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@fanlessfurmark
9 ай бұрын
Useful vid, as usual! Hope you don't mind me putting this useful info here : In case anybody is wondering, 32GB hyperx fury 3200mhz runs at full speed and capacity on the n100m and n100itx.
@Tri-Technology
9 ай бұрын
Do you think CPUs with E-Cores are worth it for good efficiency and performance for not so heavy tasks?
@Anuitu2u
9 ай бұрын
I'd really love if Wolfgang willing to make an example/tutorial using old mainstream/popular hardware of their era and still abundant and optimized it, not just the niche one. It would be nice for me, a common people without IT education, a novice. Using anything available on their home (unknowingly mistake etc), and then, mix-match it, not just buy an used old hardware. For example: on my area, H61 chipset Mobo for miserable Sandy-Ivy Bridge (2nd-3rd) is still abundant. Along with DDR3. Maybe the pebble-like abundant is similar to Haswell - Kaby in Europe. And, C chipset is good, but B85M is abundant and not everyone using 6 HDDs, 4 at max for their homelab.😊
@thelitepredator
9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 why did you do it you didn't have too 😂😂😂 🤣🤣 @ 9:30
@TheStuartstardust
8 ай бұрын
12:58 - laptop without screen and battery or how was it compared? 🤔
@koobluh
9 ай бұрын
As a low power enthusiast who runs my homeserver 100% off a solar panel, I have to admit myth #5 tripped me up. I knew all the rest though!
@BomarJr
9 ай бұрын
Spill the specs!! I'd love to run something like that off solar
@ricardofranco4114
9 ай бұрын
I also run my nas of solar power 100%. Same for my router. I have 3 100-watt solar pannels. Hooked up to a 20ah mppt solar charger. I also use 2 20ah lifepo4 batteries.@@BomarJr
@ricardofranco4114
9 ай бұрын
I use a rasberry pi4 with 8 4tb HDDs. It sips power. Also, i have a really nice router. Its all hooked up to a UPS, just incase my solar batteries die. Plus, i also use this setup to charge all my drvices. Like batteries, phones, steam deck... etc... 😂. SOLAR POWER !!! @@BomarJr
@wertigon
8 ай бұрын
@@BomarJrI will assume something like a 50W server running from a li ion battery of 2 kWh or so. A single 400W solar panel could keep that charged in most conditions without any problems.
@ChristopherHailey
9 ай бұрын
The information efficiency of this video is incredibly high. Seriously this is one of the best myth v reality videos I've seen. I've been working with servers and home servers for quite a while and I picked up some really useful info here. Wolfgang is putting out some great content on this channel
@ChatGTA345
9 ай бұрын
My idle video consumption on Wolfgang’s channel only ever increases each gen
@cho4d
9 ай бұрын
small form factor hp (and other) office machines are great entry points. they are (usually) engineered well for power efficiency and can be picked up cheap.
@jandrews377
9 ай бұрын
I agree. I have an optiplex. Been powered on for 5 years now, spends 98% of its time in idle c6.
@arsenalfanatic09
9 ай бұрын
do you mean like the ultra small form factor ones that have no pcie slots? or the ones that have half-height slots? Or the full-blown desktops? I've been thinking about getting one if cheap enough, but I'm not really sure about how I'd set up my drives (probably have to find a real PC case), what PSU to use to power up HDDs, or what to do about sata expandibility. If you have any insight on what you're running and the power draw I'd be curious.
@hardwaredynasty
9 ай бұрын
@arsenalfanatic0971 no I think he means Dell optiplexs and lenovo think centres. Sff office PCs...usually matx boards?
@goofballbiscuits3647
9 ай бұрын
HPs are a step above. Z420-z640 run SILENTLY under decent load. They put a lot of care into these details and it shows. Lenovos are good too but you can always count on an HP to run off broken dreams alone lol they take a ruthless beating and still run.
@cho4d
9 ай бұрын
@@arsenalfanatic09 like the other commentor said, i mean the compact desktops not the ultra tiny thin clients. altho they can be used too and they are efficient they're way more limited in terms of power and expansion. I picked up a job lot of HP 290 G2 sff boxes and have been blown away. less than 3 watts from the wall at idle (with no sata devices plugged in). spends most of its time in c8 power state
@Zanthum
9 ай бұрын
"Myth#4 ECC..." "NO. we're no doing that today" 😂😂😂
@peternungesser8971
9 ай бұрын
😂
@LichtTempler
8 ай бұрын
What is an "ECC" here? ECC Memory?
@Zanthum
8 ай бұрын
@@LichtTempleryes ECC memory. There is a big debate on if you need ECC memory for home servers. It's basically if the data is important enough to have backups and or data parity dedicated to protecting it, it's important enough to spend the extra money on ECC. Vs. But ECC memory is expensive and memory has gotten much better and memory errors are much rarer than they used to be. I'm probably glossing over massive points here but I already had ECC so I stopped looking into it at least for now.
@LichtTempler
8 ай бұрын
@@Zanthum , I see, thanks! I thinks same, I have ECC memory only on servers, where I experiment with AI learning stuff and it takes some time. But for data storing I use "normal" RAM.
@yren3386
7 ай бұрын
@@LichtTemplerYou did it completely backwards. Data storage should consider ECC, because bit flip can potentially corrupt your filesystem. (Despite how small a chance it is). Machine learning algorithms can usually tolerate some error. Sometimes, errors are part of the algorithm. Worst case the application crashes, it can restart from the last checkpoint. However, one more thing, server RAM, RDIMM is way cheaper than desktop RAM on the used market. They only work for server platforms tho, which aren't power efficient. So much lower frontal cost, slightly higher running cost. It all depends on your electricity price.
@sebastianrasor
9 ай бұрын
Always a great day when Wolfgang uploads
@greatwavefan397
9 ай бұрын
Especially if it's about power efficiency
@System0Error0Message
9 ай бұрын
i'd like to mention one thing you could mention. When it comes to CPU power efficiency generation does matter for idle loads combined with the motherboard, software and bios features. Turning off audio can save 1W (measured at wall) in bios. When the PC is in bios it consumes a lot more power than when it has booted into an OS. I tried turbo stat on 3 PCs. 1 a low end amd ryzen dell, 1 a 1U erying PC, and 1 an old haswell in a high end motherboard. Tweaking the erying is a nightmare but the erying has aggressive clocks, so the idle is between 1.6-2+W. the amd ryzen had a consistent 1.6W idle while the haswell showed around 20W. I have the haswell tuned with power efficiency options available and i have a wattmeter running at the wall for my cluster, showing 100+ watts including the switch. I've measured each computer individually. The biggest issue no one talks about in power draw which your video does not address is the GPU. GPU idle is a huge pain and is why i dont run GPUs in servers. If you have a program idling in the GPU it will for sure not idle at its rated idle, but even then thats still a significant increase because consumer dedicated GPUs do not shut themselves off when unused like with nvidia optimus. Sadly even this option isnt available for linux. I am trying to use openCL and other features on GPUs so the IGP is good but once i start using the IGP in my own software, the idle power consumption will go up for sure. Many do not configure their bios for power efficiency but not all bios has the options and not all motherboards draw the same power as it depends on their VRM designs and how much hardware is packed on the motherboard. things like optical, multiple NICs, more sata ports even PCIe can actually increase power draw depending on what is added to introduce it. Fans for me can consume 20-30W alone.
@calyodelphi124
9 ай бұрын
Definitely liked watching this video! It makes me feel glad that I'm not deluding myself into thinking I don't HAVE to use a RasPi or go hunting around for The Most Efficient Hardware to run a home server. I can just use what I've got or build what I need and not worry so much about the power efficiency! 😄
@lay4play913
9 ай бұрын
Me watching this with my 10yo server idling at 110W be like: 👀
@bekr3473
8 ай бұрын
Id be happy with 110W mine draws 270W😂
@Fabri91
9 ай бұрын
Concerning the efficiency of ATX power supplies, would it be possible to do a comparison with some PicoPSU + external power supply substitute?
@jonathanbuzzard1376
9 ай бұрын
In my home server I took an SFX PSU from the scrap heap, gutted it, cut a bit of FR4 to watch the PCB and then mounted an 4"×2" 12V 170W PSU which feeds a PicoPSU. By buying a high end 4"×2" PSU the idle power efficiency is over 90%. I also don't need the huge cable bundle of an ATX PSU which improves my air flow which improves my power efficiency too. Then again I did a full custom wiring loom for the system so there is no excess cable like you would find in a server from a tier one vendor. The PSU can in theory run on convection cooling, however it gets ducted exhaust flow from the hard drives which keeps it under 45 Celcius worst case which is well below its rating which is more like 60 Celcius from memory.
@arsenalfanatic09
9 ай бұрын
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 what company did you buy the high-end 4"x2" PSU from?
@jonathanbuzzard1376
9 ай бұрын
@@arsenalfanatic09 it's an XP power PSU from memory. I got it from RS Components, but Farnell, Digikey and Mouser all stock the same or similar. It was the middle of the pandemic so I even ended up getting the semi enclosed version which I then removed just down to actually being able to get one. I can look the exact model up if you want. It was about £90 so not cheap but I expect it last for a long time and in my experience picoPSUs last at least a decade.
@aetch77
9 ай бұрын
A couple of extra thoughts regarding PSUs:- 1). Personally I found that the more powerful the PSU the higher its idle draw power. 2). A server with lots of hard drives will need a larger number of SATA power connectors, which can exclude some lower power PSUs. I found that SATA/Molex power splitters are dodgy at best and something to be avoided if possible.
@siontheodorus1501
9 ай бұрын
The number 1 is just like he said, some higher wattage PSU are more efficient than the lower one, so yeah always do some research
@namesurname4666
9 ай бұрын
what do you reccomend instead of rm550x 2021?
@DangerousPictures
9 ай бұрын
another thing against arm systems in homelab is software compatibility. I am running an dell R730 with xcp-ng for gameservers and you cant easily get a ready to use virtualisation platform for arm. also many gameservers have no arm build available
@eliptikon
7 ай бұрын
One thought concering power usage: If I have a beefier CPU, I can do task faster then with a low tier CPU, even if they draw the same amount of power in idle. So it makes sense to go with a mid-range CPU depending on the usual tasks you do.
@tamask
9 ай бұрын
Nice video. With the older vs newer model CPU comparison, I would have liked if you compered modern CPUs to even older ones, like Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Broadwell, Haswell. Those are still very usable CPUs for home server use, and there is still negligible difference in idle power draw.
@lukas_ls
9 ай бұрын
You're right but actually idle power consumption or rather low load power consumption improved a lot over time. Ivy bridge and older will draw significantly more power than more modern cpus
@catriona_drummond
9 ай бұрын
I run an Ivy Bridge Xeon Server and stepped down from a 12 core high end model to a 10 core sort of low TDP version. In this generation that actually made a big difference even in idle. While these chips are still very usable I would only recommend them if electricity cost is an absolute afterthought. Here in Germany, it is, sadly, not.
@tamask
9 ай бұрын
@@catriona_drummond Couple of thoughts. I’m not disagreeing (or agreeing) with you, just want to add to the discussion. First, _higher core_ count will always lead to higher idle power usage, regardless of architecture. So, if you compare older and newer CPUs with equal core counts, I still don’t believe there is a big difference in idle power draw. (I might be wrong.) Now, it’s true that older CPUs with 4-6 cores won’t be as performant, but that’s part of the deal when choosing an older CPU. If you need performance, an older CPU is definitely not a good choice anyway, regardless. Second, lower TDP CPUs may have lower idle power usage, but the reason is not the low average TDP rating. If all other factors are equal, then what matters is the _base frequency._ If you choose a CPU with a low base frequency, but high turbo frequency, it’ll have high TDP rating, but the idle power usage will still be low. TDP is not a good indicator of idle power usage. A third thing I want to mention is that many people see older servers using a lot of power, and they attribute it to the CPU, while this is a false assumption. Old servers are cheap. So, people buy higher specced rackmount machines with a lot of components. Like SAS controllers, hot-swap backplanes with 6-12 bays, 8-1000W dual PSUs, a huge number of system fans, hundreds of Gigs of memory etc. And then they say, “oh it’s inefficient, because it’s old”. No. It’s inefficient, because there is a lot of stuff in it that they don’t need. The same architecture, in a tower case, with 1-2 fans, a SATA controller, and 16-32GB of RAM would use maybe 10-15W more than a similar, newer config. Or not even that. Whether that’s a lot, I don’t know. The ROI on buying newer can be 3-5 years or even more. That's a long time.
@mytech6779
9 ай бұрын
@@tamask Cores can be shutdown in firmware. Anyway... is 15w a lot? My server has a peak of 15w while writing to a spinning hard drive (which is 8w alone). It is 2012 vintage (32b ARM, but that is the sandy/ivy era.)
@mytech6779
9 ай бұрын
Testing is important, manufacturers will pull all sorts of tricks like including sleep states as idle power specifications. However sleep states are generally not suitable for a server that needed to be on standby listening for requests. (There are use cases for server sleep in a large commercial setup with WOL and load shifting to fewer machines during off peak hours. Not relevent to a solitary home server.) Which reminds me Haswell [IIRC] had such low current in one of its sleep states that it would cause voltage instability in some early motherboards and they would self reset.
@alexgrig3716
9 ай бұрын
16:30 "30W of 750W is less than 3%" - is this one of the errors that are introduced on purpose to increase engagement in the comments?
@maxarendorff6521
9 ай бұрын
Looking forward to that Asrock N100 DC ITX review. I've got mine down to 7w which I am happy with even though I could never get the system to actually reach C states lower than C3 even though my NVME drive has ASPM enabled. With a SATA drive I think it can go down to 6w. Oh well...
@glmchn
9 ай бұрын
I just f*ing love how grounded and thoughtful your work is every time
@JavierPerez-fq2fi
9 ай бұрын
Great non typical content Wolfgang! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise
@lukas_ls
9 ай бұрын
What often gets overlooked about ARM CPUs is that they're usually more efficient because they're more customizable. What contributes way more to power usage than the CPU itself are the features and I/O (nowadays I/O is the most significant factor in power consumption. Moving data is typically way more expensive than calculating it). ARM allows their customers to custom build CPUs. AMD and intel on the other hand have one architecture (they do have multiple) that must serve multiple applications. ARM systems are often more purpose built which make them way more efficient. Good examples are the A64FX (designed for the Fugaku supercomputer) and the Ampere Altra line. They're both based on basically the same CPU cores (the A64FX's became N1) but have different feature sets. The A64FX is designed for maximum 64bit floating point compute (and it still outperforms most modern CPUs at that) and maximum memory bandwidth (it's basically a more general purpose GPU) and doesn't need much memory or many I/O Lanes. The Altra on the other hand doesn't have HBM Memory support, lacks the SVE (vector compute for FP compute) extensions but has way more I/O and great integer performance. Unfortunately, most reviewers don't see that as an advantage and tend to point out that certain ARM systems are not so great at every single task (even though they perform well at what they're designed to do).
@siontheodorus1501
9 ай бұрын
And i guess in M series chips, it is very power efficient due to a lot of dedicated hardwarw acceleration? Also they can cram anything to a single package since they are usually an SoC
@thewhitefalcon8539
9 ай бұрын
ARM also comes from a background of low power devices and Intel normally makes high power devices
@lukas_ls
9 ай бұрын
@@thewhitefalcon8539 that doesn’t matter as much. Most modern ARM architectures are not low power and the "efficiency" cores (little cores) are actually less efficient than the big cores
@lukas_ls
9 ай бұрын
@@siontheodorus1501 that’s another factor. ARM is built around the fact that accelerators can be added if necessary. But I don’t think that that is what makes Apple Silicon so efficient (it’s actually not that efficient just low power). It’s more about their integrated design, all the things they are criticized for like soldering down the RAM and Flash allows the higher efficiency and lower power consumption. Soldering down RAM allows to drop the voltage and get it closer the cpu (physically closer, in apple silicon it’s right next to the Chip) which reduces the power consumption by a lot (each RAM DIMM consumes like 3-4W even at idle). Then, their SSD controller is integrated into the CPU which allows to share memory and reduces power consumption for transferring data between controller and CPU. In general the more flexible you want your I/O to be, the higher your power consumption will be. That’s why those tightly integrated systems, laptops and SBCs achieve much lower consumption. Apple just adds an efficient CPU and GPU to it
@siontheodorus1501
9 ай бұрын
@@lukas_ls i see, how do you know that it is actually as efficient as x86 systems?
@ejaejaejaej
9 ай бұрын
Awesome video! I can't wait for Asrock N100 test!
@TempleKa
9 ай бұрын
I have no clue how to get that low idle power consumption. I had a 4770K and a 4790T and the whole system consumed 60-70W in idle with 6 HDD + 2 SSD, one pcie network card with 2 ports and 4 fans in the case. I changed to a 5800x and now server is consuming about the same, even a little more. Running ESXI (older version 6.0) with 5 VM (FreeNAS is one of them) that are idle most of the time. I tried every power saving setting in the BIOS but no luck.
@Zamsky39
9 ай бұрын
Ryzen is not very efficient at idle. Are your hdds spinning down when not in use?
@AuftragschilIer
9 ай бұрын
Put your drives into standby mode. My Haswell (Xeon E3 1231v3, which is pretty much the same to your i7's) is idling @14W from the wall with 5 HDD + 2 SSD and both NICs (2.5G, 1G) connected to different VLANs.
@TempleKa
9 ай бұрын
@@AuftragschilIer sadly my drives won't go into standby mode for some reason. Even If I set up standby to 5-10 min with/without spindown they don't. I'm not the only one with issues with FreeNAS. Saw other people not being able to put their HDD in standby.
@TempleKa
9 ай бұрын
@@AuftragschilIer well I finally managed to figure out why freenas was not spinning down my drives. Because of the jails that for some weird reason are on the pool. I really thought they were on the system drive but that doesn't even seem to be an option to move to. Once I stopped all jails the drives spun down (25W power reduction). Power usage is still around 50-60W but it's a step in the right direction. Have to put an extra small ssd for the jails now and figure out how to move them away from the pool.
@junkerzn7312
9 ай бұрын
I could get my old Haswell 4-bangers down to 30W or so. A modern full-build uATX motherboard w/APU is about the same. 30W. On the other-hand, mobile APU chipsets do much much better. I've had very good luck with NUC style form factors with both Intel and AMD. The AMD 3550H is a real workhorse and idled below 15W. And I have an old Intel NUC style machine (5+ years old) that runs 7W, and a modern Raspberry Pi 4 that also runs around 7W. However, at 7W the performance is really bad no matter even for basic tasks. The CPUs just can't burst long enough and you can feel it in the response latencies. Still, the RPI4 is able to Home Assistant and even though it can't really do a whole lot beyond simple data copying and automation, that is all Home Assistant really needs. For example, it can't transcode or archive the 10 security camera feeds, but it has no problem doing a streaming fan-out of the feeds to wall-mounted clients. It is also limited by a meager 4G of ram. Modern mobile APUs from both Intel and AMD at 15W do much, much better because they idle below 15W (10W is possible if you really try), and yet can burst to 30W which makes them very responsive, and you can hang a significant amount of ram and storage off of them all inside a small NUC style case. I finally settled on the 3550H APU in a NUC style form factor for non-compiling server-type stuff. I can fit 64GB of ram, one NVMe drive (1TB), one M.SATA drive (slot unused), and one 2.5" SATA drive (4TB) all inside, all SSDs. The whole thing runs roughly 15W when idle or under low loads and never gets above 25W. It can burst significant cpu power for a short period of time which makes it very responsive, and it has two ethernet ports. It can do very basic transcoding (repackaging mostly, though certainly not on 10 concurrent video feeds). I have three of them. One runs primary home functions (dns, mail, web serving, home media archive, routing, firewall, ntp/time, NFS/Samba exports, NAT... almost everything), the second handles repackaging and archiving feeds from 10 security cameras. And a third is the backup box which backs up all the filesystems for all the machines and handles staging to the off-site backup. And I still have the RPI4 handling the home alarm system (it fits in the alarm cabinet with its own backup battery). Bulk compiles are painful on these sorts of small boxes, but that's what workstations and larger pieces of metal are for... the threadripper, for example, burns 150W when idle and something like 300W going full out. But it doesn't need to be turned on 24x7. My office workstation with its dual 4K display is also running on a normal uATX mobo combo and eats around 30W, not to mention the monitors that eat 10W each when not blanked. I have tried many times to downsize it to NUC style or smaller and have failed every time. The mobile form factor is just too slow when you have to 4K screens and half a dozen chromium windows open with many tabs in each, plus video playback in at least one going (sometimes more than one). So my workstation needs to be able to burn 100W+ at times and no NUC form factor can handle that reliably. Basically any particular need has certain minimum resource requirements to be convenient and there are form factor and idle/nominal power consumption requirements which fit that need no matter how you twist it. -Matt
@lightsofbburg
9 ай бұрын
Great video! I learned a lot for my upcoming home server build. Thanks for doing this one!
@LinhNguyen-ev8wq
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. Are there any low power homelab forum community? I am just getting into it and would like to learn more.
@WolfgangsChannel
7 ай бұрын
This Unraid forums thread is pretty good, and has lots of tips (not just for Unraid) forums.unraid.net/topic/98070-reduce-power-consumption-with-powertop/
@Guishan_Lingyou
8 ай бұрын
As a person just starting to consider building some home network/server stuff, this information is very helpful.
@atomfriedfallout5503
9 ай бұрын
Just commenting to make that N100 video happening since I'm thinking about building a server with it.
@fanlessfurmark
9 ай бұрын
N100 = nvme epeen opportunity. Nice fanless desktop for web and basic office etc, some esports at low settings. Previous gen the 4125, is just as nippy and uses much less power
@deeproller666
5 ай бұрын
So a setup with a small cloud instance that is almost free, that gives the service 24/7 and spins up a worker machine when needed, would have great value. Any scripts for this type of setup?
@melaniezette886
9 ай бұрын
Thx for focusing on efficiency, as an amateur user this is essential.
@wesley00042
8 ай бұрын
I run my daily containers (Home Assistant, Frigate, RTL433, etc.) off a Lenovo laptop with a Sandy Bridge i7. It draws about 8 watts at idle and works well for what I need it for. It was $13 at a thrift store (plus $10 for a caddy to add a second SSD) and it would be hard to justify replacing it unless I was running much more substantial loads.
@KopfKino901
9 ай бұрын
Great video as usual :) Maybe you mentioned before, but which devices do you use to measure and log the power consumption ? I only know the ones with a display, didn't realise they could be connected to the home network as well. Thanks ! edit : found it actually by going back to your b-roll : looks like Shelly Plugs. Thanks for the video again, I was going to buy an N100 mini PC to upgrade my Pi4 based NAS with video decoding, but will probably build a proper rig with an i3 instead for expandability.
@nadtz
9 ай бұрын
There are a number of 'smart' plugs out there that can be connected to home assistant to monitor power draw from either the wall or a power brick but there's a lot of discussion as to whether or not they could handle the load from power hungry servers over time. A decent UPS will also let you monitor power draw via NUT which can also be monitored via home assistant. There are probably other options but those are the 2 I'm most familiar with.
@BrunodeSouzaLino
8 ай бұрын
A lot of people use the old reliable Kill-A-Watt, which just gives you a LED display readout of the power consumed at the socket.
@ManelRodero
9 ай бұрын
A video on energy efficiency with very interesting information, thank you very much for taking your time to provide all this data. I leave you some ideas for future videos: how to carry out measurements on equipment that we already have in use? What BIOS or kernel parameters can be useful to improve energy efficiency?
@AkosLukacs42
9 ай бұрын
Great content! One question: is there a good source for power related commands and tweaks? Or as a suggestion: could you make a video about the subject? :)
@ltshinta
5 ай бұрын
When does that spreadsheet get updated? It appears there is no way to see when it was last updated and depending on how old the information is, it may not be a great resource. If I am looking correctly, it has been updated in the last 4 months as I see reported specs in the thread the spreadsheet belongs to that are not reflected in the doc
@NietzscheanMan
9 ай бұрын
As somebody beginning to investigate homelabbing, what is missing in terms of info to me is actual build recommendations with modern and widely available components. People are usually referencing old stuff they picked up on ebay that is not being produced anymore etc. Some people don't have time to scour ebay-like sites hoping to pick something up from 5y ago or some obscure power supply to save 100$/€, and just want to know ok these components you can order anywhere and are good for low power draw and these typical use cases, etc. combined with these hdd's for this reason. Thanks for the content!
@anotherfellasaiditsnunya
9 ай бұрын
It's part of the learning process N-Man. Very few people have all of the answers you require because it doesn't make good content. AND your requirements will be unique: your budget/ skill set/ willingness to overcome setbacks/ tasks you need your server to do/ risk aversion/ etc. Keep looking through your favourite content creator's back catalogue for hints. Try Wolfgang's links
@laurelsporter
9 ай бұрын
The thing is, it's more like saving $1,000-10,000. New server and workstation stuff, even with tech that's a few years old, is expensive, *and* has gone up quite a bit over the last few years. The new ASRock Rack and Supermicro equivalents to some of these 3-5 year old servers are commonly $2500+, and can often be $700-1500 for the motherboards alone. I don't even mean the latest and greatest, either, but like Skylake and Kaby Lake based Xeons, and Goldmont Atoms, that Intel has kept pumping out. On top of that, there's always new stuff coming out every year, and older parts finally crashing in price. If you don't care about IPMI or ECC, 4th-7th gen Intel Pentium, Core, and Xeon E3, on basic motherboards, are good bets, with 8th to 10th gen exemptions for the Pentiums and i3s. 8th gen and up Intel can be OK, with a mini PC type business computer, or good luck. But, since they just kept making Skylake bigger and badder, to compete with Ryzen, results can vary a lot, with common desktop parts. FI, a lot of those later Skylake++ motherboards will have VRMs made to push many amps, that are awfully inefficient at idle, or with low-power CPUs. But, home desktops will tend to be off or in standby, so it was typically only a minor issue for the intended use case[2]. For newer stuff, the monolithic Ryzen 4000G(E) and 5000G(E) chips (note that only the Pro xx50G(E) ones support ECC), on newer B450[1], A520, or B550, are pretty good (also 6000 and 7000, in mini PCs and such). ASRock has good support for ECC, and x16 bifurcation, across their 500-series lineup, too (you can get x8/x8 risers, x4/x4/x4/x4 risers, or 4xm.2 cards, and use them on $75 boards). AMDs before Zen 2 (1xxx, 2xxx, and 3xxxG(E) CPUs), Ryzens with IO dies/chiplets (almost all 3000 and 5000 non-G models, with a few exceptions, like the 5500), and the X570 chipset (which *is* a 3000/5000 IO die), not so much, as the IO die will typically use 10+W, just sitting there. AMD's main weaknesses are firmware and software compatibility with popular virtualization feature sets, quality of FreeBSD hardware support, and not always knowing if you can run a given motherboard headless on a pre-7000 series non-G/H/U CPU. The more features, the harder it will be to save power, and many server-centric parts also make it harder (FI, some Intel NIC drivers, and the LSI HBA drvers, can disable ASPM, by default). Also, try to avoid most 2.5GbE NICs. The i226-v is supposed to be OK, but its predecessor, the i225-v, was hot garbage, and Realtek still has some chips with buggy Linux drivers. IMO, leave 2.5Gb stuff to Windows, if possible, and just take the plunge into 10GbE w/ SFP+, if you want more speed. If 16-64GB (but, some can take 96GB, now) max RAM, and little to no expansion, is OK, just get the tiny/micro form factor business PCs, with up to 10th gen Core CPUs. If you want real server features to play with, though, or a lot of add-on hardware, there is no easy solution on a budget. [1] But *generally* steer clear, as most were craptastic respins of craptastic B350/A320 designs, as the board makers didn't want to put real effort into early Ryzen boards. With a few exceptions, like the ASRock B550(M) Pro4s and Steel Legends (same basic boards, but the latter has more RGB), only the B450 boards that came out well after the Zen 2 (3500X and up) release are really worth it, just in general. And, it can take a little effort to tease that info out, whereas you can spend $10-20 more and get a 500 series board, instead. [2] One reason business PCs are better about this is that they don't usually get turned off, or go to sleep. Between Windows Update, and multiple levels of security software, trying to use a computer within the first half-hour of booting up will be painfully slow - yes, with nice SSDs in them all. Figure that you'll also have 20+ in any decent sized office, but maybe 100+, and that idle really matters.
@NietzscheanMan
9 ай бұрын
@@laurelsporter not talking about 10k setups for starting a homelab. But I don't think it would be a stretch to say this is what a 500$/€ budget gets you, this for 1k and this for 1,5k etc. These can be updated yearly based on what is available and still create a lot of content opportunity aside from that (e.g. buying off the shelf prebuilt system vs same budget but with 2nd hand components or same budget when you build it yourself with new components, etc.). Basically like many channels do with gaming pc's.
@maxarendorff6521
9 ай бұрын
Asrock N100DC ITX is a good, cheap and energy-efficient board (6-7w). Add 16gb of RAM, a cheap laptop power supply and the drives and case are determined by your use case and how much storage you need. Install your favourite Linux distro, run a few containers of your favourite apps and you're gtg.
@WolfgangsChannel
9 ай бұрын
I've been running my entire home network from a device with four i225-v (rev. 03) NICs for more than a year, not a single hiccup. YMMV.
@Rvby1
9 ай бұрын
Sorry if you've answered this elsewhere before, but how are you getting the data that you use for your really nice power consumption graphs? I'd be super interested in gathering some usage data for my homelab.
@samneill5590
9 ай бұрын
Looks like HomeAssistant with a powerplug connected to it
@WolfgangsChannel
9 ай бұрын
Grafana, Prometheus, Home Assistant and Shelly Plug S
@RaidOwl
9 ай бұрын
Excellent video…also I feel personally attacked lol
@TechnologyGeek862
9 ай бұрын
I would like to also see similar comparisons with older xeon processors that are cheap on ebay.
@simdevils
9 ай бұрын
Would defo want a video regarding the most efficient powerful system (like 16-20 cores)
@flonesbust
9 ай бұрын
" 550 Watts is not enough for a modern gaming system :) " So I'm running some old but premium bequiet 550 Watt PSU with a 5800X3D and a 4070. I did undervolt the GPU though but only because I am a sucker for efficiency, works fine on stock settings too. Great video, saving all the watts!!!
@fanlessfurmark
9 ай бұрын
seasonic calculator recommended their 450w models for an i3 12100f wit a 4060 8gb !!
@reinekewf7987
7 ай бұрын
ok yea TDP tells not much abut the cpu but you have to watch about the TDP if your cooling solution cant handle more and you do sometimes heavy load. i do some of this sometimes and my server is completely fanless and can handle only 45w and at burst load 60W but this only for 20sec then the whole pc case heats up to 65°C and plus. i have chosen the 5700g and set the TDP to 45w. the problem with the case is that the single HDD i have in is connected to the case and its heat gets also to a part in the case and if the case gets over 70°C the drive shuts down and if the temperature rises even more the data on the drive can be damaged. so i have to use a lower TDP because of that and my cpu use. for the most part my system idles like yours, but like you i have some really heavy tasks that max out the cpu and the cpu goes 100% on all cores. i do analytic stuff with weather data and do abit of keras magic and rendering and this needs power and those runs running for about 10h or more and every other task is in this time in pause so i have the full machine power. now i have a r630 for this becuse that runs are now 80h and need massive ram and storage. i do this particular task for my maker space i am in but i have private project that need some power and having my main server packed for hours is not ideal. so i start up my r630 only i have to because 130W idle and 570W at full load with all 44 cores 100% and all 8 ssd fully packed with writing and reading. i load much as i can in ram but i have only 768gb in this machine but i can only load 200gb each time because the rest of the ram i need for the program itself but with this machine i am able to do this in 3h instead of 80h. my 45w system needs in this time 3.6kwh and my r630 only 1.7kwh so it is way efficient as the smaller system but idle power is massive compared. so yea different use cases needs different solutions for the best efficency
@makerbymistake
9 ай бұрын
Pretty awesome video! I'm in the process of building a low power consumption system and I've just discovered your channel! Awesome work!
@Hoerli
9 ай бұрын
Aaaah 9:38 "Mythons Nummer fünf" :D
@popcorny007
9 ай бұрын
Just want to say how excited I am to see the ITX W680 video
@jonjohnson2844
9 ай бұрын
What about running on a DC power supply (like a laptop brick), I've no idea if it's possible, especially if there are a dozen hard drives, but would it be more efficient?
@LeminskiTankscor
9 ай бұрын
I've ran psus on laptop chargers and even some USB 20v phone chargers. They can be really efficient, just once you're within range
@thewhitefalcon8539
9 ай бұрын
It's possible. Not sure what the point is
@WolfgangsChannel
9 ай бұрын
Possible and doable with a PicoPSU, but definitely not with a dozen of hard drives. With that many HDDs, the spinup spike will probably be too much to handle, even for some ATX PSUs. That being said, PicoPSUs are usually more efficient than standard ATX PSUs, but also don't come with a lot of SATA/Molex plugs. So you'll either have to re-wire them yourself or use SATA splitters.
@thewhitefalcon8539
9 ай бұрын
@@WolfgangsChannel PicoPSU is just for 12V input to fulfill all the ATX motherboard voltages. All the other 12V lines should be connected to whatever is powering the PicoPSU. Since SATA also has 5V lines, maybe you can leech them off the PicoPSU or somewhere else because the big power draw should be 12V.
@JohnInnocentSmyth
Ай бұрын
can you tell us more about generating invoices in germany? How are you autmating the process using a server? So far the best I came up with is a python script that updates a LaTeX template based on a csv order list. Really curious how you are doing this
@whistler2000
8 ай бұрын
Chopped about 20watts off my 12400 system, changing a SF600 to an Intertech 120watt pico psu, you can do power supplies that are efficient at high and low load loads in the +94 range but it does cost to get to that place, the space industry has done that for years, but it comes at a cost on the price.
@LasstUnsSpielen
9 ай бұрын
Guten Rutsch :) Danke für so viele Videos dieses Jahr!
@-aexc-
9 ай бұрын
my server idles around 50w and I'm not sure how I can reduce it. I'm running a kabylake i5 (what I had laying around) and a couple of hardrives on debian. nothing seems to get it to go below c3 (no pcie cards are plugged in) (it's probably the motherboard
@its_fergi
9 ай бұрын
Stab in the dark, but do your drives spin down? If you're running unraid, make sure that you have a cache drive and your HHDs spin down. That way I get sub 30w with an old Haswell cpu and full atx motherboard.
@StudioGuitarra
9 ай бұрын
the 7600k draws about 40w idle so the extra 10w might be your hdd drives
@ytbone9430
9 ай бұрын
Try a Windows installation (maybe just to get a reference on what is possible). From my experience, Windows (Server) is hard to beat when it comes to power managing the board and devices. It can cut the power consumption of your system in half. Unfortunately, Linux drivers don't seem to be very good when it comes to low power (I guess). Also some Linux distributions might not have installed the correct GPU drivers for the system, in this case the GPU won't clock down or blank / switch of video ports when running "headless". I tested some Fujitsu Futro Thin-clients in this regard, Windows idle at 3.8W vs. Linux / Proxmox / Debian idle at around 7W e.g. This is quite a difference, if anybody has some tips on how to get Linux power consumption down, please post them. o) Correct GPU drivers are really important from my experience, a Windows 2019 Hyper-V Server, which does not accept the regular GPU drivers, will also eat significantly more power when idle, compared to a Windows (Server) with correct GPU drivers installed. There is HDMI Audio and maybe some other subsystem connected to the GPU as well, if these things don't get properly initialized and powered down, consumption is higher than needs to be.
@virgoil
9 ай бұрын
Might I enquire about the case with the fan in the front? What is it? I think I fell in love
@WolfgangsChannel
9 ай бұрын
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@pironiero
7 ай бұрын
a video about how you are using your home server would be nice cus you know,,, there is a lot of tech curious people that just don't know yet that they need a server
@QazCetelic
9 ай бұрын
I didn’t know about turbostat, very useful. Also does the power usage at 3:00 belong to the server shown at 7:41?
@ethernet01
9 ай бұрын
my low power home server solution was 2 RPI 4's (back when they could be had for 40USD) a few years later still running my home automation stuff with 100% uptime out of a pair of usb ports they also handle the DNS server load of a 10g network for my nas i currently have a single bay unit, although i may have to upgrade soon as its not enough to solve the external hdd problem so that may become a home server but most of the power consumption in my rack is the rest of the network equipment which totals up to 175w, the energy monitor calculates a 2.158kwh daily consunption other things are my gaming and website + service servers (not power monitored) which are all x86 pcs, they usually do 30w idle except for a few, but power is cheap where I live so I collect data just to put it in a chart
@Linde576
9 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this video! Production Quality as always on point! My system idle's around 40w. I have an i7-4790 that was gifted to me. Do you have any advice for me in the same Generation of cpu or should I go with a friend's advice and just buy a 11gen Intel Chip. ( I really really want AV1 Decoding ) Hope you have a great day!
@siontheodorus1501
9 ай бұрын
You really should know first about what are you going to use that for, if the 4790 is enough then use it. But if you really need new features from new hardware, then you can upgrade. 4790 should be strong enough for general computing and gaming, let alone a home server. Tho i guess some undervolting is good since it can draw some power under load
@danknemez
8 ай бұрын
Awesome video! This will be great to post around to people as I commonly see a lot of those myths said out there... Also have to say it is quite amusing to discover this channel just as I'm about to deploy a Threadripper as my new home server... :D
@Grishanof
9 ай бұрын
Preach it, brother. People always make big eyes at the thought of having an extra box in the corner as it will eat 500 watts 24/7, when in reality it won't be more expensive than having a freezer or a porch lighting. The difference in monthly fees is not even in double digits.
@kosmasan1
9 ай бұрын
You are absolutely right about the importance of idle power consumption due to the 24/7 nature of homelab server. I am searching a long time for this and as you said no other tech tuber presents this issue. I want to build a homelab server with 16 drives working with unraid for power efficiency, but I am concerned about the initial boot power draw of all the drives concurrently if I use a low power psu. I don't know any consumer motherboard that starts hard disks one after the other and I only find high wattage atx psus that support so much amperage at start. Have you investigated the concurrent draw of multiple disks and its effect on the psu?
@Tr1pke
8 ай бұрын
What pc case are you using for the 8 drives in your home server?
@GadgetFreek
9 ай бұрын
Unrelated question, which macbook are you using in the background in the desk setup?
@ikkuranus
9 ай бұрын
Is that really a fair comparison between the I3 CPUs? The Skylake is 2c4t where as the Aldorlake is 4c8t. If anything a Skylake I7 should be used since it has similar core/thread counts.
@WolfgangsChannel
9 ай бұрын
In my testing, theres very little difference in the idle power consumption between processor SKUs of the same generation
@nadiro
8 ай бұрын
I didn't expect you to speak french at the Myth n6 hahaha good job
@slainiae
8 ай бұрын
Hi Wolfgang. Many people probably don't need a NAS for their setup, but probably instead need a DAS. Can you recommend a DAS solution to provide redundancy and protect data?
@justinwinterhoff9333
9 ай бұрын
Very informative, Thank You!
@DennisMarwood
8 ай бұрын
Thoughts on someone who wants to do some light gaming on their "server"? I have an 10 y/o intel that works fine still. But it also requires a gpu for the occasional gaming. I am wondering if an upgrade to a ryzen (8500g?) and ditching the gpu would be a savings.
@accesser
9 ай бұрын
Amazing research man great work Thanks for all the videos in 2023
@ajayganeshie1857
9 ай бұрын
Sir Wolfgang, Thank you for this video! I have a question what do you mean with scanning documents? Because i use a snapscan ix1600, could u elaborate? Thank you and happy new year! Ajay
@WolfgangsChannel
9 ай бұрын
I use Paperless to consolidate my scanned documents into a searchable database
@jamegumb7298
9 ай бұрын
8:55 Depends on the software used. Look up the benches. But say that is fact 100% of the time: the apple you (ajnd half the world) seems overly fond of, is not just an M1 chip. It is a cpu, gpu, _and_ operating system sold as a package. If Intel sold a chip that has their own os perfectly suited to their hardware only, I bet you can see insane gains. Google can do the same (and is working on it). Then MS has to come up with their own and then you have the situation where you must buy into one of the ecosystems with their own payment system, their own app store, their own everything. Seems pretty bad to me.
@TheSimonarne
7 ай бұрын
you can also be power limited not just temperature limited when undervolting you can fix one of those maybe both if you are super unlucky
@greatwavefan397
9 ай бұрын
How do power efficiency approaches differ when building a game server?
@siontheodorus1501
9 ай бұрын
I guess pretty much the same. Probably need a little bit faster cpu than normal home server. Unless you want cloud gaming which is a different thing, since that will require a gpu.
@FaithyJo
7 ай бұрын
I will do this one: you can usually scoop a better deal on large memory lots (64 G+) of ECC than non ECC. So why not?
@WolfgangsChannel
7 ай бұрын
I'll paste my reply to another comment Costs as in ECC vs. non ECC RAM sticks? Sure. Registered ECC memory is actually even a lot cheaper than non-ECC, because it's only supported on HEDT/server platforms. Costs as in actually building a system that supports ECC? That's a bit more complicated. In a homelab environment, you often have to balance power consumption, the overall size of your system, and other features that you might not need in an enterprise/DC environment (e.g. hardware video transcoding). Building just any kind of system with ECC is easy. Building a compact, power efficient system with QuickSync and ECC that doesn't cost an arm and a leg is harder. So yes, ECC is great to have, but it's not indispensable in a homelab environment. Most of us don't run mission critical services for thousands of people which lose us money the minute they're down.
@FUSSSEL
8 ай бұрын
The ASRock H610M-HDV doesn't have an M.2 slot, so your example shown at 11:27 wouldn't work.
@finwo
9 ай бұрын
If you don't need a whole bunch of power for things like sata drives, I've had good results regarding efficiency just getting an industrial 12V PSU and strapping a PicoPSU to it. Only an option if you're willing to either work with mains wiring or have a 12V laptop brick lying around, but those usually have pretty good efficiency at lower wattages due to stricter regulations than desktop PSUs.
@thewhitefalcon8539
9 ай бұрын
If all you're doing is wiring a power cord onto an industrial PSU's screw terminals it's not even that scary.
@finwo
9 ай бұрын
@@thewhitefalcon8539 True, it was more of an obligatory warning than a comment about serious mains wiring project, but it's still mains wiring for which you need to ensure everything is correct and you know what you're doing before you plug it in or touch it afterwards.
@laurelsporter
8 ай бұрын
You can get such PSUs that take wider voltage ranges, too, making 16V and 19V/20V bricks viable.
@finwo
8 ай бұрын
@@laurelsporter True, but those usually have lower wattages and make it harder to hard-wire extra connectors to devices if you need more power than the plug supports.
@pablopoo
8 ай бұрын
HDD always on or spind-down vs power consumption and wear.
@Artax8787
7 ай бұрын
Extremely interesting video. But I've a question. You always speak about a idel home server. But what do you think about a pc that works as DVR? It process image and video all the time? For example person or facial recognition? The system is never in idle mode and the performance for watt is the most important parameter.
@WolfgangsChannel
7 ай бұрын
It depends on how resource-intensive the load is. A lot of servers offload things like facial recognition to a TPU device (like Google Coral), so it might not be as intensive as you might think. I would look at htop and see what the average load and CPU load look like
@Artax8787
7 ай бұрын
I'm using blue iris. My was only an example. In my case, I don't use facial recognition, but only person recognition. Is use a mini pc with a i7 10510u and the CPU is always between 80 and 100%. The max consumption of this CPU is 25W ,mesured with hwinfo (nominal tdp is 15W). Mi entire mini pc consumes around 50-55W! I'm looking for a cpu with more efficency to reduce power consumption and increase the performance. Now the recognition takes about 3 seconds. But the good time should be less than 1 sec!
@WolfgangsChannel
7 ай бұрын
I would definitely look into getting a Google Coral TPU. I've heard that these are very efficient at things like facial recognition and a lot of people using Blue Iris and Frigate are getting them for their builds
@Artax8787
7 ай бұрын
@@WolfgangsChannel thank you a lot! Is the first time I hear about Frigate and Google coral. I look for more information on the web. Thank you again!
@SEOng-gs7lj
9 ай бұрын
Is there a video to configure our system to idle at c6?
@sjukfan
9 ай бұрын
11:11 Suddenly I got the urge to get a 2U case and put a Raspberry Pi in it. Because I'm a silly person.
@zhihaolooi8894
9 ай бұрын
I recently found out 12vo psu actually more power efficient than conventional atx at idle, tested the same i5 6400t with two hp oem machines, one of them using a atx psu, another one(800g3 sff) using propriety 12v psu, 6-8w vs 22w from the wall while running powertop.
@Winnetou17
8 ай бұрын
Holy moly, that's quite the difference!
@matthiashavrez
9 ай бұрын
I clikcked on the 6th myth and I was pretty surprised when you started talking french xD
@jothain
9 ай бұрын
Good vid. I've wondered for couple years that why the hell people are so hellbent on TDP figures. Imo it's virtually completely meaningless figure for almost all users.
@siontheodorus1501
9 ай бұрын
Well it is somewhat a rough figure to know how much wattage it will take and how hot it will be, under full load.
@jothain
9 ай бұрын
@@siontheodorus1501 Well it's not even that. How much it roughly creates heat, maybe. But even then it really doesn't give any indication about how much your system will pull out of wall and that's the figure that actually counts. Also it's worth noting that Intel and AMD even calculate it differently, so it's essentially a figure that doesn't tell anything to end user. Seriously, how many of us run our CPU 100% for all the time? It's insanely niche group of users that the TDP is usable figure. Most certainly not homelabbers.
@satyarsh665
9 ай бұрын
Not meaning less when it comes to chosing a CPU cooler
@jothain
9 ай бұрын
@@satyarsh665 to me it is absolutely useless in hl use
@totoro1596
9 ай бұрын
what 10G card do you use that allows C6 state?
@WolfgangsChannel
9 ай бұрын
Intel X710
@agw5425
8 ай бұрын
What about a phone cpu, they are made for very low power use even att full load?
@jamegumb7298
9 ай бұрын
7:50 There kinda are, but it is a €1250 SBC. Wait: That 800 buck is cheap though.
@jt_hopp
9 ай бұрын
Mythos Nummer Fünf!
@peternungesser8971
9 ай бұрын
Ich frage mich bei jedem Wolfgang Video, ob er nicht mal ein Video auf deutsch machen kann ;)
@cvx10
9 ай бұрын
Your videos are great! Thanks!
@Anuitu2u
9 ай бұрын
At this point, Wolfgang became The founder of homelab "power efficiency" CULT. Emm, maybe not the pioneer, but you can him a GURU now.😅
@siontheodorus1501
9 ай бұрын
What is the heaviest apps/service that people usually run on their homelab server?
@thewhitefalcon8539
9 ай бұрын
Probably Plex for a lot of people
@tlrg2
9 ай бұрын
Grüße, Wolfgang. Ich möchte dich gern auf das Board N100M hinweisen, welches einen N100 verlötet hat und dennoch 2 PCIe Slots bietet. Ja, diese rennen nicht x16 fach, sind aber prima für 6x Sata Karten geeignet. Weiterhin hat es den normalen Stromanschluss, welcher ein Netzteil erlaubt, das genug SATA Anschlüsse hat (mein Versuch mit 5x HDD + Pico PSU ist... schwierig). Kleiner Hinweis: Alle N100 Consumerboards (es gibt nur 3) haben jeweils einen Ramslot, der jedoch gern auch 32gb frisst, auch wenn es anders dokumentiert ist. Dennoch rennt auf dem Ding ein Unraid mit NVME Cache, 5 HDD, 23 Docker Containern und das härteste was die CPU stemmt ist Plex. Transcoding auf dem Teil läuft prima. Ich bin völlig zufrieden!
@8bit239
9 ай бұрын
Wo finde ich dieses Board und wie ist der Idle Watt Verbrauch ?
@anonapache
9 ай бұрын
Did you consider the used ATX standard of the psu you used for the Skylake vs Alderlake idle power consumption? There could be a difference if you use the newest ATX standard for the Alderlake build, due to advanced power management features.
@cho4d
9 ай бұрын
is 12vo power supply an inherant efficiency win? my hp 290 g2 has a 180 watt 12vo power supply gold rated and with no sata devices idles at 3 watts so it must be pretty decent!
@fanlessfurmark
9 ай бұрын
yes, 12v will always win because they've evolved for laptop battery life. atx psu evolved for general purpose personal computing i.e. gaming and workstationary etc
@laurelsporter
9 ай бұрын
No, but it saves a lot of copper, compared to old ATX.
@laurelsporter
9 ай бұрын
@@fanlessfurmark the computer in question *is* a general purpose computer, and 12VO is here for workstations, servers, and gaming rigs. It's just slow to be adopted in the DIY PC world, understandably. Many existing ATX modular PSUs are ATX12VO compatible, usually with an adapter (my desktop's would be CP-8920272, FI).
@yannicbrose
4 ай бұрын
...cost an arm... That got me 🙈😆
@netroy
9 ай бұрын
1:55 where is the sabnzbd container 😅
@Anuitu2u
9 ай бұрын
2:18 anyone, can you show me any article, videos or tutorial to achieve this S3 management? You can spare me with assuming I'm a novice. I've experimented with 2nd Gen, 7th gen, a xeon server, but still can't get what I want. the 7100T still draw 30W before and after. The same with 2395T
@mgsystems596
5 ай бұрын
I have Atom D230 (45 nanos technology for 2007 😂) with 4 watts TDA consumption running Debian Boorkworm Samba server files - I chosed this processor just foto TDA - other low consumtions motherboard I use are some with AMD C70 - AMD E1-2100 - Celeron j1900 Quad Core - Celeron j3150 processors - always thinking 10 watts maximum - I don't have hardware to check the real consumption- I just assume that Specs are real 😅
@Slate245Ivanovo
9 ай бұрын
Very nice and informative video, especially for someone who prepares to build his first NAS. Great to see the quality of your content improving, and I'm really glad I've found your channel. You are a constant source of inspiration and entertainment. Thank you for that! С наступающим Новым Годом, Вольфганг!
@DavinderKundi
9 ай бұрын
Another great video! You explain things really well and taught me a few new things too, and yes birds are real 😂
@denvera1g1
9 ай бұрын
12:56 The one area where laptop CPUs seem to always beat desktop CPUs in efficiency seems to be AMD APUs, and i mean APUs, not desktop CPUs in a laptop BGA socket, there is just something about the chiplet architecture that requires more power draw especially when you're not looking at full load. This means the 7945HX is likely just as efficient as the 7950X if you clock them the same on the same hardware this is because they are effectively the same processor, just in a different package. But a 7940HX would likely beat out a 7700X in efficiency as long as the 7940HX is not starved of cache(has 1/2 the cache per core compared to the 7700x, also i think it has 4-8 fewer PCIe lanes) Take my 5700G vs my 5600X In the same board the 5700G can idle at 15% lower power draw at the socket with quite literally all the same hardware, and then if you take out the GPU its even better system wide reduction(getting rid of the GPU to free up PCIe slots was the main reason i switched my recording server over to a 5700g, didnt realise how much it would reduce power usage). I dont remember where i read it but someone said that the picojoule per bit could be 5x more energy expensive under certain loads on AMD's chiplet desing, but that may have been talking about their chiplet based GPUs with the cache being located off-die.
@denvera1g1
9 ай бұрын
Of note, while AMD APUS are generally more efficient, they can be less efficient if they are tasked with something that needs alot of CPU cache, as AMD APUS seem to all have 1/2 the L3 cache of their chiplet based counterparts, this means tasks that could be run within cache on a chiplet CPU, now have to run out to RAM and back on a monolithic APU.
@WolfgangsChannel
9 ай бұрын
True! That's a really good observation. The AMD APUs are based on a monolith design, which is also used in the laptop chips.
@laurelsporter
9 ай бұрын
@@denvera1g1 Not all. Zen and Zen 2 ones mostly had 1/4 the L3.
@denvera1g1
9 ай бұрын
@@laurelsporter How have i not noticed my 4750G has 1/4th the cache of my 3700x
@denvera1g1
9 ай бұрын
@@laurelsporter Zen1 and Zen+ were both 1/2 the cache per core, with the 2400G having 1/2 the cache of the 1200-1400, and the 3400G having 1/2 the cache of the 2500x But i did not notice that the 4700G/4750G were 1/4th the cache of the 3700x This explains why the 5700G is so much faster than 4700g in some use cases, and why the 4700g is more sensitive to memory overclocking.
@ngtongwu
9 ай бұрын
Interested to learn how to ingest the data from different systems into Grafana? Can you point me to a website/ guide to start?
@oxfordsparky
8 ай бұрын
Not all modern processors are so efficient, for example for my ryzen 5950x is idling right now in windows at 1% usage and according to HWinfo the package power is 48W where as the E5-2660 V4 in my cctv server is currently sat at 5% usage and 32W
@WolfgangsChannel
8 ай бұрын
True, AMD's chiplet CPUs are a bit of an exception from the rule :)
@XashA12Musk
9 ай бұрын
This video is all i needed to know
@ytdlgandalf
9 ай бұрын
you got me at myth3, my blood was boiling in
@edhahaz
9 ай бұрын
Great content. Really answering a lot of questions in this niche.
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