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@randalllawkin
2 жыл бұрын
Will you check out the HECO 700 aurora speakers?
@cheapaudioman
2 жыл бұрын
@Fisher Man ha. Yeah
@mikebalhorn
2 жыл бұрын
@cheapaudioman, can I get over the build quality of the Unifi 2.0 towers for $450 or hold out for the DFR52?
@Xull042
2 жыл бұрын
I think you are right on most of your points and I mostly agree, although I think you missed some things (especially my point #1). Watched a review some time ago (don't remember who did it) that was talking about the "fake" duality between bookshelves and tower speaker: 1) You can also have a sub with tower speaker if you like. That may need a bit harder to place correctly, but it is doable. That way you can extend the lower bass that your not-full-range tower speaker might not have, while also having the spatial caracteristic of multiple drivers. If you mentionned it in your review, sorry if I missed it ! Did you experiment towers+sub ? If you have any thoughts I am curious ! 2) If you want more sound signature, and it is what I actually do, you can get tower speakers on A and bookshelves on B, why would you have to chose only bookshelves ? Some songs, I prefer them on my tower speaker, others when I like more clarity in the voice (piano/vocal only for example), I prefer my bookshelves. That said, you need to have the space and make an argument to have 2 permanent setup (and maybe even 2 amp).
@thecatjinx
2 жыл бұрын
Here I was hoping your sponsor was Weyland looking to get volunteers to help out with the face hugger test subjects.
@jeffkelly5972
2 жыл бұрын
I ran down to the kitchen to get a cup of coffee and my wife said are you listening to that audio guy again.
@RP-ms7lu
Жыл бұрын
😀😀😀
@Jethr001
8 ай бұрын
yep and he wants you to buy a new pair of speakers!!
@bottomendbliss
7 ай бұрын
@@Jethr001 Yes and he said small penis's....i mean small speakers are better than large ones.
@carlitot5388
4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@Eric-xx3mb
2 жыл бұрын
You can easily add subwoofers to tower speakers for even better frequency blend and great bass. Once you add stands to bookshelf speakers they take us just as much space as tower speakers. Just like with bookshelf speakers you can subs for even better bass. Unless the room is small I feel like the advantage lies with tower speakers, but I respect your opinion.
@Eric-xx3mb
2 жыл бұрын
@@wojtek-33 You're paying more for towers, but flexibility is debatable. Towers can fill a larger room with more sound and at least give you the option to use them without subs later if you choose to do so and retain more bass extension. One could argue towers may be able to blend with subs better than book shelves, once again due to greater bass extension. The only flexibility book shelves give you come from their size, but since you usually have to put them on speaker stands they use up about the same amount of space in the room as towers anyway. It's true that book shelves can be more easily shipped when reselling them, however. I feel like the larger your room and budget the more attractive tower speakers will become. If you're buying high-end speakers and you like to get new ones every couple of years and you don't live in a large metro area where reselling is possible you may want to consider bookshelf speakers based on resellability alone.
@shipsahoy1793
2 жыл бұрын
In my mind, if you have to add a subwoofer to a pair of stereo tower speakers, then you probably shouldn’t be buying those tower speakers, because in that specific instance, the flexibility of being able to use subwoofers with the towers is really going cost you more, and what space are you really saving in a large room against floorstanders?
@robwasnj
2 жыл бұрын
As a 53 year old man who spent countless hours in "sound rooms" during his teen years listening to speakers without knowing what they cost until AFTER the demo I find your channel very refreshing! This video makes a lot of honest points but this can also be reverse engineered as I did. A few years ago I picked up a pair of Klipsch RF7 ii's for under $400 locally! Having cash on hand, a large enough vehicle and knowing such large items are difficult to sell I was able to get the for an absolute steal. I've had both bookshelf and towers throughout my life and I don't think bookshelves with subs quite give the same tight sound from towers but I'm always up for a listen to anything. Another small thing I wanted to mention, I too have Amazon HD music service and as much as I love it I was finding some older recordings on there, mostly country music sounded like trash. I thought for a moment perhaps my recollection was better than actuality so I took the time to dig out a bunch of my CD's and do an a/b test with amazon's files and as I remembered the CD's were MUCH better. Apparently some more obscure stuff must have been sourced off of really poor material because it was serving me a lossless flac file at a high resolution but clearly the CD was way better. For newer/popular music the Amazon service is great, no difference and perhaps better than the CD if you have superhuman hearing. I think a lot of people especially those audiophile types want to claim they have hearing better than they actually do which is why I never want to know what I'm listening to prior to the demo. It's sad not many sound rooms exist anymore, buying any speaker without listening seems ridiculous.
@ChrisTheKid83
2 жыл бұрын
Wow that deal is amazing! I have RF-3 and love them, but have dreamed of RF-7’s for years now. I have to start looking again.
@robwasnj
2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisTheKid83 Yeah, it was a lucky find, I was watching facebook marketplace for over a year. I also managed months later to get the flagship center channel to match, another very good deal because I thought it was a used one I was bidding on (language barrier) but it turned out to be totally new in box! The speakers are natural beech or something and the center is black but can't complain. I also got my power amps (QSC SRA 3622's) from a guy down in AL that I trusted would send them, he did in an off Ebay deal. Probably not a wise thing but a very good deal for me and he was happy needing money for college and he had stopped using them to DJ. Sometimes people pass on, get divorced... many reasons that expensive gear is sold. Best piece of advice, call them on the phone don't just rely on messenger and no B.S., be ready to meet them and have the cash in hand once you know you're getting what was listed. I had one seller i bought a subwoofer from later call me and offer me his preamp very cheap because everyone else that had came to his house did thing like say "oh, I only have $$ with me" once they had already agreed on a price... not cool.
@rabarebra
2 жыл бұрын
And these ridiculous Klipsch RF7 II speakers you need an amplifier. Why don't you just buy some really good two-way active studio speakers, and a active subwoofer?
@robwasnj
2 жыл бұрын
@@rabarebra In short I like how they sound? I already had 5 large amps before I purchased the RF7's, in fact my low end isn't active, I use passive 15" cabinets for bass. Believe it or not large speakers don't always require a big amp, oftentimes as in the case of companies like Klipsch and Cerwin Vega the speakers are extremely efficient and can be driven to loud listening levels with a moderate sized amplifier. i rarely use more than a fraction of the power I have, turning the volume way up is deafening loud and I hope to still have some hearing left into my senior years. Prior to the RF7's I had two JBL studio monitors on stands, they sounded quite good but I prefer the Klipsch, to me it's a much wider soundstage and brighter sound. Some of us love that sound, others hate it and say it's grating.
@rabarebra
2 жыл бұрын
@@robwasnj 5 large amps? I have 6 amps, and they're all inside its speakers. Sounds ten times better than any non-powered speakers.
@jeffsloane8628
2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Submarine guys are so special. Thumbs up as always Randy. Excellent arguments. Can't wait for the 5 reasons towers are better than bookies. Efficiency, impact (mid range/bass slam), output, realism, frequency range, no stands/dual subs required, etc.
@philipteater3714
2 жыл бұрын
👍 someone who gets Randy’s humor
@scottspencer4018
2 жыл бұрын
You make some valid points, and there's some well explained logic in this video. There are obviously pros and cons with both floor standing and bookshelf speakers, and each room is a huge variable that should be considered. Also, the potential cost of good stands for a bookshelf speaker is not insignificant, but they aren't a requirement in every situation, and should still allow a buyer to stay within the "less expensive" goal if they shop wisely. Larger speakers with more bass output and extension tend to be more prone to exciting room resonances in some rooms, whereas a smaller speaker is less likely to do so, due to the simple aspect of having less of the frequency output that tends cause those resonance issues. As the video points out, it's a bit tougher to address bass issues with tower speakers than it is for bookshelf speakers with a sub, because there's just more flexibility for addressing the room needs for bass with the sub and smaller speakers via placement, more specific volume control, crossover frequency selection, phase, etc. In your example of the Klipsch towers and Klipsch bookshelf speakers, the two speakers share several intentional design concepts (family traits) like similar cabinet construction/treatment, same/similar drivers, and likely some similarities in crossover parts and configuration, wiring, etc, which should mean there a lot of similarities in sound quality, clarity, and sonic signature, with the exception that the smaller speakers will likely have less bass output and extension (which is where the subwoofer comes into play). So given that there's essentially no "next level" upgrade benefits from spending more on the bigger speakers (in this example), there's an opportunity to spend some of the money saved on improvements to the rest of the system, and end up with some upgrade benefits after all. You could also look to an upgrade in overall speaker quality by going with a higher quality bookshelf speaker and sub over a lesser tower system. It all boils down to what you like the sound of, but I think this video suggests some great ways to help our audio budget go farther.
@scottroberts4551
Жыл бұрын
Great point about the room factor.
@OdinHardware
7 ай бұрын
learned something from your comment . thanks
@ganck1147
2 жыл бұрын
Agree wholeheartedly with Randy here. I run bookshelves with subs & couldn’t agree more on the flexibility of fine tuning the bass to match programme material or room acoustics. Get a good sub to complement the main spks & dialing in the subs will be alot easier. I feel that a pair of bookshelves with sub or subs can rival floorstanders in terms of scale & bass. The bookshelves nowadays sound very large & enveloping & adding a sub or subs makes for almost full range sound.
@pauldias234
2 жыл бұрын
For my listening preferences, I prefer towers. I spent much of 2021 experimenting with bookshelves plus sub. This included the Elac UB5, and Ascend Acoustics Sierra 2EX. Those bookshelf speakers on stands look so cool. I want to like them! However, I listen to a lot of large scale orchestral recordings. Even with a sub, the bookshelves leave a lot to be desired in bringing out the presence and depth of a full orchestra, especially in upper bass and lower mids. I have settled on some vintage Kef 104/2's for my orchestral stuff. They have 2- 8" woofers, 2- 4" midrange drivers, soft dome tweeter, plus my Rel sub. They are glorious. For all other genres I have really enjoyed the bookshelf plus sub combo. Randy, you make some good points as to why bookshelves would be preferable for a lot of folks.
@darkpatches
2 жыл бұрын
That's what I noticed recently, too, after digging out my old speakers from the early 90's and placing them in the basement. Each has a 12" woofer. The sound just feels bigger with orchestral music. Though they go deep (32 Hz), they lack some punch, which explains why I got a sub a few years later, but they completely enjoyable with orchestral recordings. I love my bookshelfs plus sub, but there's something special about the big speakers.
@haansolo7834
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, larger speakers certainly have more impact. They make you feel sound more even in the mid area. And they can sound more full even if you are listening in low volume
@rabarebra
2 жыл бұрын
@@darkpatches 12" woofers won't sound any good. It sounds more like you have a PA-system.
@darkpatches
2 жыл бұрын
@@rabarebra Huh, I guess that explains why they don't.
@rabarebra
2 жыл бұрын
@@darkpatches Or you just don't know better.
@Mrch33ky
2 жыл бұрын
Over 21 years I've moved backwards; from floor standers to bookshelfs(?) to full range drivers. Full range is a TRUE point source and you can add a sub or two if you're that gangsta-rap-boom-chick-a-wow-wow guy. Couldn't be happier with my setup that plays all music exceedingly well and best of all it was very affordable. Cheers.
@mndlessdrwer
2 жыл бұрын
If Fostex ever bothered to make a tower like Definity Audio has with subs in the bottom but using some of their more exotic full-range driver, I would have to put a lock on my wallet. They make some fantastic full-range speakers. The only problem you encounter with single-driver full-range solutions is beaming. This is why KEF and ELAC and a handful of raw driver manufacturers have taken the coincidental coaxial approach to reduce this. You still get your point-source with significantly less beaming, but at the cost of coherency, since you've decoupled the tweeter from the woofer and you'll inevitably have differences in attack speed, decay, dispersion, etc. It also depends a lot on the listening volume and the size of your speakers. if you're running 8" or larger full-range speakers from, like, 4' or less away, then you may not experience enough beaming to warrant consideration of a separate tweeter if your full-range driver is competent enough in those frequencies.
@brianw3822
2 жыл бұрын
They both have their place. I do agree that you can dial in things easier with a sub and bookcases. The older I have gotten the more I realize you are looking for the punch more than the pound of the bass. The difference is hearing the drum or hearing them hit the drum and hearing it move.
@mikecampbell5856
2 жыл бұрын
I like both. I have 5 systems with bookshelf speakers and one with large Klipsch towers with a large sub. Sometimes you feel like listening to different speakers. That's why I own 27 speakers.
@Cyba_IT
2 жыл бұрын
Damn, and I thought 3 full systems with quadrophonic bookshelves and one tower system with 3 pairs of KEF's and 2 subs was rather extravagant. Nice work Mike :)
@mikecampbell5856
2 жыл бұрын
@@Cyba_IT I would love your KEFs. Thanks! I do have a Marantz 2020b in my garage. Overkill.
@Cyba_IT
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikecampbell5856 Haha, you can never have too much audio gear my friend, no matter what the mrs says :p
@cjaygreene1126
2 жыл бұрын
lol
@stevesmith3033
2 жыл бұрын
How many guitars and amps do you have Mike Campbell?? Hahahahaha
@Audiomainia2310
2 жыл бұрын
If you have the space, towers make absolute sense. Why would I put bookshelf speakers in a 25 x 50' room? And there are plenty of great tower speakers that hit to 25hz. Cheap isn't always better. Its all about your wallet, room size, equipment, etc.
@stopthefomo
2 жыл бұрын
For the same price, bookshelf version plus subwoofer fills your room as well but with deeper and more even bass at your listening position.
@Audiomainia2310
2 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake Randy wanted to make a point where none was needed. Anyone can toss an inexpensive sub into their systems if the dimensions of the room warrant it. And quality bookshelf speakers like the KEF LS50 Metas start at $1500.00. Or DyneAudio has a set that start at $6000.00. Some cheap speakers are impressive - nut many. You always get in quality and performance what you're wallet ( or wife ) allows.
@Audiomainia2310
2 жыл бұрын
@@stopthefomo That again is dependent on your room dimensions. Its very simple. Would I placed tower speakers in a 10 x 10' room? Of course not. But my listening area is 25 x 25' - very few bookshelf speakers could handle the acoustics efficiently and I would need an 9.2 configuration at minimum to make up the difference that a bi-polar tower with a built in 12" 200 watt woofer can do ( DT B2002 ) .
@kyron42
2 жыл бұрын
What about value? What are the best $3000 Tower speakers. For $3,000 what's the best bookshelf speakers + stands + subwoofer + subwoofer cable if you think cable makes a difference.
@Audiomainia2310
2 жыл бұрын
@@kyron42 Value in my opinion is completely subjective. What can your wallet afford? Have less expansive speakers impressed you with their sound quality and appearance more than an expensive set you were considering? Its all on you sir.
@10Filip
2 жыл бұрын
You need to buy stands for bookshelfs, and most likely they wont be as stable as floorstanding. Also, the efficiemcy is better with bigger one, as well as frequemcy range.
@richardhollingsworth8342
2 жыл бұрын
Having bookshelf speakers makes you a better speller.
@mr.hansen5195
2 жыл бұрын
@@richardhollingsworth8342 And more arrogant. At least in some cases, apparently.
@timthefosterdad
2 жыл бұрын
Mine are mounted to wall mounts and screwed to the mount. Not going anywhere.
@10Filip
2 жыл бұрын
@@timthefosterdad Which isnt usually the best place from acoustic point of view.
@carlhayes-ze5nd
9 ай бұрын
I have been running M&K satellites and dual subs for a few years now. Oh also using a crossover to cut the bass out of the satellites at 80-100hz. You can setup the stand mounts in just the right place then do the subs so they all work together. Lovely! This idea was popularized in the 70s by M&K. It works extremely well.
@Tony-pk6ql
2 жыл бұрын
With the wife and daughter both working from home these days, I have to watch the noise levels during work hours. But my Edifier 1280DB's are just perfect, great sound, no sub needed and fit on my desk- no need for anything bigger.
@realworldaudio
2 жыл бұрын
Great points, and they attest to the versatility of bookshelves. I think all of these advantages stand, as long as we are talking about a smallish / medium size room, and we are comparing to towers also in the 80s dB/Wm efficiency. However, when the the room allows, large size speakers have advantages that bookshelves cannot provide: efficiency, dynamic range, and scale. These all require "lungs" (large free air volume), and adding subs does not help (compact sub adds dynamically compressed bass...) You mentioned one point towards the end that resonates most with me: upgrading the system the small bookshelf speakers can step up big time, so there's no reason to be sad in case you have a small room and no space for large speakers. I might be the minority in my view that I prefer bookshelves unaccompanied (no subs), as adding a sub so far has soured the taste for me, and destroyed the beauty of precision and focus that the bookshelves can achieve unhindered by subs in a very high level system. Although I would add that bookshelves + a pair of subs takes up more floorspace than a pair of floorstanders when set up optimally... Cheers, Janos
@peterbaugh51
2 жыл бұрын
Finally a vote for no sub. I tried subs with bookies on tube and solid state amps. Could not get a realistic music sound with subs. Gave them away. Now run Elac dbr62's with rockville tube amp. Can hear down to 35 htz. Lower than cheap subs. After break in for one year, the elacs sound even better. Stands- $45 wood plant stands with foam pad cut to fit under speakers. Awesome sound. Must hear to believe. Great for movies. The amp makes a big difference to my ear.
@yourchildrensghost9736
2 жыл бұрын
What I Love about bookshelf speakers, is that I can move them anywhere. If I want to show some family members some speakers they might like, I can just grab the Loxjie A30 and the speakers. Three easy things to move around anywhere I please.
@kencooper2059
2 жыл бұрын
Well, most of the time I use bookshelf speakers because I ALWAYS use a sub. But in an application where you want to really crank it, floorstanders will typically play louder and still stay clear. And I do like 3-way designs for pure music.
@rodionpavlenko4680
2 жыл бұрын
Elac Uni-Fi 2.0 is a 3-way bookshelf speaker ;-)
@bottomendbliss
7 ай бұрын
@@rodionpavlenko4680 Yeah but it still sounds like a bookshelf.
@eightrodway
2 жыл бұрын
Haven't seen too many CAM vids, but this is the best. Full of useful, factual info. Well done.
@testtester3363
2 жыл бұрын
With AVR receivers you can set the crossover not only in the preout going to the sub, but they have a crossover for each speaker as well. So you can adjust your tower speakers to not even get a signal starting at any frequency you want.
@inglouriousmofo
Жыл бұрын
Not my Yammy, it's all or none, only sub crossover lol
@don8evolutiontheory
2 жыл бұрын
Good video. Especially when you are beginning out you always wonder what’s the point of towers. The synergy you get with a tower is hard to beat is my humble opinion. And they make a better show when put in a bigger room. And yeah I have a $$$ sub to go with it but I barely use it. I don’t like the sub bass when I just want to chill on a fine morning or after work. I use the sub only when I have people over. And trust me getting your sub and speakers to gel takes much much more effort than the cheapaudioman is making it sound like.
@AllboroLCD
2 жыл бұрын
Bookies are a good way of sampling a brands flavor of sound without dropping major loot down.
@Csnumber1
2 жыл бұрын
“Cheaper” and “Better” are two different categories. What makes a speaker “Better” is the way it’s sounds.....period. If they are cheaper, well, then they’re cheaper...that’s it. The KLH Kendall’s which I dare you to review, will make this video pretty “moot”. Rated at 96db, with proprietary crossovers, Kevlar Drivers all in a Real Wood Cabinet...these reach down to 25hz needing no subwoofer. And for 1299, no Bookie Sub Combo for the same price can compare. And of yeah make sure to add in the extra price for some decent stands for those Bookies!! Now if you titled this video “Why Bookshelf Speakers may make more sense to buy?!” Then you’d have no argument from me.
@johnr6168
2 жыл бұрын
You make a very very good point.
@sunspot42
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t even know if you went over the biggest issues with tower speakers. 1) Imaging. They tend to have more drivers, spread over more space. This means they’re less inclined to function as more compact point source radiators, a theoretically ideal speaker. Bookshelf speakers get much closer to this ideal. Having separate midrange and treble drivers further complicates imaging. The larger fronts of the floor standers also create issues with reflection. 2) Crossover. Floor standers tend to be 3-way designs. Many are even 4-way if you count the ports or passive radiator. Designing and building effective crossovers is an expensive art and can dramatically increase the price of the speaker, as can the design of the ports, radiators and whatnot. You can buy your way around these issues, but it won’t come cheap. 3) Cone breakup. The larger woofers typically found in floor standers are hugely vulnerable to cone breakup, where the driver doesn’t behave in a linear fashion. You also have issues where the midrange shifts around physically in space due to the large driver’s excursion. It’s less expensive to avoid these issues with the smaller bass/midrange drivers typically found in bookshelf speakers. 4) Cabinet resonances. In my book this is the worst issue with floor standing speakers. Their large sides - or even fronts and backs, as with old school traditional floor standers like the ones from 80s with their broad faces and shallow sides - are terribly susceptible to resonances. You can pay your way around it, but it’ll cost you a pretty penny for a tower with the engineering to avoid cabinet resonances, something even cheap bookshelf do just by their nature. Honestly, I can hear resonances from virtually all floor standers, even ones that cost a thousand more than their closet bookshelf relative. And they drive me NUTS. Once you hear cabinet resonances you can never un-hear them.
@rbrtck
2 жыл бұрын
I used to get people into home theater and help them choose and install their systems a lot (but kind of ran out of people after a while), and I virtually always recommended bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer (or two). Budgets were usually tight, and even when they weren't so tight, I'd always try to get people to step up to a better speaker if their budget allowed, so tower speakers rarely ever entered the equation, as they cost a lot more money for little if any gain. The process of integrating the subwoofer always made me grateful that I could move it independently of the directional speakers, and I always ended up with better results than relying on tower speakers for bass. Based on experience, I was preaching the message "Use subs and crossovers, even if you already had tower speakers as a starting point" online for many years before it became standard practice, and believe me, there was some major resistance early on, when most people still greatly preferring tower speakers and wanted to run them full range, even for home theater. With a properly integrated sub taking over most bass duties, it soon became obvious to me that bookshelf speakers were the way to go, especially for home theater, but also for two-channel music because of superior bass extension (with the right sub!) and integration (if set up properly). I had always wanted towers myself, many years ago, but no longer saw the point of them for the vast majority of installations once I really got into setting up home theater and music playback systems for others with a variety of equipment. There are exceptions, but those are generally for people who aren't real constrained by budget. If you have a huge budget and want 3-way towers with RAAL ribbon tweeters and purpose-designed, ultra-low-mass mid-range drivers for exquisite detail because there are separate woofers for the mid-bass and bass, and you'll also have a subwoofer or two, then go for the towers. Others who can't or simply aren't willing to afford anywhere near that level of expenditure are generally better off with bookshelf speakers and a sub. That's based on experience, not just theory, although the two sure aren't far off in this case.
@B08AH
Жыл бұрын
You can't go for higher tier shelf speakers. Since you need at least 4 higher tier speakers to replace 2 towers and 2 shelves. And you will need higher tier amplifier(s), to drive their potential. This is going to be far more expensive than just getting towers, and people who ask for acoustics advice will most likely not even hear the difference. Home theater is where floorstanders shine. Unlike some people's reasoning.
@mrboat580
Жыл бұрын
I have towers with subs. Nothing excites the air in a room like 15" paper woofers. Even on low, their presence is still apparent. I have multiple pairs of both. Displacement/headroom rules. Can filter the sub bass from the towers to the subs, without sacrificing that chest punching mid bass. Go big, or go home.
@Audfile
2 жыл бұрын
They aren't really cheaper though, only if you are going for cheaper. I mean towers go just as cheap. There are bookshelves that are out of a lot of people's price range. Also figure stands.
@donalddeorio2237
2 жыл бұрын
I have towers that I bought from Harmon audio Ebay site for $468. They had an MSRP of $1700, they have a 250 watt 10" sub in each cabinet. Just saying, ive had them for 20years.
@labrat9831
2 жыл бұрын
Great set of arguments for bookshelves. Agree with all of them and yet still found myself buying a pair of stage a170s over their bookshelf a130s. This was an odd case of a sale making the bookshelf plus stands costing the same as towers and my room is large enough that I will appreciate the larger speakers.
@cheapaudioman
2 жыл бұрын
yeah. the JBL stage series is such a crazy value that my "cheaper" argument doesn't really apply with those. I want to hear the towers in the stage series.
@labrat9831
2 жыл бұрын
@@cheapaudioman the stage a170 are $360 a pair with free shipping right now on crutchfield. While the reviews on the towers are minimal stereophile did a nice one on the stage a170. No good vid review though…..nudge nudge.
@dbdigital57
2 жыл бұрын
Bookshelves are certainly cheaper so they make sense for your channel to praise them. The physical aspect of flexibility with a smaller speaker is obvious! However the Sonics of a good floor standing speaker and ability of it to reach much lower in frequency is an advantage which all but eliminates the need for a sub. Subs really compensate for speakers with a poor bottom end say reaching below 60hz. You don’t have to worry about placement of floor standing speakers as that always are placed … on the floor. Bookshelves have advantages given room constraints and when that’s the case, adding a sub is often not an option.
@CeeStyleDj
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. More is well, more.
@frankierodriguez8661
Жыл бұрын
got my pair of MIssion, small room on home made shelfs with my 40 watt integrated JVC, they sound fantastic not sub needed even, I put them exactly the height I wanted and I even can tilt them to change the intensity of the mid range. definitely win win. I'm going to set a bigger system in a bigger room IN the house and I'll go the same waY, may be different placement or more power, the current ones are about 170w and the amp will be more powerful, but bookshelf for sure.
@AbsoluteFidelity
2 жыл бұрын
Towers for me anytime anyday. Give me a KEF Blade or Dynaudio Confidence 60 over any bookshelves. LMFAO!
@mydogskips2
2 жыл бұрын
That's not a fair comparison, nor cheap audio either.
@rabarebra
2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to buy yourself those ridiculous priced gold-cables as well then. LOL
@AbsoluteFidelity
2 жыл бұрын
@@rabarebra that has to be the dumbest statement Ive heard all month and most probably all year after the 31st of december. You must be a flat earther or everything is snake oil kind of guy. I get it, its hard to sound intelligent without parroting random folks on the internet.
@rabarebra
2 жыл бұрын
@@AbsoluteFidelity Sorry that you do not understand audio setup, done properly.
@AbsoluteFidelity
2 жыл бұрын
@@rabarebra yet another dumb remark. You are just full of it.
@michaelkistner6286
2 жыл бұрын
Depends on what you want. I've not heard a bookshelf setup that can generate the immersive soundstage a big ole pair of floor standers does. If you have room, go cheaper by buying used.
@H2OFSU
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Randy, I know you’ve reviewed the SVS Prime and Ultra bookshelves. Do you plan on reviewing their Ultra Towers at some point, or does their price point exclude them from your reviews?
@T100ley
2 жыл бұрын
Recently got a pair of Atlantic Technology AT-1 towers used for $350. I’m loving them and also just upgraded from a Sony AVR STR-DN1020 to a Rotel rsp1068 and Rotel 1075 and I got both for a total of $240. Also picked up a Amazon link $80, Cambridge 551p-s phono preamp $75, and Pro-Ject 1xpression $500, Polk psw650 for $150. And I haven’t even got to listen to all of it hooked up yet, but I’m excited!
@musicman8270
2 жыл бұрын
Towers have more gravitas, although being easy to move becomes more important as you age. Also a lot of newbies have trouble adjusting the xovers for a bookshelf_sub combo. Space is no consideration as both take up the same space. NEVER put a bookshelf on a shelf. That notion has passed, only the name still exists
@xephael3485
2 жыл бұрын
It depends on the shelf... bookshelf speakers/monitors sit on shelves all the time in sound studios next to workstations.
@MatSmithLondon
Жыл бұрын
@@xephael3485 What is the metric "gravitas" when assessing how good a speaker is? I'm not familiar with it.
@xephael3485
Жыл бұрын
@@MatSmithLondon me either 🤣
@ENGLISHISBEST
Жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed it but speaker wall brackets can be adjustable to angle that tweeter to your seating position. My brackets adjust left/right up/down & you know it when you get it spot on, the difference is amazing with slight tweaks.
@carlsitler9071
2 жыл бұрын
They are better in every way except sound.
@tgs1766
2 жыл бұрын
How’s your kool-aid? Was it yummy? Sounds like you drank it all.
@UP_URANUS
2 жыл бұрын
The placement and position for best image and soundstage in your room may not always be the same for optimum bass performance. Unless it is, with typical floorstanders you will have to make a compromise, unless you're willing to spend IRS V type money
@rharcha8878
2 жыл бұрын
Wife-acceptance factor is better for bookshelf speakers ;-)
@thorenshammer
5 ай бұрын
If your amp supports 4 speakers, adding a second pair of bookshelf speakers is also an option. My father had a four-bookshelf speaker setup that sounded sweet.
@martinfox2244
2 жыл бұрын
I came in ready to do battle but this makes total sense although...I believe the worst location for a bookshelf speaker is a bookshelf.
@welderfixer
2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing! The sound from a speaker in a bookshelf is most often hollow. Might as well put a speaker in an 55 gallon oil drum.
@retepmo6534
2 жыл бұрын
It was a big selling point back in the KLH, Advent, EPI etc. days. Remember some of the catalogs showing the speakers tucked neatly out of the way in a bookshelf. The sound from there... well, like you said.
@DougMen1
2 жыл бұрын
We need to call them what the audio press calls them- stand mount speakers
@13bcoffee
8 ай бұрын
I noticed something else while visiting friends with systems. Several of my friends live in apartments or condos where you have to be careful with the sound volume. The real culprit is often the deep bass which can rattle walls or travel thru walls. Subwoofers then become a no-go for apartment dwellars. So most of my audio friends living in apartments go with tower speakers and no sub. If they leave the bass boost off they are ok. Listening to their setups they can have decent bass from the towers without getting too many complaints. Generally they are ok with watching home theater. However music at party levels will still be a problem but that would also be the case with bookshelf speakers.
@pdcragin33
2 жыл бұрын
I’m going to say this, but please understand that I’m NOT trying to make y’all unhappy with your sense of decor. I’ve just always felt that a fairly large box (the monitor) sitting atop a spindly structure (the stand) visually communicates unsteadiness - and so, potentially, toppling disaster. Then one learns the “matching stands” are a third of the price of the monitor itself, bringing a complete system cost with comparably priced subwoofer quite close to a tower pair. Then one realizes the floor space footprint of a tower isn’t much different than a stand mount system, and certainly less than stand mounts plus sub. So visually, financially and operationally the stand mount system is not clearly superior - (ahem) to me. So IF you can live with bass that rolls off at about 37 Hz, a pair of towers allows one to live without a sub. But, this tower preference doesn’t hold up in a room where you have to lug the speakers into “listening positions “ and then back into “decor positions “ after a listening session. I’ve tried it with towers - ugh! Whereas the Emotiva towers in my home theater (set it and forget it positions) are a joy, no sub needed for me. The moral to this story: you and your room and your life partner are in a negotiation about living and listening space, and happiness is choosing a system that reflects the realities of that negotiation.
@Canadian_Eh_I
2 жыл бұрын
There's other reasons why Bookshelves can be great that he doesnt know about. It has to do with vibration. Something that tall towers suffer from and is harder to fix. With bookshelves you can put isolators underneath the stands and then ANOTHER set right underneath the speaker. They work together with the seismic mass of the stand (if its heavy enough) to greatly reduce vibrations they obscure sound quality, regards,
@Pepe-dq2ib
2 жыл бұрын
@@Canadian_Eh_I never had or heard of vibration problems with quality towers. Are they buying Chinese stuff?
@Canadian_Eh_I
2 жыл бұрын
@@Pepe-dq2ib Lol EVERY speaker has vibration 'problems'. Or at least as much as you consider vibration a problem, in a less resolving system not so much.
@Pepe-dq2ib
2 жыл бұрын
@@Canadian_Eh_I speakers make sound by vibration, so everything is a problem then. Only solution is turning it off. The build quality is off and I don't believe the problem is inherently due to it being a tower. Send it back and have them fix it or buy something else, no point in bandaging.
@Canadian_Eh_I
2 жыл бұрын
@@Pepe-dq2ib Haha!
@brendanhoffmann8402
7 ай бұрын
My old Sony bookshelf speakers saved my setup last week. I got some tower speakers and I was completely underwhelmed by them. (Yamaha NS-777). But I wired in my old bookshelf speakers which are the same ohms and it sounds great now! I must say my bookshelf speakers weren't that special (Sony ss-dx50) but they put out a lot of rich sound. The tower speakers make it sound way more detailed now because of those huge mid/tweeters. I'm pretty happy with it now, running on an Aiyima A07 with the Sparkos opamp mod and a Matrix mini i pro DAC. Using a cheap 100w active subwoofer too.
@jupitermoongauge4055
11 ай бұрын
Bought some old Mission 753 floor standing speakers a few months ago for £100. The clarity, realism, full frequency spectrum blew my mind. I've never heard anything as good from any bookshelf speakers.
@timo23
2 жыл бұрын
I watched this with great interest as I have tried this very same idea of using bookshelf speakers with a sub so the exact reason given here. Proac response bookshelfs were hard to marry to a sub (and B&W) - I tried lots of settings and combinations and found that the speakers were amazing, though lacked the depth I desire with a always flat eq (I know tone control are OK to use, but I don't wish to sacrifice detail / colour the sound at certain frequencies so I'm flat all the way and direct). The bass unit did what it does and was fine for movies, but it wasn't tight or coherent enough for music I found (it was rubbish in fact). I moved to huge pricey piega classic speakers which I unfortunately found fatiguing which took some of the pleasure away from them (beautiful looking things though and very balanced sound, I wanted to love them but... ). I then went back to ProaAc recalling the notable quality of the sound and wanted towers to lose the bass box that didn't do what I had hoped. Response DT8's purchased and I won't look back. These towers aren't huge or dominating (in fact the design is quite boring and unassuming), but the sound is nothing short of jaw dropping. The detail, speed, spaciousness and depth is all there and there is no fatigue at all - I can't stress enough I want for nothing more with what these speakers can do - if you can audition some I really recommend it. I enjoy trying different audio equipment, but I would not swap out these speakers now, there is no way of improving the sound vs space etc that I can fathom, I shall upgrade my amp to Roksan from Marantz, which I found enhances ProAc enough to justify the cost and make my system complete. I know this isn't very 'cheap', but it is nowhere near the crazy money end of audio either by a long stretch. I think I have found the sweet spot of cost vs quality here. The bass bin has been banished to the garage.. I should probably sell it because I shall never need it again 🙂 Thanks for the vids, the extra income plugs are a little tiresome, but I appreciate some people seem to like what you offer with it and it's just what happens on KZitem channels now I guess 👍🏻
@HomeTheatre101
2 жыл бұрын
I personally love Bookshelf Speakers! Why get towers when they are normally twice the money but imo not double the performance.
@V1ralB1ack
2 жыл бұрын
More range, better dynamics, more efficiency so they play louder with half the power. No need for stands. A 2 way speaker probably will have more clarity and resolution because the crossover is simple but a 3 way tower or a 4 way will play better overall if done right but will cost much more.
@josephyu6718
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your advice. Just bought a pair used Sony SS-CCP11 speakers for $10 on top my floor stand rear speakers. It does a better job in surround mode. I'm happy with the soound. It's loud and clear imaging 3ft away from my ears,lol.😅
@victormuriel7266
2 жыл бұрын
When this pandemic thing started, I build a home theater with used gear (except the TV and my source, an xbox one) so I decided to use bookshelves because of budget and also because I have a lot of nephews and one little daughter so, I just mounted them on the wall for those safety issues, i feel it's more safe for the kids and for the speakers too. Aaaaand, that left me more budget to add a sub, and other things in the room 👍🏼
@WheresYourToque
11 ай бұрын
I have a pair of Paradigm SE bookshelf speakers. Now I'm going to get some Paradigm Monitor SE 6000F floorstanders and put the Atoms on top of them, to use as Dolby Atmos height speakers. Floorstanders are better at being stands for other speakers than bookshelf speakers are.
@ChicagoRob2
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been rocking B&W Matrix 805s for 27 years(+/- 1.75 Db 55Hz - 20,000Hz!). I run them with a big M&K sub. No need for floorstanders, here!
@anti-warhol6653
2 жыл бұрын
That surround sound suggestion was a good point if you're on a budget , thanks .
@geertvanbergen3905
2 жыл бұрын
With decent towers you don’t need the extra hassle of a separate subwoofer
@dervel123
2 жыл бұрын
With a seperate subwoofer you don't need the extra hassle of tower speakers ;)
@ec6843
2 жыл бұрын
@@dervel123 But the footprint with bookshelf speakers and subwoofer is 50% more :(
@jimsimmons2674
2 жыл бұрын
Here is the problem with a separate subwoofer most non audiophiles set the sub level too high and do not have or know how to use a SPL meter to adjust the sub to a proper matched level to there other speakers so the low end thay get is way too strong and is off the mark!
@mrebear9758
2 жыл бұрын
Most floorstanders still benefit from a sub
@jimsimmons2674
2 жыл бұрын
That depends on the type of tower floorstanding speaker,if a tower speaker has two 5.4" drivers in a non ported cabinet a sub most likely would help but i built my own tower speakers with two 8"woofers in a ported cabinet along with 6.5" mid-bass and 4.5" midrange plus 3/4" tweeter and a sub does not make these speakers sound better most of the time,you would get a build up in the low end that is overpowering!
@frankmartines3595
Жыл бұрын
I'm a cerwin vega collector. So big huge speakers. I found some bookshelf speakers being thrown away on the side of the road, free speakers! 2 prs of klipsch kg 1.2 I paired them with my subs... WOW what beautiful sounding speakers
@Novilicious
2 жыл бұрын
Bookshelf’s just don’t satisfy me; floor standing ones have scale. But that being said, they are smaller and easier to integrate in decor
@cjaygreene1126
2 жыл бұрын
everyones ears are different freind
@CeeStyleDj
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Apparently some people prefer less sound.
@jamiegolden7093
2 жыл бұрын
I have a pair of Dynaudio Evoke 20 bookshelf speakers in my home office, and I love them. I tried them in my downstairs listening room and they just didn't work there. I found a pair of Dynaudio Excite 38s on closeout that do a much better job there. This is a well considered video, though - thanks!
@Shadow3ffect
Жыл бұрын
Just updated my set up. Tell me what you think Center: Moukey FRONT L&R polk Audio XT60 Surrounds: Fluance A5s SUBS yamaha PW50 (2) Also thinking about changing out Fluance Books with either polk t15 or Starfavor P5
@avsystem3142
2 жыл бұрын
You arguments about bookshelf vs towers is well reasoned and makes sense to me. Nonetheless, when I upgraded the speakers in my den AV system I opted for a pair of Polk TSi300 towers, which are not really "full range", particularly for an AV system, paired with a Polk Signature Series S35 center channel speaker. I kept a Yamaha 8" powered sub that I already had in the system. The tower speakers place the tweeters almost exactly on the same level as my head when seated. I replaced the (cheap) Cerwin Vega center speaker but kept the original high wall mounted Cerwin Vega L&R speakers to switch from a 5.1 surround setup to a 7.1 setup with the CV's becoming front L&R "height" speakers. I've had height speakers in my home theater since constructed and I really like the effect. The surround speakers also remained from the original CV speaker bundle. I've never used bookshelves on a stand. What keeps the speakers from getting knocked off the stands? I don't have kids or pets but it seems to me that stability could be a problem.
@jacklittle7838
Жыл бұрын
If you consider my Boston Acoustics T1030 speakers bookshelf speakers, then I totally agree! 😀
@kennethober6626
4 ай бұрын
A good amp allows you to adjust the frequencies so that’s a moot point. I have a VERY large 8 inch woofer, 4 inch mid and 3 inch tweeter shelf speakers with a subwoofer that picks up any slack. The speaker themselves produce incredible bass for their size. It’s a pair Yamaha NS-A636 speakers I picked up for $5 at a yard sale. They’re now ported with 1.5 PVC pipes and have a true 3 way crossovers instead of the crappy capacitor only to tweeter setup they originally had. The drivers are getting replaced with GRS speaker cause I’m broke but whatever. But in my opinion, DIY floor standing speakers are supreme if you have a strong enough amp to drive them but $$$
@tonezou3918
2 жыл бұрын
Is it true that usually tower speakers have cleaner and tighter bass when they are designed to go pretty low? So clean and fast that the equivalent subwoofer would be much more expensive than that SVS you mentioned. Also, which low frequencies exactly can cause the issues you mentioned that subwoofers fix with moving them around? Everything below 200 Hz or something?
@cheapaudioman
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't exactly call the bass on most of the towers I've reviewed as "tight" and fast.
@denfinch5694
2 жыл бұрын
I had a pair of Tannoy J95 towers but have now got a pair of Bowers & Wilkins 606s on their proprietory stands filled with zinc granules as well as running a REL T-5 sub. The complete price of all that was £1300 GBP, around $1500 plus USD. The sound is astounding and competes with so many other speaker setups!.....
@8080pc
2 жыл бұрын
My laptop is my HiFi in a very small rented room. Not all that HiFi but works for me in my space. Play lots of old big band and jazz and a little rock. I'm sure you have upgrade ideas that are awesome.
@classicjetsims
2 жыл бұрын
Great ideas for my computer sound system for listening to music while I work or play games, but for my sound room, I wouldn't give up my tower speakers. Maybe they're harder to setup but it should only be a matter of taking the time to set things up well and get far better sound.
@jimsimmons2674
2 жыл бұрын
I agree,i built speakers as a hobby for 30 years and it really depends on your audio setup,if you listen to 2 channel audio for mostly music then i would say tower speakers are better because if designed right the low end can sound more natural then using a sub,you do not need to go down to 20hz with a sub for most music listening,it can sound too muddy with the sub's low end.For 5.1 surround and higher yes i would agree bookshelf speakers are better because it is easier to match and position 5 or more speakers for that movie experience also the cost of all the speakers would be much less then towers.The sub is also a plus in a surround system because most movie sound effects go down to the lower frequencies and a subwoofer can really add to that experience. Tower speakers do not need a sub or stands,the low end should go down to around 35hz or lower for decent bass on a tower speaker and also if you position your speakers a few feet from the walls you should get a decent low end response but that depends on your room size,what kind of floor the speakers are on,wood or on concrete in the basement,on a wooden floor you will get more low end so maybe you have to position your speakers more then two feet from the walls,on concrete floor maybe closer to walls for proper low end,i think you get the idea.
@Fazmag
2 жыл бұрын
Everything he says is true! Except when it comes to Magnepan...
@stephenstevens6573
2 жыл бұрын
Yes sir!! Love my Maggie's! No bookshelf can compare!
@damiankirkwood7924
2 жыл бұрын
Do you run a sub with your Maggies?
@stephenstevens6573
2 жыл бұрын
@@damiankirkwood7924 yes sir. An Infinity RS-12...not very high end, I know....but it does the job, and its what I could afford.
@carlitomelon4610
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! And you can add your stand budget into the amp you'll need to drive them. I use my LRS in a 2.2 setup. Kef LS50s also 2.2 Rega Naos* also 2.2 Conclusion? All speakers need REL subs, sorry. 🎶🤫🎶 PS . The Naos are a floostanding transmission line with extension to 27hz. Unfortunately they do not give you the power at low frequencies. It's there but not with the visceral energy, hence the subs.
@stephenstevens6573
2 жыл бұрын
@@carlitomelon4610 nice! Im kinda poor, so most of my stuff is vintage...I have an immaculate set of MGlls that I power with a crown drivecore...a rel is on my wishlist!
@careylymanjones
2 жыл бұрын
I'm running a pair of Klipsch RB 61 II speakers ($300 on Ebay) and an Emotiva SE8 sub ($299) both included shipping. Add a pair of stands for $100, and you're looking at about $700 total. Good luck finding towers that will match them at anywhere near the price. And the Klipsch speakers are efficient enough (95 db) to pair will with a low-power tube amp. And 33 hz is low enough for music. Even the mighty Cornwall IV ($6,600) only goes down to 34 hz. Dialing a sub in can be a pain in the rear, but a 2.1 system is a lot more flexible and cheaper than any tower that can match them.
@MatSmithLondon
Жыл бұрын
Too many audiophiles on youtube take themselves WAAY too seriously. This is a great antidote. You are funny and very watchable.
@Nordraw
2 жыл бұрын
All true dude. Bookshelfs are a better option 80% of the time
@robertm8518
2 жыл бұрын
I think you should do stand up comedy…. I prefer bookshelf / monitor speakers too and I agree with all the benefits that you mentioned.
@cheapaudioman
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Robert! That would be interesting. I’d have to write a whole bunch of jokes though and that maybe difficult.
@PhilipBallGarry
10 ай бұрын
😂🤣 made my day here in the UK where it's currently expected to rain for the next 15 months. Firstly, the intro and a little confusion over which type of speakers we're comparing here 🤭 - then your hilarious buffalow bill cameo 😂. You must do more of these Randy 👍😁. Right then. Got my coffee. On with the video.
@TheEthNick
4 ай бұрын
Ok, i'm thinking of swapping out my Towers for Bookshelves in an apartment i'm about to move into. Reason being the floorspace I can save as the Bookshelves can be placed on the entertainment unit & they should be less annoying to the neighbours...
@janosolorio
2 жыл бұрын
All valid points, I just don't think any of those trumps finding the best sounding speaker you can buy (regardless of if it is a floor standing or bookshelf) speaker.
@jim010109
2 жыл бұрын
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@jewelbell5
2 жыл бұрын
That buffalo bill intro was hilarious!
@RP-ms7lu
Жыл бұрын
I think for listening music bookshelf speakers are better but for home theatre towers have big, bold broad wide room filling sound from many drivers speakers.
@thefunkycrummer1648
Жыл бұрын
When calculating cost for bookshelf speakers, probably should factor in the cost of speaker stands. Love your videos man!
@bertjedekat
2 жыл бұрын
So with my towers i can just cross them over to my sub at 60hz or 80 hz i dont get that point
@Audiodreamer192-24
2 жыл бұрын
Ya I don’t get that either…. Also saying bookshelves are easier to place isn’t really true either because when you put them on a stand they end up occupying the same foot print as a tower anyways. I have many speakers and a lot with both the tower version and bookies and too me the towers sound more dynamic especially when the tower is a 3 way and the bookie is a 2 way. I usually use my bookies as surrounds or mains for a small room. They are cheaper and that’s all they have over towers in my opinion. The only tower I heard that was worse sounding the the bookshelf was the Sony core sscs3 and that’s a crossover issue.
@khoi83
2 жыл бұрын
@@Audiodreamer192-24 exactly! And heavy floorstanders are much safer with active kids around than flimsy bookshelfs on stands.
@khoi83
2 жыл бұрын
@@Audiodreamer192-24 and many floorstanders have now a dedicated midrange woofer on each tower which, to me, sound much clearer than most 2way bookshelfs.
@Audiodreamer192-24
2 жыл бұрын
@@khoi83 amen!👍🍻
@kevinl6231
3 ай бұрын
It is my thought that the driver in the bookies do double duty with mids and bass. Floorstanding 3 away the extra work the driver has to do. I have a pair of Focal Sopra 1 bookies. Despite being a high end boutique brand, I could not get myself to love them.
@arjunmanoj2155
2 жыл бұрын
PREACH!! No reason to spend so much on towers if you already have a sub to handle the low-end better. Except if your room is like, HUGE, or whatever.
@jeffkelly5972
2 жыл бұрын
I had JBL tower speakers because my living room is large but my wife wanted something that was not in your face so I got Elac debut 6.2 bookshelf and a sub. I was forced to place them on top of a large bookshelf. I thought this would never work but it sounds ok. I was kind of shocked that it worked not my first choice but its ok.
@edmaster3147
2 жыл бұрын
What about response in mid- and kick bass? The dynamics wich need air being punched? In a really small setting large speakers are overdone, but in a spacious living room dynamics need power. Most subs should not do much over say 80Hz, so there is quite a gap where the smaller cones start to perform, or am I getting this wrong?
@jeffkelly5972
2 жыл бұрын
@@edmaster3147 My JBL towers had 2 woofers a midrange and tweeter they were rear ported and placed pretty close to the wall. I am getting better sounding bass with a sub and a pair of Elac debut 6.2
@edmaster3147
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffkelly5972 Placement is very important, what would have the sound been if the JBL's gotten more distance... Thing is, if the bookshelf speaker is an small ensemble, it cannot sound like an orchestra. I've got a 15inch Klipsch sub, which is an improvement on a 3 way speaker with 10inch woofers. Everybody should build the system that satisfies them at the end of the day.
@jeffkelly5972
2 жыл бұрын
@@edmaster3147 I agree with everything you say however my wife does not see it that way so if I still want to enjoy my music in the house without moving to the garage it will have to be bookshelves. 40 years ago I had a Macintosh amp with Altec Lansing voice of the theater speakers now its a Yamaha stereo receiver and Elac bookshelves.
@sidesup8286
2 жыл бұрын
I think Randy got us again with a sensationalistic heading. But we'd be tuning in anyway! The lead-ins for the 11 o' clock news here, used to do that. They'd come on with something that sounded like a major emergency disaster was about to happen to get viewers, so everybody would tune in and call their friends to tune in too. Only to discover that it was NOTHING, just how they cunningly worded it. That same News had a thing where if you watched their news instead of the other stations News, you could win money. Most people though, pick their News to watch based on journalistic excellence and which one they trust more for the truth. The truth of this matter is Yes and No. As Randy said, with stand speakers you can move them out into the room more to get way better spaciousness, less plaster coloration (yuk), from the wall behind them, and leave your sub back against the bass reinforcing wall behind them. Try bringing most floorstanders that far out into the room and see if you have any bass left. Walls and corners do re-inforce bass. Of course you can use a sub with floorstanders too. You would then likely get more power handling, more dynamic range and usually a "bigger" sound somehow, that doesn't sound strained at times or strained at all. Don't believe what you hear about subwoofers. The majority is often wrong, maybe even usually wrong. Especially in places like this. Bass below 150 herz is supposed to be non-directional, but something must be wrong with their equation. Just add a second subwoofer and adjust it so the bass volume is no louder than when you were using just one sub. The bass sounds way better and more realistic in many ways, some of which are hard to describe. "So much for numbers and theories" is what you'll think. If you hit the lottery and could choose between bookshelf speakers and big old MBL101's or Focal Grand Utopias, the bookshelf speakers are the ones to get then, right? Wrong.
@wadehoopes7781
2 жыл бұрын
For S & G's I placed my Paradigm Tower on my art desk with an "L" bracket and extra bracing, it's 3 feet off the floor.
@alphajcbjgballard1258
2 жыл бұрын
Best speaker recommendations under $300? Amp is technics SA- ex300 8 ohms. Mainly for listening to vinyl.
@invisible9455
2 жыл бұрын
i agree. but there are advantages and disadvantages to both. that said passive towers beat passive standmounters all day. but if we talk about good active DSP standmounters it's a whole different story. i haven't heard a tower yet that can beat my standmountspeakers in imaging or detail. standmounters got less resonating body. i don't need subs with my system. they play flat down to 29hz by themself. the bass is cleaner, tighter than i've heard on any towers so far and i've heard a lot. i still own many tower systems but they aren't my favorite anymore. bass pressure is given. with 2 x 8" with 180W each that's more than enough for my taste.
@Larwiz
2 жыл бұрын
All power to the towers! 😀
@TheFilletingfish
2 жыл бұрын
Nice one Randy. Don’t forget to calculate stands and we all know good ones ain’t cheap. Cinder blocks don’t count 😀
@marcusm5127
2 жыл бұрын
Have just heard the intro I just want to say you are wrong. I have old 15" towers and bought BW 707 S2 to fit in my living room. Then I upgraded the Sonos Sub to a BW DB4S. It blends decent but not like big speakers and a sub. But for cheap speakers I agree bookshelfs are better value.
@gianlucabassi8853
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Towers are even phisically imposing.
@soup_troop
2 жыл бұрын
I swear you’re gonna speed run to 100k, I found you a few months ago at 1000 subs and you’re already at 50k+. crazy.
@cheapaudioman
2 жыл бұрын
Ha. It’s been a cool ride and super fun. Thanks so much for watching from the beginning.
@ChicagoRob2
2 жыл бұрын
100K will be a piece of cake for cheapaudioman. I see 250K on the horizon.
@bongofury3176
2 жыл бұрын
40 years of hifi tells me to stick to floorstanders (and a sub). nothing punches like a big tannoy floorstander
@cheapaudioman
2 жыл бұрын
What about a 40 year old longshoreman?
@DougMen1
2 жыл бұрын
The classic Tannoy dual-concentrics are magic in a way few others can match
@mrebear9758
2 жыл бұрын
In terms of sound, floorstanders over bookshelves. If price or the room isn't an issue I wouldn't go for bookshelves. And I use LS50s plus a Rel T9i. You just don't get realistic scale from bookshelves.
@henriksrensen3220
2 жыл бұрын
Standmount speakers usually sound more coherent because of the simple design with a tweeter, a woofer, and a simple crossover. Bigger cabinets are less rigid. It's easier to design a great sounding small speaker, compared to a big 3 way speaker
@GhettoMike72
2 жыл бұрын
I got tower speakers (T2+) because I feel like it was way less likely my toddler could knock it over vs stands. Also I think they look cool.
@cheapaudioman
2 жыл бұрын
great point. Yeah. I'm always worried my 4 year old is going to poke out the drivers on the towers. I like towers too but I just prefer the flexibility of bookies
@khoi83
2 жыл бұрын
Same for me here with my nearly two year old active boy! I have very heavy floorstanders, no problem!
@justincarrico1261
2 жыл бұрын
This confirms my bias nicely.
@jimdabomb
2 жыл бұрын
Don't lie to people
@cheapaudioman
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not, Duke.
@thisisnev
2 жыл бұрын
Don't be a troll, duck boy.
@jimdabomb
2 жыл бұрын
@@thisisnev hey, stupid. I've been buying audio gear for maybe 25 years now. I've probably had 50+ different speakers during that time, bookshelves and towers from Klipsch, B&W, PSB, Paradigm, ProAc, Mission, IMF, KEF, ADS, Pioneer, Cerwin-Vega, Tekton Design, Duntech, Meadowlark Audio, JBL, Jamo, Definitive Technology, Bozak, Wharfedale, Advent, Infinity, Allison Acoustics, Magnepan, etc and have heard many more like Aerial Acoustics, Wilson Audio, Focal, Legacy Audio, etc and I can't say I've ever heard a bookshelf speaker sound better than a tower. They can do some things better but bookshelves will never tell the whole story like towers and will never integrate with a sub well enough to compare. I'll stick to my Duntech PCL-500 Marquis.
@CeeStyleDj
2 жыл бұрын
Rather hypocritical of you.
@TeDeKaay
Жыл бұрын
He didn't mention that you'll stuck with the sub just the same as the tower speakers cause it's hard to sell the sub too.
@jipillow1
2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see what you will do with actual sponsors
@Xull042
2 жыл бұрын
I hope he stays true to the original and does not become yet again another youtuber reviewer as all the others. I actually really liked the "low budget exagerated vibe" in his first videos
@lordaku4186
2 жыл бұрын
This is the info we want and need from established audiophiles 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@brooklynknightss
2 жыл бұрын
I have definitive technology BP20s tower speakers that are almost 30 years old and still sound fantastic!! I have definitive technology CS9060 center and definitive technology studio monitors 450s for rears......
@V1ralB1ack
2 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Towers have better bass because they can move more air generally, placements about the same assuming you're going to use stands. Flexibility of the speaker tower or not depends on the design. Some speakers are designed to be less picky with placement. Ultimately I'd say it depends on what are you trying to do. In a living room towers unless you have a very small apartment. In a bedroom bookshelves may make more sense. But bookshelves are definitely NOT way better than towers.
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