I would just like to say as someone new to the channel and to Legacy as a format (I just built Reanimator and played for the first time at SCG Baltimore) that I love how in depth you go on your pre and post games commentary. Going over individual card choices and then evaluating those cards after the matches goes a long way in helping me better understand the format and choose what decks I may like to try. Thank you very much for all that you do!
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
Love to hear it! That's always the goal. Glad it's helping. :)
@zault
Жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRollThe main reason I come back to watch an hour long video again and again, thoughtful insights and well delivered explanations. Keep up the good work Bosh :)
@AaronRotenberg
Жыл бұрын
24:33 Phil also quickly concluded in a ThrabenU video earlier this week that if you are building a Bowmasters deck, you want to be the deck that wins the Bowmasters mirror. There's a definite risk that the meta is going to degenerate into Bowmasters one-upmanship and get the card banned because the play pattern is miserable.
@derekcline950
Жыл бұрын
You're referring to Phil's Dimir Bowmasters video, right? I think the bigger issue is how vulnerable a blue Bowmasters deck is to Bowmasters (especially this one with Faerie Mastermind). But I'm not sure that this'll be an issue. If Bowmasters takes over the format, I'd expect monoblack stompy, with its own Bowmasters, to keep Dimir and Esper Bowmasters in check.
@VADBV
Жыл бұрын
@@derekcline950 Bowmaster works perfect in blue decks the problem was that Phil played Mastemind plus Baleful Strix and Brian played Mastermind plus Esper Sentinel. Crazy bad deckbuilding knowing people will at least test the new meta.
@derekcline950
Жыл бұрын
@VADBV Oh I wasn't saying that Bowmasters is bad in blue decks. If anything, I agree it is great in them. It just happens that Bowmasters beats up on cantrip decks AND beats up on other Bowmasters. My point is simply that, if the meta becomes crowded with U Bowmasters, we could see any number of nonblue decks (mono black stompy, Dead Guy Ale, Esper Vial, Newton Elves, Nicfit, etc.) sideboard or maindeck a set of Bowmasters without being as punished by the opponent's bowmasters due to lack of cantrips. Basically, I don't think we'll have to worry much about Blue Bowmasters mirrors dominating the meta
@rickrollin4570
Жыл бұрын
Bow masters will be banned, 💯%
@HelloWorld-cq1sq
Жыл бұрын
@@rickrollin4570 I'm not sure Bowmasters will get banned, because decks that don't draw cards / just combo off / don't have x/1s aren't that vulnerable to bowmasters. So if Bowmasters ever becomes dominant, decks that Bowmasters is relatively weak against will rise.
@Zii_Vii
Жыл бұрын
At 56:50 you cast a gobakhan which exiled the adept. At 58:05 they cast the adapt from exile and revealed the last card in their hand. You were asking what happened and I was confused at first too haha. New cards, eh? 😂
@Niehm
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, when he finished gobakhan and said they have 3 cards in hands I assumed he didn't see that the battle exiles
@g.goolihangrims1733
Жыл бұрын
I welcome our new Bowmaster overlords.
@DrDeltaboss
Жыл бұрын
Idk man "this isn't the product for you" is more like "this isn't the format for you" these days. I'm still interested in seeing new brews, but not playing much anymore
@emctwoo
Жыл бұрын
The amount of lands drawn in this league was nuts lol
@BMBAnauta
Жыл бұрын
Happens to me all the time I try to play some sort of control decks. So yeah I sometimes gave up of those because of that.
@Crimmando
Жыл бұрын
The bow master interaction with Staff seems strong in the bowmaster mirrors.
@Quiron1985
Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling Bowmasters getting play in every deck... Even seen D&T splashing B just for the bowmasters... I need to undust my Meddling Mages again.
@DragonDayDragon
Жыл бұрын
What are you thoughts on this line: At 1:00:25 when you brainstorm and merfolk wastelands you, daze your brainstorm to save your U.Sea and then fetch and pay for your daze
@Olivia-ev9hk
Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but in the merfolk matchup didn't you Exile the Silvergill with Gobakan? If so then it would not have been the card in their hand right? So they played the Silvergill from Exile l.
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
That makes sense! Lost track of it
@xZipkan
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see some version with Bowmasters and Winds of change + Burning Inquiry. Maybe some kind of hollow one deck or some kind of RB storm.
@baltasarbruno8975
Жыл бұрын
Basically what I'm brewing but for modern asmo hollow one
@rekenner
Жыл бұрын
Jim Davis tried that in Modern and it was.... pretty bad.
@Claymore2007
Жыл бұрын
It seems to me that Murktide Regent would do a lot for this deck's ability to play through opposing bowmasters and close out close games, especially since you aren't using the graveyard for much as-is. Ultimately, you're right about grixis looking better though.
@jasober
Жыл бұрын
Or tasigur/gurmag - Yes regent pitches to force but idk if he has enough fuel to support regent - seems like it would often just end up like a 3/3 for UU since he plays alot of permanents
@davidkallemeyn1324
Жыл бұрын
@1:20:08 the coining of a new phrase for when someone cantrips into your hullbreacher/bowmaster/faerie mastermind: "Pondering into my nuts" 🤣🤣
@jbf81tb
Жыл бұрын
Decks like this really hammer in that the value of Ponder/Brainstorm is finding the right tool for the job at any time, but Mastermind, Bowmaster, and Sentinel are never the right tool. They are only speed bumps; Incredibly powerful and flexible speed bumps, but legacy decks can beat all of these cards without too much sweat.
@ColeTrainStudio
Жыл бұрын
Round 1 is the perfect showcase of what so many MtG players hate about MtG. It's funny that a control mirror is what you (and many other players) enjoy most.
@treycuret
Жыл бұрын
I actually started crying at 39:27. The classic 2v1: Opponent and Comically Unlucky Variance vs Bosh.
@richardroberts3330
Жыл бұрын
Can’t believe staff of the story teller (which you seem to be in love with) that lines up great with bow master, isn’t in the grindy deck that this is, isn’t in the deck somehow.
@CullingCrimson.
Жыл бұрын
Playing Esper Sentinel and Faerie Mastermind when you know it's gonna be a Bowmaster Bonanza is prob not the move 😅
@peterheinisch2294
Жыл бұрын
Thoughts on Serenity vs Meltdown? Planning on building Dark-set (Narset Undoing with Bowmaster splash) soon, and currently have Meltdown in the sideboard.
@Stinkfist616
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about a dimir flash shell for this card, maximum reactive play with almost all instants / flash cards. Could even swing into a light faerie package.
@thekingpin34
Жыл бұрын
Errant and Giada worth?
@danielkings2443
Жыл бұрын
Looking at this deck I would want at least 2 of something a bit chonky like murktide regent
@ericjonsson
Жыл бұрын
Yep. Good ol' Murktide not giving a damn about puny orcs makes me think that Grixis Delver, similar to what we saw in round 3 (and with its own Bowmasters obviously) is a great choice in this Bowmaster metagame.
@666Metalbassist
Жыл бұрын
Im wondering if winconless value piles are even good anymore. Like every card that is playable just has tons of value stapled on to it. This seems to make the "out value my opponents" strategy so much harder to pull off.
@Sigdowner
Жыл бұрын
Could use Paladin Class to slow down flash creatures in the mirror AND make your doods survive orcs.
@ecpracticesquad4674
Жыл бұрын
I wish I could draw this many lands, on curve, in my 24 land deck. If I could cut 5 lands and still hit my 4th drop on curve, my decks would be so much better. 😂
@SkeletonsYouControlHaveHaste
Жыл бұрын
"I'M GONNA PLOW THIS DELIGHTED HAFLING IMMEDIATELY" Yeah I would too🥵😂 @25:59
@matthewbeard7841
Жыл бұрын
Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!!
@gigino127
Жыл бұрын
Just verifying it’s a 19 lands deck and not an 119…
@michaelsimeone9524
Жыл бұрын
The Metallica reference in round 1 was far better than the video title, IMO.
@spikescafe3940
Жыл бұрын
@1:00:30 would dazing your own brainstorm have been a play here?
@manwithbrisk3418
Жыл бұрын
If you're taking ideas, I think it would be cool to see Bowmasters in Reid Duke's recent legacy shell.
@vaentkhing579
Жыл бұрын
i've been waiting for the bowmasters to get into your hands.
@D0012D13
Жыл бұрын
Invasion of gobakahn seems almost like a thoughsieze if it hits a fow
@gregorybeemer428
Жыл бұрын
Those landrops tho!
@bradleytinney6969
Жыл бұрын
Spell Snare looks to be legacy playable if bow master and Faire mastermind are this prevalent.
@vantharion
Жыл бұрын
58:20 I don't know how often you read comments days later. The silvergil adept was NOT in their hand, it was in exile from the Invasion of Gobakhan. The other merfolk was the only card in the opponent's hand.
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
I do read them. And yeah that was pointed out to me. I wasn’t crazy and mtgo wasn’t broken. :)
@abe10alpha
Жыл бұрын
Okay… I’m convinced. Bowmaster is the truth and yet, I don’t feel like it’s a miserable card
@timothyharrelson6645
Жыл бұрын
I feel like if Bowmaster is good (as it is shaping up to be), we will see a similar meta shift to what we saw with W6 was legal. One toughness creatures will become significantly weaker, meaning decks with mana dorks and tempo/disruptive creatures (like the ones in D&T) will suffer. Though, W6 was a repeatable effect, unlike Bowmaster in most cases, which may make it less domineering against those decks playing lots of X/1's. I dislike Bowmaster being good against itself, it reminds me of the mental misstep play pattern -- though not quite that level of obnoxious.
@thekingpin34
Жыл бұрын
Funny that minor misstep and now stern scolding are around too
@francescolenzi699
Жыл бұрын
Nice video! This deck seems to lack a good finisher like murktide or sheoldred.
@travisdemonbreum8505
Жыл бұрын
Love it!
@alexparsons3295
Жыл бұрын
May I offer you a land in these trying times.
@dontbleedthadalo
Жыл бұрын
I feel like this deck would play totally different with Murktide Regent.
@wraith.ferron
Жыл бұрын
I miss the days when Gerrard's Verdict would've been playable in a deck like this, but those days are gone
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
I recorded with Rise/Fall this week and thought fondly of Gerrard’s Verdict
@joehenderson1
Жыл бұрын
Premodern is the Gerrard's Verdict format
@Frontline35
Жыл бұрын
Just want to say, I think the DMR basic lands should have been the P3K basic lands.
@HughLeFitness
Жыл бұрын
19 lands and borderline flood almost every round. Horrible RNG.
@ralphbarnes9335
Жыл бұрын
Lots of lands in this deck
@KingDoopliss20
Жыл бұрын
My be greedy, but i wonder if bowmaster is something we could run in B/r reaniamtor. 100% something to add to painter cus painters already adding black to it
@Bafflementation
Жыл бұрын
I'm curious whether there are any decks running Leovold at the moment, given how it interacts with opposing Bowmasters.
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
It gives you a card and they deal 1 damage as much as they want, right? Doesn't seem too good since they can just target themselves or the army to stop it, or worst case kill the Leovold for 3 cards.
@Bafflementation
Жыл бұрын
The key is that Leovold's effect is a may ability, while the bowmasters' isn't. So for cases like the opponent targeting Leovold, you have the choice to either cash it in for 3 cards (which can be a decent rate), or stop after 1 extra card and save Leovold. And obviously, if an opponent is being forced to target themselves or their own stuff with Bowmasters, that's also a win.
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
@@Bafflementation Oh, if Leovold is optional, that's much better.
@SpaceLordof75
Жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for the Metallica reference. 🤟🏼
@daltonmekis
Жыл бұрын
At 1:05:15 I don’t understand how Tideshaper is a 2/2 instead of a 1/1 the +2/+2 from the lords should be turned off from Dress Down and I would think that even the +1/+1 that comes from the Tideshaper’s own ability wouldn’t buff it
@demoncushion9600
Жыл бұрын
People called that this card would be an issue when it was spoiled. Can't ban the card until WoTC sells all the product. Then it can get banned.
@possiblystevo9141
Жыл бұрын
its probably not tight enough for legacy but Ive been smashing people with bow masters and dark deal
@yukihitachiin2977
Жыл бұрын
With the rise of mastermind and bowmaster, why not make an esper flash deck with brineborne cutthroat, slitherwisp which drains and draws a card, and cunning nightbonder that prevents countering your flash cards and reduces them.
@Mastblood
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like youre trying to play a standard deck in legacy
@shhhvcnear
Жыл бұрын
Has anybody gone truly nuts and used it with howling mine yet
@coryd531
Жыл бұрын
ALL.THE.LANDS.
@wayanc1880
Жыл бұрын
It's two mana and is in black. Mastermind feels better, but printing a strict counter to mastermind right after its release is downright disrespectful.
@yawg691
Жыл бұрын
You have my Arena land drawing luck I'm so sorry
@SpiritSquadMTG
Жыл бұрын
I don't think you could have reeled me in with a single thumbnail ANY faster if you tried.
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
Yeah you have Gobakhan energy
@DNA-DNB
Жыл бұрын
you drew way too many lands XD
@iancampbell4394
Жыл бұрын
It's just not fair. Beau Masters was already a great name. How are the rest of us plebes supposed to compete now?
@scottkaczmarski5238
Жыл бұрын
Bowmasters pox let's goo!!!!!
@googleplusisterrible4837
Жыл бұрын
1:08:05 I AM SO AMAZING…. A few moments later 1:08:39
@benjiboy1337
Жыл бұрын
Still feel like Teferi, Time Raveler is enough of a mistake of a card that it should just be banned in every format out of sheer principle.
@JeffKGabriel
Жыл бұрын
hek ya i been waiting
@darkblastal1744
Жыл бұрын
Play the same deck in grixis, white isn't all that much
@Dreg_s
Жыл бұрын
I thought bowmaster was ok and then days later learned it's an etb & on draw 😵 Title promised esper bowmaster, got esper lands
@milanmach2379
Жыл бұрын
Bowmasters let's gooo
@pokeyclawz8727
Жыл бұрын
I dont like esper sentinel in decks without significant kill pressure. If you arent forcing your opponent to let you draw cards to keep up their tempo or stop you winning the game then they can just wait and pay the 1 later
@musicalcacti
Жыл бұрын
Hello!
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
Hello!
@Zii_Vii
Жыл бұрын
Well then. It's hard to even gleam a proper evaluation of the card when 90% of your games were just mana flooded rofl 😂 fuckin hell man
@radiologer
Жыл бұрын
Add sheoldred
@derekcline950
Жыл бұрын
LotR feels like what MH2 should have been. Cards powerful enough to play but not dozens of format warping cards
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
There are just 3 playable cards, right? 2-ish in Legacy. Mostly just 1.
@derekcline950
Жыл бұрын
@fernandobanda5734 Just watching one of Phil and one of Brian's videos, we've seen 4 in Legacy? I think there are several more with niche applications. And that's the point. With 25,000 cards in Legacy, a 250 card set should only put maaaaybe a card into the top 100 cards (I.e. the top 5 or so decks) in a format.
@Soulslord
Жыл бұрын
Orcish Bowmaster is so wrong. it will be banned soon
@dramajoe
Жыл бұрын
nacl
@XboxTheBeatboxer
Жыл бұрын
You're flooding out because with a curve topping out at 3, you only need 17 lands. And that's without cantrips
@XboxTheBeatboxer
Жыл бұрын
Your curve actually tops out at 2 and your threats are flash. But 2-drop plus Spell Pierce/Brainstorm/Plow etc is 3.
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