When I was a kid walking home from school there was this old guy who exposed himself to me. I mentioned it kinda offhand to my mom when she asked how my day went, and then she called the cops. They had me look through a binder of pictures of guys who all kinda matched the description I gave them, and I pointed one out, but I gotta admit my eyes went directly to the ground as soon as I saw his junk, so... anyway. The officer then turned back a couple pages and pointed to a different guy and said, "are you sure it wasn't this one?" Honestly, at that moment I didn't know anymore. Memory is a weird thing. Recalling someone's voice after 40 years seems really unlikely to me. I could barely remember a guy's face on the same day.
@Bigwave2003
6 жыл бұрын
Everybody has a theory. There are a lot of creepy guys. They can't all be Zodiac. San Francisco police officer Donald Fouke, who was about ten feet away from the Zodiac minutes after cab driver Paul Stine was shot, said Lawrence Kane most resembles the man he saw. Bryan Hartnell, who survived a stabbing by a hooded Zodiac, remembers his voice. When he heard a recording of Lawrence Kane, he said that's the man! Kathleen Johns was abducted, along with her daughter, in a crime the Zodiac claims he committed. Johns identified Lawrence Kane from a photo line-up as her abductor. Three people who were on the scene of a Zodiac crime all point the finger at one man: Lawrence Kane.
@ricshmitz83
7 жыл бұрын
I have an uncle from Petaluma who's is 76 and looked a spit of the sketch around the late 60s. It freaked me out when I saw the pics in comparison to the composites. Makes me wonder!
@bigal223181
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your work on the Zodiac case. You stated that Darlene Ferrin probably knew the Zodiac killer. And she was possibly the first target for the Zodiac, but Betty Lou Jensen was the one killed mistakenly. I noticed a similarity back when they were presenting Jack Torrence as a suspect in the origional documentary. Jack's wife, Darlene Ferrin, and Betty Lou LOOK VERY SIMILAR in facial characteristics (or at least to me they did). I think Jack should be looked at again. Of course, every suspect seems to have evidence pointing to them.
@VeggieGamer
9 жыл бұрын
Well that was depressing... I have to admit, I am not fond of hearing about the Zodiac Killer as I kind of feel the legend he has become was kind of his M.O. But the stuff about people saying that their dads / friends on their death beds told them they were the killer... that is so damn tragic to me. I genuinely can't understand how anyone could make something up like that for money, etc. Almost makes this sort of thing aspirational. Anyway, great video. Moving on to your theories now :)
@mooganify
5 жыл бұрын
Youre probably right about the legend part but what good is that when nobody knows who you are?
@mirandagoldstine8548
8 жыл бұрын
I always thought Zodiac was a war veteran who suffered from PTSD. Gregory Sullivan, of Columbia University's Medical Center, explained in a question directed to him that psychotic symptoms, such as hallucinations, are most common in people who suffer from PTSD related to experiences in combat. The randomness of chosen victims could have been part of the visions he saw, flashes of past combat experiences. Those flashes would have caused him to view people as enemy combatants. Between those moments of hallucinations, he would have had glimpses of clarity, moments in which he would have seeked help. The problem with a lot of the Zodiac Killer theories is that they cast a net over a certain number of people. This net is based on the ciphers and the interpretations that rise from the attempt at cracking them. If I was a detective in the 1960s/1970s I would extend the net to homeless populations, I would interview the homeless people because they have a high chance of being eyewitnesses. I would extend it to Veterans help organizations, ask people if they knew a person who served in Nam who came back changed..... but that's just a theory....
@whitneyangelie3682
7 жыл бұрын
Miranda Goldstine I always got that same feeling about him too! Something about the way he operated just reminds me of someone who's been well trained In the military, and had probably served in Vietnam (and came back very fucked up from it) Even the sketch made of him looks like like a hardened Marine or something and the fact that he had a crew cut in the late 60's when almost all guys his age had long or shaggy hair makes me think that too. Also, all the secret codes he used when he wrote to the police makes me think he was deep in that world at one time. I also wondered if he might've been a cop or FBI at some point in his life, too
@thommytwotoestimesthree847
6 жыл бұрын
I think you're on the right track...or on the same path I'm following.
@rickh3714
5 жыл бұрын
Please see my new Riverside Confession letter hidden message decryption. Just click on the abstract round humanoid icon to see a short video. My POI has military service, was an expert rifle shot (ranks higher than marksman I believe). At one time he was implicating someone else as being the 'Zodiac'. My hidden message decryption ends with a possible 3 character nickname. Conventional coding methodology unconventionally applied. Thanks.
@thebladezmanII
9 жыл бұрын
I honestly think Gaikowski is the strongest suspect. Jack Torrence isn't a serious suspect at all. His son is a conman, like he was apparently trying to sell "evidence" to the zodiackiller.com admins. Not to mention, he's also pushing that Jack was responsible for the Black Dahlia murder.
@LordanARTS
9 жыл бұрын
+thebladezmanII Good points! Thanks for posting.
@thebladezmanII
8 жыл бұрын
+GeekenDorx I also found this blog recently and it swayed my opinion a bit. The suspect here is Lawrence Kane and I knew about him before as a suspect, but would usually dismiss him because there was never a whole lot of info, but I remember seeing the significant similarity in his writing style. This blog really gave great really in-depth info on him as a suspect, and I think he's quite up there as a suspect. welshchappie.wordpress.com/2014/08/23/lawrence-larry/
@WelshChappie
8 жыл бұрын
The above link and site about Kane is My Website, and I really do appreciate people giving their feedback and opinions to what is written. It is an article that as a reader, you can read in 10, maybe 15 minutes with lots of information and official documents. However, that 15 minute read took a couple of years to put together with the FOIA requests and documents etc. So, once again, thank you.
@WelshChappie
8 жыл бұрын
PS: I've become quite good friends (online anyway) with the Late Harvey Hines Brother, Oliver Hines. Oliver emailed me and said His Late Brother Harvey had put together a report of 100 plus pages that had never been made public and He dug it out, uploaded it and emailed it to Myself. If you liked what I write at the site and the in-depth info there, that's all my own research efforts and doesn't include the extremely detailed report HH put together. Anyone with interest in knowing more, my email is as the site declares: WelshChappie@aol.com
@DonPeyote420
7 жыл бұрын
You mean Tarrance? This ain't no Overlook lmao :)
@matthewwhite8882
8 жыл бұрын
That friend of Richard's is Bob Loomis. Bob was back peddling when he appeared on that show, according to Tom Voigt. Tom Voigt spoke with Loomis before Mystery quest and If we can trust Tom Voigt (IF), then Bob Loomis told Tom (some time in 2008) that Richard stayed with him at his home in Benecia in 1968. He remembered it was late '68 because it was before Xmas. But then, Bob changed his story and said it was after Xmas. One thing we do know for certain is that Richard quit working for that newspaper in Albany in September of 1968, that for sure is a fact. Which leaves plenty of time for Richard to be back in California for the December murders.
@kforcer
4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you--the tendency for people to produce and name pet suspects is the worst aspect of the amateur Zodiac community. You'd think people would be more cautious about possibly slandering an innocent person's name. Its a reason why I greatly prefer Michael Butterfield's work to Voigt's.
@thommytwotoestimesthree847
6 жыл бұрын
To date there are two dozen or more viable suspects ...some of which are highly plausible. Motive, location, fit the profile...etc. Next to the letter writing, the shoe prints and weapons used are the most promising clues.
@hel117
7 жыл бұрын
I'm sure someone has tried, but what if when he says "my identity" is in the cypher, what if he literally means the words ''my identity" are in there somewhere.
@rickh3714
5 жыл бұрын
Well, that's what I thought after pondering on the Riverside Confession letter for several days! It MIGHT just be a literal confession- but perhaps in coded form. A day or so of thinking on this from a new perspective I seemingly cracked the first 1+1/2 lines of a coded message. Please click on the abstract round humanoid icon to see my new Riverside Confession letter hidden message full decryption! Conventional coding methodology unconventionally applied! Handed to Police to apparently no avail on Sept 6, 2018. Thanks.
@bansheesgaming2010
7 жыл бұрын
they also compared art leigh allen's fingerprints and writers palm to the partials they had and they did not fit
@bansheesgaming2010
7 жыл бұрын
sorry wrote this comment before you mentioned this later
@angusmcpherson
5 жыл бұрын
you can use a wet sponge to moisten stamps and letters. i have done this when sending Christmas cards because of too much glue taste with 30 or so cards. i also think the Zodiac could have planted false fingerprints at the Stine crime scene. Cheney mentioned a wax ball that Allen used to squeeze and that he wanted Cheney's thumb print on it.
@corysummers3008
8 жыл бұрын
Maybe it was a couple different dads or parents that was in an occult????? That's something that hasn't been explored... And would explain why Lee Allen wasn't linked because maybe he did a different murder....
@johnscanlon2598
2 жыл бұрын
Process church
@TylerSane5
9 жыл бұрын
First! And man I'm soo happy your covering the Zodiac Killer!. I find his case too be the most interesting serial killer case ever! I remember not too long ago a guy came out saying he was the Zodiacs son n he even showed that his last name was in one of the puzzle his dad sent! They showed it on cnn and everything! I thought it was a pretty decent match but now on to your Theory which I cannot wait to see! You got a good mind set for this stuff! I could see you as a detective back in another life ;p lol jp but thanks for the videos bro!.
@Dionizos666
9 жыл бұрын
I also like Jack the Ripper case
@nokes22
7 жыл бұрын
Ross Sullivan is a credible suspect based on the sketches, handwriting and the connection to Riverside.
@MrDavid849
5 жыл бұрын
Order of likelihood: 1. Somebody nobody's ever fucking heard of. 2. Lawrence Kane. 3. Ross Sullivan. I guarantee he's one of these 3.
@guameruureyes4356
6 жыл бұрын
There is computer technology to analyze your voice that shows different graphical representations of speech and music recordings. This will allow you to perform phonetic analysis of human voice recordings (complete with spectrograms, spectral analysis, etc.)
@matthewwhite8882
8 жыл бұрын
I know people tend to make mistakes by taking a suspect they want it to be and then matching that suspect to the evidence, rather than match the evidence to a suspect which is what you're supposed to do. However, nearly EVERYTHING matches up with Richard Gaikowski being the Zodiac. He was in all the right places at the right time and he even had a relative (cousin Patricia Gaikowski) living on Washington street where Paul Stine was murdered in the cab in 1969, on October 11th. October 11th was Patricia's birthday and she claims that she wasn't speaking to Richard at that time. Although, assuming Gaik was Z, then if he had been stopped by cops while he was walking down the street, he could've told them "I'm going to see my cousin it's her birthday".
@spencerdurham1100
6 жыл бұрын
the only way he'll ever be found is through DNA case is to old for anything else. love your videos! very informative. you really study your stuff man! keep up the great work!
@Cyaneyed77
9 жыл бұрын
I'd recommend looking into the history of Robert Graysmith (formerly Smith Jr). A lot of the assumed facts were fabrications in his book and you need to read the files themselves to find the truth. There were good suspects for the first two murders - and the phone calls 'from Zodiac' came after dispatch calls, which could've been listened into before the calls were made (meaning there are really no details in the calls which were impossible to know). Mageau on the night he was shot was wearing several layers of clothing and was probably planning to commit robberies the same night, his association with Darlene was likely not a romantic one. Why did Andy Nickolatos Jr. know he was going to be arrested for murder? The Berryessa murders scream 'opportunist' not 'Zodiac'. Police were given the wrong description (they were looking for a black male) at first with the Stine shooting (which was likely a robbery gone wrong, perhaps the description was given on assumption because there were known criminals with that m.o in the area), with Officer Fouke after this claiming to have driven past the real suspect, and despite him having come from the wrong direction, and despite his partner not remembering this at all, this goes into the lore. Same cop also felt he knew who the suspect was and that he'd tailed him to a likely den but 'forgot to write it in the scratch'. No reason to think any of the letters were written by a killer, every reason to look at certain people at his 'favourite' newspaper and certain people at the scenes. Thomas Horan is one person I'd recommend looking up, he's researched this and put it all into words better than I can in a comment (though I don't agree with him on everything, he goes into most the points I've raised here). Alot more I could write but don't want to go into tl:dr territory :)
@masejoin9698
8 жыл бұрын
Actually. Mageau wore clothing because he was embarrassed at how skinny he was, and Darlene was his gf...
@1017BrickSquaddd22
7 жыл бұрын
the zodiac killer was bob vaughn and his boy friend rick marshall, rick marshall said he had found something more enjoyable than sex, he was a big fan of old film in which his favorite was el sprectre rojo which is a weird ass film... in this film 2 women r killed very close to the way bryan hartnell and shepard were attacked... i personally believe vaughn was paying marshall to make snuff films,,,hence why zodiac used the flash light at night was because he was recording the murders... video cams at the time were out but they were exspensive only a collector of old films would have one like marshall.. when marshall left his apartment the landlord said she found a bunch of womens handbags in his closet...weird... rick lived blocks away from stine murder and lived in riverside time of cheris death...at one pint vaughn claims rick gave him a film that he should never watch...rick ended up taking it back at some point... after rick took thew film back vaughn said he had not talked to rick or had any interest on talking to rick anymore...now i think vaughn got tired of watching the films and ended up wanting to kill...which is why stine was killed...officer fouke said the man he saw walking that night after the stine murder was of welsh origin...now when u say u think someone is of a certain origin u must feel very strong about this...or how else would u even get the idea he could be welsh unless the man rlly did look welsh...fouke said either his family or his wife family is welsh and thats how he knew...the last name vaughn is the only name through out the zodiac case that is 100 percent welsh origin... i do think vaughn was the one who was writitng the letters...which would mean he would of had to been at the lake beryeessasasasa scene maybe in ricks car... the closest match to the handwrititng of the zodiac ever was bob vaughns...
@1017BrickSquaddd22
7 жыл бұрын
everyone has a reason why mike wore so many cothes that night...what i heard was he had been arrested before for petty theifs....and he had either robbed someone that night or they were planning on robbing someone that night
@Stumpfs
7 жыл бұрын
Like Tom Voight, the zodiackiller site webmaster, I believe Richard to be the zodiac.
@chainreaction5039
6 жыл бұрын
Serious suspect: Ross Sullivan
@evelynwells-rk1ed
Жыл бұрын
How about Jim Phillips CrabTree.
@samantarizzi248
4 жыл бұрын
I still bet on Arthur Leigh Allen to be the actual Zodiac killer. It's just too much to unsee, you know. Unfortunately no man will be punished, due to bad police work, like we've seen happen many times before! What can I say? This is a mistery that will forever haunt me. I just wish the killer was more sloppy and leave some sort of hard evidence, that's not just circumstantial evidence...
@johnscanlon2598
2 жыл бұрын
You just said sloppy police work then went on to say you just wish he had left some hard evidence ? lol so what were the sloppy cops supposed to work from ?
@SevenCostanza
3 жыл бұрын
god can you imagine if its not this arthur b allen guy. his whole life being suspected of being a serial killer whn hes just some random guy trying to live his life
@robertburke2246
Жыл бұрын
He was a convicted paedophile, so he deserves it.
@jenthemoose
6 жыл бұрын
Have you heard the Snap Judgement, “Mystery Man” from NPR about Earl Van Best Jr. & Gary Stewart?
@magpieeye3239
9 жыл бұрын
Speaking about the DNA. I wonder if the envelopes and stamps have ever been tested for traces of DNA. I'm sure they still have them in evidence.
@LordanARTS
9 жыл бұрын
+magpieeye I have heard of some of the envelopes being tested, but I believe they were only able to get a partial DNA profile.
@martinez81
5 жыл бұрын
Harden - The teacher post code area 408 house number 54(the number of the symbols)
@GMZohar14
6 жыл бұрын
When the Zodiac is supposedly keeping score by showing his symbol with - saying a number and the sfpd-0.. I don't think that means keeping score of the body count, cause why would you keep track of something you will always win? Like of course the sfpd is 0 they didn't murder anyone.. Or if its keeping score of how many kills until they find him then the score would still be like Zodiac-38 and sfpd-1.. So again he still wins. Makes no sense honestly, so he is either giving a clue or keeping score about something else
@matthewwhite8882
8 жыл бұрын
We know about Richard because of an informant who uses the alias "Blaine", who was a friend of Richard's from 1969 to Richard's death in 2004. Now Blaine is this old hippie who definitely seems weird but you want to know how I know this guy is legit? He suspected Richard of Being Z back in 1986 and when he gathered circumstantial evidence up against Richard, he could've tried to write a book as several people have done claiming to have cracked the case. But instead, he went to the police. He went to Ken Narlow in Napa, and even when their investigation on Richard was ruined by Darlene Ferrin's sisters, Blaine went to the FBI and the California Department of Justice.
@jonathanturbide2232
8 жыл бұрын
I do think "Blaine" is a credible source. It's frustrating that authorities basically laughed at his evidence simply because he's an unusual guy (weird hair, lives like a gypsie). Authorities should investigate the evidences before investigating who give them the evidences. They messed up. I'm not convinced Gaikowski was the Zodiac but Blaine's evidences should have been looked into waaay before they did that MysteryQuest episode in 2009
@leekimberlin3601
4 жыл бұрын
Seems like the sfpd was a little laxed!
@hallowt
8 жыл бұрын
Actually if the Zodiac killer wanted to prove he was inf fact 'Z', then he would produce parts of Paul Stine's shirt. That would without a doubt prove he tells the truth.
@smallies7154
7 жыл бұрын
allen cleared out his trailer after the cops interviewed him cause cheney reported him. after that they received no more pieces on the cab drivers shirt in the letters. they received no z letters while leigh was in jail either. it allen for me
@hallowt
7 жыл бұрын
Arthur Allen is not the Zodiac, contrary to what they want you to believe. The Zodiac knew what he was doing. No DNA matches to Arthur at any crime scene, on the stamp (yest I know he could have had someone else lick the stamp). Allen's not your guy. Trust me, I have a friend who has extensively trailed the Zodiac...and if anyone is going to find him, it will be him.
@1017BrickSquaddd22
7 жыл бұрын
the zodiac killer was bob vaughn and his boy friend rick marshall, rick marshall said he had found something more enjoyable than sex, he was a big fan of old film in which his favorite was el sprectre rojo which is a weird ass film... in this film 2 women r killed very close to the way bryan hartnell and shepard were attacked... i personally believe vaughn was paying marshall to make snuff films,,,hence why zodiac used the flash light at night was because he was recording the murders... video cams at the time were out but they were exspensive only a collector of old films would have one like marshall.. when marshall left his apartment the landlord said she found a bunch of womens handbags in his closet...weird... rick lived blocks away from stine murder and lived in riverside time of cheris death...at one pint vaughn claims rick gave him a film that he should never watch...rick ended up taking it back at some point... after rick took thew film back vaughn said he had not talked to rick or had any interest on talking to rick anymore...now i think vaughn got tired of watching the films and ended up wanting to kill...which is why stine was killed...officer fouke said the man he saw walking that night after the stine murder was of welsh origin...now when u say u think someone is of a certain origin u must feel very strong about this...or how else would u even get the idea he could be welsh unless the man rlly did look welsh...fouke said either his family or his wife family is welsh and thats how he knew...the last name vaughn is the only name through out the zodiac case that is 100 percent welsh origin... i do think vaughn was the one who was writitng the letters...which would mean he would of had to been at the lake beryeessasasasa scene maybe in ricks car... the closest match to the handwrititng of the zodiac ever was bob vaughns...
@hallowt
7 жыл бұрын
I respectfully disagree with you. I am working with someone who has access to evidence, has talked to the detectives and people involved with the case.
@1017BrickSquaddd22
7 жыл бұрын
and who does he thin it was? what about the fact officer fouke said the man was wearing some type of enigneer boot... but in his letters he selled motorcycle wrong...do u think he was trying to hide he rides a bike
@leekimberlin3601
4 жыл бұрын
Wow Lorden you are good at this I'd promote you to police captain!
@flashkraft
7 жыл бұрын
Gaikowski seems to be a good suspect but I have never seen a photo of Gaikowski overweight. He always appears to be a fairly normal body size. Not unless he wore a bullet proof vest when he dressed as the Zodiac and that would bulk out his appearance.
@TheOne-jq4yo
6 жыл бұрын
I am a fan of your videos if that is alright to say due to the subject matter of them.
@joolstyler9718
6 жыл бұрын
Harden
@MrDhitman2
5 жыл бұрын
California why so many scary people ?Damn thats bat crazy lol
@chad3232132
8 жыл бұрын
Wait, so Ted Cruz wasn't the Zodiac Killer?! :P
@tland2u22
6 жыл бұрын
The killer is Larry Kane who possibly worked with Ross Sullivan. To even discuss Arthur Allen or anybody else is laughable.
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