thanks to Caedrel, he gave me the confidence to play illaoi adc and start roaming lvl 1
@nabkill0134
Ай бұрын
He doesn't care if it's bad cos he will not see it in his game lol. It's easy to say "that cool strat my man" then you play with it then you hate your life.
@vlbluu124
Ай бұрын
@@nabkill0134 but he is right though, how can people find new strats and new ways to play if everyone cries when someone tries something new ?
@paulpotter9833
Ай бұрын
@@vlbluu124 why should I lose lp because someone is so eager to try something new? As neme said, it works to some extent, yasuo jngl gonna work in plat, so what? The way high elo works is completely different. You can try something new as much as you want, but let it happen in normals
@nikg7126
Ай бұрын
@@vlbluu124 if you go to iwdominate's video he has a good point for that argument. riot actively refuses to allow these new strats, hence why they nerfe every single deviation of the norm, cause that is not how they want the game to be played. baus strat was nerfed, yi+taric was nerfed, plates were added against perma roaming and so on
@vlbluu124
Ай бұрын
@@nikg7126 yeah but those players that have a unique strat continue to play their strat even after nerfs, that's why baus still plays sion to this day, and other OTPs / unique players continue. Some people play to have fun and their fun is playing their way
@OutshineUwU
Ай бұрын
Played against Bardinette in my Master promo game once at the end of the season, thanks to him I got a free win :D
@Foyahxd
Ай бұрын
yea that guy needs to be perma'd
@vprotoniic8149
Ай бұрын
Playes vs him once. He died lvl1 botside, he died 3 times toplane. He was 0/4 at 5min. Enemy Jungle and bot went afk. Totally understandable.
@killuafan4365
Ай бұрын
I had to reread, i though you won with him. Gratz on masters.
@gammie8191
Ай бұрын
He’s 54% WR
@Foyahxd
Ай бұрын
@@gammie8191 Doesnt change the fact that he makes the game horrible to play. Its just a disgusting playstyle.
@-pront2457
Ай бұрын
So if agurin makes a support account, but he doesnt play support and instead double jungles its fine? Im sure hed easily be able to get around 500lp with that. But since he wins games and got to his elo doing that we are ok with him ruining the game for his jungle and adc?
@nabkill0134
Ай бұрын
This. Just because you can get a strat to master doesn't mean it good. Most challenger player could pick random strat and get it to master.
@andreasioannides5780
Ай бұрын
@@nabkill0134thats exactly what he is saying, same goes with that bard player, he is good enough to get high elo with it but it doesnt mean its fun for the others, it must feel like shit playing with open top in higher elos
@orlandochun1591
Ай бұрын
@@nabkill0134exactly. Theres a reason he cant get past masters
@selsalsha418
Ай бұрын
as long as he is winning?
@MrWizardjr9
Ай бұрын
@@andreasioannides5780 I mean yuumi isn't fun to play with so should picking yuumi be a instant ban?
@TH-dg2mm
Ай бұрын
So I watched the entire VOD to get context of what happened in the first 5 minutes... At first I thought Agurin shouldn't AFK... but holy that game was so completely unplayable. He gets permainvaded starting level 1 and his bard/malphite/pyke are all straight up griefing.
@ataberk3539
Ай бұрын
I literally closed the VOD after malphite dying level 1 against trynda in mid XD basically 3 pigs in same team with agurin, they grief the drafts & match and people expect you to play.
@kura2328
Ай бұрын
Finally someone who sees the whole picture unlike the silver redditors
@atreyes
Ай бұрын
Doesnt matter, afking is against the rules and streamers should be held to higher standards as what they do influences their viewers behavior too.
@kura2328
Ай бұрын
@@atreyes Agurin had two options in the game: Getting perma invaded and barely getting any camps (as Zyra) and probably dying or going afk. What sounds better?
@artemsheen8064
Ай бұрын
@atreyes so if he was pathing like a bot just not to get afk warning you would be fine with this situation? Lol
@erenklc7172
Ай бұрын
The weird thing is caedrel says to bardinette '' you do you buddy'' but the other 4 player in his team are doing their own thing and playing the game in a traditional way. So why would i forced to play the bardinette version of the game instead of the traditional way? Him playing the 4 players' version is better for 4 people but him playing his own way is only better for him. We just shouldn't make up excuses for the inters.
@crudojoshuaricofort8795
Ай бұрын
He is not inting, he just plays his own way. If you can't play with him, then it's one loss, move on, it's not like you are gonna play with him for 10 straight games... He is just one guy out of the thousands of meta Andy players that plays "normally". League is a game where every player can play their own way, your teammates might not like it but if it's what works for you then who are they to make you stop? This is why league becomes toxic, some people play differently and yall want to crucify them. Like bruh, imagine if no one tried lane swapping, pro play would be stale, it had been the same champs over and over for 3 years, until lane swap meta changed how teams play. It's like in the NBA when the warriors won by using the three point shot, no one believed they could do it, but when they did, every other team started copying them. Innovations in games won't happen if you don't have these people that play differently from the meta.
@bladeotayah6122
Ай бұрын
@@crudojoshuaricofort8795 so i think you have a problem seeing things in this video and heres why: As a jungler, are you able to farm/gank with 3 people constantly in your jungle and taking camps without any help from the "non-stale" player like him? Let me remind you that the game in the video is high Master which everyone in that game know how to macro/micro so can you even make any play from your role if that bard is not with/helping you? Spamming hundreds of game to get to GM doesnt make him A GRANDMASTER PLAYER, it just people in lower elo are so clueless so he thinks that his playstyle is working, not because of it actually good to play in high elo. It just straight up a fact in that video: they have a level 7 renekton full csing and plates against your level 4 bard and you think its make the game not stale? Innovations my asscheek bro
@Mute69-om4wk
Ай бұрын
It’s not inting though he’s trying to win? And wins enough to climb to high elo. You being frustrated at a play style ≠ bannable. The point of ranked is to win games and if he’s winning more than 99.99% of league players then who are we to tell him how to play? It’s fair game when you’re not bug abusing or scripting.
@ThomasLinkon
Ай бұрын
@@crudojoshuaricofort8795The difference between entire professional teams proposing and agreeing on innovative strats and a single guy going "hold on, lemme cook" and then proceeding to underperform and make the game unfun for everyone else is huge though. Also, it's not like Riot doesn't try to weed out the off the rails strategies, like lane swapping, inting Sion or Smite Janna, so it's pretty clear they also don't like when things get too weird. I get it, it's just a game and sometimes it works, but please let's not give the guy cookies for "being creative" and "doing his own thing".
@ono1113
Ай бұрын
I never knew the game has rules how it must be played, whats next? you cant invade jungle because thats not traditional? You must 5v5 every objective because thats traditional? you must pick ranged designated adc as adc because thats traditional? ziggs gets you banned because you force 4 people to play without adc thats just excuse for inters
@Moxie2017
Ай бұрын
Just imagine if Tilterella played in EU, there’d be so much more bitching and complaining than here in OCE.
@peterpieterssen36
Ай бұрын
I doubt anyone would notice since he wouldn't get above diamond in eu
@Jojoe291
Ай бұрын
Bruv, I got masters in OCE recently and I’ve played against Tilterella multiple times. He inted every game. First game I’m like “woah did I just play against tilterella?” After 4th 5th game I’m like this guys a filthy inter. Whenever I see his name in loading screen I know he’s gonna mega int 4 times out of 5. Idk in the past but rn he’s very bad
@siel5622
Ай бұрын
pedro defending this bard guy like he is the shy
@mythic_user
Ай бұрын
Lol
@bykliyim9296
Ай бұрын
2:09 xdd
@wandringhobo4321
Ай бұрын
How the fuck is making four teammates suffer not toxic? Does it matter that he's in that ELO? Why do pro players hate Ady? You can literally hit rank 1 and be a 1500 LP challenger player and pro players still don't respect Ady or think his strategy is real.
@andreasioannides5780
Ай бұрын
And he went challengers league and gets bodied by all of them, exactly what you said :)
@davidsamy
Ай бұрын
@@andreasioannides5780 if his strat is bad then why he is rank 1 challenger in the most skilled region? or did he just coinflip his way to rank 1 korea?
@kristianvukajlovic6789
Ай бұрын
@@davidsamy Rank is just your ability to win, nothing to do with how you get to that point. A challenger player can just sprint it mid of spawn and feed a kill, proceed to play normal and still get challenger. Does that mean it's good to die on spawn every game? No. That's the worst argument you could ever give.
@davidsamy
Ай бұрын
@@kristianvukajlovic6789 that is not valid comparison, roaming toplaners were always a thing either 2 years ago when Janna top smite was rolling the soloQ with 60% winrate or back in the days where River Shen/Thresh was played, these strats don't always work just like any other picks/ team-comps your teammates force in the champ select
@kristianvukajlovic6789
Ай бұрын
@@davidsamy It's obviously an exaggeration, I don't even know what the Ady guy did, but the argument he achieved A so B is good doesn't hold. "if his strat is bad then why he is rank 1 challenger in the most skilled region?" - because he is just good at soloq, doesn't mean what he does is optimal.
@shogoyo788
Ай бұрын
10:51 this part is so crazy to hear. Caedrel said like Bardinette is just a guy playing a game, why is it his fault. mf warped the game with his playstyle. how the fuck it's not his "fault". People can debate whether the whole playstyle is trolling. Maybe if Agurin didn't afk, their botside might have enough leads to eventually win the game. Maybe he "caused" the situation in neutral terms but it's not trolling, so we should not use the word "fault"? To me, Caedrel is just saying "Anyone can play anything", which is true but thinking that people should not blame the guy and get upset is pretty weird. Excessive toxicity is one thing but saying your strategy sucks is also a thing that people can do.
@nightcall6386
Ай бұрын
Yeah, you can say it sucks, but it obviously doesnt. He's better than like 99% of league players right? and thats consistency. I'm just bad at the game and I play meta. I must be griefing since im not high elo.
@CC-INV
Ай бұрын
@@nightcall6386Right but getting upset with a guy because they have poor macro, poor mechanics wtv (like everyone below GM-Chal) is one thing. Getting upset because a guy on your team said fuck you mid jg, you will guaranteed be behind so I can coinflip bot, also their top is gonna be giga ahead. Its a conscious decision versus just being inexperienced at the game.
@DeuxAces
Ай бұрын
@@nightcall6386 But, you are wholly missing the nuance of this situation versus the remaining 99% of league players. These are all generally relatively well matched games. Bardinette to his teammates and enemies is really no different from you or I and our teammates. So, the fact that we the 99% suck ass this game doesn't even matter. The actual problem with players like Bardinette is purposefully playing a non-optimal playstyle that completely puts your team behind for the majority of the game while giga boosting the enemy top laner. Bardinette is good enough to just play a normal top or even fucking bard support and he will still win games, probably more games without pissing everyone on his team off for no reason. This play style does actually suck because tactics like this has been nerfed out of the game to ensure a more traditional laning playstyle. It doesn't work as well as just playing the game properly. He is only winning games because either his bot lane gets to pop off even with mid and jungle severely behind thanks to Bardinette OR the enemy team crumbles in their own griefing and toxicity. He also only wins because he himself is actually not a bad bard player, just his playstyle is dogshit. You can't just look at him playing with people with similar or lower skill level and winning with a dogshit playstyle, and assume that his playstyle is actually working. There are so many morons that fail to replicate Baus's Sion gameplay in Iron, Bronze, Silver, Gold, etc. and they fucking suck at it. But guess what? They are actually as good as the people they are facing or maybe even slightly better, so sometimes they just win through sheer mechanical dominance and consistently stick around their elo with no downward movement. But, these kinds of people also don't climb that much from their elo because even if they are mechanically good enough, they are just not playing correctly to climb. Bardinette is the same. He is probably a challenger player easy, but he chooses to play the game completely wrong, piss his teammates off, and coin flip games. If this was the best way to play top or even bard, bard and this tactic would be a massive issue that needs to be nerfed just like Baus's Sion was/is. But it isn't, this is one of the worst ways to play either.
@jonas7574
Ай бұрын
Nice Take there at 02:09 . Props
@kusakaiyt9569
Ай бұрын
The problem isn't that he is playing an off meta strat. The problem is he is FORCING his teammates against their will to play with an off meta strat. Riot disincentivized dodging, there should be a way to get out of champion selects with players like this so teammates do not need to suffer through playing his style. To the Baus argument he proxies the wave causing the enemy laner to either chase them stopping the proxy or take the wave, It is impacting the two players laning against each other. Comparing it to this case where the Renekton free pushes the lane can gain gold from platings/Roam/deep ward/reset he has complete free reign of what he wants to do. He can impact other lanes or get so monstrously ahead from platings and deep ward the topside jungle to make it impossible for Zyra to play. From my POV can it work? Yes, it would be great into tank matchups like Ornn being able to punish his inability to move and limited tower killing power. HOWEVER this guy does it every single game no matter the matchup, its not a "Strategy" at that point. The guy is forcing his playstyle upon others negatively impacting their experience playing them game, it is not fun to play with from experience and Riot need to implement a way of leaving champion select so they can opt out of being forced to play with players like this while they are "innovating". Really like Caedrel but hate his take on this enabling more people to do these "strategies" so that 1 person has fun and is "innovating" while the other 9 people have to suffer.
@amnesiac2796
Ай бұрын
"Forcing playstyle" is such a bad argument. Do I consent to my laners having a bad game and going 0/10? Do I consent to my jungler perma full clearing? The reason why people are so addicted to this game is because every game is different, you have to adapt to each game. Every game you are "forced" to play a certain way because of factors that are outside of your control. The fact that someone can even do a strategy like this and succeed is a testament to the creativity that is possible within League of Legends.
@ThePolishViking
Ай бұрын
@@amnesiac2796 That's even worse argument. Do I consent to people I don't like/don't agree with have right to speak? Do I consent those people has access to internet? Do I consent to the fact you absolutly missed the point and you just mumbling? It's different to adjust accordingly between games that are in general sense played similarly and it's different to flip the entire game upside down because one player decided it. And as it's pointed out, it's not about the fact he's playing it, it's about the fact he's playing it no matter what. If it was a matter of choice, if he was playing it in certian situations when neccessary criteria are met, people wouldn't care for the most part. BUT HE IS DOING IT EVERY GAME! Which is ironic because he is not adjusting his playstyle at all. And btw, I'm "forced" to read stupid comments like yours and live with the knowledge that people that has nothing in common with logic exists. :')
@kekw4630
Ай бұрын
get a job
@InfinityInfinite1
Ай бұрын
Yea, wait till you get yourself a bard top in your promo game that runs around like a clown. Then you'll realise. People defending him just merely haven't played with this kind of strat.
@pricesmith1793
Ай бұрын
@@ThePolishViking then elo should reflect that. If it's so int, then let MMR place him. If you don't like how that works, blame Riot.
@xBox360BENUTZER
Ай бұрын
Riot already stated before that a strategy that forces your team to play around you will get you banned. There was a support Singed with smite that got banned for it some years ago and that one only forced your adc to play solo.
@MrWizardjr9
Ай бұрын
@@xBox360BENUTZER so picking bard support and roaming should be bannable? Or just picking yuumi should instantly ban you? I remember one time our mid saying he's reporting our senna for playing fasting senna and me the support for taking the CS.
@erwangoasdoue1721
Ай бұрын
He plays around his botside so i dont understand how his team is forced to play around him. Why is botlane complaining when they have a free ganker to help them?
@honorablegigachad6946
Ай бұрын
@@MrWizardjr9 honestly Yuumi should be deleted. As for Bard support pick, it's not necessarily a problem as long as he communicates that he is gonna pick Bard so adc can pick something safe like Ezreal or Cait.
@newgod8828
Ай бұрын
since when pedro is a random bard onetrick lawyer xdd
@barindersingh8537
Ай бұрын
idk why he is sucking a bard roaming top inter
@plebbutter3811
Ай бұрын
he got bardinette in his lobby once where the bard went 3/4/27 and the team won 46-14, he's been converted into a believer
@majseketin2280
Ай бұрын
@@plebbutter3811bro got converted to a believer for hitting heads in one try gg
@zezanje1
Ай бұрын
because he is being hated on for no reason, you just dont agree with the wawy they play the game and thats why you flame them, while the people that are keeping the game interesting and alive are the same offmeta onetricks that you are flaming, happychimenoises isnt thriving for no reason, baus is the face of league, kesha, elosanta, dantes, all these guys play their champs differently and that is the reason they became popular in the first place.
@Tuttlund
Ай бұрын
@@zezanje1probably the dumbest thing I’ve read so far. Him playing bard has nothing to do with it, its how he plays
@DrummerAndPker
Ай бұрын
"if I put enough time into chess, I can become a chess prodigy" lmao that is the opposite of being a prodigy
@ChikoTheOGDog
Ай бұрын
*Peaks 1700 elo "I have become a chess prodigy 😎"
@zezanje1
Ай бұрын
well chess is just a "game" where the only thing that matters is repetition and practice, and it has been proven. some random chess gm experimented with his 2 daughters from birth, building their entire lives around chess, practicing the skills they would need in order to be good at chess with them at a very young age and would you look at that both of them ended up being grandmasters and one of the sisters is the greatest female chess player of all time, judit polgar. in most things in life you simply cant be a prodigy, its just that you developed certain skills during your early childhood that ended up aligning well with the thing that you are a "prodigy" at.
@jimmylin84
Ай бұрын
Dam this is really an L take from caedrel. Smite janna top worked because top became a low impact lane 2 years ago after the tp nerfs which made it so that if your bot lane was ganked, there was no real way for top to help them. Janna smite top was abused to set both enemy jglers and enemy bot laners behind and put ALL of your teammates ahead. Mid and bot will be ganked and jg will either have faster obj and clear speed with jannas smite or it will annoy and put the enemy jgler behind. Bot lane and jg were also by far the strongest roles and janna also had great utility and peel. Tht combined with powerful support items, a low impact top lane, strong jg and bot lane meta combined once again with a great peeler/shieldbot/slow/healbot support made it so that you gained more than you lost. Also bounty systems were absolutely broken back then since it gave the enemy a big shutdown since they were farming cs and you werent. Janna smite top was an actual viable good strat with an average of 57 pecent win rate in high elo back then. Yi taric was also broken and actually viable since there really isnt much that you can do vs that combination at that time. But this bard top is 50 percent win rate running around the map probably only tickling the enemy and caedrel is defending him. If someone can get to masters, i would say that they have an understanding of the game. Just imagine if this bard got a real champ top and actually played the game.
@EnjoysScritches
Ай бұрын
THIS
@MrSyltphademus
Ай бұрын
I'm reminded of the one guy who played Singed support with Smite who did something similar (just ran around roaming, helping the jungle farm faster, and counterjungling) and I'm pretty sure Riot banned/warned him to stop not because he wasn't allowed to to pick Singed support, but because his playstyle just completely screwed over his ADC and forced him to 1v2. Which would work fine if the ADC was in any way capable or prepared to do so. Basically, Riot has a history of stopping people from playing unorthodox strategies that negatively affect your team.
@zym6687
Ай бұрын
Double jungle still goes hard.
@Emj2679
Ай бұрын
I've straight up seen Tyler1 alt+tab out of a game then log into a new account to play agian lmao this isn't even bad dude
@kekw4630
Ай бұрын
yeah but agurin just looks like a lil bitch doing it, theres are difference
@georgepierre3594
Ай бұрын
Everyone has that moment, where they dont wanna play the game, cuz the teams losing so hard and be done with it.. so just afk. People just wanna find someone to villanize someone lmao.
@isoldmymumforrp5371
Ай бұрын
Because tyler is/was known for being the most toxic mf in the game. He has changed. Agurin always plays the white knight. And if he is wrong, he simply isnt , because hes rank 1. Now the white knight does shit, he gets punished for it
@Raidenovich-rw2wm
Ай бұрын
@@isoldmymumforrp5371 This is true but also to an extent I think the lol streamer space is so down bad for drama and content that they will find any excuse to call somebody out for some shit and get everybody in the space to talk about it, literally every time lol creators cross paths at this point is when its drama or drama analyzation
@jimai808
Ай бұрын
Caedrel tries too hard to be diplomatic sometimes.
@heehee4341
Ай бұрын
This sums it up. He’s almost being a leftist sjw, trying to overdefend some minority group. Except in this case bardinette isnt an oppressed minority xd
@IvarTheBoneless77
Ай бұрын
right? his take is horrible here.
@verloreneseele8898
Ай бұрын
I like his take, better than Nemesis for sure.
@harstar12345
Ай бұрын
@@verloreneseele8898nemesis saying he couldn't flash and live left me stunned, dude is a great player, but this comment is the most incorrect analysis because of bias, I was really disheartened to see it
@Pyrrha_Nikos
Ай бұрын
The difference with Baus' playstyle is that Baus does lane "normally", he is in top lane, he doesn't choose to sack every wave, 5 plates, grubs and his junglers' top side because haha funni champ can go weeee in wall
@TH-dg2mm
Ай бұрын
Yeah Idk how people are defending this bardinette guy.... NOBODY wants to play with him, literally not a single person. He's like "I'm trying my hardest to win even though I pick bard top!" But like... if you're "trying your hardest to win" why the hell are you picking bard top in the first place.
@Pyrrha_Nikos
Ай бұрын
@@TH-dg2mm If he did this strategy with a "normal" top lane champion, I would be saying the same thing. He legitimately decides that his team should find a way to play with 2/3rds of the gold and exp that the map produces, because top lane waves are never collected. Nobody on his team agreed with this idea, he forces everyone to play the way he wants
@ChikoTheOGDog
Ай бұрын
@@Pyrrha_NikosIkr? This guy should be gold no? Why is he in masters?
@TH-dg2mm
Ай бұрын
@@Pyrrha_Nikos I mean the other problem is that you can't just pick this cheese shit with every team comp. They have bard top and Malphite mid... that means you have 2 champions that do NOTHING early. Like if you have a super strong early game mid laner you can get away with it, because if you're super strong mid laner rotates to that raptor fight you can in 3v3... but malphite does nothing before level 6. So you have a bard roaming permanently to help a mid laner who can't do anything anyways. Just a complete joke.
@KingJerbear
Ай бұрын
Yeah but Janna top was not laning normally, and once people figured out how to play around it, it was being used in professional games. Funneling Master Yi is not playing normally, but again, same thing... eventually pros are doing it because they think it offers best chance to win. Just because most people haven't figured out how to utilize it doesn't mean it's trolling or it shouldn't be allowed.
@jonathansmith8070
Ай бұрын
Even though Caedrel argument is valid, IWillDominate made a counter argument stating that Riot Games has been CONSISTENT at nerfing unorthodox playstyles like janna top, support items on other lanes, thebaus playstyle (as Caedrel pointed out) therefore Riot does not want to you to be a 24/7 roaming top laner, you must lane in the top lane as designed and when you play like bard it is reasonably accepted to just go afk since not even riot likes it. I would like to add that Bard messages every lobby that he is a bard top followed by a powerpoint hence people shouldn't expect standard league of legends as it is not a surprise and can dodge or adapt by not pick high resource junglers. IMO Open to arguments, please be reasonable! EDIT: typos and phrasings
@Raymuk
Ай бұрын
So? Fuck Riot, who cares what riot wants new playstyles are fun and can advance the game but riot comes in and stops anything that is even a bit fun.
@nabkill0134
Ай бұрын
I believe you mean unorthodox.
@nabkill0134
Ай бұрын
@@Raymuklol you don't even know how this strat and you just jump in. "Riot try to stop fun strat" they stop the strat because it is only fun for the user at the expense of the team.
@jonathansmith8070
Ай бұрын
@@nabkill0134 oh yes thank you!
@jonathansmith8070
Ай бұрын
@@Raymuk When you say 'a bit fun', I would like to remind you that almost no one likes this playstyle as it is frustrating as expressed by majority (streamers or players).
@mr.dagger437
Ай бұрын
People should just yolo buy mobis and run with bard together in this guys games, new addition to the strat (hidden OP). Literally an EGO battle
@MeowZzZI
Ай бұрын
But there is no way, this "drama" is so relevant. Like hello? Agurin just went AFK 1 game I don't see the big deal. If he fed and went AFK or went AFK lvl 1 i could see the big deal but it's just not. TLDR version is Agurin went AFK in an unwinnable game and people act like this is the new german painter of the 21st century
@clusterrockets
Ай бұрын
Next time I play top I’ll just go take mid waves after I shove top wave. It’s not griefing my mid laner, this is the innovative new strat where I get all the gold and carry. If my mid has problems about it I’ll just tell them to adapt to my strat and go low econ.
@jinzo-senpai2974
Ай бұрын
if the strategy works and you get 50+% wr then go for it, SOLOQ should be adaptative, if you want a well thought out strategy and perfect plays, go play 5 team flex
@w1se_w0lf
Ай бұрын
Just double proxy in their base to collect waves mid and top at the same time. You get double gold and your mid has perma prio.
@philcabauatan9089
Ай бұрын
@@jinzo-senpai2974are we just gonna expect our team to instantly adapt every game 🤷🤷
@cagrdemirors5155
Ай бұрын
Bro lane swap Mate almost do this;top lane gets nothing, you give all the resources and plates to adc.
@youknow-vy1pe
Ай бұрын
@@philcabauatan9089 Yes. It's solo q. So every game is pretty different. Adapt and win or lose to it the next game.Well if Clusterrockets strat does work. It's not uncommon. Their have been so many funnel strats that it doesn't even sound troll imo.
@foxfoxes1225
Ай бұрын
considering Caedral is/ was a really good high elo player this take is wrong on so many levels that it hurts my head
@Filopo69
Ай бұрын
Bro! So many waves are lost top - so much XP and money for the entire team! How can this be a good strat lol! Sure, sometimes on lower elo you get some kills and get the game rolling cause you're much better in the game in general but most of the time you just suck your laners XP and create 4v5 like in Augurin's game... you shouldn't force your teammates to agree to that...
@alexmarrufo5387
Ай бұрын
The reason Bard is just bad in thiscase is that the team doesn't get an advantage from it. Janna would make it so her team got Objective bounties early which evened out the gold but also had the Janna roaming pressure. Baus's playstyle makes it so he trades gold (hence the Bausen's Law) while opening up toplane little by little. Bard just roams and hopes enemy team is stupid enough to not punish anything he does so he can win which in upper elos, is not gonna happen. And as said by many high elo players, if you keep playing, you will climb, that's why there's so many one-trick in masters/GM, because they just play more games than the average player so the Bard getting to Masters isn't something amazing as he already has over 300 games this split.
@kswitch0611
Ай бұрын
Agreed, I feel this strat would be so good with strong pushing sidelanes, but when you’re playing Zyra jungle, you can’t just ignore camps and perma gank. And the fact that it is Malphite mid as well makes the bard pick much worse.
@lolthatfunny
Ай бұрын
Ppl forget thay baus had alot of game solo carry entire team with his infinite scaling champ, and baus can play meta
@KingJerbear
Ай бұрын
No the reason Bard is bad in this case is because the rest of the team inted. Everyone on the team (including Agurin) put themselves in a much worse position then when the game first started and it got out of control quick. All that matters is who kills the Nexus first.
@nukulator
Ай бұрын
That Nubrac argument is just straight revisionism. Nubrac climbed by playing Teemo normally and then started troling with his smite supp nonsense. Bardinette plays Bard top to Grandmaster.
@makie3320
Ай бұрын
Calling master 500 LP GM is a stretch imma be honest
@Dave-sc2ey
Ай бұрын
While sure that argument might sound good on paper, he's 50% wr running it every single game. Not one game isn't coinflip.
@gusti14
Ай бұрын
I hate Bard, only Keria should play it.
@shinobuu__
Ай бұрын
@@Dave-sc2ey he still is consistently at an ELO to play with these people who are complaining. He doesnt just get lucky to reach master 500LP and stay there with this strat.
@Apnael
Ай бұрын
@@gusti14 Beryl* noob.
@fairybottle210
Ай бұрын
Caedral sometimes makes the 'neutral' or 'unemotional' reasonings but that's just so wrong to dismiss people who emotionally provide reasons and arguments. Not having an strong opinion and playing defense for both sides doesn't mean neither party is at fault. For me, this just makes Caedral seem like he thinks he's better because he doesn't care. I know he doesn't actually think that, but it feels similar to how Phreak would dismiss a community because he has the 'unemotional' stats to support his take.
@ariel_801
Ай бұрын
Yeah it’s kinda annoying to see him just go with the most uncontroversial take. If he just doesn’t care then sure whatever but he definitely does come out looking like Bardinette’s lawyer while not committing to it at all in this clip.
@ToTheGrave20
8 күн бұрын
@@ariel_801 people like you are the definition of brainrot.
@scotthall1658
Ай бұрын
The weirdest strat I ever played against was a Singed/Nilah duo. They would proxy waves from the second wave on in MY BASE. I told my entire team to just ignore them, my top laner got a free lane, my bot lane won lane hard, the enemy jg was stretched too thin and fell behind, and they died in my base to minion damage or me beating their asses after I backed and spent. It was the most free win I've ever had.
@fudgestick1534
Ай бұрын
There is a limit to what you can call innovation. I can buy mobis and roam all game as jg and just call it a new strat when it clearly just inting.
@abouttime2569
Ай бұрын
And this is not the case of that. Stop making weird excuses.
@xBox360BENUTZER
Ай бұрын
If roaming Bard top completely griefing the game for everyone else involved is inovation then Agurin going afk so that the enemy team lets their guard down may as well also be a innovative strat
@nightcall6386
Ай бұрын
@@xBox360BENUTZER I don't understand how these comments are so wildly against different playstyles. You dont get nearly this mad about iron players do you? They settle where they will go, based on strat and ability. Bard top wins to gm for bardinette, other ones will go to iron. Simple as
@verloreneseele8898
Ай бұрын
Will you reach challenger with it tho?
@abouttime2569
Ай бұрын
@@nightcall6386 Most people lack basic logic. Not an exaggeration.
@mirvzdnb
Ай бұрын
I don’t like how people try to push a narrative here. Agurin is just a human being like everyone else. He is fed up with this bard and acts emotional, but sometimes that just happens. Y’all act like you never got overwhelmed by your emotions in your whole life. It’s maybe not the fine way to go Afk, but honestly I don’t give a sh*t. I don’t care what other people think in such a situation, because it’s a about me and my well being and if I feel like I’m not allowed to play the game then screw everyone. If he’s allowed to play his „innovative“ playstyle, I’m also allowed to afk - simple as that. I agree, League is supposed to make you have fun, but it should be fun for everyone and not only for yourself.
@erwangoasdoue1721
Ай бұрын
Not only the bard but the malphite and pyke too
@finn._.f
Ай бұрын
We probably all agree Caedrel made some valid points and Agruin shouldn't have gone AFK, but analyzing the game and looking if it's playable or not still matters imo. It's always about gameplay, especially in competitive high elo. This situation got completely overblown, and everybody is way too drama hungry. People should chill a bit...
@TH-dg2mm
Ай бұрын
I think the problem is that Agurin is such an insufferable crybaby toxic asshole lately. So when someone who is super toxic does something bad, the entire community jumps on the opportunity. Like if you've watched Agurin stream since Korea... he literally complains and flames his team nonstop the ENTIRE game and it's EVERY game.
@cristian6S65
Ай бұрын
League players will complain the game is stale and boring and then also complain when somebody does anything differently.
@TheGrindIsReal2023
Ай бұрын
Me when the new thing is coinflipping bot and giving top 5 plates full tower uncontested farm
@fiorane
Ай бұрын
All I will say is please have a take AFTER you have played a game with him :D
@San-cs6lk
Ай бұрын
@@fiorane I played with him as jg and it was horrible, our samira lane won vs cait leona and mid was even - but the enemy aatrox scaled too hard pushing 2 towers freely without getting answered. Still since its low master I don't care moving on games aren't your life.
@makie3320
Ай бұрын
Let me play like this in your game then let's see if your opinion change😊
@ume-f5j
Ай бұрын
Nice reactionary take. Have bard top in your team with malphite watching you get 3 manned in your jungle for the whole game and lets see your reaction then.
@Sarubotai
Ай бұрын
The most satisfying thing is soft inting your level 1 support roamer. Watching enemy adc two shot them felt sooo good. Good times
@egozocker14
Ай бұрын
Yeah because the janna strat actually worked. What a shit take by caedrel
@IvarTheBoneless77
Ай бұрын
Horrible take by Caedrel. he's trying sooo hard to defend this puke
@zacharycao5636
Ай бұрын
It was good because it was good is your argument. Also the bard is in high elo, clearly it is successful
@cinas2988
Ай бұрын
Like it's so insane, if he managed to climb to master with this pick then it obviously works? It is the objective truth, does it get worse the higher elo you get get? probably. That doesn't change the fact that's it's a viable pick, delusional players.
@egozocker14
Ай бұрын
@@cinas2988 thats because he is good bard player. Has nothing to do with this dogshit strat
@MrWizardjr9
Ай бұрын
@@egozocker14 how do you know? Maybe he gets shit on if he tries to play bard support
@heman8413
Ай бұрын
The bard top is only winning because people arent familiar with his strat but if people figure out who he is and recognize his play style his win rate is going to go down
@Frostile
Ай бұрын
Don't agree with Caedral on this one. If someone was doing this in gold they would get flamed and called out but because they are in masters people are fine with it "because it's working" I disagree. Baus is still playing top lane when he ints, he is still side laning, proxying, getting tower gold and creating bouties. Bardinette is not playing top, he isn't running smite, he isn't getting gold or xp, he is simply putting more weight onto his teams back to carry him and calls it a day because he sometimes gets his teammates kills and they carry him. The strategy isn't the same as smite janna or the Baus. Not to mention as nemesis said he is ruining his teams draft. Sion is a top laner, bard is not. Bardinette is playing league in a way that forces others to play that way because he enjoys it. Funnily enough the other 9 people in the game might not, its quite frankly more entitled and selfish to do that than acceptable simply because THEY are having fun.
@bachy4975
Ай бұрын
With his win rate, he's kinda just coin flipping everygame hoping his teammates could carry him. Saying this strategy is "working" is pushing it.
@littlegrim1751
Ай бұрын
U c I agree with u but out of curiosity do you think Agurin should’ve gotten banned cuz I still think he should’ve
@orchlongala8064
Ай бұрын
@@bachy4975 Me when i coinflip to masters
@roooo8327
Ай бұрын
Dude just literally gets carried every win he gets, he does nothing but make it more difficult for his team. Anyone can reach masters and have 53% winrate, that's just how soloq works, most matches are a coinflip unless you're actually good. Low elo 4fun redditors trying not to cheer for a clown challenge: impossible
@ToTheGrave20
8 күн бұрын
@@bachy4975 how is 54% wr coinflipping?
@yhlee1205
Ай бұрын
The issue was the winning condition of the game. Zyra and kaisa need to be fed. Bard and pyke got all the kills. Trynd and renek had perma prio invade. Zyra cant play if shes continuously denied because your solo laners are useless. Malph and bard were perma griefing
@muizzkazi5432
Ай бұрын
Innovative strats on one side, this playstyle goes against what league of legends is at its core: you have your lanes. They nerfed every startegy that goes against it. Heck, they nerfed Sion passive cause of it. Secondly, like many have said, Master Elo is not that high to prove strategies like this work. They can help you get to Masters cause people in lower elos do not know to counter it. However, not the case in Master, GM, and Challenger.
@marshallh7785
Ай бұрын
if bard top ruined pedro's game no thread gets created. sincerely hope they get matched together and he can talk about how the innovative strategy just didnt work out this time
@XIplupIX
Ай бұрын
He literally played with him already. Not sure how he reacted back then to it. But there is a clip of him having him top and reading his powerpoint
@LorenzoPer
Ай бұрын
@@XIplupIX He put on circus music and laughed at his teammates running it down. They still somehow won the game. xdd
@jimai808
Ай бұрын
@@XIplupIXand part of that PowerPoint was a slide that said if bard gets banned then he will lock in illaoi and run it down. His stats on illaoi are 2/7.2/3 btw
@plebbutter3811
Ай бұрын
They did get matched together, bard went 3/4/27 and the team stomped with a 46-14 scoreline. The toplaner was also hitting t2 at 13 minutes into the game and ended at 3/7. The strat can work, it's why they're higher elo than basically everyone in this comment section.
@podefunder
Ай бұрын
Do you understand how high elo works? You think Caedrel has never played with him? Caedrel has played thousands and thousands of games in EUW Masters+, and this guy has been up there with him for years now. It's inevitable they will play many games with and against one another. Especially because they play different roles
@ArKo140
Ай бұрын
I hardly doubt cadreal would see this the same way if it he actually had to play with him
@janpiet9921
Ай бұрын
You know you're a pretty good guy when the best thing people have against you is that you AFK'd while litteraly being inted :')
@czarryno
Ай бұрын
The argument boils down to - is AFKing okay under certain in game circumstances? And my answer to that is always going to be no. You ruin it way more than someone playing some game warping off meta pick.
@aflowingbrook2919
Ай бұрын
The game is over, renekton is unkillable and the zyra is too far behind
@cryogelatin1952
Ай бұрын
@@aflowingbrook2919 doesnt matter. play, if lose, move on, dont afk and make it worse cause you are just inting just like your inting teammates already
@way2746
Ай бұрын
they FF 15 why does going afk make it worse?
@thestoebz
Ай бұрын
@@cryogelatin1952that’s his strategy to end game faster though
@cryogelatin1952
Ай бұрын
@@thestoebz its a strat to afk and "gg go next"? i dont wanna be your teammate when we play league
@darkkeijp
Ай бұрын
Issue with this is that it works 50% of the time, but the other 50% he loses the game solo.
@VinJ17
Ай бұрын
4:08 I disagree with this take, that since it works to Master/Grandmaster then it should be fine, the problem is that while Im not an Agurin fan, tbh, dont even know the guy. But I do know he's thinking of it as a Challenger, a consistent Top 10, rank 1 Challenger for multiple seasons playing this game. The single fact that the dude has to lessen or follow a Master/GM is so crazy to me. Baus is understandable and thats because he has actually played, reached, and still plays in Challenger alongside Challenger players. I hear so so so many people complain that Master/Grandmaster is like the shittiest rank which is actually true and so far from Challenger, hence the Low Masta meme, but the time it actually does feel like its Low Masta against Challengers, we back track on it and say, "Since it works and has made him reach top 500, then it should be fine" I dont know who the other 4 on his team are, but I would think, ykno, those 4 players are playing around top 100, top 200, or whatever Challenger cap is. Bad take from Caedrel imo. ❤❤❤
@davidsamy
Ай бұрын
btw ady LCKCL korean toplaner hit rank 1 korea with janna/taric/thresh top, if you don't want to play with these kind of different playstyle just get better to avoid queuing in his elo or dodge the game, it is that simple
@Darkyryus_
Ай бұрын
@@davidsamy brother no shot while i dont agree with ady's playstyle i can see why he does that but no shot youre saying bardinette and ady are at the same level ady lanes when he needs to if you watch some of his games bardinette just goes weeeeee i roam?!!?!?!?!?!?
@davidsamy
Ай бұрын
@@Darkyryus_ they are not the same level for sure, but again if he got 53% winrate on EUW masters and peaked GM with dogshit strategy then the whole elo is dogshit as nemesis said, so people need to stop hating on bardinette and if they don't want to play with him either dodge his games or get better and hit challenger to not be in his lobbies anymore
@kejnmejn9225
Ай бұрын
6:40 it was working because of support item and the bounty system
@alexanderplatypus3664
Ай бұрын
Bothers me how many people are hating on different strategies. IF IT DOESNT WORK YOU WOULDNT BE IN THAT ELO!!!! Enough said
@defi71zh
Ай бұрын
I don't mind personally playing with strange off meta strategies, but it shouldnt be a big surprise that bardinette's teammates are going to be tilted because it is extremely coinflip. Since the strategy is so unorthodox it's obviously very easy for the game to become unplayable for the bard's team
@Kezui
Ай бұрын
i can see it. riot making unleashed version for every summonerspell
@gaborolaszi5062
Ай бұрын
can't wait for caedrel to play with baus for a competitive season and his hypocrisy will show up. Wasn't he complaining before that his toplaner in XL (Kryze) wanted to play Kayle and other selfish toplaners on stage all the time? Why isn't that a strat? Why weren't they adjusting to him? Just because it was proplay? Also there was once a game where my teammates went for 3 trollpicks. I got tilted and went for a ghost cleanse bard jg to complete the troll team. Even tho we were all hating each other in draft, noone was talking in game we all just played. And we won and I was useful. Hit a lot of bard ults, roamed, I even stole a drake from an incompetent opponent jg. Does that make this strategy viable? Ofc not. I even put down my Senna supp even tho i loved playing her and i was good at her because I felt like my adc's are hating it (with reason) and I wanted to fulfill the expectations and play "valid supports".
@oliver1784
Ай бұрын
anyone remember banner of command meta? Lmao what a good time
@ddhb3032
Ай бұрын
Another react to that round but no coverage of the champion selection again ffs, which is the key point imo. like putting that bard otp on the side for a moment i just can't see any justification for that zyra jungle pick here which puts it onto the SAME level as the bard top pick. Unless you have atleast one lane that's dominant early on you should not pick zyra jungle because nobody can and will help you when the invade stuff happens. also on the head-to-head comparison brand is just infinetly better then zyra until maybe very very late stages of the game (plants hate fire). IMHO he's as much at fault as everyone else involved in this lost game.
@denislav_95
Ай бұрын
there are no laws or restrictions on how to play the game, you create your own playstyle
@misos1393
Ай бұрын
Years ago there wasnt even a support character or a jungler. There wasnt even a dragon. The support funneling adc was a strategy that changed the game (for the worse) back when there was super over powered engage supports (alistar leona) and they funneled hyper over powered adcs and won some tournaments and all of the sudden riot fucked the whole game up and decided like yeah we're going to make this the standard for the game.
@gammie8191
Ай бұрын
There’s no problem if he has a good winrate. The league players are just children that can’t adapt to a GAME. Just play to win that’s all that matters
@kejnmejn9225
Ай бұрын
4:08 , bro in poland there is a streamer named randombruce, whos stuck on his accounts in diamond elo , or get stucked in master while boosted by his Overpow duo , he got GM while having negative kda every game cuz of winstreaks and lp inflation ,then he get back to d4 , i think bardinette is similar
@BoyNextDoorr
Ай бұрын
The roaming janna top was only working because of how the bounty system worked at time, like the team with roaming top would perma have bounties on objectives. But afterwards they nerfed it because rito found it to be a toxic playstyle
@user-is8gl6cf3z
Ай бұрын
Theres also an River Ivern OTP and nobody bat an eye
@boyinpyjamas
Ай бұрын
lol in this clip bard literaly solo killed brand jungle at lvl 2. Lets not consider that outcome as benefit of his playstyle.
@svenvanveenschool
Ай бұрын
Bring back names in champ select! We deserve the right to know if we want to play a whole game out with our team.
@taeochoi8459
Ай бұрын
This is basically the Korean Ady version in Europe. Yes, he may be good, and he may have a way of winning the game with this Strat, but the fact that this is a solo queue is hard for both sides. Because I'll also be tilted if I have a top bard in my game .
@millionelectricvolts6117
Ай бұрын
what about baus? cause thats the same argument
@taeochoi8459
Ай бұрын
@millionelectricvolts6117 I mean for me personally the Baus is also the same. He has his way of winning (Strat). But it is only/mostly meant for solo queue + people being tilted makes sense. But for sure being AFK like what caedrel said is another problem.
@nabkill0134
Ай бұрын
@@millionelectricvolts6117 not really cos this strat is not good enough to carry him out of Master. Baus strat is proven workable on different champions and you can reach challengers with them. It's not a bad strat like this one.
@EzOddz
Ай бұрын
You cant even compare it with Ady tbh not even close to level no way he roams but he remains extremely impactful throughtout the game.
@yuumijungle548
Ай бұрын
12:10 we need a 4th person reacting to this to keep the chain going 😂😂
@UnyieldingGuy24
Ай бұрын
It is a DIFFERENCE BETWEEN META LIKE JANNA TOP WITH SMITE OR EZREAL SMITE MID and a person WHO plays Bard top like nearly no one else. Is he serious about this argument? Comparing META to something like what Bardinette does?
@carcosa_tyrant9444
Ай бұрын
this is a bad take from caedrel. what this guy is doing isn't just an 'off meta' strat. he's basically trading the POSSIBILITY of helping other lanes for the INEVITABILITY that the enemy top laner is going to be huge. top will have no prio, so top side jungle is just perma-off limits. you lose grubs. you lose herald. by the time baron is even in play, either the game is totally over or you have zero control of baron. this is the equivalent of going to play pickup basketball, and once you're in game you go 'oh btw team i only shoot half court shots and if you don't pass me the ball to do so, i won't play defense so you're effectively down a man.' the fact that ANYONE defends this behavior is digusting.
@verloreneseele8898
Ай бұрын
"this is the equivalent of going to play pickup basketball, and once you're in game you go 'oh btw team i only shoot half court shots and if you don't pass me the ball to do so, i won't play defense so you're effectively down a man.'" It's not an equivalent by any means. In basketball, this strategy wouldn't get you into any good team. You legit wouldn't even be playing. Bardinette tho, is playing at a really high level, legit 0.1% of playerbase, so his strategy works, even if you dislike it. I really find it disgusting how many people dislike unconvential playstyles, but to each their own I guess.
@carcosa_tyrant9444
Ай бұрын
@@verloreneseele8898 he's playing in pub matches. he is not playing pro. that is the difference. he is a 1 trick that utilizes a troll strategy that ruins games and he only wins because his champ is useful in spite of completely ceding top lane. the analogy is totally accurate. it's not my fault you're not smart enough to logically connect the two.
@left5645
Ай бұрын
I think a big part of it is also just not wanting to adjust. agurin also sees peole invading still goes there. doesnt adjust his playstyle and expects them to play his game. He expects the others to adjust to him and doesn't want to adjust to their playstyle. If there is a pick that loses top I get it sucks but they win some games if you stop trying you will never win yk. Just play it out, he knows what he should be doing and doesnt do it
@TheFoolishnoob
Ай бұрын
Only reasonable comment here.
@Axymoon
Ай бұрын
"I've been playing the same game for years, the same way in a general sense, how dare you change my game?" I think Agurin is an adc main in heart, they have this mentality. Crying about a couple mages going into their role, meanwhile adc role has half as many played champions than literally any other role.
@chrismancini9539
Ай бұрын
True that agurin didn't adjust, He shouldn't afk and should just play it out, but the Bard is just as guilty of refusing to adjust as he is. You can't expect your whole team to change and adjust around you while changing nothing for them. He plays this strat every game that forces his teammates to deal with it or lose. With both players dead set in their ways and only playing the way they want to was pretty much a guaranteed loss.
@zym6687
Ай бұрын
@@chrismancini9539 Its a loss if they aren't on their OTP, thats why they are called a OTP.
@foxfoxes1225
Ай бұрын
Bardinette forces this playstyle every single game no matter the circumstance if bard is banned he picks some other shtlike malphite and does the same, no matter his own team comp no matter enemy team comp no matter the general circumstances of the game, so why TF would you ever speak about the jgl not adjusting
@Raidenovich-rw2wm
Ай бұрын
14:40 I played ww mid a couple times when I was playing yone in low elo for fun and yone would get picked away, the champ is pretty much a punching bag for the first bit in lane cant really trade because the distance between towers is 5 feet but it kinda goes hard in certain scenarios you can run back to lane with 500 ms from somebody top or mid triggering your passive and roams on overextended side lanes are extremely EXTREMELY easy
@Keiken0
Ай бұрын
Nah the emotional person here is Caedrel. The game was unplayable and it didn‘t matter wether he pretended to not be afk by playing or to go afk and do something else. Nemesis was 100% right. The drama is also especially insane considering this is the first time he goes afk and only after trying for several minutes, meanwhile many streamer like Tyler1 frequently go afk and even logout mid game to login with a new account to continue playing.
@AtlasAdvice254
Ай бұрын
Nah I am on Agurin’s side on this. You might not like that he went AFK but when one person is essentially ruining the experience for your team and making it so other people don’t get to enjoy the game because it’s a “off meta strategy” that’s such a dumb argument. In the Buas’ case he would go back and show in post games that he WAS generating a gold lead for himself despite “inting” because there was definitive logic and evidence to support that his strategy worked. This guy is just sacking his lane to soak up xp from another lane and try to generate a lead there but it’s one shared between 3 people but two of them are essentially supports. Meanwhile the enemy top just plays farming simulator, cuts off the top side jungle for your team and keeps every grub and herald for his team. It is essentially trolling with extra steps and people shouldn’t be forced to play with people like that, it’s supposed to be a competitive matchmaking game at high elo not “I hope I don’t get stuck with some one trick troll who’s going to ruin the game for us because they THINK they’re smart.”
@ono1113
Ай бұрын
So if it doesnt work, why did it work and he climbed with it? Is enemy top stupid?
@AtlasAdvice254
Ай бұрын
@@ono1113 more than likely it’s a result of his MMR being floored and him not actually playing at a “high elo level” because while we don’t know the full details of MMR we can pretty confidently say that it works similarly to the elo system of chess. You are given elo based on the placement of other people, because when magifelix made rank 1 and stockpiled accounts at the top of challenger in EU, high elo players were getting drastically lower elo games as a result. So while his strategy worked in lower elo levels, it likely also screwed his MMR ranking so while climbing he wasn’t actually playing against good players. Like what nemesis said, once you play actual good players the strategy just falls flat on its face because it’s not actually a good strategy.
@ono1113
Ай бұрын
@@AtlasAdvice254 ah so the classic bs "its the elo" but somehow you cant climb the elo anyway lmao
@highelo4359
Ай бұрын
Got master by playing many games just 47%wr can be possible
@richardgao4415
Ай бұрын
okay but if you want to play the game I play for fun in a way that makes it borderline unplayablle for me, then I think its objcetively reasonable for me to make the decision to either hop off or in most of the times limit test. I don't think doing anything out of malice to make the bard's day worse is good but at the same time when the game is in a state where I am both unfamiliar and disatvantaged I think its fairly reasonable for me to make durastic plays and even in the case I go 0/20 I shouldn't be held liable since I was simply doing what i understand to be the most reasonable play in the situation
@rudirotten2689
Ай бұрын
that bard might play the game differently and it might work in some games. but his strat is to surrender top and play as second support for ur mid or jungle and give them a huge lead in exchange for u beein giga weak in comparism. the point agurin has here is, if he fails at this crucial point, this game ist auto lost. agurin even said it issnt about the bard top it is about them straight inting the same time. u cant play off meta strats who deserve a certain win condition and fail that hard to get that conmdition and expect ur mates to play out a 100% lost game.
@Impactframess
Ай бұрын
I agree with Caedral, that you can see the argument but its very hard to gauge and innovate. The janna top, that funnel strat are examples.
@KrisG415
Ай бұрын
Bard top, malph mid, zyra jungle, and the game wasnt dodged?
@christianwallander2412
Ай бұрын
With nemesis opinion Yasuo, Yone, Katarina, master yi and more champs would not be allowed since team dident consent for the game to be warped around them, won or lost by them alone.
@picklesxrxkewl
Ай бұрын
the bard top is to distract you from how ass picking zyra jungle into a brand is
@Pololololo
Ай бұрын
ok guys so look bardenette used to post a doc in the champ select before in the document it legit said "the enemy will get to inhib pre 15 but its ok" how is that ok so you say a bard with 0 cs level what 6 can compare to a renekton with full cs 3 towers all platings level 16 no thats not how league works and he does force people to play his strat because he also had in the doc that if you ban his bard he will lock in a champ he has 22% winrate on so that is threatening people to play his way of league league is a team based game not a solo player based game him running it down will mean the whole team will break apart. while i might agree if he gets the adc fed enough they can beat the toplaner but then how often can you make the adc as fed as a free farming toplaner with all platings and 3 towers maybe once every what 20-30 games and then you need to remember he doesn't only let the enemy top get to free farm he also steals alot of exp from the mid and bot and makes it so the jungler has no pressure to take his top side if the jungler goes to his topside jungle he will get collapsed on if the players know what they are doing
@erwangoasdoue1721
Ай бұрын
Losing an inhib before 20 is actually good. He doesnt force his team to play around him, he is the one to play around his botlane and jungler so they can beat the fed toplaner later on. The thing is that he puts all his responsability of being a toplaner on his jungler and adc. + his strat is working cuz he is master so that aint inting
@Pololololo
Ай бұрын
@@erwangoasdoue1721 you have a tumor if you think that losing a inhib at 20 min is good you also have a extra tumor for thinking his strategy is a decent one
@johanfokkinga7061
Ай бұрын
Fun part is when he is flaming someone's playstyle because he got caught and didnt wanna give up raptors
@Waajon
Ай бұрын
It’s one thing to “find your way to play and climb by winning games”, but the counter argument can also be made for all the matches he has ruined for his “style of gameplay” where he made his team lose. The fact that the game is EXPLAINED by RIOT as one way and players are forced to CHANGE at a split notice, not preplanned ahead of time in a ranked game is mental.
@shadow.954
Ай бұрын
The problem I see with Caedrels argument that bardinette reached this rank with this strategy is that if you are just better than others, you will be able to rank up even if you play some weird strategy. You can't really use the rank as an argument unless we would know what his rank was if he played "normally". Just mindlessly spamming something new/a different strategy isn't innovation... Innovation would be if you can clearly formulate an idea behind your playstyle and then go out to test it and analyze if your strategy had the effect you predicted. And from what I saw from Bardinette he doesn't fulfill any of these two criterea.
@cyder_6406
Ай бұрын
This is the worst like to dislike ratio ive ever seen in a Caedrel vid lmao, funny enough Dom for once has the right take and Caedrel has the wrong one. Fully deserved ratio xdd
@moerko94
Ай бұрын
What's the difference between a level 4 Bard top and any meta top pick that is also 2 levels down. Correct, there is no difference. You will lose the game regardless of pick. People shouldn't act like meta picks can't end up in the same boat. Just today I saw Rush and Fenix doing the Nilah+Lee cheese which resulted in the Oriana being 3 levels down by the time Lee hit level 8 already. Unplayable and unwinnable. Shit happens. Now imagine that Oriana was playing off meta... would she have been blamed? Yes, definitely.
@anony_mous8681
Ай бұрын
Pedro is actually the CEO of neutrality xdd
@escarnertrolo5651
Ай бұрын
Don't know about other takes, about this one? He is not, he says he does not agree with majority, how is that neutral? Also, it's not black and white argument, if you have an opinion about a league argument it can be different by many layers
@amnesiac2796
Ай бұрын
"Forcing playstyle" is such a bad argument. Do I consent to my laners having a bad game and going 0/10? Do I consent to my jungler perma full clearing? The reason why people are so addicted to this game is because every game is different, you have to adapt to each game. Every game you are "forced" to play a certain way because of factors that are outside of your control. The fact that someone can even do a strategy like this and succeed is a testament to the creativity that is possible within League of Legends.
@blazinwind1091
Ай бұрын
Ok ill pick apart his argument. Saying "cuz he got that elo it works. So i dont like the argument that ppl are forced to play with him. Cuz i want innovation in the game, bla bla." Well i would say that any challenger player could get the same elo if not higher playing that shitty strategy. So any decent or actually good player could do the same, if not better. So then whats the point of that statement? Doesnt change the fact that playing with someone playing like that, decreases ur chance of winning from the get go. Do u wanna win or have fun? Winning is having fun in league. Ofcorse people will not wanna play and have bad opinions about this playstyle when it significantly makes the game harder and less likely to win from the get go and less enjoyable to play. I get it, u shouldnt afk in any situation, unless ur team surrenders. But am i gonna blame or be mad Agurin for afking in that state of the game already? Hell no, ill be like i get it bro. So all that to say i completely understand peoples frustration or wanting to afk when a game goes so bad cuz of that playstyle, to just lose as fast as possible. I dont get how theres ppl that are feeling completely triggered at those actions.
@chrismancini9539
Ай бұрын
My biggest problem with this strat is how much responsibility he puts on the rest of his team. The enemy top is guaranteed to be fed and over leveled, he is basically creating that problem and telling his team that they are the ones who now have to deal with it. I get that the whole point is he is giving up a lot of his agency over the game too his teammates, But Support is literally a role in the game designed for this very reason and is made to be able to do so pretty much for free. He plays a second support but because he is top instead it comes with the cost of a giga fed enemy top laner. To be fair I think there are times the strat can work well, if the enemy has a tank top that wont be as dominant with the gold, and if his team is better for late game and scaling but could use the help getting ahead early. But he plays this strat every game regardless of team comp and can cripple his team as often as he helps them. that combined with the fact that when Bard is banned he actually just runs it down shows that this isn't some try hard game plan just a way for him to ruin the game for anyone he can.
@boyinpyjamas
Ай бұрын
having different playstyle and knowing how to win with it is as deserving that elo as some random standard meta player of same elo. It only shows that they cover their weakness in some way superior to standard player.
@HenryShark
Ай бұрын
If Bard can make it to and stay in Masters, as Caedral said, there is something valid about that play-style. It is in the top top top percent of the entire player-base. And Nemesis saying “it only works to a certain LP point.” Is that not what that elo is? If you don’t wanna play with it, just be better than that LP level. “Master 500 LP is silver quality.” Just copium, most of the player base can only DREEEAAAMM of reaching that high of a level.
@DXT706
Ай бұрын
Not my problem, i get banned, he should get too, no matter the circunstance, i too agreed to the summoners code
@Pentagram666mar
Ай бұрын
It's baffling to me that basically noone notices that this strategy is possible because of riot's awful dealing with lane swap in competetive. As long as this strategy wins games it means that riot balanced game in a way that makes it possible, so don't be mad at bard that he exploits it
@richardgao4415
Ай бұрын
you know what caedrel's arugement for innovation is fair however the problem is that with this type of players its hard to gage when they're trolling or not. but since he's trying and having fun I don't think banning him would be reasonable either. Honestly the fault lies with augrin in this situation but honestly it's just like -40 lp at most
@pricesmith1793
Ай бұрын
not sure why people dont see that it's a game.. and people play to enjoy it, be creative with it. If it's a sincere attempt to explore your own playstyle, who cares? People are obviously frustrated because they're attached to their myopic interpretation to how League should be played, and think everyone needs to bow down to the meta. If I felt like I had more freedom to explore new ideas every game, it would probably be wayyyy more fun.
@HydronBull
Ай бұрын
caedrel we should talk sometime, just about life in general, i think we would connect for real. - another stressed soul
@tiekuh4141
Ай бұрын
"Really like Caedrel but hate his take on this enabling more people to do these "strategies" so that 1 person has fun and is "innovating" while the other 9 people have to suffer." Best COmment so far! Time to get out of Dia/Master to avoid the Wave of "innovative Strategies" :D
@easyenzzo1658
Ай бұрын
I think the only correct way to think is 'what would happen if the other top laner would do the same thing?'. And the answer is a degenerate version of league that nobody wants to play. If top laners trade farm by proxying it's a bit of 'whatever', they both get 10 cs/min and 0 plates. This bard/janna/karma top is...no.
@KingJerbear
Ай бұрын
Agurin: "I can't even play, I can't enter my topside jungle" Tries to fight 1v3 in his top jungle and ints "Okay time to AFK" The only thing that matters is who kills the enemy Nexus first. There are tens of millions of ways to achieve that. Bard choosing to leave lane to play other parts of the map is no different than a jungler saying "I'm ignoring top" because he doesn't like the matchup. They are both focusing on methods that they think give their team a better chance to win the game. Just like Janna top meta, lane-swap Meta, all the random funneling strats, Ezreal mid with blue smite item... all of those things were considered troll until people figured out how to make them work and then even pro players were doing it.
@jeakiel7794
Ай бұрын
but even baus said that roaming toplaner like janna and bard are shit against toplaners that can perma sidelane and 1 v9
@Thepupps5
Ай бұрын
How can we not judge bard for his play? Those are his actions and decisions of course we can judge them
@Diopside.
Ай бұрын
Worst idea ever to improve Ignite, so my games against Jungle Talon, Shaco would get pure nightmare.
@BrovarSpirytus
Ай бұрын
So basically tl:dw people addicted to the game are angry because someone plays unorthodox and more creative that them.
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