Don't Waste Your Money on Acetylene. You Can Braze Just as Well With Propane. It Is Much Cheaper and Readily Available. You Can Also Refill The Tanks Yourself!
This is actually "Brazing with Propane and Oxygen". Some people do braze with propane alone. Well, propane and air.
@ImNotStalkingYou
8 жыл бұрын
That is impressive! Probably just as fast as acetylene and so much cheaper and more readily available :) This is exactly what I needed, thank you for the entertaining and informative video
@Benny-dv7xm
2 жыл бұрын
You and Scotty Kilmer, "Really Cheap"🤣
@FGuilt
8 жыл бұрын
DAMN dude. You are about the cheapest guy I've ever seen! I DEFINITELY approve. :) GREAT advice to cut down on the cost of acetalyne. The rental deal with acetylene tanks is a total racket. Cheers man. Thanks.
@spacepine
12 жыл бұрын
To answer ?'s about propane being used to cut metal. I worked for several years at a large salvage yard. Propane and liquid oxygen is all we used to prepare scrap. I ran a Victor Harris torch with a number 3 tip and I've cut through a solid steel shaft from an old GE armacher. The shaft was at least 12" in diameter. I've also cut through 5" plate with the same tip. Also, great vid 351wsvo. I just started teaching myself to braze (with propane of course).
@TheDadPenfield
11 жыл бұрын
I like the way you make things work. You seem to know a lot about torches and have several contacts to help you with these projects. But...for most of us making our own cylinders, making and adding adapters, putting tanks in refrigerators, transferring gas between cylinders would be way too dangerous because something is going to go explosively wrong, negating all the cost savings. But seeing how you came up with these projects along with the your ingenuity is still fun to watch.
@deankay4434
3 жыл бұрын
I looks like it is way too hot for just brazing. I don’t know, I have never used propane and getting tanks filled seems real expensive anymore. Either way, if that’s you tip, you can back off both the gas & Ox and concentrate the flame a little smaller & tighter. Who knows, maybe you can save more fuel. I go by the flame period. If using another fuel, I would “Sight” the flame and start low depending on thickness of materials. You can always bump it up, but remember, you can also burn the metal. Cleaning, flux for brazing rod and go for a slight capillary action, when one fits over the other. Automotive master tech since 1978 - Retired (My torch = 1982 / 150 amp MIG = 1984)
@luisbenitez3428
2 жыл бұрын
you're smart not cheap, thanks for the tip I never knew this
@TheLightningStalker
12 жыл бұрын
I've also used oxy/propane and it works great for lots of things including cutting steel. They make special tips for just this purpose. If you try it with acetylene tips it doesn't work as well. One thing it can't do though is weld steel.
@351wsvo
14 жыл бұрын
Very much the same as with acetylene. You can also put the flame on a piece of copper and adjust until it looks like a new penny where the flame is
@TheRabidPosum
13 жыл бұрын
Nice setup! I think a lot more people would use propane if everything didn't have to be custom made.
@730M
13 жыл бұрын
Fyi MC stands for motorcycle it was used for acetylene headlamps . also you should be careful when emptying out acetylene tanks if it comes out to fast appox 15 lbs refer to your gauge red line it can self ignite there is also liquid acetone in side
@Buggy8873
11 жыл бұрын
My Bad, yeah was refering to a plumbers soldering kit. Ok he asked for a small kit, so try Bernzomatic multi-use torch kit. It states you can braze and cut up to 3/4" bolts with disposable tanks and includes hose and regulator and rods for about $60 at Home Depot.
@DystopianEmpire01
9 жыл бұрын
Wow, I didn't know this could be done, Thanks. Now I can afford my hobby until it starts paying.
@IcechickenSr
14 жыл бұрын
I agree while you can braze ok with this setup just fine, but I gather your an HVAC or plumber so your really almost doing a high octane high test version of sweating pipe. Actual high heat brazing on thicker material where ALL metals including filler must be worked into a puddle propane starts to show it's usefulness. I had a very experienced HVAC tech here tell me you don't need that kind of heat for copper pipe so this setup is more than enough. Awsome adaptors too, very versitile. Cheers, IC
@walterbrunswick
11 жыл бұрын
He's asking about a brazing kit. An air-propane mixture does not burn hot enough for silver brazing, only for soft soldering, which is fine for plumbers, but useless for us A/C techs.
@walterbrunswick
12 жыл бұрын
also diamataceous earth, and coke, and acetone...
@351wsvo
12 жыл бұрын
You get a hose and valve and connect the small empty tank to a larger tank ,like a BBQ tank. You put the small tank in a freezer for a couple hours first till it's very cold.Make sure the bigger tank is upside-down. then open the valves and wait till the small tank fills.Careful not too full! Must have proper space for expansion.
@RalphDratman
9 жыл бұрын
I don't see any reason why those homebrew tanks would be necessary. You can hook up an ordinary propane barbecue tank to a propane regulator that you buy from a welding supply store. Then you just need a propane tip, also easy to find if you are using a recently-made handle (and even for some older handles).
@VictorNolochemical
6 жыл бұрын
Ralph Dratman Think he said " Cheap " like 10 times 😂 When it comes to gas cheap can get people hurt there is much worse on KZitem.
@obfuscated3090
6 жыл бұрын
They aren't and this video is an example of excellent enthusiasm and very little homework. Damn nice custom LP tank though but not DOT rated, not that it matters in this case. Oxy-LP cutting and brazing is quite common and not unusual at all. The soft parts of quality acetylene regulators (Smith, Harris, Victor, ESAB, etc) are compatible with LP and may be used with it. If in doubt contact your own regulator makers tech support. Non-crap acetylene regulators with CGA-510 inlet fittings have internal soft parts compatible with LP. (Victor, Smith, Harris etc) and you can verify with your regulator maker if theirs is compatible. This example adapter will connect disposable cylinders to CGA-510 (uses the INSIDE threads, not the outside LP QD threads of the adapter) regulators. www.amazon.com/DozyAnt-Propane-Converter-Universal-Disposable/dp/B01I35OR8Y/ref=sr_1_19?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1520480228&sr=1-19&keywords=disposable+lp+cylinder+adapter I assembled mine with separate parts and a 90-degree coupling so my regulator remains horizontal but regs function the same in any position. Cutting with disposable LP cylinders is common. You can see some example setups on weldingweb (I'm not affiliated but I do have over 4K posts there.)
@rmark1083
6 жыл бұрын
@@VictorNolochemical said "THINK HE SAID CHEAP LIKE 10 TIMES. (first grade emoji)" when it comes to gas, cheap will get someone hurt." Talk about cheap, cough cough.
@alexdemartine4758
5 жыл бұрын
+Ralph Dratman Let me guess, you are cheaper?
@codyj2167
5 жыл бұрын
i think the he made the tanks just so they would fit in the tote but i must agree it is a little unnecessary and unsafe
@telesniper2
8 жыл бұрын
yeah propane works great for brazing. The only thing they say is you have to watch carburizng some metals and contaminating the joint (i forget what exactly). But feh, i've never had a problem personally
@psychomikeo500
12 жыл бұрын
we have always used propane with the adapters as it is easier to get the fuel
@obfuscated3090
5 жыл бұрын
The customized MC and built-from-scratch tanks are cool as is the adapter. The adapter and MANY others are available online. Western is the US industry leader for gas fittings. What many weldors self included do instead of modding an MC tank is refill disposable LP tanks and adapt those to our OA or OP regulators. Be sure to remove any flow restrictors when doing so. Here's my detailed Weldingweb post on the subject: weldingweb.com/showthread.php?56785-Very-portable-propane-cutting US made acetylene regulators have soft parts rated for LP (saves multiple part numbers and possibly dangerous mixups). If in doubt call or email their tech support. Cheap is good but sometimes it's what's referred to as false economy. Acetylene is also WELL worth having available. I use oxy-actylene and oxy-propane depending on task and also have acetylene-air torches. Used US made quality torches and regulators are cheap on Ebay. I rebuild equipment using factory tech data for myself and collect torches and regulators. Rebuilding oxygen regulators is most convenient if you send them off since the cleaning is more work than it's worth. See Weldingweb for user recommended rebuilders or go through your local welding supply. I go even further for light weight and use medical oxygen cylinders which I transfill (google "transfill whip") from my large oxygen cylinders. My oxygen whips are CGA 540 males on a pigtail. I connect that to a CGA 540 tee with an oxygen regulator on the opposite side to monitor fill pressure and vent the line after the transfill. Lots of info on the net but know and work to "oxygen safe" standards and do not fuck around! NEVER fill a damaged cylinder. Never store ANY fuel gas cylinder inside a closed vehicle. It's often done but explosions can easily scatter your truck! Safety Note: Anyone can do this sort of thing if you STUDY seriously first. If you aren't dead serious about safety then find another hobby so you don't kill anyone who doesn't deserve it. Weldingweb and the Miller forums are excellent resources. Videos are useful but don't try to rely on them because text is inherently much more precise.
@birdchaser2010
7 жыл бұрын
You are not cheap you are smart
@Buggy8873
11 жыл бұрын
Home Depot has a kit with propane tank filled, silver added solder no lead and flux with brush for $20.
@TorBoy9
2 жыл бұрын
pretty cool. much cheaper. I never thought you could add oxygen to propane, but now it makes sense. Why not?
@jonminnella2168
7 жыл бұрын
thanks for the demo i been tring to find a cheaper way braze frig pipe
@mchimonas
13 жыл бұрын
Smith makes a cool pre-set regulator for use of propane with victor type torches.
@walterbrunswick
13 жыл бұрын
Nice video, very interesting. I'm entering the HVAC/R industry soon and I'm already sold. Don't forget to mention that you have to switch to a T-grade hose though:)
@351wsvo
14 жыл бұрын
@MrCohibaboy You can braze if you can get 1100 -1300 degreesF But you can not weld with it. You have to use acetylene.
@crosstimbers2
11 жыл бұрын
this is a little mis-leading because you are also using oxygen
@mainelyelectric
11 жыл бұрын
Hi i'm Ben I love your vids and I do the same as you and braze with propane and i also braze really short rods together to make a long one again!! why throw them out anyway we pay for the rod it costs a price and brazing them together saves money and rods!! For now I use my smith little torch with a oxy propane rose bud tip! thanks again Ben
@craigmonteforte1478
4 жыл бұрын
When i was a teenager a buddy of mine had a used Mustang that had a leaky radiator his Dad fixed the leak by brazing a old penny over the hole(heads Up) of course for good luck ! Over 40 years later i always check at car shows looking for that radiator in another car ! So far no luck yet but my guess is its still out there BTW my freinds Dad was a Maintenance man in a Hospital kind of a Jack of All Trades my freind was happy his car was on the road
@totallyfrozen
4 жыл бұрын
No offense to you and your friends, but I wouldn’t trust that homemade tank at high pressure. The design is not the proper shape for high pressure gas. It’s adequate for soft drinks or handheld fire extinguishers, but I wouldn’t trust it for high pressure gas. Interesting video, though. 👍🏻
@351wsvo
14 жыл бұрын
They are the same. One has acetylene gas in it one has propane liquid in it.
@ricxeco
14 жыл бұрын
I use Turbotorch STK-99 with propane (No oxygen) for brazing copper. Seem to work OK for the small pipe size I do (1/4 OD and 1/2 Plumbing). I do copper annealing with it (20 oz, 18 inch disk)... but it seems to be very slow compare to the oxy-acetylene variety. (Like 1/2 hour for the disk). Propane tank -- standard BBQ -- 20 lbs. I don't need to refill too often.
@luciusirving5926
10 жыл бұрын
Who needs a mig welder, when propane can provide tougher joints via brazing than welding? Plus nobody likes arc rays and smoke at all. Mig and Tig can braze but only with shielding gas plus they're limited to indoor shop work. Not to mention, propane can be used both indoors and outdoors.
@RalphDratman
9 жыл бұрын
That all makes sense to me. About the only disadvantage I know of would be that brazing with a torch would probably be slower than arc welding. However, in non-industrial settings the speed of welding, or the time required to complete a specific weld, may not matter.
@yornnygarciga9726
7 жыл бұрын
JP JP
@351wsvo
13 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you can cut metal or welds or whatever.
@apex831
11 жыл бұрын
I just use mapp gas to braze with a rose bud tip, works just as good, but im lazy! Cool idea to add propane to me ac/oxy setup
@martinw9425
4 жыл бұрын
great vid.......nicely done.
@rovannon
9 жыл бұрын
hi can you give more information about setting up the flame. maybe even another video for it? I am very new into oxy-propane welding and almost all the information on internet is about oxy-acetylene welding.
@godrenstorm7583
9 жыл бұрын
I have found you use 3 x the amount of oxygen per fuel when using propane or natural gas Vs. using Acetylene and oxygen. However if you can get a good deal on oxygen and don't have the means to use Acetylene. This dose work. However your limited on what you can use your torch set for.. your limited by the max heat you can make with the fuel of your choice.. As for me, I tend to use both depending on my needs.. Getting tanks filled is getting very hard to do if you own your own tanks and don t want to surrender your tanks or pay rental rates.. The newer laws and company policy are designed to screw the little guy and give more control to the corporate bussiness.
@racepicman
14 жыл бұрын
did you pressure test the cylinder you made
@351wsvo
14 жыл бұрын
@mjphx Yes it is a victor propane tip .Or you can countersink a standard tip yourself our can actually use a standard tip without the countersink with a little more difficulty.
@351wsvo
11 жыл бұрын
Acetylene tanks, the small ones very often leak.
@mainelyelectric
9 жыл бұрын
Are you good friends with the Propane filling place? How do you get away with filling a MC tank with propane? did you get it recertified for propane? Just wondering
@es30381
13 жыл бұрын
sorry, on a side note...... nice mustang. good vid by the way. thanks mate
@walterbrunswick
12 жыл бұрын
no worries, sorry for being snappy.
@klcwarchitect
5 жыл бұрын
I was hoping to see something using just propane
@felixv0
13 жыл бұрын
Have you ever try to braze thin walled steel tubing (about 1-2 mm) useing brass to join the tubes. would be intresting for me because I don´t want to buy a acetylene tank.
@mercoldswfo
4 жыл бұрын
Kinda Sound like Ryan Reynolds 👍
@ncarn8
11 жыл бұрын
HAHAHA welded the solder sticks together. win.
@351wsvo
13 жыл бұрын
@CCSinventions That's a great idea I always keep a spare
@honda12353
12 жыл бұрын
for the brazing are you using a acetylene welding tip but with propane
@carlrudd1858
8 жыл бұрын
I can to see about brazing.... not to have a cylinder tour. LOL
@nocknock31
8 жыл бұрын
Lol.
@blackrockbrewing5141
2 жыл бұрын
Third door on the right?
@fpreston9527
7 жыл бұрын
overkill
@johncoscia5258
2 жыл бұрын
At the risk of being petty the title is misleading , your brazing with Oxy-Propane which ain't the same hence why the two bottles and way more heat . Jealously l only have a propane set up, Bullfinch . A very decent English made unit been around a long time now but the issue still remains regardless of the two gasses being that a Propane flame is oxydizing causing terrible wetting issues as mild steel turns black with this flame . Great for cutting they keep saying but Oxy- propane brazing not so good , l really wish they were wrong but not so unless you have a way around it , fluxes or flame changes ? Thanks for the video , just frustrated now being stuck spinning my wheels on this issue a while .Lol.
@russellwilson5246
2 жыл бұрын
cool..hey i hear you use 4 times the oxygen.is that corect and would that end up not so cheep? does any one do it with compressed air?
@351wsvo
12 жыл бұрын
No you cannot weld with propane
@351wsvo
11 жыл бұрын
Used to.
@charliec4100
13 жыл бұрын
good video
@UpcomingJedi
12 жыл бұрын
Not bad but I think they already make an oxy-propane torch.
@walterbrunswick
11 жыл бұрын
you probably turn off your cellphone before you enter a gas station...
@ARCSTREAMS
5 жыл бұрын
first of all im surprised to realize that propane has more btu's/cf then acyt yet acyt is a hotter flame?perhaps because adibatic temp is diffrent than btu? also it seems propane and acyt have the same 21600 btu's/lb?? i guess propane must be lighter by vol, i made some calcs according to specs online saying 1cf of prop=2570btu,1cf of acyt=1450btu ,and it is almost half of the weight of acyt,, second why did you build that aluminum cyl for? will they actually fill it for you something home made like that? its illegal to fill,even for propane they are strict now about tank expiry date much less something you built
@chaosinhell666
12 жыл бұрын
by the way acetylene is hotter than lpg
@351wsvo
13 жыл бұрын
@vochitoken Yes You can cut plate just like with acetylene
@marynollaig4124
3 жыл бұрын
How did you get the propane into the home made cylinder?
@oolcat1
11 жыл бұрын
random, how much would it cost to get a small kit or something for brazing, intrested in this very much!
@nickjinlin
12 жыл бұрын
how do you refill the homemade cylinder with LP gas
@smartestmanonnet
13 жыл бұрын
Yes. Cheap
@anthonygrimes1977
7 жыл бұрын
Why use oxy acyteline to join copper pipe,. I can by map gas.
@nailbanger489
6 жыл бұрын
anthonygrimes I agree for 1/10th the cost seeing how he is so worried about cost. I’ll bet he has twice the cost if he counted his hours screwing around making shit he doesn’t need.
@450hp202turbo
13 жыл бұрын
@351wsvo yes i see a bulldozer wrecker scrap man using it to cut through thick plate amazing ,BBQ gas lol
@q2069
14 жыл бұрын
how do you clean out the acetylene tank to fill it with propane?
@351wsvo
14 жыл бұрын
@cheeseboat15 When you start buying the stuff you'll know what you're talking about
@soullessone4681
7 жыл бұрын
brazing with propane and oxygen not just propane change your title
@instaladoratoledo7191
5 жыл бұрын
Tem regulador pla ficar no ponto brazagem
@JoseVargas-bz3zd
4 жыл бұрын
How did you remove the porus off the mc tank?
@LILJOJO567
13 жыл бұрын
touch it
@mchimonas
14 жыл бұрын
I have an oxy-acetyelene set up. Can I just go to air gas and swap my acetyelen cylinder for a propane cylinder? are propane cylinders like the white one in the video easy to find?
@Xynudu
6 жыл бұрын
No flux ??? Do you need to wear UV glare filter goggles with LPG/oxy ? I'm thinking of going this way for brazing. Any info appreciated. Cheers Rob
@johnirby493
5 жыл бұрын
Brazing copper requires no flux. It is self cleaning.
@JustinLodes
5 жыл бұрын
John Irby actually you still have to clean and prep the joints. You just don’t need flux
@mikefreedom5612
4 жыл бұрын
Did you change the hoses and tip?
@chaosinhell666
12 жыл бұрын
its called having a death wish
@robertmunguia250
12 жыл бұрын
how much are those rosebud tips?
@Rawflcounsel76
10 жыл бұрын
Is that an interchangeable tip that you braze the copper pipe with at the end? Where do you get it, or what is the model? Also I used the tip that came with my victor torch kit with propane and cannot get it "roar" like you did in your video, is the a specific psi that for propane and oxy? Could share it you don't mind?...thanks
@351wsvo
10 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the whole video? is your tip rebated at the end? Propane press. is about 5-6 and Oxy is 15-18. The tip is interchangeable. It is a Victor. Number 2 Type TEN #0311-0485 tip and Number 6 TEMF #0311-0676 and #0324-0094 tube for 100FC handle
@TheNuggetshooter
5 жыл бұрын
@@351wsvo No, the Propane tip I use is not "rebated", but the holes are "recessed".
@chinnlab
13 жыл бұрын
How do you empty your acetylene tanks (of the porous material)?
@voodoopirate86
13 жыл бұрын
can u cut metal or previous welds with that?
@wakawaka12320
7 жыл бұрын
hey do you notice with propa b e your torch tips get really hot?
@GamingOnTheFritz
11 жыл бұрын
Can you tack weld with propane?
@jonminnella2168
7 жыл бұрын
do you think this would work if you substitute oxygen for compressed air
@Rainaman-
7 жыл бұрын
Jon Minnella yes, but uneffective
@senseisecurityschool9337
4 жыл бұрын
If you want to use air, there is no need to compress it - just use a standard propane torch which sucks in air.
@ericsbraun
12 жыл бұрын
that material is asbestos
@jabird73
11 жыл бұрын
Just wondering, does that acetylene tank hold 8 CuFt?
@LaksaMedan
13 жыл бұрын
Wow . I have been brain washed !! for too long i have been told only acetylene. propane would not be possible
@davidabraham3873
10 жыл бұрын
hey did you have to get a different type or set of tips made for propane thanks
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