I know a devout LDS woman who sincerely believes that her mixed race grandchildren's beautiful skin is proof of God's hand in purifying the Lamanites.
@MsYoung-nx5cv
Ай бұрын
I have finally recovered from the psychological effects of participating on the church's Placement Program, being placed with a Utah County family from the age of eight - all in an effort to force my skin to become white and delightsome. I was embarrassed to be descended from the wicked lamanites (try sitting in Sunday School or Primary with those stories ringing in your ears) and being told the BoM is "my special book" though which is so special. lol! Skin of blackness only means one thing to children- there's someone to taunt here! I have beautiful brown skin and would never in a million years change my color. Growing up in Utah County during the 60-70s was torture with very few brown people and being called "Wicked Lamanite" or the N word.
@JourneytoJustice2024
Ай бұрын
I pray you've overcome a demeaning past a loving future.
@ExploreXplore394
Ай бұрын
That's sad. For native Indians to suffer genocide and then be told skin is not good enough based on religion never mind the world's prejudices based on colour is a heavy blow to last a long time. The truth is you are just as good as any white counterparts and if there is a god, god would never discriminate against a persons colour.
@John-uq7uu
Ай бұрын
Try the Baha'i faith.. our prophet teaches us that racism and segregation are evil....
@John-uq7uu
Ай бұрын
Check out the Baha'i faith.. you can find it on Google.. we reject all forms of racism and Prejudice.. read the writings of the Baha'i Prophets and see if you don't find truth in them he says,, your religious leaders have betrayed you.. that's how I feel about the Mormon church anyone was Common Sense knows this is not God's will
@alison2649
Ай бұрын
Wow damn that’s awful. Now that you’re away from all that crap I hope you can take some measure of delight in knowing that all those ppl are gullible cult members who will believe ANYTHING
@JSandLDS
Ай бұрын
I love the fact that Jasmin says 'Skin colour doesn't change like this, that's not how it works, so it's clearly some kind of metaphor' - So by the same token 'Looking in magic stones isn't the way you translate languages, so clearly Joseph Smith didn't really translate the book of Mormon.' yeah?
@giannaleng1897
Ай бұрын
It’s also presentism. We, in the 21st century, know how skin works. Those writing the BoM back in the 1800’s didn’t have the same depth of knowledge as we do. What’s to say that they didn’t actually believe that that’s how skin works 🤷🏽♀️?
@gxgx1190
Ай бұрын
Their logic doesn’t remain consistent, they apply different logic to make Mormonism true.
@MillaJ100
Ай бұрын
Yeah really- and what would that metaphor be, Jasmin? Any way you interpret the Book of Mormon-it’s racist
@NileGoddess
Ай бұрын
@@giannaleng1897yet the BOM is written to its purity and the only true book on earth lol
@RangeMcrangeface
Ай бұрын
How can the BOM use of the word black in the passage “black and white, bond and free” be referring to skin, but not when it explicitly says “skin of blackness”?
@MrWilliamKennedy
Ай бұрын
@@RangeMcrangeface exactly, It’s not referring to race or skin color because the term “black” wasn’t invented yet. If it was referring to black people then they would’ve referred to black people with terms of that time period like slave, colored, or even negro.
@emilysnow6757
10 күн бұрын
MIND BLOWN! Excellent point.
@Krader2121
Ай бұрын
You guys are constantly having such meaningful conversations. Thank you.
@Larissa-eo3pt
Ай бұрын
Who's using presentism, exactly? She cites Leviticus and says that "skin doesn't work that way so this MUST be a metaphor." WE know skin doesn't work that way. The writers of Leviticus had no such knowledge. The author of the book of mormon might have known that skin doesn't work that way, but he didn't leave any room for it to be a metaphor. He went full racist.
@ValeriePeterson-w5f
Ай бұрын
John I grew up in the Mormon church wasn’t active but you have taught me so much thank you and thank you to all of your guests 😊
@user-og2wt3le4j
Ай бұрын
It would help if you do these debates to bring in an anthropologist, sociologist, or historian to discuss these issues. They could bring a lot better insight into what constitutes racism, its manifestations in history, and how word usage surrounding race has changed over time.
@alison2649
Ай бұрын
Yessssss
@quacks2much
Ай бұрын
Not one Morrmon I knew in the 1960s and 1970s thought "white" was anything but skin color for the Lamanites. My book of Mormon in the 60s and 70s read, "white and delightsome." It's my understandanding that Joseph Smith reverted the B of M to read "white," then the church changed it back to reading "white," from 1841 to 1981 (140 years).
@user-og2wt3le4j
Ай бұрын
There is a part of the old Doctrine and Covenants that used white (skin) and later changed it to pure.
@wow561
Ай бұрын
I’m so glad you guys are addressing this apologetic push by the likes of Jasmine, she drives me up a wall with her quick glossing over of major problems with Mormonism! Her efforts while somewhat sincere are rife with misrepresentations and lack honesty!
@aBrewster29
Ай бұрын
I don’t mind her putting ideas out there, but she is categorically dismissive of the criticisms and speaks with an unjustified air of surety. It comes off as arrogant and condescending.
@MsEvergreenful
Ай бұрын
I left a comment about the thumbnail (and it’s now disappeared) explaining why the thumbnail is problematic. Anyhow, I love the wonderful and important work you do but please swap out the thumbnail.
@ExploreXplore394
Ай бұрын
I would like to have read your comment about the thumbnail. I'm sure I would have been enlighten. I have to admit I thought uneasy and angry about the thumbnail but I could not put my finger on why I was feeling that way.
@kittyhamshire1274
Ай бұрын
Was on the placement program in the 1970s , messed me up mentally, still suffering in my 60s.😢
@NileGoddess
Ай бұрын
How was the placement program?
@rosemariebennett7213
Ай бұрын
Definitely do an LDS discussions on the code names
@TeinaPiripi
Ай бұрын
Same teachings for Maori people are taught that we are laminates … church won’t let my son bless the sacrament in our language his indigenous language which we have been restoring here in Aotearoa New Zealand.
@terryberwick760
Ай бұрын
I am in Australia and I was curious how they would handle Oz and nz. Aust is doing the same with indigenous culture and language
@thomasrobertson9643
Ай бұрын
I served my mission in Northern Mexico in the mid 1990’s. I can vouch for what Gerardo says about what’s being taught. I even remember getting a letter from my bishop stating that I was fortunate for serving in Mexico during what he called “the day of the lamanite.” I’ve also been to Tulum but not directly expirienced that Mormon tours sale pitches there. I have, however heard of these tours being offered in other places.
@johnthomasmoulton8934
Ай бұрын
This marriage concept, gaining American Indian resources, reminded me of the movie "The Killers of The Flower Moon," based on actual events.
@questionalways628
Ай бұрын
I was born and raised in Utah. I have learned more about Utah history on this podcast than any history class. Although I have many family members that are still practicing Mormons. They don't realize the truth of the religion. I have not listened to this podcast yet however, I'm hopeful that it will discuss the native American that were actually taken as slaves.
@birdlyword2
29 күн бұрын
The original D&C 98 is one of the funniest things I've seen. Thanks for sharing this!
@EasternDreamer615
Ай бұрын
Great to see the crew here
@kennethd.9436
Ай бұрын
(White) Ammon: went to the king, became a servant and cut off a bunch of people’s arms. Then converts hundreds of people. (Dark) Samuel the Lamanite: preaches from the wall and arrows miss him. Converts next to none and the converts went to someone else to be baptized. White savior complex.
@tracygrist8038
Ай бұрын
You are a rock star, John!
@LenaOn_Me
Ай бұрын
Can’t wait for this one!
@cynthianelson9623
Ай бұрын
Jasmine speaks way too fast when she tries to justify her view stand. It's as if she doesn't want to allow someone to think about her statements.
@MrGenX-tq3jl
Ай бұрын
She can't speak fast enough to cover up her awful arguments. I wonder if she is intentionally doing a Ben Shapiro impression.
@laurendiaz7380
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this discussion! It was great and so interesting! I went to the Scripture Plus Instagram to leave a few comments related to what you all discussed. & after reading some other comments, I can’t believe how it seems like orthodox Mormonism protects racist and sexist ideas. It is sick! Racist and sexist ideas need to be denounced, and not excused like these Scripture Plus videos.
@OMGitsaClaire
Ай бұрын
Hearing about Zelph and knowing what I know about Joseph Smith, is there ever any record or implication that he was a water witcher? Working in historic cemeteries, especially in rural areas, I come across them frequently. The phrase “water witcher” comes from the fact that their main job in communities was to help people find the best location for their well. People who practice this use a forked stick (one hand on each fork) or two iron rods. Many of them, particularly the practitioners using iron rods, also claim to be able to find graves and learn information about the person (gender and age mostly) from the rods. I’ve worked with and around witchers in the past and I find them really obnoxious most of the time, being trained in cemetery archaeology. I watched two of them nearly come to blows once trying to place a marker at the grave of a Confederate veteran. Neither could decide where his grave was. We just pulled out the plot map for them and pointed. Granted, I’ve been told by these “gentlemen” (I have never met a female witcher) that I “don’t have the gift” so maybe that’s why I’m skeptical, but the story of Zelph would make a lot of sense if Joseph Smith considered himself a water witcher.
@rosemariebennett7213
Ай бұрын
Never heard of Zelph until I watched the episode on it. The prophet Onandagus lol well , Joseph Smith lived not far from the Onandaga Nation in upstate NY ! About two hours away from where I live . Geeze .
@grandmaroxie2210
Ай бұрын
Please refrain from calling the native American women squaw! It is a term to dehumanize them. The men were called bucks. The language is important in understanding what people are treated as not worthy. I find it interesting that joseph want the men to marry the women??
@ExploreXplore394
Ай бұрын
I agree. Thank you.
@John-uq7uu
Ай бұрын
Is a member of the Baha'i faith,, we are taught to respect everyone.. and that people with no religion are better than people who follow a false prophet.. never forget the God gave us all the gift of discernment,, that is the ability to know the truth.. I'm sorry,, but I cannot believe that anyone would fall for the Book of Mormon we read all of the different religious books we are encouraged to read them all and then make up our mind for ourselves all of the Baha'i people that I have met are wonderful people
@grandmaroxie2210
Ай бұрын
@@John-uq7uu well said
@woobiefuntime
Ай бұрын
Why should we do that. We should use those words in a historical context .
@flutterbybird13
Ай бұрын
You are awesome! I appreciate you for what you do! I too grew up in a cult! Haven’t heard anyone talking about it, but it was a big cult! It has idk how many splinters came from the church. Maybe you have heard of it. It’s the Worldwide Church of God. It doesn’t exist now, has another name has a whole different way of believing.
@ulexite-tv
Ай бұрын
I remember Herbert W. Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God, and his son Garner Ted Armstrong as well. Their church seemed very friendly from the outside, but the deeper i dug into it, and the longer i watched and listened, the more difficult it became for me to believe that there was a true spiritual basis to the teachings they propounded. I am sure that for you, living through an experience which i only observed as an outsider, must have been difficult. Know one thing: It wasn't your fault and you were not foolish for having faith or hope. They were the ones at fault for deceiving people.
@andradanielleparrott
Ай бұрын
I had friends who were World Wide Church of God growing up in AL in the 90s.
@John-uq7uu
Ай бұрын
It blows my mind that so many millions of people have fallen for this obvious con game..... and giving billions of their hard-earned money to a cult
@John-uq7uu
Ай бұрын
@@ulexite-tvI read the Bible in the Quran and then I read the Baha'i writings.. the Baha'i teachings most accurately mirror God's will
@ronagracebatt
26 күн бұрын
Can you have an episode taking about Lars Nielsen's book called "How the Book of Mormon Came To Pass"
@benjamingardea4511
Ай бұрын
Very first clip - skin color doesn’t change, that’s not how it works. Supposedly she looked through 700+ pages on the topic. Did she skip all the 20th century prophetic comments about Lamanites’ skin becoming lighter?
@tawnyachristensen7310
Ай бұрын
Great video!
@trevanon7450
Ай бұрын
The question mark on the guy's face on the thumbnail... priceless! 🤣
@John-uq7uu
Ай бұрын
It's hard for me to believe that millions of people have given billions of dollars to these fraudsters.. kind of like people support Trump
@kirkweeden6281
Ай бұрын
Not all members buy into the apologists’ bizarre line of thought on this one. Others within the church are happy to wrestle with the text. Grant Hardy has been open about his belief that Nephi just made a mistake by associating a curse with skin of blackness, and there’s some merit to this on a close reading of 2 Nephi 5. The argument echoes the history of the church today re the priesthood ban as illustrated in your marvellous series with Matt Harris - a major prophet figure (e.g Nephi/Brigham) sets a damaging precedent that others have to reckon with.
@mellisagreen7801
Ай бұрын
It is clear that letter is about polygamy. Note JS says the missionaries should take wives from among Native Anerican women but he does not say native American men can come among them and take white wives. It only applies to white men. It is polygamy, racism and thievery.
@wendymerrillperry9699
Ай бұрын
Excommunications were also covered this way I think. Can you imagine me at 12 having no clue. Sure would have been nice to have it in English
@johnthomasmoulton8934
Ай бұрын
This was one of my most favorite episodes. From Joseph Smith "freestyling" Zelph the white Lamenite to fudging the books, with ridiculous names. A satire series could/should be made with this material.
@whitesalamander
Ай бұрын
Power packed with timely content!
@rosemariebennett7213
Ай бұрын
Excellent episode
@bodytrainer1crane730
23 күн бұрын
It's like Joseph Smith and his friends were playing a game of D&D, only they really were leading real life people. So messed up.
@carolinea3899
Ай бұрын
Hey can you guys please PLEASE PLEASE stop using AI art for thumbnails, it’s turned me off from watching lately. I’ve already made comments about it before, AI steals artists work without their consent, it’s an ecological time bomb that is so bad for the environment, and it often uses biased (cough racist) stereotypes when asked to create images of POC. Please stop using it. I know you want to reach a lot of people with these videos and that’s great but there’s other ways to make thumbnails to do so. 💔
@dontmicrowavecats
Ай бұрын
YES! The thumbnail was different when it went live (AI stereotypical Black man with stereotypical Native American headpiece and hair) and I commented on it then. They only confirmed it was AI. I see they have changed it but I'm not sure how this is better.
@meganjosterhout
Ай бұрын
@@dontmicrowavecatsI don’t think it has changed because I am still seeing that thumbnail. They are probably using a/b testing so it’s changing back and forth. I hope they remove the digital blackface.
@jadeferraris8229
Ай бұрын
I almost spit out my coffee upon hearingLane shine house
@mattmanning96
Ай бұрын
The mental gymnastics, cognitive dissonance and outright denial are staggering.
@rtharalson
Ай бұрын
1:29:14 - “No, I think you’re very right.” Why would you start an agreement statement with “no”?
@user-og2wt3le4j
Ай бұрын
Skin of Blackness at 17:52. Wasn't there a BYU professor who wrote about this? He was interviewed about it on some KZitem channel. It seemed to me the same old argument of LDS apologetics. Downplay any controversy in the Book of Mormon, discount any critics, and defend the church and the events of the restoration.
@BramptonAnglican
Ай бұрын
How would they explain indigenous people in Canada?
@terryberwick760
Ай бұрын
I was thinking the same about Australia or new Zealand
@Erin____
Ай бұрын
This is off-topic but I would still love some input. My husband grew up LDS (doesn’t attend anymore), and I have never been part of the church. Most of his family is heavily involved in the church. I want to have a close relationship with my in-laws but I feel this invisible wall between us whenever we visit. Is there anything I can do?
@iamjustsaying1
Ай бұрын
Boy, I hate to even say this, but that wall is likely to remain in place unless you join the church. Then, you'll see that wall come immediately down; and the love bombing and flattery for making such a wise decision will rain down on you. Bear in mind that for a member to choose a nonmember spouse is a profound disappointment to loved ones. Your family can't be sealed up for eternity with them; no celestial glory. And so on. So, you will just have to continue to show forth love, and remain silent about their crazy cult beliefs if you want to stay on good terms.
@ExploreXplore394
Ай бұрын
I can't speak for every Mormon but I find Mormons generally live in a bubble because of their religion in other words they may be detached from the world because of their religion. So the barrier you feel could be their religion. As to what you can do. I don't think you can do anything, Mormons like to be different. I suppose you can start by accepting them for being Mormons if that helps. But I have a bias against Mormons based on their beliefs.
@ExploreXplore394
Ай бұрын
I can't speak for every Mormon but I find Mormons generally live in a bubble because of their religion in other words they may be detached from the world because of their religion. So the barrier you feel could be their religion. As to what you can do. I don't think you can do anything, Mormons like to be different. I suppose you can start by accepting them for being Mormons if that helps. But I have a bias against Mormons based on their beliefs.
@ExploreXplore394
Ай бұрын
I can't speak for every Mormon but I find Mormons generally live in a bubble because of their religion in other words they may be detached from the world because of their religion. So the barrier you feel could be their religion. As to what you can do. I don't think you can do anything, Mormons like to be different. I suppose you can start by accepting them for being Mormons if that helps. But I have a bias against Mormons based on their beliefs.
@ExploreXplore394
Ай бұрын
I can't speak for every Mormon but I find Mormons generally live in a bubble because of their religion in other words they may be detached from the world because of their religion. so the barrier you feel could be their religion. As to what you can do . I don't think you can do anything, Mormons like to be different. I suppose you can start by accepting them for being Mormons if that helps. But I have a bias against Mormons based on their beliefs.
@user-og2wt3le4j
Ай бұрын
At 18:56. It always surprises me how many church members self- label as descendants of Lamanites. I even have heard members from the Philippines tell me they were Lamanites.
@NileGoddess
Ай бұрын
Phillipinos bleach their skin to be white
@bodytrainer1crane730
23 күн бұрын
Zelph's post-mortem 😂😂😂
@rachelm7592
Ай бұрын
Have you been using AI art for the video thumbnails?
@mormonstories
Ай бұрын
Gerardo can answer.
@rachelm7592
Ай бұрын
Ok, just curious!
@richharkness5942
Ай бұрын
I was the stake mission leader over the Spanish initiative and taught the Latinos in the stake they were lamanities. My fiancee getting married this Sunday in Cusco Peru. Is peruvian 9th generation her DNA is Japanese and Mongolian not from Jerusalem.
@kentthalman4459
25 күн бұрын
Cults reinvent or change the meaning of common words
@townsendv58
Ай бұрын
Great episode.
@dianemelling5446
Ай бұрын
I don't believe for a second that the upper leaders don't know about this. They know all of it. Call it the Porter Rockwell of missionary work. They know all of the stuff. Even without magical seer stones.if there's anything we know about stuff like this is the as t the church just plays Mean Girls stupid. What? Us ? We would never
@merrikwright19
Ай бұрын
Love MSP... But you should keep AI art out of the thumbnails
@clcole5655
Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@TeborangaTioti
Ай бұрын
Racist in the sense that they call themselves saints.
@jcall666
Ай бұрын
How many verses in the Book of Mormon were changed from a skin of darkness to pure or white and delightsome. Am I thought Joey Smith was “translating” the BoM from a rock in a hat and the words that appeared on the seer stone were enunciated by Joey to the scribe. If Joey didn’t get the words correct he was not able to proceed and no other words would appear on the rock until he dictated correctly. Jasmine is shameless.
@jorgitosalazar38
Ай бұрын
I remember a multi Stakes conference in Monterrey México in a concerta venue ( auditorio coca cola) Richard Scott and I guess Dalkin H Oaks they were apostles and they talked to us the audience and said you are the lamanites and the lamanites will Blossom like the roses or something like that that the book of Mormon says, so I'm confused we are we are not the lamanites a Mexican and I would like to know!!
@jlcl96
Ай бұрын
The case they make (very effectively) on the LDS discussions series here on Mormon Stories is that the Book of Mormon is a fictional creation by Joseph Smith grounded in 19th century ideas and racism. So, nobody is a Lamanite because they never existed. One of the worst parts about the Book of Mormon is that it has led Latin Americans to reject their real history and culture for a completely made up one.
@kurtbradwill
Ай бұрын
45:35 John I hope you know what this whack a mole game to it's logical conclusion means - at some point it will be that the BoM may have not been set on the earth and it's another planet we don't know about
@wendymerrillperry9699
Ай бұрын
The doctrine and C i grew up reading was with code names
@aBrewster29
Ай бұрын
Before diving into apologetics it’s important to lay the ground rules, which both apologists and critics tend to get overlook. 1 - exploring possibilities with an open mind is a critical part of truth seeking, even the scientific method. As a subset of this, if you’re not allowing for the Church to be wrong (or right) on any given claim, you’re not engaged in truth seeking, but in propaganda. 2 - plausibility is important, but is not 100% reliable. We’re talking about hundreds of assertions and datapoints. Some weird stuff is going to happen. Whether one attributes such occurrences to God is a personal matter. 3 - consistency is critical. Apologists frequently rely heavily on ambiguity in the text to justify a specific dogmatic interpretation elsewhere-those two are mutually exclusive.
@brettpinion4233
Ай бұрын
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrews 13:8 The BOM Jesus is a false, different God no matter how you spin it.
@quogue
21 күн бұрын
Julia please slow down the pace you speak. It’s annoying.
@tonelove666
Ай бұрын
Apologetics are so stupid it’s amazing… And there is always a deep ARROGANCE they speak with. It’s embarrassing to watch so I try to skip them all…
@fredflintstone8048
Ай бұрын
One must remember that in previous times with previous cultures that people were in fact racists. We're sensitive to it today, but they were not at all back then. It was normal and most people in communities felt that way. The problem is that there were a number of religious leaders, people that considered themselves authorities, prophets etc. either wrongly interpreted the bible as God making a separation between the ethnicities, or making up their own theology out of thin air. The bible doesn't teach racism. If we study the bible carefully the Israelites were to keep free of the nations not due to skin color but rather because of religions traditions, paganism etc. God didn't want the nation of Israel to pollute prescribed true worship with the pagan worship practices toward their pagan gods. We really can't make too harsh of a judgement against generations long gone now that made distinctions based on skin color and other physical attribute. The bible teaches that Christians will be made up of all kinds of people: Rev_5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, Rev_14:6 Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people.
@John-uq7uu
Ай бұрын
Your religious leaders have betrayed you and there's a special place in hell for them.. Baha'i prophet.. Google Baha'i
@boooobear15
Ай бұрын
The thumbnail is such a poor and problematic choice. The fact that this video has been up for two days and this flop of a thumbnail has remained is disappointing
@boooobear15
Ай бұрын
Also finding it really hard to believe that no one else in the comments section has qualms with the thumbnail meaning you guys are probably deleting those comments?
@gerardosumano3059
Ай бұрын
Can you explain your opinion about what it is problematic?
@cmf1402
28 күн бұрын
@@gerardosumano3059 I can't speak on behalf of @boooobear15, but I suspected at the time that the image may have been AI-generated. My suspicions came from my understanding that most AI generated photos of people can't accurately recreate imperfections or detail in skin so they end up having very polished-looking skin. AI-generated art tends to be generated by tracing and copying details from large amounts of art pieces, often without the consent of the artists.
@NuisanceMan
Ай бұрын
Charles Manson was white and delightsome.
@With_a_Grain_of_Salt
17 күн бұрын
Even if it is a metaphor, it is still racist. Equating dark with bad is a micro aggression.
@InternationalMysteries360
Ай бұрын
I think Jasmine was actually offensive.
@sgee-vc1hz
Ай бұрын
Yes, the infamous Tattoo Temple Ban.
@rykdheiner
Ай бұрын
I’m a Texan and welcome Nemo anytime❤
@InternationalMysteries360
Ай бұрын
What happened to the Jubilee clip?
@mormonstories
Ай бұрын
They made us remove it. Sorry!!!
@joellavergne2001
Ай бұрын
*cough* Jacob 3:5 *cough*
@She_it_her
Ай бұрын
❤
@anayasenglish
Ай бұрын
(3)❤❤❤The video is great👍👍👍
@51melrose
Ай бұрын
Julia talks too fast! Slow down!
@user-mn447
Ай бұрын
It’s pronounced Rap-lee
@gxgx1190
Ай бұрын
Jazmin is insufferable
@gxgx1190
Ай бұрын
Her husband is a part of the cavalry group on facebook which engages in abusive apologetics. I think more light needs to be shed on them.
@John-uq7uu
Ай бұрын
In 1850,, there we're two prophets in Persia prophet teaching the Baha'i faith when was killed by the Muslim leaders in a firing squad the other was banished and imprisoned most of his life... you can read all of their writings and compare them with this Mormon fairy tale.. we are taught did segregation and discrimination are contrary to God's will.. men and women are equal in the eyes of God.. you cannot even become a Baha'i until you are at least 18 years of age,, capable of making up your mind for yourself.. and we are encouraged to read all of the great holy books and to discern for ourselves with guidance from the Holy Spirit,, the truth.. you can Google Baha'i faith and read the actual words of the prophets,, written in their own hands .. one thing that they wrote is that your religious leaders have betrayed you and there is a special place in hell for them .. real religions don't demand 10% of your money and real religions are not afraid of studying all the other religions... I just Googled the Baha'i faith I read its history and I was able to read the books written by the prophets I learned that thousands of people lost their lives for refusing to reject their faith the Baha'i people are still persecuted in Iran today.. but we have members in every state of the union.. you have to look for us because we don't advertise or go door to door.. our Prophet says,, to research with an open mind and to pray for guidance.. that God gave us the gift of discernment.. the ability to know the truth
@alison2649
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Gerardo is only darker than you guys where the sun shines,lol. His bottom is several shades lighter ❤
@MrWilliamKennedy
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If you read the Book of Mormon, you'll see that it is not inherently racist; rather, it reflects the time period in which it was written. The concept of race, as we understand it today, was a construct developed in the 1600s to divide us rather than unite us. The reference to the "skin of blackness" in the Book of Mormon is not about race in the modern sense. Historical context is essential. For example, the Book of Mormon was published in 1830, a time when racial divisions were being solidified in the United States. The concept of race as a means of division emerged during the 1600s, particularly with the transatlantic slave trade and colonial expansion, which used racial categories to justify slavery and unequal treatment. Additionally, scholars note that terms like "skin of blackness" in the Book of Mormon have been interpreted variously over time. Some believe these references are metaphorical, indicating spiritual rather than physical differences. The Church's official stance, as outlined in the Gospel Topics essay "Race and the Priesthood," acknowledges that past teachings on race were influenced by the social and cultural norms of the time, rather than divine doctrine. @Brothazinthefoyer
@mormonstories
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Someone didn’t actually watch the episode
@MrWilliamKennedy
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@@mormonstories No someone actually didn’t read the Book of Mormon or Bible.
@questionalways628
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Skin of blackness. Simple, black skin. Hard to see it any other way. Sincerely, get it together bro.
@MrWilliamKennedy
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Obviously, you don’t know what the word "black" even means. In the Book of Mormon, the term "black" refers to spirituality. For instance, in Alma 55:4, it states, "For they would not depart until they had got their god; therefore we see that they were not brought into captivity because of their transgression and wickedness." The contemporary use of the word "black" to refer to race or skin color was developed long after the Book of Mormon was written. In my culture, "black" signifies cultural identity and heritage, not skin color. This distinction is crucial. The term "black" embodies a rich cultural experience, history, and community, rather than just a physical characteristic. So, there's a significant difference here, buddy.
@MrWilliamKennedy
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If “black” in the Book of Mormon referred to people, they would have used terms common in the 1830s, such as “Negro,” “slave,” or “colored.”
@donnavaughn9409
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The Lord created us, he created race and what happened to some tribes in the end after they lost the blessings were that others did look down on them for their color and filthiness of body, in the 1800's some were looked down on by European whites more than black people. My husband is part Tahitian and there is no problem with people of any color who are clean. However back then that mark of being darker meant that the Lamanites would know them and stay away because those 2 brothers of Nephi had many children who were taught anything but the truths of the records of their fathers from Israel, they became in the end blood thirsty, and then the white Nephites were also wicked as well, and those civilizations south of N America were left and when I was young in the 1960's and 70's history told us that they didn't know what happened to all those people, meaning why they died, and in the Book of Mormon we read of peoples being destroy by the sword in very large numbers and we read of their cities being built, their calendars were intricate as they are mentioned and it is a very complex and sophisticated book. In the last days it's the gentiles who would bring the records back to the Lamanites, who came from the Jews, and it was the Jews would bring it to the world at the beginning. Don't listen to this man, he left the church and spends all his time finding people to try to discredit this work of the last days.
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