Thanks for doing a comparison. That’s the question that’s on everyone’s mind
@chrisragone8785
2 жыл бұрын
Both the 92X Performance and the 92X Defensive frames are Carbon Steel finished with Nistan
@mericaeagle9319
2 жыл бұрын
Frames and slides
@chrisragone8785
2 жыл бұрын
@@mericaeagle9319 Yes and?
@marekwalczak2733
Жыл бұрын
@@chrisragone8785 and in the video he says it is not
@edbigtruck
8 ай бұрын
I recently acquired one of these and it’s becoming my Favorite Beretta.
@Steadfast_Collective
8 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it! It’s an awesome platform
@mattg2596
27 күн бұрын
It is also ss frame , have to ball up on info before hand . it has cutouts vs the p92x which lighten it some. If it was aluminum frame it would then be like 35oz then.
@kenstirling5348
2 жыл бұрын
For what these guns cost it should come with the race hammer to begin with and an optics mounting system that isn’t so high. The Langdon elite is what beretta should be making to begin with
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with you. The issue is Langdon cannot perform his style of optics cut on a gun that has a manual safety. He had to redesign many of the components for the decocker model and it just doesn't work or there is not a big enough market for him to do the same with the 92x performance model. You can put one of his RDO slides on a 92x performance, however neither the decocker on his slide or the manual safety will function. Which is against the rules in USPSA under some arbitrary random rule that says you cannot "remove" safeties on guns.
@kenstirling5348
2 жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective yeah I’m saying beretta should have been able to figure that optics mounting system on their own. When they made the 92x performance they should have put optics mounting into the design from the beginning. Honestly I’d like to see them just kind of forget about the 92 series anyway. I love it just as much as the next guy but it is at this point obsolete and not worth making a bunch more iterations
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
@@kenstirling5348 Totally get ya. I feel like they found the easiest way they could put a dot on their existing platform without having to redesign anything.
@morriszachrisson8359
2 жыл бұрын
These two guns are MUCH better than the regular 92FS, but they cannot beat 92FS by design.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
I'm really happy with them. But I only use them for competition
@morriszachrisson8359
2 жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective For competition you can buy CZ Shadow2 or Tanfoglio. And you will see an improvement of your competition results. These Berettas are military. They can be used in competitions but why when there are pistols I mentioned?
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
@@morriszachrisson8359 Not sure what you mean by "these Beretta's are military?" A lot of competition guns are iterations from military weapons. Even the CZ Shadow 2, which comes from the CZ 75 ( a military/law enforcement pistol ). This model was made by Beretta solely with competition in mind. I have multiple CZ Shadow 2's and have owned Tanfo's. I prefer the Beretta, and have shot multiple GM classifiers since I got it. The current USPSA Carry Optics Champion won using this gun. So I'd say its well suited for competition.
@morriszachrisson8359
Жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective Compare the quantity of competition winners with CZ/Tanf. with the quantity of competition winners with Beretta (of ANY kind) and you will see the difference. The most competition winners use CZ and Tanf. Then if you have won a competition with this Beretta, it does not mean so much. Depends also on who you compete against.
@lauragriffin509
Жыл бұрын
Give it some time Beretta will beat cz.
@fayth25567
2 жыл бұрын
Just picked up a m9A4 and did the LTT trigger in a bag and wilson combat short reset trigger and love it so far. I like what you did the the OG performance
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
LTT does some amazing work and sells some top notch products. Good people too!
@nobodysreview6137
2 жыл бұрын
Every gun that comes out theres things you like about it and things you dont. Thats why we have so many i guess.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
100% agree. The competition between companies has been good. It's brought us a lot of good guns in recent years. Someone has won a national/world championship with every one of the big firearm manufacturers. Shoot what you like lol
@ben_shoots_
2 жыл бұрын
The frame is also steel on the defensive. The weight differences, other than the rail, is inside. Take it apart and check out your slide, the mainspring area, and the dust cover. They removed material to make weight. And then grab a magnet and check the frame ;-) Also, Toni System makes dot mounts that are built for a number of optics out there, all the popular patterns.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
I totally noticed the material cut out when I was cleaning it. I bought the Toni Systems one but received Beretta's earlier so I have been using that for now. With the regular performance frame the gun is a little over 50 oz. with an empty mag
@trollzone1
2 жыл бұрын
Wow so sad beretta downgraded the case so much. My 92x performance (og model) came in a really nice case with lock. Extremely fancy. Where was the new model being made?
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I love that case! super handy when flying too. The new model is made in Italy and imported
@czoperator7977
2 жыл бұрын
Should come with 3 mags when Designed for IDPA
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
I would have to agree with you there.
@lauragriffin509
Жыл бұрын
I like the smoothness of a no rail. If i need a flashlight it would be in my other hand like Security Forces US Marine Corps.
@Steadfast_Collective
Жыл бұрын
I know a lot of people who go this route 🙌🏼
@manggonim9864
2 жыл бұрын
I’ll wait till they come up with a threaded barrel. PS The trigger reset is bad. The A1 has the best reset in my opinion.
@K9Swift
2 жыл бұрын
Defensive with no rail doesn't make any sense to me 🤣🤣 glad I got the performance !
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
rail was removed to make weight for IDPA. "Defensive" is just a marketing name. The gun is meant for competition similar to the regular performance model.
@K9Swift
2 жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective yea I get that but that's some bad marketing 🤣 I prefer all my defensive pistols to have a light or at least be able to add one . To identify my target when I'm on the "defense" 😉
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
@@K9Swift BRO I'm totally with you 🤣I dunno who over at Beretta thought the name was a good idea. I took the slide off this one and put it on my railed frame
@NoQuestions4sked
2 жыл бұрын
It's for IDPA, which stands for International Defensive Pistol Association.
@matfriske5548
2 жыл бұрын
You two obviously have no idea that the gun was designed for IDPA. Now, do you know what IDPA stands for?
@camerontemplin4284
2 жыл бұрын
Nice review!
@stuartlemusic
2 жыл бұрын
between the two, which do you like better out of the box?
@manggonim9864
2 жыл бұрын
I’ll wait till they come up with a threaded barrel for thet defensive pistol. PS have they came up with one yet ?
@AGC828
2 жыл бұрын
LOL!! Beretta made a mistake in naming the Performance guns I hink. The standard Perf 92X should be the one with no wepon light rail or RDO cut. Could they not swap the Std Perf model's frame with the Perf Def? So guys like AB won't need to buy both guns? :) And, why is it NO ONE SO FAR has put out a 92G Brig-Tac with a RDO mount? If we want a 92G w/ RDO mount we' have to buy the M9A4. Or forgo the weapon light rail and get the Perf Def. :) Otherwise great 9mm guns out of the box. Nothing NEEDS to be upgraded.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure most people won't mind just shooting the defensive model in USPSA and IDPA as it is. I just happened to have the original and shot JJ's and enjoyed the extra weight so I swapped the slide onto my regular performance. The defensive model was named because of IDPA and in Italy there isn't a market for concealed carry so "defensive" doesn't have the same connotation
@j0hn_lucas
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Great review!😀
@souloutcast
2 жыл бұрын
So stingy of Beretta to sell this with such a crappy case... I believe the MSRP of this one is even higher than that of the 92x Performance. Even the M9A4 has a good case for a MSRP of $999. Makes absolutely no sense at all to not include the high quality case with this!
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was a little bummed about that.. The regular 92x Performance came with a great case! Wish they continued that with this.
@chrisragone8785
2 жыл бұрын
Seriously, who care about a case?
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisragone8785 Not a huge deal.. Kinda nice because the last one you could chuck in your luggage and fly with it
@trollzone1
2 жыл бұрын
My regular 92x I bought a year ago came in one of the nicest gun cases I’ve ever seen for free (ex collectibles and museum pieces). Wonder why they stopped maybe it’s just on this model (USA made of exclusive idk???!)
@Sourpusscandy
2 жыл бұрын
Is that safety a decocker too? Oh I want one!! Put a dot on it too.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
No its just a manual safety. I mounted a Trijicon SRO to mine : )
@Resident-cb3yz
Жыл бұрын
When can you get this in Finland. Sako does not even answer simple guestion.
@Resident-cb3yz
Жыл бұрын
Even the M9A4 is not still in here. Is it the distributor is crap SAKO or what?
@Steadfast_Collective
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure, unfortunately. Have you tried contacting Beretta directly?
@Resident-cb3yz
Жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective Sadly no answer from there either. My permit to buying a handgun is going old so i will wait only 2 more weeks and buy some other gun. Tons of Shadow 2 available with optics rdy format.
@Steadfast_Collective
Жыл бұрын
@@Resident-cb3yz That's unfortunate.. There may just be an import issue they simply don't want to deal with. I can try reaching out to someone but I am not sure if they will have an answer either.
@thomaspuma434
2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@johnfrizzell
2 жыл бұрын
Another great review! So based on your title did you think the Beretta 92x Performance Defensive is better than the Shadow 2! Thank you for the great video.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
I think it really depends on what the shooter likes. I think the reset and trigger is better on the Beretta when you get it tuned right. It’s a little more difficult to work on and there are not as many after market parts as of now. Also the down side is you have to buy two guns and swap slides in order to get it to the same weight as a CZS2. I just shoot the Beretta platform very well.
@davidrogers7895
2 жыл бұрын
Have checked if the firearm will fit in an IDPA measurement box? The specifications on Beretta's web site has the overall width at 1.8 inches which is over the legal width in IDPA.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
I have not personally. I only shoot USPSA. JJ Racaza used the same model to win his IDPA championship. Not sure what division he was in
@tomk9237
Жыл бұрын
WTF the defensive model has no way to mount a light but the competition model does.
@Steadfast_Collective
Жыл бұрын
The defensive model is a competition gun. The "defensive" model wording is in relation to the "D" in IDPA competition (International Defensive Pistol Association). IDPA has weight restrictions so in order to make weight they had to remove the rail
@eddi342
2 жыл бұрын
Nice gun! For me I would rather had rail for light then optic cut I have 92x standard and like thinner grip.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
Totally understand. I am running the optic cut slide on the frame with the rail for the added weight mostly!
@joeyassyrian
2 жыл бұрын
that would be my ideal configuration too, don't feel like buying 2 guns only to use one..
@czoperator7977
2 жыл бұрын
No use for rail in IDPA
@afwaller
2 жыл бұрын
You can’t use a light in IDPA, the rail is pointless. Some people do a hand forward grip and prefer it smooth, but the main reason is they needed to lighten it for IDPA so they went with the smooth dust cover. The regular 92x performance is too heavy for IDPA. This gun was built for IDPA, that’s why its called performance defensive (PD, a wink and nod to IDPA) and comes with the IDPA target in the box.
@joeyassyrian
2 жыл бұрын
@@afwaller Okay but i think most of us want it for USPSA, IDPA is pretty lame in the U.S. almost no one does it.
@jamesmanning8795
2 жыл бұрын
any news yet on when you will be able to get a optic plate for it through Beretta? Thanks for the video. I'm trying to decide between a 92x RDO and a LTT RDO.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
So I called and spoke to a Beretta rep yesterday. They simply told me they do not have the optics plates in yet and that they did not have any more information at this time (not happy about this!) . Both are great options I would say it depends on what you are using it for. I went with the factory RDO version because I wanted to shoot the 92x performance in competition. You can put a LTT cute slide on the 92x performance however both the "decocker" and the frame mounted safety will not function. Which makes it illegal for competition.
@jamesmanning8795
2 жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective I run a shadow 2 for USPSA. So I want a good DASA gun that's optic ready. I'm even considering buying a CZ p01 and sending it to Cajun to get milled.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesmanning8795 Shadow 2 is a great gun. I have a cajunized S2. I will say however the trigger ( when tuned correctly ) is a lot nicer on the Beretta. Cz just released their new CZ P10F competition ready gun. It is already milled for an optic from the factory. I checked one out at the CZ booth at nationals. Pretty sweet gun. cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-10-f-competition-ready/
@foadaltouri2004
Жыл бұрын
Cz is the best
@Spanish_Archer
2 жыл бұрын
You got both of them wrong! 92x performance is not stainless steel, but rutter carbon steel, which been coated. The Beretta 92x performance defensive is made out of carbon steel as well, no aluminum alloy!
@wcaypahwat
2 жыл бұрын
You mention all the aftermarket upgrades to adjust the trigger - don't these come with screws for tuning it?
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
There is only one screw for the production models that will help with over travel. The second screw that deals with pull length is going to be on the single action-only models
@haroldkreye8770
2 жыл бұрын
Does the metal removed from the interior of the frame compromise the strength of the frame? Thanks for an informative video.
@Steadfast_Collective
Жыл бұрын
Sorry for the late response, but I can give you a more accurate response since I've been using it for the last 5 months. I have put 20,000 rounds through it and no issues
@carlkleynhans3864
2 жыл бұрын
Mine say 1 of 300 on the IDPA card any one know anything about this ?
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, so initially these were released in Italy a while back and they only made 300 of them. You might have one from the first batch.
@Matt-xy6cf
10 ай бұрын
Is it illegal to show how many pounds it takes for da break point and single action break point, i do not see a video showing how many pounds of break force on this gun. Id like to hope its no more than 3.5lb for SA and 8lb for DA stock .
@czoperator7977
2 жыл бұрын
ESP Division because of safety
@jeffoakes7971
2 жыл бұрын
Wrong, you can shoot hammer down like a CZ in SSP.
@desmondhumebrotha3522
Жыл бұрын
I’m assuming the lighter weight of the defensive results in the sights returning to target quicker than the 92x performance. Is that the case and are there any significant differences when shooting?
@Steadfast_Collective
Жыл бұрын
So I thought that would be the case too. But with the right recoil spring, I don't notice a difference in how the sights track. The heavier slide on the new Carry Optics model reduces the felt recoil however
@desmondhumebrotha3522
Жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective awesome, which recoil spring do you use?
@Steadfast_Collective
Жыл бұрын
@@desmondhumebrotha3522 still experimenting but so far 11.5 lbs to 12.5 have worked well for me
@clairissathecollegecounsel1013
2 жыл бұрын
Wow didn’t this just release?? Is there a pretty big difference in weight?
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
yep got lucky! Not a huge amount. The 92x performance defensive has some material cut from the frame and a bit from the slide. It also has a plastic guide rod as opposed to steel for the regular 92x performance
@mericaeagle9319
2 жыл бұрын
So is it the trigger bar that cleans up the reset? Also the hammers look identical on the 2 guns shown, are they the same part?
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
Yes the trigger bar makes the reset much shorter. The hammer looks exactly the same once it is in the gun. But you will notice a difference at the base of the competition hammer compared to the stock one. The replacement hammer shortens the amount of travel to the "wall" in single action if that makes sense.
@mericaeagle9319
2 жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective ok, thanks for the explination, does the firing pin saftey still work with the new hammer even though it removes take up from the trigger pull? Sorry for all the questions I just purchased a 92X defensive and want to know whats what before I go swapping things.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/yo-KrZaqkZypjaQ this video shows a better comparison of the match hammer and the stock one ( it's in Italian, use subtitles ) this is the video I watched before purchasing it
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
@@mericaeagle9319 Not a problem at all! From my understanding it does not change the firing pin safety. The main upgrades I would do in order: trigger bar, hammer spring, competition hammer. Are you using it for competition?
@mericaeagle9319
2 жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective Ok, thank you, and yeah, this is gonna be my IDPA/ USPSA pistol but its gonna do bedside duty as well so I want to keep ignition reliable, I assume a 13# spring would be good?
@KenGetRight
2 жыл бұрын
Nice beretta! Did it come with a plastic or steel recoil spring rod? 🔥🔥
@NickHaus683
2 жыл бұрын
plastic
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah this one comes with plastic. The regular 92x performance is steel. Im assuming it is because of weight saving for IDPA
@ploxplox1109
10 ай бұрын
waiting for FFL to call me for my 92X Performance wait man i thought it come with the plates for the optic. so wait you cant compete in idpa with heavier one
@Steadfast_Collective
10 ай бұрын
There is the performance carry optics version and the performance defensive. Two different platforms. Defensive works for IDPA the standard performance does not
@ploxplox1109
10 ай бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective oh dam so you can’t use 92x performance carry optic verison one for IDPA why not ?
@Steadfast_Collective
10 ай бұрын
@@ploxplox1109 it’s too heavy. The weight limit for Carry Optics in IDPA is 45 oz with an empty magazine. The 92x performance Carry Optics is legal for USPSA/IPSC divisions
@ploxplox1109
10 ай бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective oh ok cool at least I get to do those other competitions
@Steadfast_Collective
10 ай бұрын
@@ploxplox1109 you’re going to love it! Congrats on the purchase. Make sure to register it for warranty and I’d appreciate it if you click my name when you do 🙏
@LadyGodiva-hi3ym
2 жыл бұрын
Why they don’t make this with a rail is beyond me. Rail does not have an optic cut.🤦♂️
@jeffoakes7971
2 жыл бұрын
A LITTLE lighter ? Try 3/4 of a pound.
@jamalnetflix2198
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if beretta sells just the defensive slide. I want one for my performance but don’t wanna spend $1500 and just have a blank 92x “deformance”? laying around lol
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
No they don't. Trust me my friend I have tried : ( Beretta has a weird deal where they serialize the barrel and the slide. So that may have something to do with it...
@drummachinejoe1451
2 жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective is the defensive slide heavier b/c it’s a brigadier slide? Or is the plain defensive slide lighter just to balance out the heavier steel frame?
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
@@drummachinejoe1451 so the 92x performance defensive ( model in video ) is not the brigadier slide. The standard 92x performance does have a brigadier slide. 92x defensive also has material cut out on the inside of the slide. It is lightened to meet weight restrictions for IDPA. I put the 92x performance defensive slide on my regular 92x performance frame. Because it has a rail and is heavier. I shoot USPSA so their is not a weight restriction. It comes in at 54 0z with an empty magazine. Essentially you have to purchase two guns swap slides in order to do this. I hope that made sense.
@drummachinejoe1451
2 жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective ahh ok. Got it. So the performance defensive is lighter than the std. performance w/ brigadier slide. I understand why you’d want the optics ready (perf. def.) slide for competition, but was confused because I thought it was still heavier than the std. but it’s not. Thanks!
@bogdanalexandru261
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, do you know what is the standard hammer spring weight on these guns (14#, 16#, etc)? And with what spring did you replace it (11#, 12#, 13#, etc)? Also, are you talking about the Match hammer from the Beretta e-store? Thanks
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
I'm actually not sure which hammer spring it comes with stock. But I can tell you it is still pretty heavy from the factory in double action. For a replacement spring I used a 13# which I got from Langdon Tactical. The match hammer I am talking about is the one from the Beretta e-store. It made a huge difference.
@chrisragone8785
2 жыл бұрын
Yes that’s the Match Hammer as sold by Beretta and Langdon Tactical
@keyhole9601
2 жыл бұрын
I guess that the factory X performance trigger spring is 12 Lbs.
@robedwards6926
Жыл бұрын
What pound trigger spring did you put in it? Who else besides ltt makes a trigger bar for it?
@Steadfast_Collective
Жыл бұрын
LTT is the only company I know of that makes an aftermarket one. Are you referring to the hammer spring? I run an 11lb hammer spring
@robedwards6926
Жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective Yes, hammer spring. Any light strikes with the 11 lb spring?
@Steadfast_Collective
Жыл бұрын
@@robedwards6926 no, and I use small rifle and small pistol magnum. Could be my firing pin is a little longer.. I’m not sure, but I only run regular or match grade small pistol primers for matches. I have some friends that’s won’t go below a 12. Honestly I don’t notice a huge difference between an 12 and 11
@robedwards6926
Жыл бұрын
@@Steadfast_Collective Good to know, thanks. It's hard deciding between the Shadow 2 and 92x. Shadow is less money but I feel more drawn towards the 92x.
@Steadfast_Collective
Жыл бұрын
@@robedwards6926 so I have owned both and I ended up switching to the 92x Performance. I’ll narrow it down to a few reasons: The non tilting barrel/with the weight of the gun has a really nice recoil impulse that I don’t see with browning style guns. The trigger on the 92x was a lot more predictable and crips and the reset is amazing. Also keep in mind the new 92x P Carry Optics model comes with two Toni Systems plates. Which are normally $100 each
@bodomite
2 жыл бұрын
Soooo the frame is alloy?
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
I believe so, it feels different than the original 92x performance but it could just be the finish.
@henrihendrix8208
2 жыл бұрын
Can I get a attachment rail for the defensive?
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
Not for the defensive. What I did was put my defensive slide on my original 92x performance frame.
@mikeogden5256
2 жыл бұрын
I think I want one ☝️
@keyhole9601
2 жыл бұрын
Please let me know about the weight of the X Performance hammer spring, 12 Lbs??
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
I believe it is closer to 14 lbs
@JR-jc7oj
2 жыл бұрын
I would go with the p320 AXG pro. Wouldn’t waste the money on this one
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
AXG is a good gun but this is geared more towards competition. I have competition guns from all the big companies and I just prefer the Beretta.
@sliemerileto-380
Жыл бұрын
Wow ganda nyan lodi
@jeremyreinhold3620
2 жыл бұрын
"Defensive" but doesnt have pic rail for a weapon light.
@Steadfast_Collective
2 жыл бұрын
Thats just a named they used...Its meant for competition not carry lol
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