Jan Beta's KZitem channel - home of the best recapping montage music in the biz. Let's go! 😄
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Erin! :D The music is by Focus 10 who used to do stuff for the Amiga demo scene. Links in the video description. I love his music and he provides it for free to use in my videos. :)
@SledgeFox
5 жыл бұрын
Yes the music was great!
@dawsonaaron3260
3 жыл бұрын
i guess I am pretty randomly asking but do anyone know of a good site to stream newly released tv shows online?
@damianwezzterman9218
4 жыл бұрын
I have a soft spot for Commodore Computers. Starting in 1982 my family didn't own a non-Commodore computer till 1996. While we never owned a 16, I will always love Commodore.
@steven-vn9ui
5 жыл бұрын
I like your approach, Jan. You clearly have great knowledge re electronics but you don't take yourself too seriously. You also seem to have fun which is good to see. I really enjoy your content buddy. Take care from the UK :)
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Steven! :D
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Steven! :D
@starfleet-verdadero9808
5 жыл бұрын
Congratulations !! This computer was my first computer... Thanks for this excellent video :)
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It's an intresting machine for sure. :)
@ljelley1
5 жыл бұрын
I would really like to build a c64 in one of those black breadbin cases with grey keys. Great job as always. Looking forward to the commercials.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The C64 should mostly fit except you have to cut out some more holes in the back for the ports. :)
@Eremon1
5 жыл бұрын
Imagine opening up your Commedore and seeing it was signed by Jan. That would be pretty darn cool!
@budandbean1
5 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying watching these Jan, thank you! Buddy
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Buddy! :)
@davidmetlesits972
5 жыл бұрын
My first Commodore restoration was a C16. Not as extensive as yours. But I was watching your channel, and some others, and it gave me the idea to do it.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Nice! Always glad to hear my videos are inspiring retro restorations! :)
@pwissink1
5 жыл бұрын
Another nice restoration video of a iconic computer. Each time you learn new things. Danke Jan. 🤗
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Freut mich. :)
@stefanocrespi5424
5 жыл бұрын
I am particularly fond of this computer cause it was my first. I have two and both 64k modded, jiffyed, recapped and heatsinked. I did also repleaced the old voltage regulator with a dc-dc converter you used on a c64 some time ago, i really recommend that mod cause it drastically reduce heat and current consumption. Nearly 350mA in operating mode. I used recom R-78B5.0-1.5L, remember to remove R10 as well.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
It is a worthwhile machine for sure! I'm definitely going to do the dc-dc and 64k mods soon, too. Thanks for the heads up!
@stefanocrespi5424
5 жыл бұрын
@@JanBeta in that video please include at the end your gameplay of the best 64games developed for the 264 seriesa, majesty of sprites, pets rescue and adventure in time
@ernestospinoza5386
Жыл бұрын
Awesome! You make me happy again ;) The Fire Ant was the first game that I hacked, the monitor function of C16 made these hacks easy. I just put FF hex in right memory area and could finally finish this annoying game ;)
@JanBeta
Жыл бұрын
Oh, Fire Ant is brilliant! I had only played the C64 version before (which I loved) but the C16/Plus4 version is way better even! :)
@lazydave7464
5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic again!, I've recently done 3 Plus4's, considering I didn't have much to do the the TED machines back in the day, I've managed to get a couple C16 in need of some TLC so they are on the list of restorations :-) thanks for the awesome vid again, some good pointers there!
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Best of luck with your restorations! :)
@SledgeFox
5 жыл бұрын
Just want to say thank you very much!
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Oh, thank YOU! :D
@zxkim8136
5 жыл бұрын
Great Vlog Jan you have a nice C16 😀😀😀 Kim 😀😀😀
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! :D
@ScarredRealist
5 жыл бұрын
When you say "Farad" your "normal" way, I can't help but think of 47 little bicycles going down the street .. (for anyone who doesn't know what I'm going on about - translate "fahrrad" from German to English..) :)
@silkwesir1444
5 жыл бұрын
Yes... what's wrong with Mikrofahrrad... those are the little folding ones, I assume ;)
@GazMarshall
5 жыл бұрын
Great video Jan, keep up the good work! 👍
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gaz! :)
@DomedagsPoeten
5 жыл бұрын
Nice video (as always). About the cap that still have parts of the plunger i side, I have managed to drill that out and reuse the cap on a C64 keyboard that i first messed up with. I just drilled at the center, and then it came out easily.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Good to know about the way for keycap resurrection. Might try that, too. It seems you can get 3D printed spare plungers, too. What a time to be alive. ;)
@Anangelspath
5 жыл бұрын
I had C16 (no more) in mid 80s, loved it, recently got another one, works fine until turned off or reset, then goes black screen (98% of the time) or garbled text or ML monitor. Replaced PLA chip, same thing. Wanted to program on this thing but don't trust it even if replaced all chips, weren't all (TED,CPU) defective? Is there a viable alternative like FPGA to the TED and CPU? Or should I just replace with Rasp PI and EMUL software using case and keyboard? Hate the last alternative but don't want this thing becoming a money pit. Thoughts? Thumbs up.
@blackterminal
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Spock said "it's 1 point something Captain"
@redhawk668
5 жыл бұрын
Würth is also a good brand of capacitors and they have a nice red color 😊
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yes! The red ones look and work great.
@miRaxTiPa
5 жыл бұрын
You can apply a little bit of thermal paste in between the small coolers to improve the thermal conductivity.
@deamondeathstone1
5 жыл бұрын
And that's why you read the comments, just to check if somebody said the same thing wanted to say.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, makes sense. I'll try that the next time I apply those heatsinks.
@JamesPotts
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, otherwise there's no good path from the chip die to the outer heatsinks.
@CJ-rf9jm
5 жыл бұрын
The NTSC 16's did have a channel selector. Channels 3 or 4 were the choices which was standard on pretty much anything that connected to TV rf inputs back in the 80s
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the confirmation. The channel switches are pretty common on PAL C64s but it seems they left it out on the C16 for some reason (probably cutting cost?).
@CJ-rf9jm
5 жыл бұрын
@@JanBeta Yeah probably cost reductions Commodore was known for that from what I've seen.
@chrisrobson8540
4 жыл бұрын
seems to be lots of room in there for a small modern case fan.......always wondered if this was a viable option for the 64
@DeathMetalDerf
4 жыл бұрын
I'm 100% sure that good old Mike Faraday would be OK with a slight mispronunciation, and considering he's English, and the English language makes about as much sense as a one-legged bobcat trying to bury a turd on a frozen pond, I think you'll be OK! Thanks for the entertaining and informative videos!
@elfenmagix8173
5 жыл бұрын
The 6502 in the PET, Vic20 and C64 ran at 1MHz, but the Plus4 and C16 their CPU ran at 2MHz; similar in speed to the Atari which ran over 1.78MHz. This the Plus 4C16 was a bit better on 3D Games than the C64. That extra boost in speed, takes power and shortens chip's life. This is why you would need heatsinks on the Plus4/C16 more than on the C64 or Vic20.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, the CPU runs particularly hot in the 264s. Definitely needs proper heat sinking. :)
@blackterminal
4 жыл бұрын
Old plasma TVs will give you long heatsinks. They're just a bit tall without modification
@andrewlittleboy8532
5 жыл бұрын
When I re-capped the rd modulators in my Plus 4's the picture quality improvement was dramatic. The text had lots of ghosting before but was crystal clear afterwards when using RF or Composite! The caps only measured 5uf when they should have been 10uf.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Oh, interesting. My guess after trying would have been that the RF modulator doesn't affect the composite/s-video out. But maybe it does generate the composite signal after all. I used s-video for the output.
@datort
5 жыл бұрын
If you use these small heatsinks instead of one large block, would it be useful to put thermal paste between them to transfer the heat a bit more amongst them or doesn't this makes any sense at all?
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, good idea. Might try that next time. I'm going to use more of the larger heatsinks in the future though.
@MechWizzard
5 жыл бұрын
Are you going to upgrade it to 64K?
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yes! #Comingsoon
@gower1973
5 жыл бұрын
How are you getting a video signal from the C16 to the LCD, is it C16 to scart, then some sort of upscaler with hdmi output?
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly. I'm using a RetroTINK 2X that I recently got as an upscale to HDMI. The s-video cable from the C16 to the upscaler is the same one I use for my C64s.
@MariaEngstrom
5 жыл бұрын
Some years ago I tried to "restore" a C128 that a column of keys did not work on, I dismantled the keyboard and assumed the black carbon was like dirt/corrosion, so I took my dremel with a polishing wheel and some rubbing compound and polished it away on all the pads. DERP! :( It later turned out to be a broken CIA chip. I have bought conductive paint but never come around to fix it - I kinda semi-deny it ever happen to myself because I feel so stupid doing it. Since then I have tried to learn a few things before engaging. :))
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Uh, I read up on it before I restored my first C64 keyboard, otherwise I would probably have done the exact same... You can probably fix it with a carbon conductive paint. Might be worth it for a nice C128... ;)
@TimToolman
5 жыл бұрын
Would the video port not work with the rf module removed?
@esshahn
5 жыл бұрын
Correct
@danielmantione
5 жыл бұрын
The S-video signal will still work, but the composite signal is generated inside the RF-modulator and thus you would no longer have composite video.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Ah, that makes sense. So I'd probably see an improvement in video quality for the composite signal but the s-video signal stays the same.
@skjerk
5 жыл бұрын
Love your choice of music. How do you search for music for use in your videos?
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I don't have to search much, Focus 10 provided his music for free use on my channel as a kind of donation. I love his stuff and use it for most of my videos now. (Links to his tracks are in the video description in case you are interested!)
@BocaRetroGames
5 жыл бұрын
C16 FTW!
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Haha, thanks Boca!
@RetroRecollections
5 жыл бұрын
Nice job, I really need to future proof mine. I have added heatsinks for now lol
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Heat sinks are the most important part by far, I think. Those ICs sure get hot! :)
@silkwesir1444
5 жыл бұрын
You misplaced your isopropanol spray bottle too, huh? Mine turned up at a place where I was certain I had looked before... maybe some little gremlins are moving them around :D
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Isoprogremlins? I'm scared now! (I actually found my bottle, left it in the car where I used it to try and clean some contacts...)
@djblackarrow
5 жыл бұрын
The temperature resistance of a capacitor is only important if the ambient temperatures also reach approximately the same values. I do not think this Commodore C16 comes close to 85 or 105 ° C inside the case. So it's actually total nonsense to install capacitors for higher temperatures. But it's everyone's own decision. I would give the fixed voltage regulator additional suppression capacitors and smoothing capacitors. Thus, the expensive Commodore IC's are likely to get a little less ripple and produce less heat loss. Take a look at the supply voltage of the ICs with an oscilloscope - how clean or dirty the voltage is. Such a voltage regulator ideally has at least two capacitors: 0.33μF between + Vin and GND, and 0.1μF between + Vout and GND - and both as close to the regulator as possible. The 0.1μF capacitor at the output is very important for the transient response of the regulator. Especially in the supply of digital IC's should be paid special attention. If the capacitor is selected incorrectly or not exists, then the voltage regulator can not react fast enough to the load changes. A voltage regulator must react quickly to keep the supply voltage within its required limits. The transient response is a performance parameter that should not be underestimated. I would also give the regulator a slightly larger heat sink. I think your RF-Module has these connections: (Pin1=RF connector), Pin2=Audio in, Pin3=+5/9V, GND (Case), Pin4=Sync+Lum in, Pin5=Color in, Pin6=Color Out, Pin7=Comp out, Pin8=Sync+Lum out. Comp out, Sync+Lum out and Color out goes to the Female Audio/Video DIN connector. So the RF-Module only generates the RF Signal and the composite Signal for the DIN-Connector.
@SaintKaede
5 жыл бұрын
Always love watching people do this sort of thin' to preserve these computers, clean case board and leak free. Good as always Jan! Ich habe eine Frage, die ich gerne über die Zukunftssicherheit alter Computer stelle, also werde ich Sie fragen. Was halten Sie vom Ersetzen der kleinen Scheibenkondensatoren in einigen dieser alten Computer?
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks you SaintKaede! :) Die Scheibenkondensatoren halten normalerweise sehr lange und müssen nicht ersetzt werden. Ich ersetze sie nur, wenn an ihnen äußere Schäden zu sehen sind.
@SaintKaede
5 жыл бұрын
@@JanBeta Das macht Sinn, danke.
@nihushu8748
5 жыл бұрын
Actually it's easier to desolder components from mid 80's boards because back then you could use solder with PB for mass production. Of course it's not good for health but it's easier to melt. Nowadays firms can't use PB so it's harder to desolder
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's definitely one of the reasons. On older Commodore boards it doesn't help much because the PCB quality is a lot worse.
@nihushu8748
5 жыл бұрын
@@JanBeta I have 3 Commodore PETs and it's ain't that bad
@adrianrobinson3268
5 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos very much. Is it important to watch the ads completely to help or do we need to click on them or both? If it helps, I would also be willing to watch more ads to see your content.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Oh, thanks for asking. I'm still new to the whole advertising thing but as far as I understand it, KZitem counts the ads you WATCH, so no need to click on anything. If you watch the ad I get a tiny amount of money.
@azariayehezkel9064
5 жыл бұрын
Got it Fire ant
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yes! ;)
@kibawolf2501
5 жыл бұрын
persoanlly i still use RF on a +4, jsut because im too lazy to buy a composit cable
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Haha, good point. I guess there are some people still using the RF out. I have a late 70s TV here that I would also use RF on simply because it doesn't have other inputs. ;)
@JmChannel25
5 жыл бұрын
Hello Jan. 🙂 Where is your anti static wrist strap connected?
@Raphipod
5 жыл бұрын
JM_Denmark He wears it like a watch. If you pause at 2:30, you can see it.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
It's connected to a mains ground through my bench multimeter.
@TzOk
5 жыл бұрын
Chip inside a plastic DIL case is just about 7x7 mm, and placed in the center. Placing heatsinks aside is completely pointless, they are "cooling" just the plastic case. This plastic (resin?) the case is made of isn't a good thermal conductor at all. So if heatsink is about to be of any use, it should be placed exactly on the center of the case, directly above the chip. The bigger heatsink is, is better, but placing additional ones aside has no effect on cooling the chip at all. It's kind of fashion among retro youtubers, but I guess these are good intentions, but lack of technical knowledge.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
You are probably right. The heat sinks on the sides get warm, too, so they at least take some heat away from the chip (which isn't bad even if it's just heat spreading to the sides of the IC) I guess. As I said in the video, I'm going to go with larger (fitting) heat sinks in the future. Btw, somebody suggested adding thermal compound between the small heatsinks. Might be a bit of a (crude) workaround, too.
@strunapl6103
5 жыл бұрын
OMG OMG Fire Ant... yet another my favorite game on my C=116 after Punchy and Kickstart.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's a brilliant game! C16 version looks better than on the C64, too!
@dreamvisionary
5 жыл бұрын
The other reasons that the RAM may fail could be because you don't wear an antistatic wrist strap when you touch them ;)
@kirkespoke2648
5 жыл бұрын
Nice ! Jan
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! :)
@tenminutetokyo2643
2 жыл бұрын
TSR-1 2450..............
@josephnealescratchcards
5 жыл бұрын
👍❤️
@azariayehezkel9064
5 жыл бұрын
Whats the name of the game in end of video?
@tiger1x
5 жыл бұрын
fire ant
@spokehedz
5 жыл бұрын
Poor Regulator being beaten up for no reason. ;D
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sorry little regulator. (I'm probably going to replace it with a DC-DC converter sometime... hope it's going to take that well).
@hansmaier3689
5 жыл бұрын
Was soll der Stern?
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Ist nur so eine Gewohnheit, glaube ich. Ich male gerne Sterne und habe immer einen neben Jan Beta gemalt, wenn ich irgendwo so unterschreibe.
@RobertEliason
5 жыл бұрын
If you don't have a donor keyboard, I can recommend 3D-printing a new stem: www.thingiverse.com/thing:2097523 Worked great :)
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, good idea! Thanks for the link. :)
@RobertEliason
5 жыл бұрын
@@JanBeta no problem Jan :)
@blackswan7292
5 жыл бұрын
First Comment :)
@InsaneWayne355
5 жыл бұрын
Once again, way to much rambling which makes the whole video unnecessarily long.
@JanBeta
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, sometimes I talk too much. There's a lot of info in there as well but I could have edited out a lot more rambling.
@dreamvisionary
5 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I don't mind the rambling and I think this is part of Jan Beta's character. If this was edited down to a purely technical video of changing capacitor and fitting heatsinks etc., I don't think I would watch it.
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