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@waffle911
Күн бұрын
Indeed, quite a lot bigger and more robust than an Explorer. The Excursion is based on the F-250 ¾-ton class full-size pickup truck chassis, where the Explorer of the time was more closely related to the Ranger mid-size pickup, and the Expedition (and luxury variant Navigator) between them was based on the F-150 ½-ton class full-size pickup. The Excursion platform would have had sufficient braking ability for the added weight of the stretch conversion since it was intended to carry and tow a significant amount of weight. It's also a body-on-frame construction as most American limousines traditionally were, including the ever popular Lincoln Town Car. Since the body is not a load-bearing member of the vehicle's structure, cutting and welding in a stretch section doesn't compromise the overall structure nearly as much as it would for a unibody vehicle like an Omega. The underlying frame is also far easier to reinforce for increased load carrying capacity. This is of course assuming all cuts and welds were properly done and treated for rust prevention to a similar level as the manufacturer, which rarely actually occurs.
@gtasandman
Күн бұрын
@@waffle911 To add, had the brakes been in working condition. They're more than capable to handle the load of the conversion because the original truck/suv was designed for towing. with up to a 10,000lb capacity depending on the engine it came with.
@charleslloyd400
Күн бұрын
I was going to say, I can’t imagine anyone being excited to get in a stretch Explorer. That’d be like your Vauxhaul example.
@StevenBrown-wn6gh
Күн бұрын
You on point!
@five12man
Күн бұрын
Jesus that's so much worse...
@eddiehimself
Күн бұрын
"The driver couldn't be interviewed on account of being dead" bruh 💀
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
It is not untrue
@FluxDeimos
Күн бұрын
@@PlainlyDifficult If you aren't willing to take 7 levels of cleric to interview the dead are you even REALLY a journalist? :P
@cadillacdeville5828
Күн бұрын
@@PlainlyDifficult You got a point ☝🏾❤.
@Snarf_Le_Wombat
Күн бұрын
🫵🏿☝🏿🤦🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️@@PlainlyDifficult
@Moon_x_sun
Күн бұрын
I feel like its a pretty valid reason to not participate in a interview
@TransistorBased
Күн бұрын
What an awful human- flee the country after killing twenty, and leave your own son to deal with the mess
@chrismay2298
Күн бұрын
Seems fairly average when you pay attention to humans...
@SubPablum
Күн бұрын
He must have been involved with the business and would have faced charges anyway right? They can't just go after someone else because the guy they want took a fade. There are a lot of issues with the justice system in the U.S. but I have never heard of a proxy-defendant before at least not in criminal court. Sins of the father and all that.
@StrongDreamsWaitHere
Күн бұрын
@@TransistorBased There was also some weird business about the owner being involved with the US State Department in some way, possibly as an informer against the Taliban who received protection in the US, or some other kind of activity involving the State Department. I don’t know if we ever learned if this was true or just rumor.
@RealCadde
Күн бұрын
Look at which country he fled to. Pakistan. Now, consider the kind of people who live there. This is EXPECTED behavior of all from the region. If i were a son of a Pakistan man, i would apply for adoption by better humans no matter how old i am.
@silver-ops
Күн бұрын
why the hell are you being racist bruh, no one likes that
@ricequin
Күн бұрын
I had a limo for my wedding and it was really strange squeezing through the tight twisty cobbled streets near Stirling Castle, but our driver did a stellar job of not destroying any parked cars, pedestrians or historic buildings.
@WalterHildahl
Күн бұрын
Limos are made for America!
@goosenotmaverick1156
Күн бұрын
@@WalterHildahl and as Americans, my wife and I wonder often why Limosines still exist.
@curbyourshi1056
Күн бұрын
Stirling's very lovely. Have an infinite Marriage please.
@vanCaldenborgh
Күн бұрын
I also try to avoid pedestrians while driving.
@RT-qd8yl
Күн бұрын
@@goosenotmaverick1156 I rode in one in 5th grade back in the 90's because we won the Pizza Hut Book Club tournament. So me and 6 other kids got to go to Pizza Hut in a limo. Granted this was in like 1997, but it wasn't great. I tried making a phone call and the phone didn't work because it was still like IMTS from the 80s or something, and it just smelled weird in there. All in all it was an experience, but not one of my top 10s. 😐
@randommusic4567
Күн бұрын
"it just goes down hill from here" Brutal
@patriotic_car5944
Күн бұрын
Literally
@steveguzman6141
23 сағат бұрын
Yeah not good dont even warna think about the mess RIP
@v-2010
Күн бұрын
Explorer - Wrong Expedition - Wrong Excursion - Right
@BlairAir
Күн бұрын
Same observation. Not that the vehicle was modified correctly, maintained correctly, inspected correctly, certified correctly, driven correctly. That thing wouldn't be safe in a demolition derby. Seatbelts don't save lives hidden under the seat vs. Clicked into place around the passengers body.
@wessltov
Күн бұрын
Expresso - Wrongest
@Dimondminer11
Күн бұрын
Don't forget Edge and Escape
@v-2010
Күн бұрын
@@Dimondminer11 😂 When I left the comment a lot of people were incorrectly correcting “Explorer” with “Expedition.” So I left the comment.
@Dimondminer11
Күн бұрын
@@v-2010 Well it's ford's fault for naming all of their vehicles so damn similarly during this time period. Like the Fusion, Focus, and Fiesta. Half the time i cant remember which ones are which
@mbryson2899
Күн бұрын
In my teens I occasionally helped out at an auto repair shop swapping labor for instruction and experience. Among the vehicles I worked on were three limos; I was shocked at how haphazard and shoddy the conversions on two of them were. The exception was the limo that was owned by a funeral home...a vehicle that was never likely to see a highway or exceed 25 mph. The owner and mechanics detested working on limos, they could not ever be repaired quite right because of their frankenstein nature. The boss and the oldest mechanic advised me to never drive or use a limo, them being "accidents waiting to happen." Today's story reminded me of a fatal limousine experience that happened around ten years ago in San Mateo County, California, USA on a suspension bridge over the San Francisco Bay. It was a fire due to the conversion, and it killed IIRC five women who were part of the wedding party. Horrible stuff.
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
They do come across as rolling death traps!
@CoryRwtfyt
Күн бұрын
I worked for a few dealers, and I didn't see any conversion limos. But I will say the small taxi companies in my area had the worst vehicles I've ever seen safety wise.
@ordinaryk
Күн бұрын
Funeral homes, ironically, have the safest limos.
@mbryson2899
Күн бұрын
@@CoryRwtfyt They had one customer who was also a taxi entrepreneur. The shop did service and repairs on his pair of late 70s (I think) Checker Marathons, "Tweedledum" and "Tweedledee." His examples were dreamy- he didn't cut corners and he kept the undercarriages clean, very important in Chicago due road salt. Plus Checker made dirt simple, logical cars with no vanity to them. His had the Chevy 250 cid I-6 and GM TH400 3-speed automatics; easy peasy to work on and dead reliable. I did hear horror stories from one mechanic about taxis in general, though, and how some branches cut corners wherever possible. Example: Leaking caliper? Cut the hose, run a bolt into it as a plug, secure with a hose clamp...problem solved! 😯
@mbryson2899
Күн бұрын
@@ordinaryk Their customer base is already assured, no need to create new clients. 😉
@poindextertunes
Күн бұрын
The realization of having inadequate brakes on a 13,000 lb vehicle going downhill at 100mph has to be the most anxiety inducing scenario a driver/passenger can experience. sheesh
@janelj54
Күн бұрын
There was a crash in Carson City Nevada a few years ago when a guy with no commercial license was paid to haul a yacht from Lake Tahoe. The highway is steep and winding with a signaled intersection at the bottom. He was towing a 44 foot, 38,000 pound boat with a regular Ford F-350, which had a maximum towing capacity of 21,000 pounds. He failed to use the runaway truck ramps and plowed into cross traffic, killing an older couple. The boat and trailer kept rolling down the highway and hit more cars. There have been multiple crashes at this intersection from trucks that can't stop but this was the worst.
@WobblesandBean
23 сағат бұрын
@@janelj54 Why the hell didn't he use the runaway truck ramps?
@tz138
23 сағат бұрын
Since this was actually an Excursion, a 3/4 ton chassis, the brakes should have been adequate...
@Nefville
22 сағат бұрын
@@tz138 He kept saying Explorer but I'll forgive him on the account of being in the UK where the biggest passenger cars are Land Rovers. Excursions were beasts, I had a coworker who had one with a V10. Thing got maybe 8 MPG.
@jaysmith1408
21 сағат бұрын
@@Nefvilleout of the three engine options, they were all rubbish. The tritions or navistar’s powerstroke, i was ecstatic when they were replaced.
@WayFroo
Күн бұрын
The fact he left his son that ended up taking the heat is just another tragedy - what a scumbag!
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
Very much was a douche leaving his son
@gchampi2
Күн бұрын
Unfortunately, that's not uncommon in the Pakistani/Muslim culture. The father would be the head of the family, and seen as the main source of wealth in the family. The son going to prison in his place would be seen as a mark of respect, and an honor, as it let the main moneymaker continue to grow the family's wealth... It's a strange viewpoint from a western point of view, but within their culture it makes sense.
@jasperhorace7147
23 сағат бұрын
@@gchampi2 And we in the West are supposed to believe they will integrate and become valued citizens!
@halm8422
21 сағат бұрын
What do you expect from a society that places so little value on human life? Why do you think we call them "pakies?"
@snakeinthegrass7443
21 сағат бұрын
@@jasperhorace7147 Only if you're delusional
@RobKaiser_SQuest
Күн бұрын
I know a guy who runs a service and also has an Excursion, he had the body placed on an unlengthened F650 frame. It's tall with a wide tire stance, and handles the way it was meant to.
@DrewLSsix
Күн бұрын
And has brakes more than capable of stopping the vehicles mass, since it's designed for heavy towing to begin with.
@michaelbuckers
16 сағат бұрын
@@DrewLSsix Big brakes don't stop you faster, they stop you longer. Brakes stop the car by converting kinetic energy into heat, which actually works quite well since kinetic energy is tiny. A car going 50 mph down the road has the same kinetic energy as 10 lbs of boiling water has thermal energy. The limiting factor is caliper heating, which causes brake fluid to boil and reduce effective pad pressure, since the fluid in the brake line stops being incompressible. Bigger brakes cool faster and have more thermal mass, but that's it. This only becomes an issue on a race track, or if you're rolling down a huge mountain without using engine brake. This crash happened because of multiple point brake system failure. The brakes themselves seemed adequate, considering how long it worked just fine.
@Katchi_
13 сағат бұрын
@@michaelbuckers So many partial truths... Which does not make facts.
@michaelbuckers
12 сағат бұрын
@@Katchi_ You're partially right. Actual energy contained in 10 lbs of boiling water is MORE than the kinetic energy of F-150 barreling down the highway at 50 mph, by 25%. You may not be able to fully lock up the rotors with small brakes if you use drag racing tires and smart car brake booster on a loaded truck, so there's a scenario in which you need a bigger brake to stop faster. This scenario is also where brake size is a limiting factor. The brake turns a minuscule amount of kinetic energy into acoustic noise and frictional material ablation, not just heat alone. Overheating of rotors can become an issue outside of a race track or a mountain, if you put a blowtorch to it. But all of that amounts to a big load of pedantry with absolutely no consequence. Which is why I didn't include it to begin with.
@MitchQuadrupleTree
Күн бұрын
I work as a bus driver, and for a few years I worked at a charter company that had a converted Ford Expedition limo. That company always worked to maintain a high standard, making sure all the drivers had the proper endorsements and medical clearance for interstate travel, as well as frequent drug testing, and kept their fleet of buses and motorcoaches in good working order. I never once felt unsafe driving any of the buses or the limo, and even when something did go pear-shaped, I never felt I was in any real danger. Just very inconvenienced, like the time a motorcoach broke down in the middle of South Dakota and I had to wait for a tow. If I had seen any of the corner cutting this company was doing, I'd have run the other way and maybe even tried to alert the DOT.
@kimberlyokeeffe5360
Күн бұрын
Not sure what state your licenses in but I'm from Mass and drove charter buses for about 20 years. Contacting our state DOT really didn't result in any quick inspections. It takes multiple complaints and years before the company is shut down. I also was employed by companies that stayed ahead of maintenance but I can't tell you the number of buses I ran into during down times that I wouldn't put an animal on. And the general public doesn't have our insider knowledge so they don't know who to contact to get the ball rolling. I remember hearing about this horrible accident when it happened and telling my husband (who is also a CDL bus driver) that there was something wrong with the limo and that the driver wasn't trained. Turns out my statement was the tip of the iceburg. NY state dropped the ball several times starting when it was first registered in the state to just before the accident. And they also dropped the ball on the company as well.
@samsonsoturian6013
Күн бұрын
Luxury goods markets draw in greedy bastards because of the fat profit margins
@vote4carp
20 сағат бұрын
Companies like this one are likely not hiring the "whistle-blower" type. More like the, "you don't have a license? What a coincidence, we don't either" mutually shady people.
@fuzzwork
18 сағат бұрын
The NYDOT had already tagged the limo out of service with a windshield sticker. The company scraped it off and put it back into service
@Perich29
4 сағат бұрын
Class B CDL is required if the vehicle seats more that 15 people.
@ThraceVega
Күн бұрын
This happened not far from me. I still hear it come up in conversation occasionally. A huge tragedy, so easily preventable.
@krissteel4074
Күн бұрын
Its not even more than basic car maintenance really, if its worn out and your business, you fix it.
@_GntlStone_
Күн бұрын
@@krissteel4074Id rather they also upgrade the braking system to account for the extra weight and mass of the vehicle. There's a reason buses don't have the same brakes as a standard SUV.
@krissteel4074
Күн бұрын
@@_GntlStone_ Sadly that seems to be a voluntary engineering requirement in that part of the world instead of an accredited one.
@glock22357
Күн бұрын
@@_GntlStone_ And a wider wheel and tire package, to be able to utilize the braking performance from the uprated braking system.
@davidconner-shover51
Күн бұрын
@@_GntlStone_ agreed, my mini shuttle bus (no longer used in that capacity) has a GVWR of 10,500lbs, more than a ton and a half lower than that monstrosity. I guarantee it has more than double the braking power
@darraghmckenna9127
Күн бұрын
“Who would get excited by an Opel Omega stretch” People in Donegal and NI sure like em
@rich_edwards79
Күн бұрын
Being of a somewhat Gothic persuasion, we once almost bought an old, black stretched Volvo 740 funeral car as a fun alternative to a minivan for hauling the kids around. Knowing what I do now about stretch cars, I'm glad we didn't... plus it would have made Asda car park a bit of a challenge.
@thhseeking
18 сағат бұрын
Opel Omega, Vauxhall Omega, Commodore Omega - all the same GM rubbish hiding behind local brand names.
@AntoniusTyas
17 сағат бұрын
Imagine a stretched Vauxhall-Lotus Carlton.
@darraghmckenna9127
9 сағат бұрын
@@AntoniusTyas that would be fun !
@selanryn5849
Күн бұрын
The couple had originally reserved an actual party bus for this outing, but it canceled on them that morning, and they ended up with this monstrosity as a last minute replacement. Conversion limos shouldn't be allowed on the road when safe, purpose-built alternatives are so readily available now.
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
That’s terrible
@christinaknapp1980
Күн бұрын
I remember another channel that covered this said one of the teenaged passengers texted their friend just before leaving that the converted limo looked like a death trap or some other comment joking about it'd probably kill her.
@smittykins
Күн бұрын
@@christinaknapp1980 And that “the engine is making everyone deaf.”
I'm surprised the passengers in the very back didn't survive if they were wearing the seatbelts.
@Pete-or1jg
Күн бұрын
I am an upstate NY resident from Albany, who lives about 30 minutes from where this happened. This was such a messed up tragedy and a truly disgusting display of negligence and irresponsible actions. So damn sad and horrible
@kuebby
Күн бұрын
Why are these dodgy limos so popular in NY? I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else. I think it must be due to some quirk in NY vehicle law.
@samsonsoturian6013
Күн бұрын
@kuebby The people who like limos also like giant cities. I saw a professionally made limo sitting in a dealership out here on the plains, that's it.
@snakeinthegrass7443
21 сағат бұрын
@@kuebby It's def not the law, unless someone's palm is getting greased. The laws are strict and costly for any motor vehicle but especially heavy duty and special purpose vehicles. The state does all the inspections on those vehicles. This guy actually just got that limo inspected not too long before the accident, but it wasn't by the state, it was a nationwide chain garage. I'm not saying any names but a tire or muffler place is coming to mind as doing the inspection. They're not authorized to inspect limos in NY. So he must've paid an employee to do it, or the guy wasn't trained properly. Since the limo was illegally made, the original title and registration never changed it's class. When a pass veh or light truck comes in, they scan the reg sticker in the windshield - now the NYS inspection computer is linked to the reg - which is from the original vehicle. So the dude just peeks quick at one of the brake pads, checks the outside lights, tire tread, and it has to get plugged into the veh to check emissions and whatever. If the guy didn't know he wasn't allowed to inspect limos, nothing would've red flagged from the state. On the other hand, there's never just one person working at these joints. A manager is always there. They prob have been paying people to do it for as long as they were operating it. So if it's not the law that's the prob here, I'd say it's prob the caliber of some people that have been coming here legally for decades now, to run businesses that get big tax breaks and other incentives to set up shop. Think of a family from anywhere else on earth other than the region he fled to. Now imagine this exact scenario where the father comes home without his son who is facing prosecution for the business you were in charge of. I would expect my family and anyone who sees me wherever I had fled to, to turn me in. It's despicable. So I guess you're right - it is the law. Just not the MV laws. ✌
@alexjenner1108
22 сағат бұрын
For some reason, people seem to think it's cool to travel in a stretched limo, but uncool to travel in a bus that is designed for the job of carrying a lot of people. Also, the occasional appearance of the Pinto in this video was a nice touch.
@laconicdraconic697
Сағат бұрын
They had reservations for a bus but it cancelled on them last minute that morning, the Limo was the only thing they could get last minute
@wizardfrog3104
Күн бұрын
I know nothing about engineering or technological stuff, im just a random artist and prop maker but these videos are always fascinating to me lol, pushes me outa my comfort zone for lack of a better word
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
Thank you!!
@TungstenCarbideProjectile
Күн бұрын
i know everything about engineering, in fact i probably know more about engineering than any other human alive today.
@MothKeeper
Күн бұрын
@TungstenCarbideProjectile Yep engineering BS answers that really aren't true 💩💩💩💩💩💩👨🦽🐴
@CainXVII
Күн бұрын
Hey, I'm a random artist and prop maker too! Not often I see my kind in the wild :)
@wizardfrog3104
Күн бұрын
@@CainXVII hell yea! Im yet to meet anyone else who does what i do irl lmao, granted im still somewhat learning lol
@BigMobCar4
Күн бұрын
1:23 Reminds of that one Top Gear episode, where they made their own bizarre limousines. BTW, the limo in this incident was a Ford Excursion, not an Explorer.
@ghoffmann821
Күн бұрын
Can you imagine a 30' Explorer? Lol
@serisothikos
Күн бұрын
This is exactly what came to mind for me as well.
@nathanarcher6764
22 сағат бұрын
30' Mustang with a cummins would be super american
@thisissparta789789
18 сағат бұрын
I am a volunteer EMT with an ambulance squad that responded to this (although I wasn’t a member yet of it). I was (and still am) in the volunteer fire service a county over and in college at the time of the crash, but not in EMS yet when it happened, but went to college with a volunteer FF from Richmondville (he later moved to Cobleskill) who went to the accident with the Schoharie County Hazmat Team to help with the cleanup and body recovery. He told me he will never unsee the things he saw there during the cleanup when he went into the limo and around the Apple Barrel (the restaurant the crash happened at). The chief of my ambulance squad also went, and said similar things. It’s so weird to think an incident so close to me is being covered by channels I watch regularly. God bless everyone who responded to this horrific accident and did the best they could to save those on board.
@StrongDreamsWaitHere
Күн бұрын
You missed a lot of the chicanery in this incident. The owners had re-registered the limousine with the state as smaller than it really was, so they would fall under less strict inspection rules. York State didn’t track registration changes so they had no way to identify and investigate the discrepancy. The New York State police had several times placarded the limousine as out of service for safety violations, but the owners just scraped the stickers off and continued to use the vehicle. The police knew they were doing this, but they didn’t confiscate the vehicle, even though they had the authority to do so. The car repair shop that performed the annual vehicle safety inspections was not authorized to do so on such large vehicles, but they did it anyway. And the same shop may have billed for brake work that was not actually performed, although this is in dispute. The rear brake lines weren’t merely pinched to reduce the hydraulic flow, one of them was clamped off with a pair of vise grip pliers, and the brake caliper was seized, indicating that it hadn’t been used in months.
@monophoto1
22 сағат бұрын
And wait - there's more! As others pointed out, this was a last-minute booking intended to provide safe transportation for a group of young people (many whom were related to each other) to a brewery for a birthday celebration. The driver had not anticipated working that day, but needed the work and couldn't refuse when he was called in that morning even though his wife later said that he told her he was not comfortable driving after partying the night before. The underwriters who insured the limo company declared bankruptcy, and ceased operations after the event. There were allegations that the posted speed limit for the stretch of road were excessive considering the elevation changes and curves, and therefore the New York State Department of Transportation should share some of the blame for the accident. The ultimate owner of the limo company (who fled to Pakistan and has never returned) is alleged to have been an confidential informer for the FBI who may have interfered in the investigation to protect their source. The young and inexperienced local prosecutor responsible for the investigation insisted on impounding the wrecked limo and wouldn't allow the NTSB to get access to it for several weeks after the incident. That prosecutor initially agreed to a plea deal that would have allowed the business operator to avoid a custodial sentence, but then the judge who approved that deal retired, and the judge who replaced him rejected the deal and forced the matter to go to trial. The limo company owner's son (who was the defacto operator of the business at the time of the incident) has appealed his conviction but the appeal court has not yet announced its decision. However, a few days before the appeal was to be heard, the owner contacted several local news outlets by phone from Pakistan to tell them that his son had been diagnosed with advanced lung cancer - angling for sympathy, perhaps. And the limo company had been operating out of a decrepit old motel, and several weeks after this accident, there was an additional incident in which a dead body was found in one of the guest rooms in the motel.
@seanhartnett79
21 сағат бұрын
This is insane.
@EyeofHorus33
10 сағат бұрын
Wow! That is crazy! Imho that's murder. Clamping brake lines! Like wtaf!!!
@quigglebert
Күн бұрын
The fact the guys operating the company got away so fucking lightly it disgusts me
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
Sadly true
@chrismay2298
Күн бұрын
First time here?
@mountaineergirl255
Күн бұрын
They always do. No accountability.
@ax23mgh8
Күн бұрын
@@mountaineergirl255 fr, accountability is only for us, peasants
@skeetrix5577
Күн бұрын
well of course the one dude fled back to his camel lol they were from the hellhole that is the middle east-thats why I don't ever do business with these kind of people because it's in their culture to rip people off
@aegisofhonor
Күн бұрын
this was HUGE news when it happened with a massive uproar about the shady limo business as a whole. There's a lot of under-the-table limo companies that operate outside the laws and regulations and this was inevitable with the lack of real oversight and greed in the industry. And it sucks the confidence out of truly legitimate Limousine companies who operate fully licensed and maintained Limos.
@truthseeker2321
Күн бұрын
They operate outside of the laws and regulations because the government lets them do it.
@tncorgi92
Күн бұрын
My brother in law was with the Florida Highway Patrol, he knew of several troopers who purchased used limos and drove as a side job. The money was very good but they didn't drive for any limo company and the upkeep on the vehicles was sketchy. Florida used to require annual vehicle inspections but stopped doing them.
@sawanpatwari6312
Күн бұрын
Has US really moved from Community Working Model to Public-Private partnership format? I doubt.
@samsonsoturian6013
Күн бұрын
Luxury goods draw in many greedy people on both sides of the trade
@seanhartnett79
21 сағат бұрын
@@samsonsoturian6013true.
@koffeekage
Күн бұрын
The father fled the country to let his son take the fall. Disgusting.
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
Very rubbish
@jeeper390
Күн бұрын
I worked for several years as a mobile electronics installer and have worked on many limos. They were all massive fire hazards and many were in need of major servicing. Think dozens of "I know a guy" type repairs stacked on top of each other for years. I had an Escalade super strech on 22s with no power steering, but as long as the 15s in the back were bumping and the disco lights worked he didn't care
@MalenkyGoblin
9 сағат бұрын
One thing that was not mentioned here were the passengers in the limousine were a husband and wife celebrating the wife's birthday with all three of the wife's sisters, two of their husbands, and the husband's brother along with a few more pairs of couples. They had originally rented a party bus to go to a craft beer brewery so they would not be driving drunk, but the party bus had broken down, so the Prestige Limo was a last minute replacement. The parents of the four sisters recalled in a news interview having to suddenly plan four funerals, sell three houses and seven cars, deal with their daughters' student loans, and having to care for their now orphaned grandchildren.
@bothewolf3466
Күн бұрын
If Adam Air ran a limo service, it would be THIS "IDGAF" about maintenance company.
@Tyrian3k
Күн бұрын
The license of the driver is the least concern, if you ask me. He was allowed to drive vehicles of that size, just not transport passengers as "cargo". Not upgrading and servicing the brakes, however, is extremely negligent.
@1GirlieGirl
Күн бұрын
I agree. He was endorsed to drive doubles and triples, the P endorsement is the least of the problem.
@ressljs
21 сағат бұрын
This case, and a bus crash at the school I taught at (serious injuries, but thankfully no deaths) had me kind of scratching my head at how much people talked about certain aspects. In this limo case, while the driver did have some issues himself, really, none of that contributed to the crash. This disaster seems obviously 100% a case of failed brakes due to lack of maintenance. With the bus crash at my school, it was the opposite. There was a lot made in the local news about the bus company forging maintenance records, which is bad of course. That said, the brakes didn't fail or have anything to do with the crash. The driver fell asleep and let the bus go off the road at full speed and flip over.
@jayfalcon-rw3qc
18 сағат бұрын
Agreed. If I got hired for a job that a company told me I'm qualified for, I'm not likely to question it. No one researches the law for what is most likely a minimum wage position. In cases like this, the company is still the one largely at fault
@MarkStockman-b4j
16 сағат бұрын
Truck drivers are required by law to do pre-trip inspections of their vehicles. If he'd done that, he'd have known not to drive it. But he probably would have done it anyway, because who wants to get fired?
@Mobscene_CDN
16 сағат бұрын
Here in Canada you require a "Class 4" license, which is just basically a Class 5 or GDL with an extra Exam and Medical Test. Allows you to transport passengers up to a limit. Basically says you're fit to operate. Whenever you take a vehicle whether it's yours, a friends or a companies, you're responsible for making sure it's roadworthy. Especially if you've got the lives of others in your hands. It sounds like the driver thought something may be wrong, because he pulled over prior to the accident, maybe the brakes were feeling poor. Yet he continued on anyways and got many others killed.
@cytoid7062
Күн бұрын
I remember hearing about this, every few years I hear about it again. What's funny is I rode in a modified limousine when back in high school, thankfully it was just that once.
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
Very lucky!
@heliogabagool7847
Күн бұрын
The owner of the company was an FBI informant, so any complaints prior to this were swept under the rug.
@tennisontower8003
23 сағат бұрын
There is even more to the story that you missed. The limo should have been registered as a commercial vehicle, as it had more than 14 seats, 18 total. When prestige purchased the limo, they registered it with only 14 seats as a regular "van". This allowed them to get away with simpler inspections. The regular inspection process in NY is fairly simple, with the entire inspection being done in a shop, mostly focused on visual inspection for things like rust, leaks, and tires/brakes. If the limo was properly registered, it would have been required to go through a commercial vehicle inspection, which is a much more intensive and thorough process including actual stopping distance tests that the limo would almost certainly have failed. This also meant they could put the unqualified driver in the vehicle, as it was registered as something he was qualified for. They continued to load it with more than 14 people though, because they knew its capacity was 18. The fact they registered it wrong on purpose to escape restrictions shows that this was not an accident at all, but premeditated.
@corymorrison4488
Күн бұрын
Business owners in the US will make a million dollars on a piece of equipment and still refuse to spend $600 on brakes. Ive personally seen multiple $150,000+ trucks catastrophically fail because of lack of maintenance.
@reginal.898
Күн бұрын
Horrifying, absolutely terrible. I am grateful to be in a country where stretch limos are way more regulated. Have a great weekend, John and everyone!
@jakobrebeki
Күн бұрын
This was a bad one. As bad as that Coach crash years back on the M4 and that was rough. Thanks for posting John....
@MarkStockman-b4j
16 сағат бұрын
Had a bus crash in NY sometime after that that was horrible even though only (I think) four people killed. Double decker bus. Driver took a wrong turn. Drove under a low bridge. Everybody on the top deck was killed. Shady fly-by-night Chinese bus company- if I remember correctly, as soon as the news hit everybody having anything to do with the company was ghost.
@DJ-bh1ju
Күн бұрын
Upstate NY here... Yeah... this one was huge news for months.....
@phils4634
18 сағат бұрын
"Our long term friends of this channel, the NTSB" - that's awesome, Mate! 😀
@WendyDarling1974
Күн бұрын
I’m 50 years old and only just now learned that limos aren’t actually manufactured as limos, but are created by Frankensteining other cars. I knew you could do that, but I thought it was just a DIY thing novelty project. Meanwhile, I live a couple blocks away from a large funeral home that has about 30 hearses. Are hearses actually made or do they take a vehicle and then modify it to be a hearse?
@AlexanderBurgers
Күн бұрын
hearses are generally also modified cars, they're modified by coachbuilding companies, some with factory support/cooperation, some independently.
@StrongDreamsWaitHere
Күн бұрын
@@WendyDarling1974 Ford actually used to publish guidelines on how to turn some of their vehicles into limousines (length and weight limits, etc), and they used to certify vehicle modification shops that would perform the work. I don’t think Ford publishes stretch guidelines anymore because of the liability. And in any case, this vehicle far exceeded the allowable guidelines and the work was not performed by a certified shop.
@samarnadra
Күн бұрын
I am only 10 years ahead of you in learning this. How was this kept a secret for so long?
@JonBrase
Күн бұрын
Fortunately, passenger safety in a hearse is not a huge concern. 😂 (TBH, I don't know if hearses normally carry passengers apart from the deceased or not, but it's a good throwaway joke...)
@CainXVII
Күн бұрын
I had no idea either. I have seen like four limos in my lifetime. I can imagine it's hard to get them certified as driveable in Sweden if this is how they are made
@pootispiker2866
Күн бұрын
This is why you should familiarize yourself with downshifting for a long hill.
@billmedvec5514
Күн бұрын
No doubt that truck had an automatic transmission.
@jeffclark5268
Күн бұрын
This is why there needs to be laws and regulations preventing shade tree mechanics from making major modifications to a vehicle without engineering reviews. Because common sense often leaves out important, and typically expensive, items like brakes in favour of coooooooool.
@michaelmoorrees3585
Күн бұрын
@@jeffclark5268 - This operation was already operating with expired certifications and licenses, so any new law would also have been ignored.
@uralicdneprov1806
Күн бұрын
Common automatic transmissions are incapable of engine braking due to absence of clutch. That combined with undersized brakes makes it terrifying in a 6 ton vehicle.
@Snarf_Le_Wombat
Күн бұрын
@@uralicdneprov1806 that's why you use the gear braking effect of downshifting the automatic
@Sniperboy5551
Күн бұрын
This was a terrible tragedy, I remember being a school kid and seeing this every day on the local news before going to school.
@davidjb3671
Күн бұрын
This brought back some memories. 28 years ago I was working on the design and crash simulation of Cadillac stretch limos, as surprisingly these were built by Cadillac itself and designed to meet the relevant crashworthines standards. However the ones we worked were only maybe 10ft longer than standard and aimed at business customers. Nothing like this monster.
@Phiyedough
Күн бұрын
In UK some of the bridges are very old and are called hump back bridges. I'm pretty sure the centre of this thing would have bottomed out on such a bridge.
@terenceokane
Күн бұрын
This was kinda close-to-home for me, as I'm from Central / "Upstate" New York. Absolute tragedy. So many loved ones and family members in one place. Idk if other disasters are "easier" or "harder" for families to bear seeing how a big industrial disaster killing workers affects more families but less people in each family, where this one wiped out entire sections of families. I'm glad this tragedy, this PREVENTABLE tragedy, is not being forgotten.
@LRM12o8
8 сағат бұрын
The fact that you can add so much weight to a vehicle without having to upgrade the brakes and do a real inspection, all while compromising the structural integrity of the frame so haphazardly is insane! I never planned to ride in a limousine, but now I'm gonna think really hard if I'm going when a friend invites me, even if the route just leads through urban traffic.
@notorioustori
Күн бұрын
Here for my weekly dose of Plainly Difficult!
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
Thank you
@moosemaimer
Күн бұрын
Unfortunately, the embiggening is not always perfectly cromulent.
@curbyourshi1056
Күн бұрын
It's often not cromleant either.
@skaldlouiscyphre2453
Күн бұрын
A noble spirit embiggens even the smallest vehicle.
@swedishchef3895
6 сағат бұрын
I must say you have a silver tounge,
@BennettsShed
6 сағат бұрын
It seems an embiggening can become an embuggerance.
@MightyMezzo
15 сағат бұрын
The limo driver managing to avoid the car at the “T” intersection suggests that he may not have been very impaired by his meds.
@chesspiece81
Күн бұрын
Limousines and the Duck Boats are the most dangerous and unsafe things on the road.
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
I agree
@robertnichols2283
Күн бұрын
Duck boats are unsafe in the water too There was an disaster in Missouri a few years ago IIRC
@eaglescout1984
Күн бұрын
Duck Boats, man. Anyone who is a regular viewer of Brick Immortar's channel will never step foot on one of those death traps.
@chesspiece81
Күн бұрын
@@eaglescout1984 I love Brick Immortar
@mikaross4671
Күн бұрын
@@eaglescout1984 Yesss! Brick Immortar is what introduced me to the dangers of duck boats. I just got back from Boston and wanted to go on one, but my wife said no, we didnt have train if we wanted to make dinner. She might have saved us both if something happened.
@jonathandevries2828
Күн бұрын
I think the braking system should count as a complex system...BINGO!!!
@ocscmike
Күн бұрын
Love your videos! Small correction this was a Ford Excursion not a Ford Explorer. The Excursion is a much larger vehicle. ❤
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
My bad
@SPierre-dm4wo
Күн бұрын
Thanks, John. This was such a horrific incident from start to finish. For anyone who wants a more in-depth look and isn't averse to some dark humour, Well There's Your Problem's episode on it was really eye-opening, especially the bit about how conversion limos are made.
@Compgeek86
7 сағат бұрын
Even with an automatic transmission you can downshift to slow down. It's especially useful on long slopes because the engine drag slows the vehicle down without overheating the brakes.
@tfrowlett8752
Күн бұрын
This reminds me of the Hunter Valley bus crash recently that killed 10 wedding guests, the driver was just sentenced to 32 years in prison for manslaughter.
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
I’ve never heard of that
@mitchellmanson449
Күн бұрын
I am a fleet mechanic for a limousine company, I have seen some shit man... our 44ft stretch hummer I had to completely re-engineer. from support structures, to power distribution, to the ac system. it was falling apart after only 8 years on this earth. insane...
@user-xp2sd6qk8u
Күн бұрын
Congrats on 1M subs I love your work and voice
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
Thank you!!
@aprilmorris4588
22 сағат бұрын
You know, John, I just heard a different channel talking about this and i think you did a little bit better job. I still love that other channel, so I'm not going to shame them online. I just wanted you to know that the info about his CDL endorsements is really important. My husband is a truck driver who has the same endorsements that in no way give him the authority to even drive a schools bus. 🚌 That driver *knew* he was breaking the law. Great job as always, John. I send you this from a lovely 😍 day in Oregon on the West Coast of the US. See you next week.
@Onora619
Күн бұрын
Man, I remember this being on the news. So sad.
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
Very sad
@pulaski1
Күн бұрын
It might sound bad that the brakes weren't upgraded, but the Ford Excursion is basically an F250 (not an F150) which is capable of towing a significant weight, so the upgraded limo, although much heavier than a stock Excursion, remained within the "train weight" capability of a stock Excursion/ F250.
@billmedvec5514
Күн бұрын
I agree.
@AlexanderBurgers
Күн бұрын
All well and good for acceleration, but they didn't add any trailer brakes to cope with that extra load now did they? And they let it rust and go unmaintained to a degree that'd fail safety inspection, and purposefully dodged certification requirements that'd have enforced safety inspection. (Also super weird that there's no safety inspection for passenger cars like there is in the rest of the civilized world, but the US has a lot of that kind of "freedom" to endanger others going on.)
@StrongDreamsWaitHere
Күн бұрын
The brakes would have been sufficient (barely) if they were in good repair, but they weren’t. One of the brake lines was clamped off with a vise-grip pliers, the rear brakes basically didn’t function at all, and the shop they used may have billed them for work not actually performed (this is disputed).
@pulaski1
Күн бұрын
@AlexanderBurgers Most US states require an annual inspection equivalent to am MOT (BTW I am British, so not an apologist for areas in the US where corners are cut).
@StrongDreamsWaitHere
Күн бұрын
@@pulaski1 That is true in New York State as well. However, this particular vehicle was so large that a repair shop required a special certification from the state to perform inspections. The shop the owners used did not have the certification and should not have performed the inspection, but they did anyway. Also, limousines this large are supposed to be inspected by the department of transportation (DOT) every six months, instead of by a repair shop once a year. The owners had changed the registration to show fewer passengers so that they could escape this regulation, and the state had no way of tracking the change in registration and identifying the discrepancy.
@AdventureswDucky
Күн бұрын
I live only a few minutes from the accident site. The memorial is still well maintained and visited often
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
That’s good it’s still remembered
@Serenity_Dee
Күн бұрын
Tip: in the US, we don't say "the NY 30", we'd just call it "30." Like, there's a numbered state route that's actually designated as two state routes running through part of my city, and we just call it 15-501, "fifteen five-oh-one." (They split off into separate routes outside of this stretch of road.) We might add "route" sometimes; back in my home state of CT, it was almost always "route 15" and only rarely just "15", and Route 1, the Post Road, is always referred to by one of those names (for clarification, it's US Route 1, not a state route, and it runs along the eastern coast of the US from Key West all the way to the Canadian border in northern Maine). If we're referring to an interstate highway, we might refer to it just by number, or as I-[number], e.g. I-95, the limited access highway that runs roughly parallel to US 1. The exception is in California, where for some reason they do all the same things except that they stick the definite article on them: the 5, the 410, etc.
@samarnadra
Күн бұрын
Out west (non-California) We will mention the state if we are specifying the state, then it is "New York state route 30" and usually just "30" or "route 30" or "state route 30" after that. In my area many parts of state routes are named and they get called by their primary name a lot, which gets confusing because the name isn't consistent. We pretty much always say "Oracle Rd" for the part that is Oracle/Main/Grenada (like "take Oracle to downtown" though I think Grenada isn't 77, a perpendicular street is) but going out of town you hear "Take Oracle Rd/Rte. 77 north to get to the Ren Fest" We call it "Route 77" when discussing it outside of town like Rte. 66. But I agree "N.Y. 30" is how exactly no one says it. Since this is to a presumed out of state audience for the most part, saying "New York state route" the first time makes sense, but just "route 30" or "30" after that makes sense. It is always curious how people from other places will read things we don't even think about. Oh and here interstates always have an I, so I-10, I-19, I-8, I-40, etc. Then they hit California and become "the 10" and such (I-19 is safe, it goes to Mexico instead).
@NotMykl
Күн бұрын
If you LIVE in the state you will leave off the state road designation. There is nothing wrong with John saying "New York hiway 30" and ect. There is also nothing wrong with saying "Interstate 90" as opposed to "I-90".
@mbvoelker8448
7 сағат бұрын
I was going to make the comment but you explained the situation so well that I needn't.
@senorpepper3405
4 сағат бұрын
And if you're english and telling the world about it you call it ny 30.😂 do you think local people in missouri call Mo-15 by that name or just hwy 15, or even just 15?😂
@Natediggetydog
18 сағат бұрын
To anyone who doesn’t know; you can engine brake an automatic transmission vehicle by shifting into one of the manual low range gears(the 1, 2, and 3 on the shift indicator). It may damage your engine or transmission at high speeds but that’s preferable to losing control and hitting something at 100+ mph.
@explodingorange2385
Күн бұрын
The European mind can’t comprehend a heavy duty truck with a 6.0L/7.3L turbo diesel engine being converted into a passenger SUV by the maniacs at Ford and then this abomination being stretched out to 30’ long. After watching the video it’s probably a good thing you can’t
@support2587
Күн бұрын
To be fair the 7.3L are used to tow heavy weights, even as SUVs. The 6.0 are used as expensive heavy paper weights, thanks Ford.
@yottaforce
Күн бұрын
As a Dane I find it very hard to understand such a car have a license plate. Here, you can't have a license plate unless the vehicle has passed inspection every two years.
@ordinaryk
Күн бұрын
@@yottaforce Thanks to the Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution, the individual states have LOTS of wiggle room regarding vehicle safety, and only 15 of the 50 states require regular safety inspections. In my home state, safety inspections aren't required unless the vehicle is more than 10 years old or has more than 150,000 miles on the odometer. Also, cars over 25 years old are eligible for "historic vehicle" plates, exempting them from inspection entirely.
@DrewLSsix
Күн бұрын
. I'm a mechanic in the American midwest, the lack of inspections here has led to some spectacular customer vehicles. Several cases of strut towers so rotten the suspension just wiggles around inside the trunk, one time a FWD cadillac from the 80s left it's entire rear suspension hanging by the brake lines and cables as the mounting points were gone. Customer just had is lower the car back into the assembly and drove away. I've had to put my foot down and force my mother to park 2 different vehicles, one a Nissan truck, I came over to fix a fuel leak and when I grabbed the frame to pull myself under, my fingers went through both sided of the boxed frame, the other was a pontiac Bonneville that was completely covered under the hood and around the front suspension and subframe with a 4-5mm layer of sludge, that hid the rear 4 mounting points having disappeared years ago. That's why the car seemed to wander so badly.
@mitchellmanson449
Күн бұрын
and yet our 44 foot hummer has a bone stock 5.3 vortec and 4l60 tranmission (on its 5th one actually )
@Switcharoo12
Күн бұрын
I drove taxi, about 10 years back, in my home town work no passenger endorsement or anything. All I had was my class C, and I drove a van with up to 8 people sometimes. Never questioned, never even mentioned needing limo endorsement. Hell, I even drove Loren Michaels from the local private airport to his summer home 90 minutes away.
@danielcomeau9880
Күн бұрын
I own a Suburban that seats 8 passengers. You don't need more than a class C license in the state of Maine.
@davidconner-shover51
Күн бұрын
13 passengers is the limit for non CDL applications
@smittykins
Күн бұрын
I knew exactly what this was about as soon as I saw the notification.😢
@DJ-bh1ju
Күн бұрын
Yeah... upstate NY here as well. Huge news for months...
@petersonmontez40
4 сағат бұрын
Congrats on hitting 1 million subs! It’s well deserved, thanks for the such good content you make!
@squirrellymcbutterballs3510
Күн бұрын
NY-30 = Route 30. BIL is an NYS Trooper. He was a first responder at that crash. He still can’t unsee what he saw.
@patriciayoung3267
Күн бұрын
I am so sorry for what your husband had to live through. I have heard some truly horrible comments about the scene and how the responders were all offered therapy afterward.
@skaldlouiscyphre2453
Күн бұрын
@@patriciayoung3267 I don't think OP's BiL is also their husband.
@patriciayoung3267
Күн бұрын
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Sorry about that, but the sympathy still stands.
@Terminatorfan1984REAL
Күн бұрын
Next thing you know John might set up a Plainly Difficult Bingo Night
@volvo09
Күн бұрын
Scary.... Hurtling down a hill with no brakes. The driver may have been able to limit the speed by throwing the yransmission in low gear for more engine braking, but it probably wouldn't have saved his life. I've had brake failure twice, thankfully I was driving a manual transmission vehicle and my parking brake also worked... i also wasn't going down a large hill.
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
I can imagine that would be terrifying
@katrina3560
Күн бұрын
That's terrifying; twice! My husband/his vehicle were the break point while stopped at a red light, for a man that lost his brakes on the freeway and took an exit to stop. Everyone was okay, no serious injuries, thankfully. My almost 15 year old is anxious about brakes going on on a vehicle when she gets her drivers license. I won't tell her about someone saying it's happened twice to them😬 lol
@pootispiker2866
Күн бұрын
@@katrina3560That's why you get into a low gear before you need to. If you're already in a low gear by the time you need your service brakes, they'll be ready to slow you. A reasonable tactic is staying in a low gear and just using the accelerator to cancel engine braking
@billmedvec5514
Күн бұрын
@@pootispiker2866 manual transmission cars, and trucks this size are very rare. I can almost gurantee this truck had an automatic transmission. I was looking at the road, its hard to tell there is an incline after crossing under RT.90. Horrible combination.
@uralicdneprov1806
Күн бұрын
Cars and light trucks in USA have automatic transmissions. For the most of the world not familiar with these, it has a hydraulic turbine instead of clutch, that can transfer torque only forward way, it is incapable of engine braking.
@erikkovacs3097
6 сағат бұрын
The state on New York has priorities. It can't go after every limousine death trap when there are so many shopkeepers with improper countertop heights or incorrect "We're Open" sign color.
@ImmortalTreknique
Күн бұрын
For the mighty algorithm gods 🍻
@puellanivis
23 сағат бұрын
So, interestingly, I drove “Limos” in WA state for a time. I use quotes, because I only ever drove Towncars, not any stretch limos, though we did have one. I would say that our cars were safety deficient except even more surprisingly the state cared far more about amenities offered than the safety of the vehicle. The whole limo system is pretty messed up, and you’re far safer taking a registered taxi. Taking a limo is barely better than hiring an Uber.
@fhuber7507
Күн бұрын
Age of the vehicle at time of crash says something about the conversion... They don't go that long unless the conversion was done well. Many have the frame sag and get scrapped in under 5 years.
@scottzehrung4829
Күн бұрын
Especially in NY.
@ProSynyster
Күн бұрын
Not a Ford Explorer but a Ford Excursion
@elwoodcope7152
Күн бұрын
BIG difference
@2IDSGT
Күн бұрын
I see someone else noticed as well.
@Shiestey
Күн бұрын
In his defense he isn’t American so I wouldn’t expect him to be able to know the names off the top of his head lol. For us we see them 5x a week. For him, I doubt he’s ever even seen one in person
@Patco11
Күн бұрын
He corrected in comments.
@stephmaccormick3195
Күн бұрын
oh... ok...
@michaelbuckers
16 сағат бұрын
At crash speeds of 120 mph, crashworthiness of civilian cars turns from real to imaginary. You need a race car chassis with accompanying personnel safety gear to survive that, such as movement-limiting seats, 5-point harness, crash helmets and HANS devices.
@scottl.1568
Күн бұрын
I remember that case... 😢
@ferretyluv
16 сағат бұрын
Me too. Memories flooded back with the picture of the son in the mask. I didn’t look into much of the details so I had no idea it was the son taking the fall and not the actual owner.
@visnichba
3 сағат бұрын
Back around 2002-2003 I drove for an Airport service at the Norfolk Virginia airport. All passenger trips were either from the airport or dispatched and to the airport. No shady taxi drunk passengers. The couple that owned the service were nice as pie when you would talk to them, but it was a race to the bank on payday because there would be insufficient funds for some of our checks. Grrr. They also owned a Greek (?) or Italian restaurant. They were constantly being sued by former employees. The car service eventually folded.The husband eventually did four months in a Federal prison for tax evasion (years after I left).
@325im20
Күн бұрын
I don't want to be nitpicky, but I cannot help myself: The pictures show a stretch Ford Excursion, not a Ford Explorer. - Anyway, great video, as always!
@PlainlyDifficult
Күн бұрын
My bad
@suzannetitkemeyernlq
Күн бұрын
Whelp, not riding in a iimo any time soon! Had no idea they weren't factory OEM. btw I have been subscribing for a long time now, a couple of years, and I just wanted to say you have the most relaxing voice to listen too even when the subject material is as grim as a limo crash.
@kingawsume
Күн бұрын
I feel this could have been mitigated through the driver's application of either the overdrive lockout (the button on the column shift of this generation of Excursions), or by attempting to downshift to use engine braking. Grenading the transmission is a better outcome that dying, I feel.
@kimberlyokeeffe5360
Күн бұрын
The driver probably had no idea about downshifting and grenading the tranny. Heck, most driver's on the road don't even know what the 3-2-1 mean on the PNDL.
@jonathankleinow2073
Күн бұрын
I wonder if the witness report of the engine sounding like a jet indicate he had already put the vehicle in as low a gear as possible. I don't have the NTSB report pulled up, but it might say whether they were able to determine which gear it was in prior to the crash.
@kingawsume
Күн бұрын
@@jonathankleinow2073 Looking at the report, they were unable to determine the gearbox's shift position, but it was unlikely the gearbox controller would have put it in 2nd. It still would have downshifted, but not low enough to provide sufficient engine braking. Still could have disabled the overdrive I feel.
@BlindBatG34
20 сағат бұрын
New York uses a LOT of salt on their roads during the winter. Brake lines are a very common wear item in areas that use a lot of salt.
@GelatinCoffee
Күн бұрын
If my uncle's old tow truck is anything to go off of, nothing bad could Possibly go bad when adding more weight than originally designed for and keeping original brakes It was a rear qheel drive truck 1500 something manual truck, he cut off the original suspension and put on some heavy duty 3500 suspension, and just personally thickened the steering tie rods. He doesn't remember how long it lasted, but one day he was going down the highway with a super heavy load (van packed with shit, ready for the crusher) and all of a sudden. His driveshaft gave up on life, he tried to brake to pull over and not throw a random driveshaft on the highway for someone to run over. Brakes died (rear brakes were fine, but the front ones just clean sheered off) and he just drove off the side and bailed 😂. Truck hit a cliff face and finally gave up on life 🫡, trailer was surprisingly unscathed aside from the plastic battery & electronics holder being forcefully ejected. Uncle just made a sturdy metal housing for it though, and still tows with it today
@pjschmid2251
Күн бұрын
Thank you for another Saturday morning disaster. Always love your videos, and hearing about the weather in your little corner of London.
@DanaX09
Күн бұрын
Having driven a heavy truck down a steep grade myself, I surmise the brakes overheated and thats why it seized. That first stop he made might have been him noticing the hot brakes, but then he continued anyway. Even when the brakes are really good, they will overheat if used too much on a downhill. So it would be unusual for substandard brakes not to do the same and quicker.
@1GirlieGirl
Күн бұрын
I thought the same thing. He pulled over because he felt the brakes failing, but continued on anyway.
@maryeckel9682
Күн бұрын
The brakes weren't even good to begin with
@samholdsworth420
Күн бұрын
Why would he not downshift into first? I don't get it
@catsbyondrepair
23 сағат бұрын
Disc brakes don't over heat or fade
@samholdsworth420
23 сағат бұрын
@@catsbyondrepair yes they do....
@lewisdoherty7621
23 сағат бұрын
As in the railway industry with the use of derailers, the thing that has to be done is to get uncontrolled equipment off the easy rolling surface to avoid a disaster further down the way. The first thing in such a situation is to steer to get the outer wheels into a muddy ditch and get the undercarriage to bottom out while trying to avoid any upcoming culverts. While on a bicycle during winter, I saw a school bus sliding down sideways toward me and steered into some shrubbery. On a downhill stretch of an icy road, I did that and steered down a ditch to slow down.
@billmadison2032
Күн бұрын
That is an extended excursion not an explorer
@silentrage5425
23 сағат бұрын
As an OTR Truck driver I feel the need to chime in here. With a pneumatic braking system, if a brake locks up, you can stop the air going to that brake and open the brake pad manually. While dangerous and illegal, it good enough to get you to a service center. HOWEVER, this trick does NOT work so well with hydraulic braking systems. Especially if the braking system is already over stressed. The only time I can recall using this trick was driving from Kingman AZ to Needles CA on I-40. If you have driven the stretch of road, you will understand why I didn't want to be there for nearly an entire day. If you don't know, it's nearly 100 miles of NOTHING crossing Yucca Flats (or it was in the early 90's).
@BlairAir
Күн бұрын
CORRECTION: Rhe strech Limo was a FORD EXCURSION, Not a FORD EXPLORER. The Ford Excursion is a heavy-duty (Class 2) SUV marketed by Ford Motor Company from 2000 through 2005. At its introduction, the Excursion was the longest and heaviest SUV ever to enter mass production. Not that the CONDITION of the vehicle was safe or correctly modified. It was not. It was incredibly poorly modified and note as NOT ROADWORTHY OR SAFE.
@DrrZed
15 сағат бұрын
As a guy with technical background, I can say that cutting something in half and then connecting them with another part is a *horrible* idea, precisely because of decreased resistance. Now if they'd made a whole solid replacement frame, that'd be great, but I guess when scaled up the square-cube law rears its ugly head.
@seymoarsalvage
Күн бұрын
Well Theres Your Problem podcast has a great in-depth video on this
@adelaflores2027
Күн бұрын
I remember how huge this story was when it happened. All over the news.
@No_name_PB
Күн бұрын
I think you got a typo in the vid title
@MarianneKat
Күн бұрын
In 1997 in Detroit MI USA the Red Wings hockey team won the Stanley Cup. The limo driver carrying around some of the players during a celebration was drunk and pulled out in to traffic. Several players injured, some with permanent brain injuries. Was quite a somber celebration. He still shows up at some games and waves to a crowd cheering for him.
@WalterHildahl
Күн бұрын
A proper wield is the strongest part of a car.
@dadgarage7966
Сағат бұрын
I attended a wedding where there was a Lincoln Town Car stretched limo waiting in front of the church for the bride and groom. The driver left it running to keep the A/C on. However, it idled rough, running rich and puffing black smoke out the tailpipe. We couldn't stand near the limo because of the noxious fumes. Many of these things are under-engineered, poorly-maintained, run-into-the-ground death traps.
@mattleonard1402
Күн бұрын
Even with the death count id say its still only the 2nd worst limo crash in us history.
@ilikecarsandtacos
22 сағат бұрын
Wait, there is a crash worser?
@stevebennett9839
22 сағат бұрын
What was worse?
@joustingking
13 сағат бұрын
I guess we will never know what the worst one is.
@ilikecarsandtacos
10 сағат бұрын
From what i researched, there was a worser accident with 23 something deaths in 2005, but it was a bus Still, RIP to the victims of both Tragedies...
@mattleonard1402
8 сағат бұрын
The crash that took the life of Princess Dianna. I suppose "worst" may be a bit of a subjective description. I was considering the global impact more than the actual crash.
@nwmancuso
19 сағат бұрын
This happened in my area and I knew many of the first responders. This was one of if not the worst MVA accidents we’ve had since the 1987 I-90 bridge collapse.
@twocvbloke
Күн бұрын
Limos are just legalised cut & shuts, doesn't matter how professionally they're built, they're still a compromised vehicle which never fares well in accidents, add to that the poor maintenance and a driver unqualified, it's a recipe for disaster, I've only ever been in funeral limos with the extra row of seats in the middle, I'd never want to get into the more common "show-off" limo though, I wouldn't feel safe at all...
@TheMarkemmy
22 сағат бұрын
Thanks John. Just waiting for the day when you get “Blackout” on your Bingo score card. I’m sure it will be a hell of an episode.
@samholdsworth420
Күн бұрын
You know. If brakes fail you can always select a lower gear!
@bob_the_bomb4508
Күн бұрын
20 casualties? In Cambodia you’d get that from 2 motorbikes crashing…
@MrSmith1984
2 сағат бұрын
The United States should pass law that requires limousine conversions to be done by the manufacturer themselves.
@dannymac6368
Күн бұрын
8,000 pound Explorer? I didn’t think even the Expedition hit that weight, perhaps the most massive Excursion? Edit: should have watched a bit longer and/or checked the comments!
@ThorburnJ
23 сағат бұрын
“Who would get excited by an Opel Omega stretch” The sweet sweet guys behind the Smith and Sniff Podcast and its listeners, for starters. All hail the mighty Eagle Quest.
@tz138
18 сағат бұрын
They stretched an American Motors Pacer, used in the Wanes World movie... The Fish Bowl compact...
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