1:19 Asrock boasts about being "an expert in Vista", yet the Windows logo in the corner says "Designed for Windows XP", and the board is being used for Windows 9x.
@Nukle0n
4 жыл бұрын
Presumably to assuade people that this board would support Vista. I assume it was before Microsoft had released any kind of list on what a Vista compatible machine should live up to, or for that matter a logo for OEMs to put on their boxes to say "Vista Ready"
@Nukle0n
4 жыл бұрын
@Max Paine because requirements didn't change between those versions of Windows, but they did between xp and Vista.
@keylock32
4 жыл бұрын
@Max Paine You need to consider the era of these machine was released, for Pentium 4 alone there are at least 5 chipset maker that I know of (VIA, INTEL, SiS, Nvidia, AMD, yes AMD Chipset for Intel Processors) and each of them produce at least 3 different revision of chipsets, that includes support for SDRAM, RAMBUS, and DDR, so... if we were talking about AMD+Intel there are at least more than 50 chipsets that needs to be supported by microsoft and that's only for Intel Socket 478, and AMD Socket A. In my opinion these era was disaster because too much variant, in the end consumers are the one suffering, and btw Pentium III/II and older AMD K6/K6-2 also still popular.
@thealien_ali3382
4 жыл бұрын
I like this nob head, deleted Ur pretty cool u asswipe
@turbo6780
4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of Vista. I think Phil should make atleast one Vista build :D There's hardly any videos about gaming PCs running Vista so that would be something new and interesting :D
@Cowclops
4 жыл бұрын
I did something along these lines just last week - only I was targeting "Can run win98 well, but I'm mostly going to be playing DOS games on it with some Win9x stragglers and no 3d acceleration." Its a PII 400, 128MB ram, 64GB SATA ssd connected via an SATA->PATA adapter, and the motherboard even came with a nice yamaha XG chip right on it so even though I bought it "because" it had ISA I ended up using the onboard sound - its compatible with every DOS game i've thrown at it. Basically, I'm running games as old as Monkey Island 1 and as new as Age of Empires 2 and it handles everything in between just great. I'm sure there are exceptions of weird games that run too fast on a PII and too slow on a 486 but thats not as widespread of an issue as, say, games that run too fast on a 386 and only just right on an original 8088-4.77mhz. For those, I have a Tandy 1000 that can switch speeds anyway.
@wishusknight3009
4 жыл бұрын
I think speed issues in games seemed to be mostly gone by then as well. The XG sound cards were something we put in our budget machines at the time, and most people thought them just fine. Far better than some of the other onboard chips for the time. Sounds like a pretty solid system! My older son decided to put together a machine for much the same purpose. Mostly non 3d gaming for windows 98 and before, and he found an MVP4 mainboard in my collection with a K6 of some sort. And he has been quite happy with it.
@Russell970
4 жыл бұрын
That's why I love you man, You make the best quality retro videos in KZitem!
@philscomputerlab
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@DhinCardoso
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah! The best ones
@kennyj4366
4 жыл бұрын
I really love these old retro builds. So many little things you can change that weren't available at the time.
@martli837
Жыл бұрын
Hey Phil, just wanted to drop a comment to say thank you so much for this video! I just completed my own windows 98 build and I used this as a guide for parts etc. The machine is working great and I can play all those old games I used to play as a kid/wish I could have played had I had the money. My next project is a windows XP machine based on one of your other videos. Love watching all these builds - keep up the great work!
@AdamChristensen
4 жыл бұрын
**PhilsComputerLab posts a Windows 98 related video** **CLICK!!!!**
@MrSamadolfo
4 жыл бұрын
✌️😎 Keep It Old School 🐢
@flygger6250
4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of sitting for hours after every reinstall of win9X finding the best drivers and so on. Life is sooo much easyer today :) Love you retro builds Phil. Helps me remember my young days, with my friends, discussing pc parts and all the tings we wished we could afford. Thanks alot!
@nyccollin
Жыл бұрын
*easier
@aaron96244
4 жыл бұрын
The thing I love about the socket 478 and 865PE chipset is it's extremely compatible with Windows 98 and does well for most XP and DOS games. I usually use a 3 ghz Pentium 4 (Northwoods), an Quadro FX 2000 graphics card and both Vortex 2 with Dreamblaster S1 and Audigy 2 sound cards to given me late 90s and early 2000s compatibility.
@NightMotorcyclist
4 жыл бұрын
I still have my old Pentium III 800 system with a GeForce 2 GTS for Windows 98 . For my build in the Geforce FX era though, I had paired the parts with Windows XP as it was quite an improvement over Windows 98. Instead of a Pentium 4 or Geforce FX, I was using an AMD Athlon XP 2500 Barton Core OC'd to 3200 speeds, nForce 2 Ultra mainboard and a Radeon 9700 Pro as that build was much more affordable at the time compared to the Pentium 4 and FX set up. I still have all those old Win 98 and XP builds with me along with the games that i've bought on the original CDs.
@FilipoLipos
4 жыл бұрын
I loved my old athlon xp2500 Barton :) hehe at that time I had fx card but I really did not like it....them I got gforce 6600gt and man that one was good
@NightMotorcyclist
4 жыл бұрын
@@FilipoLipos I bought a Geforce 6600GT 64MB AGP version a couple of years after owning the 9700 Pro and still have it with me. It's a BFGTech version with a blue PCB and copper heatsinks.
@FilipoLipos
4 жыл бұрын
@@NightMotorcyclist I had model from MSI with red pcb and nice cooler
@bestopinion9257
Жыл бұрын
You are a keeper.
@armorgeddon
4 жыл бұрын
Good video! Two things to add: 1. mentioning/warning about the 3dfx AGP voltage issue on most P4 mainboards andcompatiblity issue. 2. there are optical drives with not only analog output but also SPDIF for which cards like SoundBlaster Live! have the input connector.
@electricalbatross5797
4 жыл бұрын
14:20 if I’m not mistaken, Rayman games are originally PlayStation (PSX) titles, and it was very common practice for devs to lock frame rates to certain values in different cases. (Example that comes to mind we’re final fantasy games, menus ran at 60 but gameplay was locked to 20-30 I think)
@Green_Stache_Productions
Жыл бұрын
Not true. While Rayman 2 did release on PSX it wasn't until a year after the N64 and PC versions came out. PC versions character animations are capped at 30FPS however the game's speed is capped at 63FPS. The game is known to have issues with the frame rate dropping from 60 to 30 randomly however it's usually when playing the game on modern hardware so I'm not sure.
@electricalbatross5797
Жыл бұрын
@@Green_Stache_Productions then I was mistaken, thanks!
@HappyBeezerStudios
9 ай бұрын
What they did was change resolution frequently. Having 3D scenes at lower resolutions for acceptable framerates, and displaying pure menues at bigger resolutions to make text readable.
@dcarpenter85
6 ай бұрын
Usually when games drop from 60 to 30 fps like that it is caused by double buffer vsync locking to the next closest frame rate divisible into the refresh rate so on a 60 hz monitor double buffer would drop to 30 fps when 60 fps cant be reached.
@ugh.idontwanna
4 жыл бұрын
What a coincidence! Just last weekend I finished my Pentium 4 Win 98/XP build. I went with a SiS chipset though as I wanted to mostly use parts I already had. Also, mine's low profile, so I'm a bit more limited with regards to GPU and sound card. So far I have settled on a GeForce 6200 and a SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit. Low end, but that just means cheap! :D
@joshmiller7870
4 жыл бұрын
Alpha Centauri is a great 4x game. I still play today!
@suspectedstar
Жыл бұрын
Inspired me to use this mainboard on a build. Went a different way. P4 3.2GHz 1000w EVGA Supernova G+ PSU Geforce 7800 GS 8XAGP 2GB 2x 1GB PC3200 DDR 400Mhz Added DVD drive, Wireless PCI card, Soundblaster, Gotek Floppy emu, Kingwin Fan controller with 2 case fans inside an Enermax CS-125. Waiting for the HD gpus to come available on eBay for that final best in slot AGP. Running windows XP.
@lahojaqueflota
3 жыл бұрын
I really want to do this one day. I remember my dad once bought me a star wars game but it wouldn't run on our old 98 prebuilt HP desktop. He even went out of his way to try and find a graphics card, spent the extra cash on one and tried to install it. Unfortunately he wasn't well versed enough to get it to work due to compatibility. Thanks for trying Dad, meant the world to me back then.
@TamerMetwalli
4 жыл бұрын
I used to game on Win 98SE using a nForce2 powered Epox 8RDA+, AthlonXP 2000+ and a Radeon 9500 Soft-Pro. Loved every minute of it, upgraded capacitors when it went wonky and is still running today.
@retro-computing-gaming
4 жыл бұрын
I recently did a Windows 98 build on a Lenovo LGA 775 board from about 2011 - dual core Pentium CPU, Yamaha ymf744 sound card, and FireGL v7100 video card (equal to Radeon x800). Managed to get 100 percent device manager compatibility and even real DOS audio working.
@F2bnp
4 жыл бұрын
Didn't have time to go through the entire video, but if anyone's interested in grabbing one of these boards, be careful and avoid the P4i65GV. The P4i65G is a great mATX board, however the GV version uses a chipset that lacks a true AGP slot. ASrock pulled off some black magic and implemented their own "AGP" slot which I believe they dubbed AMI, this is very quirky as it apparently reroutes everything through PCI, which means performance suffers greatly, compatibility is not guaranteed and stability is iffy. I had first hand experience with that, remember getting 10-20fps in the opening areas of Jedi Academy no matter the resolution and details. It all went away as soon as I tries the G version.
@ericmdk
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip! Most helpful and clear warning!
@danielwebofrito2
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Phil! I had this mobo in my parts bin I found it inside a pc someone had trashed a while ago and I was considering building a PIII win98 retro pc, not needed now that I know this one behaves so good in 98. I'm Gonna buy a cooler, a case, a p4 and that plastic hook thing for the cooler and Bob's your uncle.
@philscomputerlab
4 жыл бұрын
Yea Pentium 4 parts are still quite cheap compared to a high end Pentium III system!
@KokoroKatsura
4 жыл бұрын
A N I M E N I M E
@jcfb1470
4 жыл бұрын
This is a really cool build. A P4 flies with 98 installed. You should also do a video of windows 98 on an Athlon XP some time.
@pixelgriffstudios
3 жыл бұрын
you should see an i5-750 fly on 98, just did a dual boot windows 10/98 gaming PC, GTX 1050ti for windows 10 side and in FX 5500 for the windows 98 side with a pci sound blaster live card as well. I can play dos doom, windows 98 games with glide effects and then play Red Dead Redemption 2 all on the same PC best of both worlds. Heck maybe even through in a voodoo Card as well for the hell of it lol
@virtualtools_3021
Жыл бұрын
@@pixelgriffstudios does any of the onboard stuff work?
@emlyndewar
4 жыл бұрын
Everyone hated the FX series back in the day. I loved my 5950 Ultra!
@justiny.1773
4 жыл бұрын
rawednylme 5900-5950 ultras were beastly 5800 sucked tho
@mOddEdLiKeHeLL
4 жыл бұрын
Phil, Pentium 4 and win 98 has been on my mind for a few months now. Just got home from work. Gonna shower and get popcorn ready for your video.
@MVCZ1
4 жыл бұрын
Another good old retro stuff video, thanks. I personally recommend getting 775 board with i865 chipset and AGP slot. They will be harder to find, but you'll likely get problem-free capacitors, a huge range of cheap and silent CPU coolers and possibility to use at least power efficient 65nm Cedar Mill P4 processors, or the first range of Core2 prpcessors, some boards even support Q6600. So wide range of possibilities - running 98SE, XP and even W7/8/10 on one machine :)
@daytimerocker3808
2 жыл бұрын
would be cool to build a system like that with a hard drive containing partitions for all of those operating systems.
@virtualtools_3021
2 жыл бұрын
@@daytimerocker3808 or a hotswap bay and a few cheap ssds
@PistigriloXP
4 жыл бұрын
I want to see more videos with Athlon 64 in Windows 98 and XP and I'd love to see videos with the first generation of Phenom and with the Athlon 64 X2 as well.
@KokoroKatsura
4 жыл бұрын
a n i m e n i m e
@xpmyt341
3 жыл бұрын
@@KokoroKatsura weeb
@tyttuut
4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of doing a Socket 478 Pentium 4 build for XP. Turns out the recycler had exactly zero good 478 boards but there were several decent 775 ones. The board I ended up with has a 955X, a P5WD2 I think. Best part is the processor: a 3.73 GHz Pentium 4 EE! Keep in mind this was a recycled part I picked up basically for free. I don't know what it's worth, but they seem hard to find, and it works great. Overclocks like crap though.
@philscomputerlab
4 жыл бұрын
Extreme Editions are definitely collectors items!
@tyttuut
4 жыл бұрын
@@philscomputerlab I've made tons of amazing finds there.
@WrenFJ
4 жыл бұрын
Very nice! What's the SSpec? Let me know if you want to sell it :D
@tyttuut
4 жыл бұрын
@@WrenFJ Would I be right to say the only S-Spec for that chip is SL7Z4? That's the idea I'm getting from here: www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/Intel/Pentium_4_Extreme_Edition/JM80547PH1092MM.html
@tyttuut
4 жыл бұрын
@@WrenFJ Also, if you want to buy one, look up the S-Spec (SL7Z4) and a few websites have them. They seem to run about $60-100.
@Bloons69
4 жыл бұрын
Loved these retro builds. It really brings me back to the old days playing Feeding Frenzy 2 on my Pentium 4 1.8ghz computer
@jeremiahgray8483
3 жыл бұрын
Really cool retro build
@HelghastMerc
4 жыл бұрын
Great video, Phil. I used to have a Dell Dimension 4550 pc. I customized the PC and game it a Aureal Vortex 2 sound card, installed 512 MB of system memory, and replaced the crappy Geforce 4 MMX420 with a Geforce Ti 4600. I kept the pentium 4 2.0 Ghz processor in, and I installed windows 98 SE in the PC. It was a nice retro PC, but I had to junk it because one of the capacitors capsized. It was a shame, but I can't properly replace a defective capacitor on a motherboard. But that is why I built that Pentium 3 PC, not long ago, and I managed to give it a nice AWE32 soundcard. The Pentium 3 PC isn't quite as fast as the Dell Dimension 4550, but it's still a really good retro PC. I do have an Asus A8V-X motherboard with an AMD Athlon 64 4000+ CPU. I may built a pc out of that and install Windows 98 SE in it, but the CPU might be a bit too fast for old games, especially DOS games.
@DimensionDude
4 жыл бұрын
I'm using a Socket 775 Pentium 4 (3.4 GHz HT) and Windows XP for my "vintage" or "retro" games. Why? Because so many older games are available on GOG.com for a reasonable price. Unfortunately, most of them have been "retooled" to run under SCUMMVM with a minimum OS requirement of Windows XP. Steam games are not really an option since they dropped support for Win XP. If only GOG.com would include the ORIGINAL installation files with the purchase of an older game...
@KARAOTI23
4 жыл бұрын
Always nice to see some good retro content from my favourite era (and from my favourite yt channel)! My latest retro pc activity was another upgrade for my high-end win98 pc I have been modifying over the last couple of years. Have swapped three motherboards (one ECS, one QDI and now a Gigabyte all with VIA chipsets) and four processors (Celeron 900, P3 1000, P3 1000EB, now Tualatin 1.4GHz). For graphics I originally used a GF2Ti 32MB (also paired it with a Voodoo 1 at one point), at times an FX5500 and now I upgraded to an Albatron FX5900XTV. Sound card atm is the good ol' SB Live 5.1! SB0060 (I found for free recently), but I've also used the CT4810 and CMI8738 as a replacement after my original SB0100 died last year. p.s. btw I think I have that Asrock motherboard in my garage inside an old beat-up antek case (see? I have to check out now...)
@analogrest5733
2 жыл бұрын
You cant always judge good caps by the brand, the cap plauge had several companies putting name brand shrink wrap on their parts, so yea counterfit caps. You should look for leaking, swelling and top bulging.
@Darren66860
10 ай бұрын
Many thanks Phil for all your videos which have helped me a lot. Managed to refurb my Dell XPS 233 mmx system which was the 1st bought 30+ years ago. Also got the P4 system shown in the video. AGP if the best interface for graphics cards for compatibility. A lot of games don't like PCI-E cards. Keep up the good work !!!!
@Samopal.VanoZz
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for glquake.. seing this in computer club back in the days had a huge impact on me. Wow effect was comparable to first unreal and q3 experience as it is my all time favourite game.
@Samopal.VanoZz
2 жыл бұрын
Version in the club was glquake unofficial 1.13, and it had model and movement interpolation, and even some fog)
@CantankerousDave
4 жыл бұрын
I actually have a similar machine that I built around an old video capture board. Mine's a 2.8GHz P4 in an Intel D865perl motherboard. It's an odd mobo, with a pair of first-gen sata ports and Firewire connectivity. And to top off the weirdness, an AGP Matrox Parhelia triple-head video card.
@mapesdhs597
4 жыл бұрын
I made a similar system for my brother so he could run older games with Win98: P4/2.4GHz, 1.5GB RAM, something like a low profile 6600 GPU (flat style case), it runs very well. I forget the mbd model offhand though.
@carltonleboss
4 жыл бұрын
How did you get Windows 98 to work with 1.5GB of RAM? I thought that Win9x was very finicky with the amount of RAM it uses.
@virtualtools_3021
2 жыл бұрын
@@carltonleboss there's a patch to use nearly 4gb
@timothyseidel527
4 жыл бұрын
Another great video, Thanks. Your knowledge of graphics cards and their compatibility is awesome -I have always wanted to try a Quadro card of this era on my P4, I will have to give it a go!
@jddeluxe2242
4 жыл бұрын
Finally Phil! Back with the old school. Love it 👍. Please no more Ali Express stuff 😂
@NiGhtPiSH
4 жыл бұрын
Good thing I have most of these components available and ready to go (except matching DDR sticks). I've got a FX5200 and a SoundBlaster for my project, and they seem to be the best solution for me and both cost USD 10. I still have to get a new case, since the ones I have are in bad shape and stink of cigarettes.
@MaggotInfestedGod
4 жыл бұрын
some neat looking capacitors on that board.
@richwater296
7 ай бұрын
i have this motherboard but with a v at the end, and sadly the caps on the top near the socket and they're blown
@Romess1
10 ай бұрын
Lol I have this exact same cooler on my FX5900 Ultra, that's what this Quadro is based on I'm guessing? I remember ironically buying it for 20 euros in 2011 with the stigma on the FX-series and while thinking about starting a project of benchmark cards through generations. They are offered on Ebay for around 400usd these days, nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
@jeffbankston8806
4 жыл бұрын
MAN this brings back memories fun builds fun games those were the good old days Rasberry pi has more power now
@branscombe_
2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Retro build in 4k Phil, you have a new subscriber! Nice to e-meet you!
@directionlessstudios7210
4 жыл бұрын
Love the video. I saved many P4 chips when they were basically throwaways and retro enthusiasts were still fawning over PII/III’s. Building Win 98 P4’s are challenging rewards, sometimes getting all the components and drivers to play nice. Makes it feel special when you get that build working well. Thanks for another great video. :)
@smiththers2
4 жыл бұрын
and just when i thought i was going to take a break from building old computers... looks like i need to dig out the old 865 board and stare at driver install screens for a few hours....
@pc-sound-legacy
4 жыл бұрын
Great vid, phil. Happy to see you making windows 98 stuff. P4 is the cheapest possibility for a retro pc right now, you csn get a board with a cpu and ram for around 10€ on ebay here in germany.
@yyzttr6306
4 ай бұрын
I have something like this, Its a Slot1 Pentium 3 600 Mhz, and an FX5200 LP. Almost all OEM or old-ish parts, but was nice enough to run the small selection I have.
@OfficialiGamer
4 жыл бұрын
nice! I have a Dell Dimension 4600 with a GF4 MX-440 and 3GHz P4, it runs great with Win98SE
@deathcube2006
4 жыл бұрын
Im always having trouble using agp cards with external power connector. Glad to know I´m not the only one
@dimarzio9374
Жыл бұрын
Just bought a shabby 5900XT for 8 bucks. Crossed fingers that it works as stated.
@ColdSphinX
4 жыл бұрын
Somehow I preferred to put a nVidia GeForce 4 TI 4600 over an FX into my Pentium 4 Windows 98 SE system on a ASRock 775i65G R3.0.
@philscomputerlab
4 жыл бұрын
Yea the GeForce 4 works just as well!
@NoNant55
4 жыл бұрын
Nice, I had a mighty socket a friendly Tagan PSU delivered today
@survivalistboards
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you
@philscomputerlab
4 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@peacemekka
4 жыл бұрын
Feeling better having a Pentium G2030 and Nvidia GeForce 210. Thanks for giving me hope.
@97pedrocas
4 жыл бұрын
Just for reference, after testing a lot of 478 motherboards, I can tell you that the best cheap board for 478 is this P4i65G, mine is running a prescott 3.0 @3.7ghz with ddr 500 memory, it works really good but the vrm really gets hot so I added littles heatsinks and its way better, just a really solid motherboard!
@RonnieDeuce87
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Just found my Sound Blaster Live 5.1 yesterday and I still have my old GeForce 3 Ti 500...I really want to build another retro PC after watching this!
@szpynda
4 жыл бұрын
You want kill me? I looking for Gf3500Ti a long time... I will be cry. Do You want sell?
@ND22M
4 жыл бұрын
Phil another great video!! Good to see you back having fun with some retro hardware! What version of fraps works with Windows 98?
@philscomputerlab
4 жыл бұрын
fraps19d is what I use!
@mesterak
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Phil for this awesome video! I just built two socket 478 systems and was wondering if I could do Win98SE, which you’ve shown here. I’m working with Dell OEM boards so I don’t know if I’ll run into driver issues or anything, but hopefully Win98 will work out as well as it did for you in this vid. You’re the best!
@ShinobiDiabolik
Жыл бұрын
Hello Phil, As always, pleasure to see your videos, good work! Just a quick note, the hardware configuration for this video, is excellent configuration for Windows 2000, it will serve windows 2000 excellent. Windows 2000 and this motherboard will work really nicely with each other. The Nvidia Quadro FX 3000 will work really well, using enterprise/studio grade drivers for Quadro, known to be extra stable and extra reliable , and it will not compromise on OpenGL/DirectX gaming, as long as you take some attention to driver installers. My experience using and building systems with Windows 2000 shows the best way is: 1. Install Chipset driver 2. Reboot 3. Install GPU driver 4. Reboot 5. Install sound card drivers 6. Reboot 7. Optional install but good to have - You can also install OpenAL - OpenAudio Library, it works good favor for sound effects, basically improving spacial and positioning effects on sounds for many games without using creative sound cards and their respective CMSS or EAX 8. Install network card drivers 9. Reboot 10. Install OpenGL, for Windows 2000 it is a separate installer, you must install it additionally/separately. 11. Reboot 12. Install DirectX, for Windows 2000 it is a separate installer, you must install it additionally/separately. 13. Fully update Windows 2000 to following levels SP2 SRP1 as intermediate stage and then SP4 SRP1 as its final stage - You want the SRP1 stages, they are the important ones. They introduce some features and compatibilities, which regular SP do not. Reboot when prompted. Tip: About the CPU, Windows 2000 with SRP1s for bot SP2 and SP4 will make a good use of Pentium 4 with Hyper-threading and it will be able to use both threads, manage them and schedule them in an optimal way. Tip: Do not install more than 3 GB of RAM for Windows 2000, Best case scenario is 2GB RAM in Dual channel is more beneficial for performance, you will feel the difference, compared to 3 GB RAM in single channel. Now Windows 2000 is good to go and it will surprise you with compatible, stable and reliable work in games in both DirectX and OpenGL mode.
@nicacioedu
4 жыл бұрын
Another great video, Phil! Keep up the good job! 👍🏻
@RetroTinkerer
4 жыл бұрын
When you did the videos with the 775ig65 I also saw in Amazon these 478 boards (Also NOS) but I didn't had really any variety of 478 CPUs so I didn't got one ☹️. I really loved having a Thunderbird 1.3 and latter an Athlon XP 2600 for a lot of years (kept using W98 until XP SP1 was released) Now I just love your videos and collect old hardware that I didn't try back then, like all these Intel P3 and P4 CPUs or K6s... Now... To find some cheap GeForce 4 card, as I never had one, thanks for the tip on that Quadro model, my GeForce 3 stopped working (maybe some caps as it worked when I stored it) and I don't have any card from that time period that can keep up with a P4 and the latest win98 games!
@SOU6900
2 жыл бұрын
On the subject of Voodoo cards I saw a Voodoo 4 card on eBay for $800 or $900. Now I may want one like a lot of people, but not that much.
@janwitkowsky8787
2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to share some good news with Phil. Got a hold of a Soltek Qbic EQ3401A. Bought second-hand, no massive info in regards to specs, so I had to make best guess from old articles. And I was decently lucky. CPU: Pentium 4, 2.8 GHz. (Could have been a celeron) Mobo: Intel 865 chipset. (Soltek custom) RAM: DDR 256 MB, single stick. Videocard: FX5200 passive. Dead on arrival. (Could have been on iGPU) Storage: HDD, IDE. Slow. Floppy and optical (CD x52). It turns on. The Videocard didn't work proper it seems. And the BIOS is incorrectly setup with S-ATA setting. (Possibly, because it's running XP and former owner must have set it that way). Used my Geforce MX4000 and got to the POST message, telling me the issues. Pressed F2 to continue and booted into WinXP. After everything was working, I decided to test my Radeon 9600XT. And presto. I have image and it's registered. Now... To re-learn how to install Win98SE and drivers and all that jazz. xD
@meh78336
3 жыл бұрын
Just built myself a mini P4 win98se PC using a shuttle XPC. I had to get the individual bits as I couldn't find the P4 board in the case, so i got the the case, the 875 board, the cooler and a 250W PSU. I have a few P4 so went with a 3GHZ one for now (may go for a lower if it runs to hot), a soundblaster live 5.1, a Radeon 9800 Pro (had to be single slot so I had to go dig out the original cooler) and as well as a floppy drive and DVD drive, I used a 500GB hybrid drive to get that SSD boost with less worry. Got the Voodoo 5 5500 to swap if needed. I was surprised at just how small it is, it makes even my coolermaster Elite 130 XP PC look huge. I have to say the only real downside was that I wouldn't do a USB install, so I had to do the easy2boot path via another PC for the first part, then plugged it in for the second part of the install and it worked out fine. I can finally have my 98/DOS PC on the desk with my current one and XP PC (got it sat on top of the XP one) instead of having to lug about the big Xaser III case whenever I fancy a play around with it.
@bertnijhof5413
4 жыл бұрын
I still use a Pentium 4 HT (3.0 GHz) weekly. It is installed in a midi tower from Compaq Evo with two stickers; Pentium 4 and Windows 98/2000. The motherboard is out of a HP D530 SFF, its Bios date is from 2003. The system has 1280 MB DDR (400MHz) and it runs 4 HDDs (2 x 320GB 2.5" on SATA-1 and 250GB + 320GB 3.5" on IDE). It runs FreeBSD 12.1 on ZFS and I backup my Ryzen desktop (running Ubuntu 19.10 on ZFS) every Saturday to this Pentium 4. Both also store a Virtualbox VM of Windows 98 SE.
@con2botonesnadamas433
4 жыл бұрын
Windows 98 retro gaming? Instant like!
@mdrumt
4 жыл бұрын
Back to Phil's roots. Nice!
@13blackg
4 жыл бұрын
i was looking for a reason to keep this free garage sale machine around and now i have it, i found this p4 hyperthreading machine at a garage sale and was given to me for free. it runs extremely well even modern linux distros dont seem to slow it down too much but i had no real use for it. course now i have the perfect use case thanks to your video
@albertrodriguez3429
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Phil. Love your videos. I never miss one. I only wish you’d occasionally build a “system” instead of just a test bench. Otherwise keep up the good work!
@philscomputerlab
4 жыл бұрын
I get offers to use cases quite often, but they are a pain to work with. Takes 3x the time and they take up a lot of space.
@SqueekyBums
4 жыл бұрын
Return to castle wolfenstein. Quake engine and I never stopped playing it! In fact, I still do, even multiplayer is still alive! Servers are privately funded now, but you can't resist a day on the 'Beach'. Look out for the server 'teatime' if you still have the game :)
@NightSprinter
3 жыл бұрын
I have an old thrift store find of a Shuttle XPC that has a PCI and AGP slot, and it's an i865G chipset.
@williammurphy1674
4 жыл бұрын
You can also use or pick up a Turtle Beach Riviera 5.1 Surround Sound Card - Part# TBS-3425. Works on PII 450mhz or higher Win.98 to Win.XP .. Mobo: AsRock LGA 775 Conroe which had AGP & PCIExpress for graphics. Could run Intel dual-core or quad-core cpu's and either or DDR III or 4. Mine still works, got it running a GeForce 7600 GT.. Also, still have my e-Geforce 7950 GX2 but it wouldn't work on this board. AsRock never updated the Bios to include dual gpu's to get it to work right.
@jeffwhite9001
4 жыл бұрын
Loving your channel Phil, hey it's probably been asked before but where did you get the test bench you use from?
@UndieingLust
4 жыл бұрын
Any one else much prefer the way older computer parts look? Smaller heat-sinks showing off more of the bare PCB. Much nicer than the massive bricks with gaudy RGB lights they slap on GPUs now a days.
@mikek92
4 жыл бұрын
Still have my old 478 pc sitting in the closet . An A Open brand motherboard that you can o/c on . Running a P4 , 3.0ghz o/c to 3.2 (watch out) , 4gb ddr memory , an evga 7800 GS AGP video card that's also overclocked . It initially had 2gb of memory , but I upped it to 4gb for XP 32bit . It only sees 3.5 gb , as expected . Need to get it back out & dust it off & update it . Got my original pc running 98 SE , with a slot one P3 750 mhz cpu .
@BastetFurry
4 жыл бұрын
I think i need to revitalize Team Reds version of this, which boils down to one of my Athlon XPs, lets see if the 3000+ still works and how well 98SE works on it.
@fishyfool
4 жыл бұрын
Windows ME would be a good choice as well. As long as window 98 or ME drivers are available for your board. I rather prefer ME to 98SE. The memory limit was higher (98 could only address 256 megs efficiently), it had wayyyy better plug and play ability, and it was better looking.
@pabloleon5298
3 жыл бұрын
@@fishyfool Woah, someone speaking on favor of Windows Me! I better make a wish!
@flotfriedmeisenmann768
4 жыл бұрын
The GF 4 TI was one of my favorite cards. RIP my old Friend ^^
@Mico605
4 жыл бұрын
Pentium 4 was my main machine just a few short years ago lol
@harryshuman9637
3 жыл бұрын
It was probably a later Pentium 4. The nameplate was used for like 10 years. Windows 98 Pentium 4s are the ones for FSB frequencies between 400 and 800 Mhz.
@buckshot5096
4 жыл бұрын
I love this video. but that 2nd RAM shot that is missing a lock... it's killing my OCD!
@Trick-Framed
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Took me back to my PII 350 days. The games that is
@tusharsarode4546
4 жыл бұрын
Friday videos rocks always
@madmax2069
4 жыл бұрын
Years ago I ran a P4 2.8ghz Northwood, with 2GB ram and a 6800 GT running Windows XP. It struggled in a few games but played many of them pretty well. When I was updating the system I was trying to get an ASRock motherboard (all I could find was used), but each time the sellers on eBay sent me the wrong board, 2 of which was broken. So I just ended up using the same motherboard that came with the HP D530 SFF and I slapped it into an Antec three hundred case (not to be mistaken with the three hundred two case). I did this mainly to get away from the SFF case and it's PSU (that likes to go boom). Plus the 6800 GT wouldn't fit in the stock case.
@kami4542
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video as always Phil :D Why prices on these high end FX cards (even their Quadro equivalent) are so out of reach ? Back in the day they were not that impressive compared to the Radeon 9000 series in my opinion. At least I can understand that the FX 5800 Ultra is rare because it had a very short life but the 5900, 5950 etc. BTW I had fun last year with a similar rig with an FX 5900 Ultra and an Athlon XP-M 2800+. It can change its multiplier on the fly from about 300MHz to 2500Mhz and more. I used it with with FSB 333 at 2333MHz, which corresponds to the 3200+ model with FSB 333. I think these Athlons XP Mobile will greatly increase in value in the future :)
@beff5058
4 жыл бұрын
man, overclocking P4s was something i had too much fun doing. what a chip.
@bmassche
4 жыл бұрын
You should play leisure suit Larry on these retro pc’s... that’s what I was playing back in the day
@pijussimkevicius6149
4 жыл бұрын
Hi! Pretty early! Going to watch the video! Just want to say! It's extremly interesting!
@paulb4uk
4 жыл бұрын
I found a asrock p4i65gv board on ebay opened but never used and managed to find a ti 4200 to go with it so will be building a similar machine for windows 98 gaming .
@ironinquisitor3656
4 жыл бұрын
Same here but I'm using a 4600ti
@tj71520
4 жыл бұрын
This inspired me to put win98se on an old medion Pentium 4 prebuild with a fx5200 gpu that I have.
@sanekibeko
Ай бұрын
I would love to do something like this someday
@Airbag888
4 жыл бұрын
Nice vid as always phil I know it's an aside in this case but I feel uncomplete without a power draw reading in the video. That said I'd been looking for ages for the name of that turn based anno game so that's a win haha
@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513
4 жыл бұрын
Socket A all the way. Barton core co processors.... Omg I miss those days
@talvisota327
4 жыл бұрын
i prefer to use the asrock 775i65g which makes it possible to use core 2 duo / quad with win98. i know win 98 can use only 1 core but its still a funny experiment. that board supports everything from win 98 up to win 10 which is also great.
@philscomputerlab
4 жыл бұрын
Yea that works well, great board!
@tripcodeQ7
4 жыл бұрын
I made a windows 98se debian dual boot on a t42, still working out driver issues :c (hibernation acpi). Most is working though, and it is nice to drag and drop from GNU/Linux all I had to do was install a package and modify an fstab file :D
@eduardoavila646
4 жыл бұрын
Thats nice! Modern debian? It would be awesome to be able to use the machine to modern tasks while also being able to play win98 games on the go
@tripcodeQ7
4 жыл бұрын
@@eduardoavila646 yes, but on Debian it was probably the slowest experience that you could accept lol
@eduardoavila646
4 жыл бұрын
@@tripcodeQ7 Well, with the most basic interfaces such as i3, a terminal browser its probably acceptable. I've done that to a atom n455 @1.6ghz that actually used p3 architeture and lost a tad bit to a 1133mhz pentium 3. It had 1gb of ram tho. The pentium M that those thinkpad have may have slight better performance. Even lubunt lxqt could run ok in there. If you got lucky you could even upgrade the cpu to one faster pentium M, and use a pinmod to overclock it. Probably would be 1.7ghz to 2ghz. Win98 would be fine, and linux if its a basic DE would run ok too. My atom n455 crawled winXP, 98 wouldnt even boot in there. It a matter of choosimg your poison. But debian would be cool to nagivate through a ftp or sftp to tranfer more games to the win98 instalation
@bramvandenbroeck5060
8 ай бұрын
If you are looking for a cheap but solid Pentium 4 platform with the 865 chipset, i suggest you get an HP D530 SFF pc! "But that's a low profile pc, i want to be able to use full sized graphics cards!!" and i would say yes, i know, but hear me out! The mobo inside these computers use the standard micro atx platform, so you can put it into a regular tower case no problem! Yes you won't have the I/O shield, but if that doesn't matter to you, you can build an awesome P4 pc with this board like i did! I have a P4 3Ghz with 512mb and a good cooler on it and it works fine! And the Geforce FX is great for Win98 gaming! I know this video is 4 years old, but it is still relevant, and maby Phil can show off a build using one of these motherboards! The early ones use bad caps, but the later ones use good quality caps!
@retropuffer2986
4 жыл бұрын
I find it just as interesting which games you pick to try out! :D
@eurocrusader1724
4 жыл бұрын
Nice one phil! P4 is a hothead though , i prefer the Athlon cpu's of the time...
@tripcodeQ7
4 жыл бұрын
P3 is nice :D Also Pentium MMX, I used that for my webserver for a while.
@juhasto91
4 жыл бұрын
Just took apart my rig with p4 3ghz, 2x256mb ddr, radeon 9800 pro and intel d865glc. Motherboard needs to be recapped. Vrm area seems fine, but have swollen ones down near sata connectors and front panel has always connected headphones (in xp) even when motherboard does not have even cable plugged in.
@wesleybcrowen
4 жыл бұрын
Hey.. I can build that. Got a stack of these exact Nvidia GPU’s as well (both 4 Ti’s and FX’s) and Pentium 4’s are hella cheap. Thanks!
@philscomputerlab
4 жыл бұрын
That's the appeal, Pentium 4 stuff is easy to find :)
@jeffwhite9001
4 жыл бұрын
@@philscomputerlab I wish it was over here in NZ, anything you can find is hell expensive.
@marcins6071
4 жыл бұрын
good work like always
@AeiKei
4 жыл бұрын
What an era!!! I wasn't able to buy a p4 in those times because they were so expensive, instead i had an Amd Athlon Xp 2400+ wich worked flawless with windows 98 se and a geforce 4 mx440. I only had 128mb ddr ram at first and upgraded to a later to 640 mb😂
@DeViLzzz2006
4 жыл бұрын
I was right with you there using an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ and a GeForce 4 MX440. The video card I used for so long that eventually I got made fun of for using it but as long as it did what I needed it to do I did not need a new video card. Honestly wishing I could get that and another older retro system again.
@BrinkDepth
4 жыл бұрын
Hello. I’m Kacper Biernacki from Poland - Wloclawek and maybe I'll start with the story that happened to me when I was little. I got somehow used computer in 2002-2003, which was originally dated March 1998. It had AMD Athlon 2000 XP processor + GeForce 2 graphics card with 64 MB RAM. First it had Win95 then 98SE. I was 5 years old when my parents sold this computer in March 2004. In April 2004 I got another used computer. It had a specification from April 2002 with Win2000 on board. In 2005 there was a change in WinXP. The computer had a Gigabyte motherboard with Pentium 4 and 512 MB RAM and GeForce 4 TI. Unfortunately, the computer broke down. I had WinXP until 2013 until I switched to Win7. And here, with the Win XP era, I am completely out of retro. Since December 2016, I've been thinking about putting together a retro PC in different ways. In the end I gave up because I didn't know how to start and who to ask for help in general. In the end, my idea for a retro PC is 8 computers, of which 1 in each system, namely: DOS / Win 3.1 / Win95 / 98SE / Me / 2000 / XP and a computer with 3DFX Voodoo 1 or 2 accelerator or another very good or other graphic accelerator. My point is that computers would be the most powerful for games and that they would not be dead and would die after a month. I would like such computers to serve me a good 10 15 20 or even 25 years. I asked a lot of people, they spread their hands or they said they were brave and they threw me the idea of a virtual machine or were afraid to take it or did not know how. I have a lot of games that have accumulated over the years, such as Screamer 2 or Die Hard Trilogy or NFS III which do not want to work with Win7. At the virtual machines I have blooded myself. Too many nerves would have gone wrong The above are just examples of games that I have in my collection. I don't really mean computers only for specific games. I mean computers that would run all retro games from those years. I would also like to learn about computer science and, in general, as well as the programs running on such systems and computers from the DOS / 3.1 / 95 / 98SE / Me / 2000 / XP period. I very much miss this time. My parents caused me a great loss of my childhood. And now I don't know how to get it all back. I dream about these computers running all retro games, meaning that they will be the most powerful. I watched LGR movie about how Clint built a DOS computer on AMD Ryzen and it was really something. It was a great WOW for me. Just a shock. Just like he made the most powerful computer under Windows XP. It is also a shock for me. I dream about such the most powerful computers from such a period from DOS to XP. Of course, I tried to build something myself, but suddenly I lost strength because I did not know how to build a computer in old architectures. Ever since I lost touch with retro games I started to cry. I was still sad being small. Later my health deteriorated because I missed what I wanted to have, and my parents sold my first computer without my permission. The other broke. And since then I have no contact with retro. In my opinion you are the last lifebuoy to fulfill my dream / request. My parents even begged them to return the computer. Unfortunately to no avail. I still cry when I see my old games from the collection and other retro games from those times from the 80s, 90s or 2000s. Retro games are generally known. I would like to ask you to read this message and understand me and my situation. And I'm really in a lost position and I don't know how to get it back.
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