Frame geometry was better back then. Namely, the recumbent bike. It was so good the UCI banned it in 1933.
@TheWaxChainFanClub
6 жыл бұрын
Matt.
@steveb1972
6 жыл бұрын
Anything not involving a microchip or battery!
@Wil.moyle19
6 жыл бұрын
Spokey dokeys
@matthewlewis2072
6 жыл бұрын
With you on the bottom brackets.
@slumduck63
6 жыл бұрын
Great choice getting Ollie on board. He blends in with his enthusiasm ,knowledge, experience in the saddle and in front of a camera . Spot on great show.
@bryanmccullar4701
6 жыл бұрын
Nigel Wa, I’ve been watching Ollie on a channel that will not be spoken. It’s great to have him on GCN. Nice hire chaps.
@brianantnssn5177
6 жыл бұрын
Bryan McCullar Unsubbed after him leaving, don't feel I'm missing out.
@gcntech
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nigel! Glad you enjoyed this week's show!
@PhilipKaskela
6 жыл бұрын
he's great. something is wrong with his hair though.
@Sir_Arlin
6 жыл бұрын
Also. Polished silver groupsets stems and seatpost and rims and hubs Im so tired of all this black crap. Thank god for campagnolo for still making polished silver groupsets.
@code3xiv
6 жыл бұрын
Im building one replacing those black with silver parts at the moment. :)
@grumpynerd
6 жыл бұрын
You could probably take some scotchbrite to them and produce a nice satin finish. I've done that with a cheap dive watch that was just a little too chromed for my taste, and the results look expensive. The thing is that some alloys of aluminum do corrode, so you might have to re-polish them periodically.
@christophertrapp4195
6 жыл бұрын
YES! I'm a bit sick of the murdered out look.
@obriaind
6 жыл бұрын
Hear hear on the silver groups.
@jasonforster9445
6 жыл бұрын
I recently did a buildup from frame with dura-ace 9100. The color as a whole on dura ace wasn't black but a deep grey which I like. However, the crankset, brakes and pedals are pure black and to me, look like something you'd buy but for 10 bucks a pop. My solution, I used 9000 cranks, campagnolo chorus brakes and eggbeater pedals.
@vagabondroller
6 жыл бұрын
I just bought a steel 1989 Specialized Allez at a garage sale for $5. I'm thinking it should be good for another 30 years!
@ROBinJVILLE
6 жыл бұрын
vagabondroller 5 bucks?!?!? Awesome find!!!
@Sir_Arlin
6 жыл бұрын
Well done sir. Video its restoration. May it serve you well.
@mikeylindseysadventures4212
6 жыл бұрын
My baby is a 93 Specialized Allez is my daily then my 84 Raleigh Wyoming Touring
@gcntech
6 жыл бұрын
Woah nice find!
@anthonylanemusic
6 жыл бұрын
Nice find! I scored a 1994 Allez a few weeks back. Beautiful condition, but not nearly so nice to ride as I'd hoped. I've heard the 80s ones are considered superior though.
@Ferreal92
5 жыл бұрын
Still using vintage (1983) Super Record on my Davidson steel bike. Looked so out of place 10 years ago and was pretty much ignored by folks on higher-end modern bikes. Fast forward to today and I'm getting more compliments on it than when it was new. Lots of sentimental folks who remember this tech from back in the day seem to miss the beauty of hand made simplicity. I'm glad I hung on to it.
@ryanmarshall96
6 жыл бұрын
So I’ve been riding a 1972 schwinn paramount for the past 6 years. Passed down by my grandpa. And I just picked up a 2004 aluminum frame carbon fork bike, with wider handlebars. And even though I can go faster more efficiently with my new bike, my old bike still is way way way more fun to ride and just feels soooo good. Also the work on the frame is just so beautiful and the etching in the handlebars just can’t be beat. I love that old guy.
@obriaind
6 жыл бұрын
You talked about the steel frames without ever mentioning the best things about them; the lugged construction on narrow tubes, with a Columbus or Reynolds sticker near the top of the seat tube/downtube. They always looked so much more elegant than the chunky road-sails we see now. And stop encouraging gold chains. This is cycling, not the A-Team.
@Jfb-je2qz
4 жыл бұрын
Just watched this a year after it first came out ...seeing JC has made me very nostalgic and misty eyed ... he's such a natural presenter and conveys technical details with a warm ease ..
@johnsinglerr
6 жыл бұрын
You guys should find a barn find and restore it as a new series
@mikeylindseysadventures4212
6 жыл бұрын
found my allez in a barn of a old bike shop owners barn he had giant and miyata my buddy got miyata
@robertfarnsworth3706
3 жыл бұрын
Best shifting I've ever used was 9 speed Campagnolo Veloce. Really struggle to see the need to go higher than that. I'm now ten speed but am vigorously resisting any increase.
@markwatson8783
6 жыл бұрын
My old Bianchi Avanti, 35 years, old all steel, threaded bb, still going strong. Love it. 😁
@johngrossbohlin7582
6 жыл бұрын
There is no greater joy than freshly cleaned and repacked Campagnolo bearings... with Campy grease of course! I've still got a Campy steel track headset on a '83 Trek 850. That bike used to eat headsets and that headset stemmed the problem. I recently repacked that headset with Campy grease and despite being 35 years old, with many many thousands of miles on it off-road, on-road, and used as a long distance touring bike, it is smoother than any of the threadless stuff I have now. I wish I still had all the Campy stuff I had in the 70s and 80s... (on the 531 frames!) because it worked and was very smooth. Shifting both Nuovo Record derailleurs at the same time with one hand on the downtube shifters made for fast shifts! Little of the new stuff raises visceral reactions as did the old Campy!
@ralphc1405
10 ай бұрын
Remember when C-record headsets offered the grease port holes in the early 90s. Mine still going strong.
@johngrossbohlin7582
10 ай бұрын
@@ralphc1405 I do! The widespread aversion to maintenance, and throw away mentality, has taken us away from the high quality bearings!
@pixiedixie3682
4 жыл бұрын
Steel bikes , wheels with stainless steel spokes shining in a summer day , nothing beats that , pure beauty! My 1969 Bob Jackson , with Dura Ace groupset , 😍
@steveheck7754
5 жыл бұрын
1984 trek 770 21lb campy racing bike. Still riding it and passing $ 10,000 bikes on the road. The engine on the bike is the only thing that is wearing out.
@FLMKane
4 жыл бұрын
Have you tried some supplements? I hear Lance Armstrong used some good ones.
@JasonDBike
4 жыл бұрын
Try creatine. Seriously.
@christianoehm3399
4 жыл бұрын
FLMKane cheeky
@jemma_19988
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the one thing the dealer forgot to mention It is less about the bike and more about the engine !!
@gabriele223
3 жыл бұрын
Yes but don't spread the rumour. People need to buy more and more
@robbchastain3036
6 жыл бұрын
Here in the States, it is still unbelievable to me that so many good/classic/vintage bikes can be purchased for next to nothing. And that's great for anyone who wants to ride. And sometimes a bit humorous, too. Like locally, an older woman of Danish heritage scored a used bike for shopping runs to Walmart. It is a classic Trek mountain bike with Rock Shox Judy forks and the bike is immaculate, not a scratch on it.
@veebeem953
6 жыл бұрын
What was much better in the past was the possibility to interchange and mix components on your bike. You could easily mix Campagnolo und Shimano components often without compatibility issues. I also liked the wider chains as they last so much longer. And let's be honest - who really needs 11 or 12 rear speeds?
@oreocarlton3343
6 жыл бұрын
Chains braking is a big issue in mtb but noone seems too vocal about it for weird reasons
@jemma_19988
3 жыл бұрын
So many gears so little hills where I live !!
@amacedonieto
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing better than a good and realiable friction shifter, it makes you one with your gears
@jonthedoors
6 жыл бұрын
All my bikes are steel. Was a big fan of the old friction shifting - no indexing needed as you did it all yourself on the fly. So much better
@timgraves9893
6 жыл бұрын
28:54 pause music..."if that bridge wasn't in the background"..."i LIKE that bridge"..."I like that bridge too actually"...cue music...whomever is editing this edition...congrats. These little moments totally sold me. It's an informative episode and humorous all at the same time. :-)
@bleuify7
6 жыл бұрын
10 speed, the perfect number, it just feels complete
@lfoster7601
6 жыл бұрын
Stockpiling parts: Have a box with 11 Italian and 9 English Bottom brackets in, another with about a dozen Campagnolo (mainly record) rear mechs... I'm 9-speed proofed for the next 10 years.
@jemma_19988
3 жыл бұрын
That old stuff is getting valuable
@lfoster7601
3 жыл бұрын
@@jemma_19988 Especially the Delta brakes I have... Soon be able to trade for a new bike!
@Metal-Possum
6 жыл бұрын
Friction shifters are a personal favourite, reliable, simple, virtually maintenance free! That said, my 90's steel frame didn't let me use them, as it has no shifter bosses. I did get to use an outboard threaded bottom bracket though, I'm living the dream!
@paulmcknight4137
3 жыл бұрын
Late to the party, but couldn't resist! I've been running two steel bikes, about 75,000 miles each, a commuter and race bike from '85-'86l. The commuter: SLX down tube and seat tube, SL top tube, SP chain stays, Campy Nuovo record crank, Chrome steel Record BB and headset. The racer: All Campy Super Record, SL with a curious SLX seat tube. I've crashed both bikes many times and nary a frame scratch or dreaded misalignment. The BBs and headset are still good after 35 years of constant use. Rims, saddles, derailleur cables, toe straps and clips, chains, all standard stuff. I have spare parts that'll keep these trusty bikes going for another 35 years. The fendered commuter weighs 24 pounds, the racer 22 pounds, neither a handicap next to these fat tired gravel bikes. Grant Peterson referred to these bikes as "manual bikes." The rider controls all functions, the bike an extension of the body, all analog, no clicks, pops, dead batteries, or computer assist. The idea is self sufficiency, the essence of cycling. You're a boxer battling the last round before topping the climb and winning. Boxing and bike racing are contests of aerobic endurance. Slow twitch lasts to the last round while fast twitch punching weakens. Threaded BBs don't wiggle. Big, loose ball bearings last forever. Campy wheel hubs lasted up to 150,000 miles back in the day. The bikes are half way there. My legs still prefer the leg speeds shifting across 6 gears rather than 10, and down tube friction shifters are elegant in their simplicity, like the bike itself. Nice to see brake hoods shrinking to almost exactly the same size as the old Campy Record non-aero levers of the '70s. Heck, 32 spoke aluminum rims haven't gone out of style. They're cheap, replaceable, fun to true, climb like a bandit, and will last as long as the brake surfaces hold up, at least 40K miles. Stainless steel spokes are still ubiquitous. The race bike, a replica of the last bikes Eddy rode, a DeRosa, rides better the harder you work. It just loves to be punished, the old boxing metaphor. It descends like a motorcycle. Amazing. You tune bikes like instruments and perform on them like in an opera, pain, love, anguish, the pleasure of victory,, a man-machine partnership only motorcycles approach, but like boxing, riding the bike trains your endurance no matter what vehicle you're driving. I could go on: clips and straps work with slotted cleated cycling shoes or sneakers, depending on where you're headed. Rat trap pedals were 29 bucks last time I dinged one up in a crash. Keirin racers and Sean Kelly felt Look clipless were too small and flexed while pressing down, so stuck with toe clips until the shoes got multiple velcro straps and thicker soles. Since the '80s, I can't think of one technical upgrade that didn't have some tradeoffs, the principle one being durability. The simpler, the better.
@christophervivian2121
6 жыл бұрын
Ollie and John I certainly hope that Si doesn't have a relapse in-regards to the mention of bottom brackets. There's documented proof on May 23, 2016 of Si stating that after many sleepless nights and a short stint of therapy he finally felt comfortable enough to talk us through bottom bracket standards. Rumor has it that he hasn't fully recovered from the seven and half minute video explanation and in all honesty I haven't either.
@mjv1967
6 жыл бұрын
Open tubulars with latex tubes are sublime to ride on. And easy to live with too.
@davidthomas4740
6 жыл бұрын
After a few years not riding the biggest change is the sound of mates powering past. Tubs ridden hard just sing with life's joy to be alive. It could be that my ears worked better 45 years ago.
@hansy3
4 жыл бұрын
Superb info. Nerding out on my 1972 Sekine (built in Rivers, Manitoba) Japanese frame. Having simple wheels built and deciding on tire width. I rarely cruise at over 35, and our roads are WRC . Florida has Alligators: we have potholes.
@philspencelayh5464
6 жыл бұрын
I also love new tech and materials. There is the danger that you get accused of being a dinosaur if you don't love it all. A case in point, the new hubs you mentioned it is what I think of as "A solution looking for a problem" it is an example of people doing stuff because they can , not because it needs doing.
@stophl007
5 жыл бұрын
the only real advantage of modern shifters, is that you don't have to take one hand off the handle. i have kind of learned where my gears are, and i'm pretty sure i can change to any gear as precise as any modern shifter can do. just takes a bit of practice... but as you said: there is absolutely nothing that could break or can't be fixed by myself.
@richardpolidore2385
6 жыл бұрын
I would like to see upgrading flat to drop bar video.
@Goriaas
6 жыл бұрын
check out RJ the bike guy's video on that kzitem.info/news/bejne/x2esuXyXrqhiiY4
@gcntech
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard for letting us know - seems like a popular one, we will see what we can do!
@Dennis4523
6 жыл бұрын
GCN Tech do a transfer mountain bike to road bike . I think that’s more interesting
@markwatson8783
6 жыл бұрын
Yes please.
@neilstuart7175
4 жыл бұрын
Did you ever do this?
@denisrho1019
6 жыл бұрын
Hello GCN guys. Great conversation on old & retro components for old bikes. Here is my long story short, I still run with my 1982 Mikado bike. With mudguards and baggage supports, it is 14 kg ! Nevertheless, I love it. Recently, I ran downhill at 60 km/h, for about 5 min, alongside a super bike Argon 18 (Canada). Both of us, we were not cycling, just flowing into the air, driven by gravity. My message: good/excellent MAINTENANCE allows "old" bikes to be as good as "super" bikes. Indeed, up the hill, it is something else. Guys, keep doing what you're doing, great videos and excellent comments, for the pros and the none pros. Denis (Montréal, Québec, Canada)
@Indicano
5 жыл бұрын
I love indexed downtube or bar end shifter.
@66smashy
6 жыл бұрын
Steel is real.
@ImNotHereEither
3 жыл бұрын
I’m 52 and been riding since I was 11. My first bike was a Raleigh Arena. I built my next bike out of a Reynolds 531 frame. My first expensive bike was a Specialized with a Shimano 105 group set. To this day, I still occasionally reach for the shifters on the down tube, even though I’m running Ultegra on both my bikes!!
@MartinWolves
6 жыл бұрын
I currently ride to work on a bike with a early 80s Benotto frame and biopace chainrings (not been produced since 1990's). They made things to last back then.
@robbchastain3036
6 жыл бұрын
Jon and Ollie, please mail two capes/aprons. Each entrant deserves one.
@DP-PhD
6 жыл бұрын
Steel :) hand crafted chromed, Italian, yes indeed. Love my Tommasini
@michaelbuckley1087
5 жыл бұрын
Even though we have more advanced manufacturing technology today, it´s tough to beat the precision of the vintage stuff such as Campagnolo in the 70´s and 80´s. My opinion is that the greater functional improvements have been in gearing selection, more stable wheels and improved cockpit ergonomics. Other than the cockpit ergonomics, I don´t feel less quality in my ride on my vintage bikes. I´d say the greatest thing that I miss of the retro tech is the precision. Just looking at the clean precise threads on vintage campy pedal axel brings a since of pleasure. These components were gorgeous then and they still are. The craftsmanship used to exude from bikes and components and now they are more like functional, marketable parts. The latest is so often it makes it hard to feel confident as to what is the greatest.
@Fred_the_1996
2 жыл бұрын
Ikr, tech has advanced a lot but components are made more cheaply nowadays, say, derailleurs used to be a piece of art, now it's just a stamped and bolted thing used for shitfting
@itarry4
6 жыл бұрын
The thing I don't like about the modern day fascination with Tech is when the different companies make new Tech or redesign something just for the sake of it. As long as the whatever the new thing is genuinely pushes the world of cycling forward in some way, really adds something new and better then I'm all for it. Even if that gain is tiny, fine. It's when they redesign or change something just so they can re-market it and/or sell more of them. Much of this new "Gravel" bike trend seems to fall in to this category. So many bikes, all claiming to do something better, or faster when many have just a slight change to the geometry or to the width of something. OK so having a lot of choice doesn't hurt but much of it at the moment seems more about selling another bike than actually trying to design a bike that's better.
@brunocyclist
5 жыл бұрын
Ian Nick Tarry I'm actually very grateful for the gravel trend. So much easier, user-friendly and pleasant to use in real world conditions than a 'road bike' - which is actually a race bike.
@Sir_Arlin
6 жыл бұрын
Steel frames. Steel is real.
@chinboy66
6 жыл бұрын
Ethan Brackett Actually it’s an alloy. Made up of iron and carbon so technically is man made rather than real. Irrelevant I know but I’m sick of the “steel is real crap”.
@chinboy66
5 жыл бұрын
pete smyth the kind that responds appropriately to the relevant comment, which you obviously didn’t read douche bag otherwise you would have not used the wank expression troll
@michaelbuckley1087
5 жыл бұрын
@MRGRUMPY53 A bit heavy, but about a pound or even less than greater than the modern steel. Not so bad really. We all accepted adding more than that with disc brakes.
@michaelbuckley1087
5 жыл бұрын
@@chinboy66 I agree it´s a tiring expression. I never used it. But I really like to ride steel and have tended back to it. The trade-offs are very clear to me and for most riding that I do, worth it. But I still like my titanium and carbon - all processed by humans.
@barryf1966
4 жыл бұрын
My steel frame is 40 years old
@Agrajak
6 жыл бұрын
My 42 year old Dawes racing bike still going strong after a rebuild using mainly the original parts apart from the chain and rear cogs and usual wear items. Love it.
@terbennett
6 жыл бұрын
I love my carbon and aluminum (or aluminium) bikes too, but there's something to say for the artisan beauty of a quality, lugged steel frame. You can visibly see the quality and you can't hide the flaws on a lugged steel frame. Those lugs speak volumes to the quality of the bike, because no builder is going to use mediocre steel with expensive, quality lugs. Not only that, a good ride quality is something that never concerns a steel bike rider- even on the stiffest steel bikes. Never heard of a steel bike that was jarring over bumps. If anyone knows of one, let me know.
@murphykenji
4 жыл бұрын
Advocating downtube shifters and steel frames? Someone's been reading my diary.
@damonthomas8955
5 жыл бұрын
I love old Campanolo, anything up to the late 80s, it looks great and lasts forever. Sometimes a high end steel bike with a full campy groupset can be had for a couple hundred dollars, ready to ride.
@noogscustombarn5321
Жыл бұрын
I agree about steel! I still ride a midschool Pinarello Steel frame with a carbon fork and carbon seat stay. That was early 2000 a very good compromise. But looking forward to built up a oldschool lug mounted steel frame with "modern" components like 2x10 or 2x11. If money wouldn't be an issue, I would go for a Battaglin ! Its so good to see a company still celebrating their roots and offering a lug mounted steel frame! Thanks for keeping history alive.
@autisticlife
6 жыл бұрын
My 1986 Bob Jackson made with a 531st tube set is still going well, all it sold copnents still work on nothing but maintenance and careful setting up, campagnolo record hub, TA bottom bracket and chainset etc still fine after all these years.
@tychoMX
6 жыл бұрын
The Benotto with cellotape... that was a true throwback. Well done.
@musloco
6 жыл бұрын
Hi guys! Here's something i've been thinking about... Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but maybe Bike Vault could be better if you make the "contestants" battle each other for the honour of getting the "Super Nice Bike Cowbell of the Week" or something like that!
@cyfacrider2008
5 жыл бұрын
I've been riding since college days in 1987, an early 80s Specialized Allez with Suntour Superbe Pro, works beautifully today. It's simply a fun bike to ride. Use it for my commuter bike. Or for riding to art museums and coffee shops in LA. My road bike is a 2006 Lemond Zurich, a mix of carbon and steel, with 10 speed SRAM Force and a mix of bits from Chris King, Thompson and 3T.
@DrJRMCFC
6 жыл бұрын
A beautifully lugged steel frame with chrome forks with a sloping bridge with still be beautiful in 50 years time (ok, so the chrome might be a bit ropey) while my carbon aero speed machine definitely wont.
@tonyhopkins4399
4 жыл бұрын
It's great to have you lot at GCN, but.... We also need some input from the more mature viewer. Those who were there on the day when steel was the ultimate! I'm 72, have 2 carbon, 2 alloy and 4 steel bikes, although my carbon are light and responsive, my steel are a joy to ride and get taken out more often.
@nathanphillips875
6 жыл бұрын
The editing in this video is far more jokey than previous but I really like it 👌🏻👌🏻
@ABM-UK
6 жыл бұрын
Tech that I wish still existed: Campagnolo Carbon Spider Cranks
@AfroPoli
5 жыл бұрын
What you display there on that Battaglin is the most beautiful groupset ever made.
@JohnLee-vj9lh
3 жыл бұрын
Old tech it’s easy to work on, and 180mm crank, 54’42 front chain rings
@OslerWannabe
5 жыл бұрын
You guys make good points about innovation. We're a strange species, Homo sapiens. We crave innovation but fear change. Figure that out. Anyway, I started riding seriously at age 11, in 1960, on my single speed cruiser. The dream bike for kids at that time was the Schwinn Continental for, I think, $86. Serious money. I waited and got a new Peugeot 10 speed for #75 in 1963, and thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Then I saw a real racing bike for the first time, a Peugeot PX-10, 23 lb., alloy frame, Huret group. At $135 it was out of reach. Waited again, and bought my first quality bike in the late 60's, a Schwinn Paramount. Once I got around the Schwinn name and learned that it was the equal of bikes on the European Tours, and realized it had been commissioned for the US Olympic team, my snobbery melted. It was simply beautiful - a 531 frame with beautiful, intricate lugwork, painted a blazing white with hand-painted red pinstriping which curved in, out and around the baroque lugs, Campagnolo Nuovo Record group, and an Olympic logo decal on the stem. It had the classic reinforced concrete Brooks saddle which never softened a bit over time, and Weinmann high flange hubs and wheels with Campionato del Mundo silk tubulars (expensive - $15 each). It was like riding on rails laid on feather pillows. God it was sweet. I've been in love with steel ever since, and although of my 8 bikes subsequent to that 6 have been steel, my two favorite bikes have been my Trek 5600 and Litespeed FS MTB that I got in the 90's They let me ride faster and farther in better comfort, but I always missed something about the steel frames - the comfort derived from the properties of the metal. Carbon's just not the same, although once I got used to the weird dampening properties and the alien sounds coming up through my ischial tuberosities to my inner ears, I gained more and more affection for it. Titanium is nearly the perfect frame material IMO, although it's springiness, which stands in contrast to steel's dampening took some getting used to. The steel frames of the Paramount and the Raleigh Professional Mark II that replaced it when it was stolen for the second time during finals at UC, combined with the smooth, reliable performance of the Campy groups on both bikes, made for performance that could not have objectively matched that of the Trek carbon, but always seemed superior subjectively. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the feel of old classic mechanicals. I never raced, so split tenths of seconds in gear changes never mattered to me. I cared about Campy reliability, and comfort above all else. I had to stop riding in the 00's due to multiple injuries and encroaching age, but my son inherited the bikes. He loves the Litespeed, and has wrung absolutely every ounce of joy from it. Now at 29 he's having a custom hardtail MTB made out of -- steel. His dad's boy.
@christill
6 жыл бұрын
In the upgrade of the week, I voted for the Giant because the money spent on that Trek must have been almost as much as just buying a new and better one. And Ali’s bike is more in keeping with what the segment should really be about. At least to me.
@christiansandiego9338
5 жыл бұрын
well said ...just a brand trek
@mcdonnell-douglasdc-1056
2 жыл бұрын
While I do love index shifting, I also love friction shifters. It is like knowing what gear you're at just by either looking or feeling the position of the shifter. Plus they don't seem to need constant maintenance.
@zXToThaFaceXz
6 жыл бұрын
My bike is a 2001 Cannondale, so all the parts are pretty old save the saddle and tires. The thing I like most about it that is going out of fashion is the 3x chainring.
@Pratalax
6 жыл бұрын
Christ almighty, Taylor didn't just knock it out the park, he sent it into friggin' orbit!! What a cracking job!!! Truly inspiring.
@killphil90
6 жыл бұрын
Would love to run tubulars if I had a team car following me where ever I go. Oh another thing is price and time to set it up.
@jackrains2301
4 жыл бұрын
I got a Ron Cooper frame un 1975 or 76. One great component was the Phil Wood bottom bracket made in his garage before he opened a factory. Several thousand miles with no problems or maintenance.
@richardcarr6493
5 жыл бұрын
HEY THE FELT AND BMC ARE BOTH SUPER NICE TOO
@jimmythefish
6 жыл бұрын
Having just bought a carbon cyclocross bike with SRAM 1x and hydraulic discs and thru axles...not missing the old days. I do, however, agree that reliability and durability has gone out the window to do such things as wedge 11 speeds onto one cassette. It would be great for those who just ride and don't race to have more simple, durable, and reliable options that sacrifice some weight.
@jimbramble6511
4 жыл бұрын
I started riding seriously in 1985 with a Bridgestone RB1. That one was run over by a car sooo..... I bought another. Very nice bikes with midrange Ultegra. used that bike for a number of years and repaired and replaced parts with ease. However, I wanted to build a bike with a handmade steel lugged frame and a Campy groupset. I decided on Chorus except for hubs and BB which were Record. Absolutely loved that bike! Brake lever shifters that could be rebuilt ( g springs anyone?). I almost always road solo so the latest and lightest didn't matter. I did purchase a set of racing wheels and I had several cassettes lying around that I could use for local races, but my everyday rides were heaven. Still love to see those chromed lug steel bikes.
@paulwinkfield6560
4 жыл бұрын
I still ride my 1972 Swedish Crescent/Campy NR racebike in L'Eroica events, only change is Suntour barend shifters added in 73, Gatorskin 25c sewups, I also miss the Czech Barum 18C V-profile sewups! Fast, Fast, FAST!!! I'm card caring retrogrouch with ProTour carbon but nothing like riding 531!!!
@oliverwilliams2223
6 жыл бұрын
You should do a 24 hour live stream (possibly for charity?) where you just go through a whole lot of the back log of bike vault submissions. I swear I could watch bike vault for hours on end, love it guys!
@Lacking_something
6 жыл бұрын
With beer!
@JonCannings
6 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea actually
@jerryp514
6 жыл бұрын
Never forget the prime mover of bicycle "advancements" - marketing.
@martinaxe6390
5 жыл бұрын
My first road bike was a 1989 Dave Scott Master Centurion. When I traded it in, in 2015, all the original Shimano 600 components were there and still fully functioning, even the wheels. I used the credit from the trade in to buy a 2006 Fuji Roubaix. The Centurion sold the next day at the store and I couldn't help but suspect I may have made a poor decision. I then had two years of trouble with the Fuji and replacing components that wore out. The Fuji rides beautifully now, and is lighter and just a little more aggressive to ride, but I still wish I had that old reliable steel frame bike of mine.
@justinbecker3066
6 жыл бұрын
Video idea: tour of John's entire bike/component collection.
@moritzbrall2478
6 жыл бұрын
totally agree with threaded bottom brackets
@stevehatfield117
4 жыл бұрын
My bit of old tech is the brake levers to activate the brakes from the top riding location re: Sears Ted Williams Free Spirit, Aluminum frame, friction shifters on the stem; Yes, every 20 or 25 minutes of riding you tighten the adjusters, or, you wind up with an automatic transmission you aren't enjoying.
@samzagato
6 жыл бұрын
On the nose boys! I'm just about to take delivery of a Brian Rourke 953 steel frame bike which I'm kitting out with a mechanical Dura Ace 9100 groupset, Chris King Threadfit BB, and Mavic R-SYS tubular wheelset fitted with 23mm tubs. You've seen my order list :-)
@bbreakout
6 жыл бұрын
Should I be proud or ashamed that every single thing they mentioned can still be found in my bike? And I don't consider my bike "retro"!!!
@gcntech
6 жыл бұрын
Proud!
@jemma_19988
3 жыл бұрын
The fact you have a ridable bike shows how good quality the components were back then !!
@pkomarek
6 жыл бұрын
Jon, you keep talking about how much you love shoes and how many pairs you have. I think you should prove it to us by showing off the shoes you're wearing at the beginning of each GCN Tech! How many shows will it take before you have to repeat a pair of shoes?
@davestambaugh7282
5 жыл бұрын
I always liked how tubular tires would shoot rocks. Especially the silk ones. They would hit the side of the cars with incredible force. I doubt that the drivers had any idea what was happening, but I always knew.
@D.Eldon_
6 жыл бұрын
_Tyre size_ -- Another consideration: *rider weight.* If you are tall, like me, and therefore weigh more, a 23 mm tyre may not be practical because the air pressure you need to support your weight and have no more than 15% tyre compression may exceed the maximum pressure rating of the tyre. A 25 mm tyre is the "sweet spot" for heavier -- but fit -- cyclists.
@frankburn6312
6 жыл бұрын
i'm 6'3" and ride 22mm continental sprinters at 120 (you can pump them up to 170). very nice ride
@erichaskell
6 жыл бұрын
I built an Alan glued and screwed carbon/alloy frame with all super campy components about ten years ago. Cool looking, but I like the ease of use of my modern Dura Ace components so much more. Plus I don’t have to answer those haughty and snotty questions “what is that?”
@markmarlatt1105
6 жыл бұрын
Nothing is better or more reliable than a good ol friction shifter!
@TheWaxChainFanClub
6 жыл бұрын
Is that what you call it?
@mrfunball5204
5 жыл бұрын
Love my suntour bar ends
@MikeHammer1
4 жыл бұрын
Still riding my 1982 Trek built Model 715 bicycle in metallic pewter grey which I upgraded with components common to that time like a Stronglight 99 triple crankset, San Marco Concour Profil seat, Sungino Aero Mighty pedals, etc. Weighs 22 pounds without any accessories.
@Albanez39
6 жыл бұрын
The Phoenix hub might be great for track/fixed gear riders. Braking with a fixed cog will put a lot of force onto those threads, and sooner or later they all strip. With this kind of hub you can replace your fixed threads without taking apart and building the wheel again...
@christophertrapp4195
6 жыл бұрын
32 spoke box sections wheels! While I'm a bit young to have experienced them while they were new, the ride of my H Plus Son TB14's laced to Chris King R45's is absolutely sublime. I run them on a late 80's Pinarello Montello frame, and while its about as un-aerodynamic as a bike can be, it absolutely flies. The ride is smooth, the road feel is perfect, and everyone I ride with thinks I am a complete whacko for riding them.
@officialclownbusiness7788
6 жыл бұрын
Christopher Trapp if your bike makes other people think you're nuts, you're probably doing something right.
@johnsowerby7182
5 жыл бұрын
With you on the 23 tires. Riding 23's on my '98 Bianchi XL EV2, with a 10 speed cassette, I may add
@theguzziman
5 жыл бұрын
Square taper bottom brackets, the ultimate long lasting BB. I wish Shimano would bring back the UN 72!!!!!!
@ricocasilli3307
5 жыл бұрын
No!! I hated them. lost many hours as a teenager messing around with them
@lovaszkalman2281
4 жыл бұрын
I have an 20+ year old Caprinae MTB (I'm 35 year old), was tested by official bike repair mans and passed saying good for least 5 year. The only new things are the handel's Rubber cover. The old back break's scruw had break some where. The back tyre's gear had banded a bit. Last but not least the inner tubes of the tyres do the become unrepairable due to "item" collections. The outer Layer TC Debica Tygrys however still like it's new except the erodation (I want to bike to Poland from Budapest anyhow. Except that everything original. :-)
@THEdavehogue
6 жыл бұрын
on the discussion of 23's & 25's -- I was waiting for Ollie to mention the "pseudo-pave" that the UK has like he did in the TimeMachine R01 video
@jochem1986
6 жыл бұрын
Dave Hogue 🤭 did you just mention... the competition??
@LiLDiddee
6 жыл бұрын
1987 Reynolds 531 Mercian with 1991 Shimano 600, Mavic Opens on 23s = magic carpet ride
@thelonesculler
4 жыл бұрын
Threaded BB. Have never ever had a problem with one
@Kek5kopF
4 жыл бұрын
The first commercial indexed shifting system by Shimano (SIS POSITRON) was a complexity nightmare. Good luck adjusting that. Have it on my 80's road bike. I also got to say that adjusting stuff is easier to day: bowden tightners, brakes, wheels, saddle
@rupertcreek7101
2 жыл бұрын
531 lugged can't beat them. Wish I still had my Raleiigh Road Ace with lovely Shimano group set. But that was back in 1985.
@morganbrown8950
6 жыл бұрын
I dream of smooth roads - over the recent 3-5 years I've moved from 23mm to 25mm then 28mm and now I'm finding myself riding 30mm Challenge Strade Bianca on my gravel bike more often than not because the roads and lanes here in Wiltshire are so awful!
@chrisbrewin4
6 жыл бұрын
Morgan Brown not just Wiltshire the entire uk , that’s not even talking about potholes or hidden drains to memorise on a given route. Ride on brother
@jal492
6 жыл бұрын
Amen! Siberian pine roadways gets my vote! Ollie for PM :))
@PRH123
Жыл бұрын
The fine metallurgy of Campagnolo hubs and BB's was really impressive. I could get my hubs perfect, absolutely perfect, not the slightest sensation through the fingertips. When I repacked my BB, I could put a dime on one pedal and it would swiftly rotate to the bottom... that just doesn't happen with cartridge bearings....
@stevegannonhandmade
6 жыл бұрын
My Powertap wheels had easily changed out free hub bodies, and I really like that. I had different cassettes ready to go… one for flat rides and one for hilly rides. And I almost always forget to clean my cassettes until I’m about to climb on for another ride. No problem… I could easily just trade out for a clean cassette for this ride, and clean up that dirty cassette at my leisure. Loved it!
@stephanelouvet1113
6 жыл бұрын
Those velcro straps on the Fizik makes me remember my beloved Time Equipe TBT shoes ! (the best shoes and clipless system ever made to me)
@Chrissummerill
5 жыл бұрын
Threaded bottom brackets are just better. Hollow tech 2 is wicked. Steel is definitely real. Also, there’s something mega satisfying about downtube shifters.
@brunocyclist
6 жыл бұрын
For real world riding - not racing - 23mm tyres are just bonkers. I love how my 36mm Challenge Strada Biancas roll over all road surfaces with comfort and confidence. But I do want a steel bike again. Every time I've ridden (a good) one, it felt very special. Something hard to define. My next everyday bike is going to have a lugged steel frame. And a metal headtube badge. As soon as my wife lets me...
@deheckler
5 жыл бұрын
Old Campy Record BB's n Head Sets had Huge Balls. And Retrofricton down tube shift levers worked on 5,6,7,8 Speeds. Holy Shiiii
@RoyBatty08707
5 жыл бұрын
Headstems. They used to be smoothly polished beauties with little in the way of exposed fixings and visible clutter.
@adamcoatham
6 жыл бұрын
Good to know it’s not only me who thinks of Alan Partridge when hearing “hot topic” then!!
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