, for instance, run in the same circles/are critique partners a lot. It's harder to give harsh criticism to someone who you have to be on a panel with later. :o
@allithebookgiraffe1707
3 жыл бұрын
@@batgirl052009ify true!
@keelinover5584
3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe I JUST found your channel. You're amazing and your content is amazing.
@ThisSecretCat
3 жыл бұрын
For the HARSH WRITING ADVICE, that guy started it, and all these other better writers, agents, and editors finished it.
@JustAMatterofTam
3 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel a few days ago and I’ve been binge watching old episodes ever since. This new video popped up and I couldn’t wait to watch because I absolutely agree with the masses on Nora Roberts, and loved her response. Keep it coming!!
@CourtneyDowellOfTarth
3 жыл бұрын
My hot take is Kaz and Inez’s relationship was steamy as hell! We live for that intense friend to love “plz just brush knuckles”!
@kallistoindrani5689
3 жыл бұрын
That's why I like fanfiction better sometimes. There are always trigger warnings and tags there. Some things you just don't want to read and I've had instances where I went into a book, thinking it would be good based of the summary and then something happened that I don't want to read about (like sexual assault and stuff) and it just gets me so upset and sick when that happens! So yes, use trigger warnings!
@theimperfectscrapper5313
3 жыл бұрын
Nora Roberts is a class act. Her skill as a writer always comes through in her responses to these negative social media posts.
@carlajenkins1990
3 жыл бұрын
It is a no-win situation. She's got to have better things to do with her time.
@k4rnvr
3 жыл бұрын
im pretty sure that august 2018 isnt when cindy messaged that but the time when cindy created her twitter account. twitter shows that whenever someone dms another person for the first time. also i was looking forward to this video and its finally here aaah
@ivariable
3 жыл бұрын
yup, it says "joined in august 2018"
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
Yep she clarified in her comment. I clearly don’t know how Twitter works 😂
@carissa1446
3 жыл бұрын
Nora Roberts 🙌. Not being open to other viewpoints is how they got to that mindset to begin with. Closed minds can't grow.
@karenrwalker
3 жыл бұрын
My ratings are intended for other readers who share my interests, so I'm okay with rating a book 1 star if that's where it falls on my scale. While I purchase indy and self-published books with intention, I don't have a separate ratings scale for books from big publishers. If it's just simply not a good read, being indy published doesn't somehow improve it. Indy publishing is for topics that don't generally get picked up by big companies because they won't have a large enough audience to provide a return on their investment; it's not a safe haven for bad writing.
@JashanaC
3 жыл бұрын
lol the funny responses to the "harsh writing advice" are killer Ommggggg that last story WTF hahahhaha
@LisatheWeirdo
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, god... It's been so long since I've heard that astronaut story... I'm so old. I was in middle school when that happened.
@KittyxKult
2 жыл бұрын
Don’t mind me just going back and watching your old tea videos and god I love Nora Roberts. Never read a thing by her but every time you mention her in a tea video I know it’s about to be good. 😂
@HappyforNow
3 жыл бұрын
I still can not believe the blanket Trigger Warning author. Even though I posted them on the book 😂 Whew I missed Cindy’s tweets those are 😫 but also align completely with her usual humor. The astronaut thread was 🤯
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
Ms “ima use 15 triggering topics in my book” seems like she’s trying to emotionally manipulate the reader 🥴
@BooksInTheVoid
3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, isn't the fact that the author put a warning on Good Reads and on the front page of the book both with the word Trigger.....A TRIGGER WARNING? And if you're going to make a book and give that type of trigger warning...I am not going to read the book. "Good Christian" said the woman who COMMITTED ADULTERY!!!
@dimerymichaels3539
3 жыл бұрын
I had to watch twice in a row to get all the info here! What a week!
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@literarylion3858
3 жыл бұрын
I don't really think indie authors should be exempt from bad reviews, the point IS to let readers know whether you think a book is worth reading. That said I think one star reviews should be as diplomatic and helpful as possible.
@julesdoingalright
3 жыл бұрын
Yay, a new book communitea video! :) I find drama in the reader community so much more interesting than all the KZitem and social media cancel culture drama lol
@IHeartRomance
3 жыл бұрын
Nora Roberts walks in room. MIC DROP.
@marahsoore6452
3 жыл бұрын
Jess: You're going to want snacks Me: Lady told me to get snacks, I'm getting some snacks! So worth it, thank you for always sifting through the drama that's going on Twitter and the book world!
@reading_with_k
3 жыл бұрын
It's bad when authors don't acknowledge trigger warnings and EVEN WORSE when they acknowledge them and then refuse to provide them. This author should be ashamed of the harm they're causing their readers.
@MsNoMeGusta
3 жыл бұрын
Nora said 'everytime one of you Khols Cash Karens force me to put my foot down, it's coming down on your neck, sis' Why do they keep trying this woman. She is not, nor has ever been, the one. All the ❤️s for Nora
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
Goodbye. I am deceased. “Kohls cash Karens” 😆😆😆😁
@MsNoMeGusta
3 жыл бұрын
@@JessOwens we've all encountered them 😬🤣
@cifafs3
3 жыл бұрын
The cut after "Get a visual? I sure do." (3:32) had me rolling. Really added to the poignance of her statement lmao. Love your videos!
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂 thanks !
@savannah4439
3 жыл бұрын
I think TWs should be available to readers. I personally would skip over them because I like to go in blind, but I certainly don’t think that *my preferences* should dictate what’s available to other people...seems reasonable to me 🤷🏾♀️
@noosedressednecklace
3 жыл бұрын
I think trigger warnings are important but I think some people don’t understand what a trigger warning is vs what a trope is and those can be spoilers. I think it’d just be nice if people put them under the cut (indicating such) on their goodreads reviews, for example so the viewer can decide if they want to know or not.
@brees3
3 жыл бұрын
On the trigger warning thing, I feel like we need some agreed upon universal design on the back or inside jacket of books that list them. I understand some people see triggers as spoilers, especially things like death of a parent or death of a partner. But it isn't hard to put them somewhere on the book where people who need to know triggers can see them and people who don't won't see it. I feel like authors against triggers entirely are just lazy and use things like assault for shock value in the hopes readers will interpret their shock as entertainment. Edit: Also, for indie authors, trigger warnings can only help you. Imagine pouring your entire soul into your book only for it to be review bombed because no one was warned there was a graphic scene and it ruined the book for a bunch of people. If you warned them, they'd know what to expect and your rating would be higher.
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
I think universal trigger warnings will be hard to do but I wish it was a thing
@StaceyReads
3 жыл бұрын
That author statement about triggers warnings is just wow. On top of all the things you already brought up surrounding this conversation, it was also insensitive for her to use the statement "go in blind". While it's a common expression and an easy thing to say, the expression in and of itself also implies that blind people don't know anything. Last time I checked, impaired sight doesn't equal being clueless. xD
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
Great point!
@StaceyReads
3 жыл бұрын
@@JessOwens I don't know why that & "tone deaf" became common but they're both blehh expressions when I think about them!
@audiem.7353
3 жыл бұрын
“Far white” sounds about right.
@sephestra.
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking!!
@mlibbym
3 жыл бұрын
I remember that story about the Astronaut Affair when it happened, that was so wild! It was everywhere at the time
@isabellascarbrough3594
3 жыл бұрын
That book sounds like it was written for the sole purpose of throwing awful things into a book versus plot purpose.
@bettyreads222
3 жыл бұрын
That last story is a wild ride! Appreciate you for always keeping us updated.
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
I try my best 😂
@RobinReads
3 жыл бұрын
Ms. Roberts just reading the people for filth. And I love it!👏🏾👏🏾 Also those astronauts were on one. I remember the story about the woman and her diaper and I remember having a lot of logistical questions 🥴
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 I never heard of the astronaut story before. Like how ridiculous 💀😂
@emilyhebert5701
3 жыл бұрын
The trigger warning statement reminds me about the book I read last year where there was a statement at the front by the author, literally begging the readers not to discuss the plot twist with anyone who hasn’t read the book because it will “ruin the book.” Spoiler, the plot twist was super bad and handled in just about the grossest way possible and I immediately began discussing it with people so that they wouldn’t read the book. If a trigger warning would literally ruin the book, then what? Sexual assault or violence or whatever the potential trigger is a fun plot twist? Because that’s basically what you’re saying by making a scene about refusing to put them up. If someone doesn’t want to know about it going in, they can just not read the trigger list. If you have to go through such an effort, begging people not to discuss some element of your book unless they’ve read your book because it will ruin it otherwise, then your book probably isn’t that good to begin with.
@myonnareads
3 жыл бұрын
the story at the end felt like one of those true crime youtube videos with the twists and turns
@LocDBooktician
3 жыл бұрын
I just love Ms. Nora! She ain’t one to play with
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
She’s never been the one !
@AvasReads
3 жыл бұрын
Another great video, Jess! my fav visual podcast
@LuxuriousBlu
3 жыл бұрын
Wendy Williams and Lifetime need to pick up that last story and make a movie.
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
ASAP!
@chrisyoungberg3245
3 жыл бұрын
The effort it took to put together the astronaut-AF Capt-and spurned ex story and make it make sense, is next level 👌🤣 what a wild ride!
@bry4212
3 жыл бұрын
That last story was a rollercoaster from start to finish 🤯 I was like how does that connect with books lmao and something about you urgently explaining it was cracking me up
@litadriana5858
3 жыл бұрын
As an arts reporter for a local paper, I always ALWAYS get galleys for Nora Roberts’ books and skip them because her stories aren’t really my thing. But DAMN, much respect for her!
@belenbravo9743
3 жыл бұрын
I do think sometimes tw are spoilers but that doesn't mean you don't have to say them, you can perfectly put them at the end, under a spoiler tag if it's a review, or at the end of the book.
@samh7206
3 жыл бұрын
If you seriously cant write a book without using triggering stuff as twists or as your plot maybe youre not such a good writer lol "This book is meant to make you feel - and thats a good thing"? Yeah, panic attacks, suicidal thoughts, dissociation, flashbacks, thats absolutely what im looking to experience when i read books lmao?
@martham268
3 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I was thinking. I don’t go to a book to re-experience my trauma no thank you 😐😐
@kristina_lynn
3 жыл бұрын
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK! yes!
@Victoria-cm7yh
3 жыл бұрын
True! And writing that way won't earn an author lasting interest from readers. As much as sensationalism may sell, it's books with strong stories, themes, and characters that really stick with people over the years.
@samh7206
3 жыл бұрын
@@Victoria-cm7yh definitely true!
@Betsylicious
3 жыл бұрын
This is the first time that i have watched one of your communitea videos and i loved it. Thanks for the good content and the tea.
@mrejj04
3 жыл бұрын
"You have to write" I'm feeling a little attacked LMAO
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
That tweet was SO LOUD😭
@yandereplumblossom
3 жыл бұрын
While the whole "Other writers are your enemies" was going around, i was fangirling over a Writer i follow publishing her first book
@heyimsasa
3 жыл бұрын
i like how people get up in arms about people being "sensitive" and needing trigger warnings when it costs 0 dollars to be kind and just respect people? like it would have taken almost no energy to write a short page/line of trigger warnings as opposed to the word vomit of nonsense that was brought about because the author was upset about people needing trigger warnings 😂
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
Right !? It’s not that hard ! And to go on and say don’t “ruin the book” for others. Ugh, it’s gross
@snoopygonewilder
3 жыл бұрын
Lol. After you told of the whole story about the astronauts and the literary agent I went back and read the screenshot of the comment. I laughed my ass off.
@JessOwens
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@catsreadbooks9359
3 жыл бұрын
Haha, so when you said Lisa wore a diaper to drive to Florida to confront Colleen I was like, "Oh yeah - THAT story!"
@JessieMaeBooks
3 жыл бұрын
NORA BACK AT IT 👏👏👏 Also WTFFF IS THIS ASTRONAUT STORY?! That is WILD!!!!!
@avsambart
3 жыл бұрын
Trigger warnings should be on books!!! Especially the big ones like r*pe and child abuse etc. I can understand not trigger warning 'm*rder' for a thriller book (for example) because isn't that an assumed trigger of thrillers anyway(?) But damn, the big ones should definitely be labelled. It doesn't spoil who does it, when it happens etc, but as a reader I'd like to be mentally prepared that it's gunna pop up.
@ruby7706
3 жыл бұрын
people perceive "triggers" in a way that evokes feeling of upsetness/sadness - no a "trigger warning" is beyond that. it's a physical and emotional reaction to a topic that is harmful to victims and survivors who have PTSD (undiagnosed or not). Tbh, if your book's trigger warning is "spoiling" the plot then I question why the fuck is triggering content necessary to further your damn plot? Talk about the lack of imagination
@gracedays7443
3 жыл бұрын
The people refusing to watch a film because of the politics of its actress are the same ones accusing others of being “hateful” and “intolerant” for not speaking to homophobic & racist family members 😶
@kaylughmanda
3 жыл бұрын
my thing with trigger warnings is always that i'm not sure exactly where the line is. like what exactly i should be warning for. i have a spider thing and if the pet dies i'm gonna lose it but i don't know that i would expect a trigger warning for either of those things. i end up falling back on the AO3 archive warnings as my blueprint (ie non con, graphic violence, major character death, and underage) but then i might also warn for disordered eating or self harm but it wouldn't occur to me to warn for a depressed character in general as that one commenter listed. if it's an erotica or a book with graphic sex what if any (consensual) kink should you trigger warn for? anyway none of this is to say that i think we shouldn't have trigger warnings, just that i personally find the whole thing a bit overwhelming. there's not an exhaustive list of things that should be warned for and since triggers/squicks are such a deeply personal thing it's nigh impossible to ever create one.
@Groanola
3 жыл бұрын
I was soooo confused with that last story 😅 (not your fault. The story is just a mess!)
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