Climate change is a consideration, but I think the major ethical dilemma is animal suffering, pain and death, which I don't think anybody wants happening, vegan or not.
@crimsonrose
4 жыл бұрын
Not sure that's true for everyone. My friend is vegan and she doesn't care about animal welfare. She's doing it purely for sustainability reasons. She believes the sustainability factor is more of a concern than animal welfare. (We're both biologists. Another one of our colleagues is experimenting with entomophagy for the same reason.)
@alexwray6173
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like she is plant based and not vegan then. The definition of veganism is exclusively about ethics and animal exploitation.
@Akimikinaak
4 жыл бұрын
Sociopaths.
@michaelrch
4 жыл бұрын
Not for me. The catastrophic destruction that the meat industry causes is what got me and my family to go vegetarian then vegan. And I think it's an argument that can convince more people. Getting calories from meat uses 16x more land than plant-based foods. It's insane. If we cut our meat intake by 2/3 we could free up agricultural land 2x the size of the entire USA for forests and rewilding. It would sequester hundreds of billions of tons of CO2, stop deforestation and preserve habitat for millions of species that currently face extinction. That's what did it for me. ourworldindata.org/agricultural-land-by-global-diets
@michaelrch
4 жыл бұрын
One Hundred Girls in One Year 2020 I said "we" as a society need to cut our meat intake. I picked a number of 2/3. If you want to assert that meat is literally addictive then you will have to provide evidence. It isn't just meat that the food industry is trying to addict you to though. They use salt, msg, fat and sugar to make loads of processed foods addictive. Eating less processed vegetarian and vegan food can help with that. Most people who go vegan lose weight and get much healthier. And learning to cook from raw ingredients can be a lot of fun and a great way to meet people and socialise.
@johnharris8872
4 жыл бұрын
I personally eat meat but can't justify it ethically, which does give me a lot of cognitive dissonance, guilt. On this issue, David seems unable to just take a huge L morally...accept the cognitive dissonance dude
@theveganvillainess
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@alexwray6173
4 жыл бұрын
Cog Dis made me go vegan man. Life is better without that feeling
@fall7565
4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your honesty brotha, its a rare thing these days
@theveganvillainess
4 жыл бұрын
@@alexwray6173 it's easier than people think it is too, the hardest part is breaking through the social programming.
@uzah88
4 жыл бұрын
Kudos to you bro for being honest in a pretty rage/troll filled topic.
@yaycookiz
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like he just researched the bare minimum “points against veganism” without researching the points for veganism itself... A lot of people do this so they don’t have to feel guilty (willful ignorance) // while adjusting your diet SEEMS like an impossible feat (it’s not)
@WhatCanSmith
4 жыл бұрын
Went vegan 3-4 months ago. I make a meaty cheesy pasta that's vegan and amazing. There's half a dozen selfish reasons to go vegan and/or plant-based. World Bank Analysis: 51% of all emissions are the result of animal agriculture (counting the transportation, food harvesting, etc that goes into making the food ultimately) The comparison between water use in factory farming and growing almonds is a false equivalency due to the water becoming outright toxic compared to simply being used.
@grmpEqweer
4 жыл бұрын
Who says you have to eat almonds?
@WhatCanSmith
4 жыл бұрын
@@grmpEqweer no one. I was disqualifying the 'it takes lots of water' to produce them argument. The issue isnt using water, it is turning it into pig shit and spraying it out of massive industrial spickets and making society sick. Factory farming is toxic as hell and brutally cruel. Plenty of "animal lovers" would find it impossinle to justify
@franklance9167
4 жыл бұрын
"51% of all emissions are the result of animal agriculture (counting the transportation, food harvesting, etc that goes into making the food ultimately)" Citation needed. Saying "World Bank Analysis" doesn't cut it.
@franklance9167
4 жыл бұрын
mjl.clarivate.com/search-results www.cattlemen.bc.ca/docs/paper_livestock_and_ghg_the_importance_of_getting_numbers_right.pdf "A recent non-peer reviewed report published by the Worldwatch Institute (Goodland and Anhang, 2009) contested these figures and argued that GHG emissions from livestock are closer to 51% of global GHG emissions. In our view, this report has oversimplified the issue with respect to livestock production while emphasizing negative impacts of livestock on the environment and ignoring positives. In so doing it used a flawed methodological approach to estimate GHG emissions from livestock. Even though Goodland and Anhang (2009) do not present detailed methodologies or clear scientific evidence to back their results, differences between their approach and internationally accredited approaches arise in the following areas" The 51% figure is flawed.
@WhatCanSmith
4 жыл бұрын
@@franklance9167 gee, the Cattlemen association you say? Why not quote 'Beef Magazine'? Most of the corn and soy grown in the US goes to feed animals. Which means most of the transit pollution and other externalities of growing those crops comes from animal agriculture. Suppose it's wrong and it's actually 30% or even 20%. Seems hard to justify especially that we now have plant-based meats
@Ainttrippin
4 жыл бұрын
veganism isn't getting rid of animals. It's not massacring them for no reason.
@alexgewecke9576
4 жыл бұрын
Chosen Two YES!!!!!
@christopherlee9026
4 жыл бұрын
The reason is because I like to have things that taste good to eat. No vegetable dish will ever be as good as the humble hamburger; let alone meat finely prepared. I only get one life, I don't have time to waste doing things that make me miserable like veganism would just so I can save a bit more time of a world that will, inevitably, no matter what happens die anyway - it is almost statistically impossible for it not to.
@Ainttrippin
4 жыл бұрын
@Feeds Ravens bruh is honey that important to you? lol you could just go plant based and eat 99% plants but have your honey.
@vietnamd0820
4 жыл бұрын
Chosen Two Seriously...I’m a vegan...if the whole world gave up meat and dairy, and was not vegan only in the sense that they ate honey, I’d be satisfied
@svonkie
4 жыл бұрын
Chosen Two - Humans are naturally omnivorous and we never would have developed the frontal lobes and unique intelligence as a species without eating meat. That said, factory farming is cruel, disgusting and indefensible.
@stanrefermat9751
4 жыл бұрын
the argument he makes at the end, saying “you’re killing bugs in streams” is very anti-intellectual and david knows it is, this was not a good segment
@vietnamd0820
4 жыл бұрын
Feeds Ravens The problem with this argument is that most crops are fed to animals, which in turn are fed to humans...so by going vegan, we’re addressing this problem by reducing the number of farms worldwide.
@dmike3507
4 жыл бұрын
You can't make a good argument in 10 seconds. What he's trying to say is that there is no simple solution. Doing one positive thing can cause a ripple effect that causes other negative things, and so on. It's not easy to calculate what the effects of veganism might have, and humans can't survive without killing something. There is no logical reason to value cows, chickens, fish, etc. that much more than insects, let alone plants.
@samfetter2968
4 жыл бұрын
@@vietnamd0820 no you don't. Because the majority of these crops that are fed to animals...there is a reason they are not fed to humans. We lack the digestive system to process them. Now somebody could argue, lets change to crops humans can eat then, easy, stupid! And would demonstrate that they know nothing about crops. Those crops bring way more money than the ones for animal consumption. So why do farmers not grow them? They would make more money? The answer...they don't grow on these lands. 🙄 That is one of the many reasons why the arguments of vegans are just stupid...they crunsh numbers without ever knowing what those numbers actually mean. 🤷♂️
@GG-lo4sc
4 жыл бұрын
@@dmike3507 Say that to the UN. By being vegan you kill way less animals. Maybe you change an animal killed for other animal killed but the pourpuse is to reduce the deads as ar as possible. Also, bugs don't suffer as much as the cows, pig and chickens. That's a false equivalency.
@GG-lo4sc
4 жыл бұрын
@@samfetter2968 You know maybe slavery was bad but the number tho... The economy tho... Farmers tho... The numbers tho...
@ronaldgarrison8478
4 жыл бұрын
It seems strange AF to me to even take on this subject in a three-minute video clip. I think you could write a really huge book, over 1000 pages, and still not cover all the relevant points. Even to summarize them would probably take at least a modest-sized book. But I will say this: David is creating a bit of a straw man by talking about "getting rid of animals." Is he seriously suggesting that the natural environment would be in bad shape if use of human livestock did not exist? How did it get along earlier?
@franklance9167
4 жыл бұрын
"David is creating a bit of a straw man by talking about "getting rid of animals."" I don't see where David was arguing that Veganism says that we should get rid of all animals. What I saw him discussing regarding that specifically was emissions, and if the goal is to reduce emissions most effectively, getting rid of all animals isn't a great idea. It wasn't about any moral component.
@davidlittler8512
4 жыл бұрын
David's argument was that to continue feeding the population of this planet we are still going to have crop growing on an industrial scale. Growing crops removes a lot of nutrients from the soil but by using crop rotation systems and animal grazing we can replenish those nutrients naturally or would you rather we depend on chemicals and artificial fertilizers.
@andrescrespo2514
4 жыл бұрын
Domesticated farm animals are not really able to survive in the wild
@ronaldgarrison8478
4 жыл бұрын
I know that. I get that he's advocating "getting rid of animals"-from any perspective, moral or ethical. Not growing livestock for food is the issue at hand. Why can't we just call it that?
@ronaldgarrison8478
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know enough about agriculture to answer that, but I'm not going to just concede that feeding everyone requires having livestock on the scale we now do. BTW whatever the amount of livestock, may understanding is there are ways to reduce the CO2 and CH4 emissions quite a lot, so the carbon issue may not need to dominate the discussion anyway, and we can focus on other issues WRT animals.
@sethvalenzuela338
4 жыл бұрын
This topic deserves a longer more nuanced discussion, not a three minute video filled with straw man arguments and false equivalencies. 1. We don’t eat almonds and avocados for breakfast lunch and dinner. Saying some crops use a lot of water yet failing to acknowledge the inefficiencies of raising livestock is sort of disingenuous when you consider most crops being produced are used for feeding livestock that we end up eating. 2. You bring up that free range farming might long term be sustainable for land use, however, you omit the fact that most livestock comes from factory farms, and that waste from factory farms is a disastrous ecological issue. Even if we were to switch to strictly free range farming, there’s just not enough land to accommodate it with our current level of meat consumption. 3. You’re right animal agriculture does not account for the majority of carbon emissions, however, methane is a much more harmful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. I know you’re trying to be pragmatic and good faith but maybe in the future you can dedicate a longer discussion on this one.
@MichaelAntonFischer
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry David, animal agriculture is more than all transport combined, so going vegan is the single biggest thing one can do for the climate.
@franklance9167
4 жыл бұрын
"Sorry David, animal agriculture is more than all transport combined" Please cite the peer reviewed scientific paper from a respected scientific journal that states this.
@@franklance9167 there is tons of research. Even the WHO states this.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
How about instead of feeding them corn and soy, we send all of our lawn clippings to the local cow farm. Hire a paperboy on a bicycle to deliver it. Nobody’s going to grow corn and soy on their lawns, they want grass. And using that grass for anything other than feeding livestock is a waste.
@MichaelAntonFischer
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 that still leaves methane and animal cruelty. Seriously going vegan is healthier for you and the planet and saves animals. I really can't understand that meat is so important to some people.
@thecriticalriposte
4 жыл бұрын
Hardly a confrontation. They hardly asked you anything and you took the opportunity to 'dunk' on them.
@Xentrick
4 жыл бұрын
I can no longer justify eating meat and dairy. Three reasons to shift to a plant-based lifestyle: 1. The environment- 70% of agricultural land is used to produce food to feed animals that people eat. Wasted water, pollution and suffering to produce dead bodies for "flavor". 2. Individual health-heart disease, cancer, and type two diabetes are 3 of the top causes of premature death in the United States, all related to a diet rich in animal products, sugar, and processed foods. 3. Animal Cruelty- The status quo for industrial farming where animals are raped, forcibly separated from their mothers, genetically engineered for rapid growth and injected with a plethora of chemicals and antibiotics. With all the plant-based solutions for my diet, I can eat tacos, pizza, nachos, brats, plant-based sausage, stir-fry, vegan "chicken" patties, etc. etc. the only reason to eat meat is "flavor" based on ignorance of alternatives, habit based on ignorance of alternatives and indoctrination. Plant powered for the win!
@Eibarwoman
4 жыл бұрын
Diabetes is more linked to sugar and obesity. Remember, Oreos are vegan. But that doesn't mean that meat is good fo us. Just that diabetes won't go away unless other parts of diet are changed
@RedZeshinX
4 жыл бұрын
One thing I would add is that, while far fewer animals are killed at scale eating a plant based diet than meat, animals still nevertheless suffer and die from crop farming alone. Crops require land, which means deforestation and displacement of many indigenous animals. What's more, once the crops are in place the process of cultivation itself regularly results in the death of many wild animals, like rabbits, field mice, raccoons, moles, birds, etc. who are regularly caught up and mauled in combines and other harvesters. Farmers also need to protect their crops from wildlife destruction, which regularly takes the form of hunting animals that damage crops (the biggest offenders being deer, feral pigs, coyotes, etc.), and of course also in the widespread use of crop dusting poisonous pesticide gases and chemicals that kill insects by the billions but through "pesticide drift" can affect other larger animals within the ecosystem and even humans as well (unfortunately the Trump administration has been removing restrictions on many of the more dangerous kinds that have recently been linked to decimating bee populations). Then there's agricultural waste that affects the soil, irrigation, water systems, climate change, etc. These problems don't only happen with food farming but with all farming, e.g. cotton for the textiles we use in our clothes and furniture. In any case, my point is unless you're growing your food yourself the regular option of buying vegetables and grains from the market will still nevertheless unfortunately be contributing to the widespread suffering and death of animals.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
You don’t have to eat nothing but vegetables. Eat sustainable fish species like herring and sardines and mackerel. They’re lower on the food chain so less mercury which means you can eat it every day. Very heart healthy too. And brain healthy. I’m autistic. Texture is a big deal to me. If you replace my meat and cheese with soy based substitute, no matter how clever your flavor scientists are at imitating the flavor, I WILL know the difference. And it will make me gag.
@griffinmoore
4 жыл бұрын
Hammable Of Carthage Type-2 Diabetes can be reliably reversed on a whole food plant-based diet. Check out the NFI protocol or Dr. Neal Barnard. Saturated fat blocks the insulin signaling process, then instead of the glucose entering the cell, it remains in the blood (high blood sugar is a symptom not a cause). Animal products are the greatest source of saturated fat.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
Griffin Moore It can also be cured on a ketogenic animal-based diet. Also the dangers of saturated fat are exaggerated. The sugar industry pushed so many low fat lies throughout the 90s.
@PeterGodmez
4 жыл бұрын
Disappointing from you. You basically blurted out a few stereotypical statements without taking a stance.
@purplelayne6069
4 жыл бұрын
I love watching your show regarding politics, but I am going to have to disagree with your views regarding plant based/veganism. I understand that you mentioned "output nutrients", but the mass scale of animals and animals products, used in the US alone, has to be a larger factor here. Vegans make up less then 10 percent of the population, even if they did eat more avocados and almonds, do you really believe that they are eating the majority of either of those crops? Certainly, not enough to compare it to the water used by non vegans that eat animals, animal by products, AND almonds and avocados. I am not saying that almonds do not take copious amounts of water to grow, but there are far more people eating cows. It takes approximately 23 gallons for one ounce of almonds and 106 gallons of water for one ounce of cow. So let's consider that approximately 39 million cows are slaughtered each year in the US. Also consider that these are only those slaughtered not those being born and raised to be slaughtered. Now, imagine all the other animals raised for food, egg laying hens, and dairy cows and goats. About 25 million land animals are killed every DAY in the US. This is not even taking in to account the amount of water used to grow the food used to feed these animals. That being said, I am always curious when people makes this point if they are worried about water usage in other parts of their lives. Do they limit their showers, dish washing, toilet flushing, and yard watering? Install water saving toilets, shower heads, and faucets? Grass fed would not be possible in the above numbers. The majority of animal products in the store are NOT grass fed and come from factory farms; therefore, using grass fed as an example is not appropriate. As far as the animals dying in the ponds and streams, we have to bring up which is a bigger culprit...water usage or animal ag run off. There is copious research showing the detrimental impact of farms' run off. There is some promising evidence in regards to veganic farming that shows that it can be very sustainable and beneficial for the land and the environment. I am vegan for animal ethics, so I am not going to pretend I do not have a bias toward veganism. That being said, I do try to keep my bias in check and stay away from anecdotal and stick to evidence based facts. Anyway, these are some of the reason I disagree with you on this subject. Thanks for your time.
@Eibarwoman
4 жыл бұрын
I'd say the clothing material options makes veganism worse as most vegan options are almost as bad as almonds in water use or petrochemicals
@purplelayne6069
4 жыл бұрын
@@Eibarwoman clothing options do not define veganism nor do they have anything to do with choosing a plant based diet. Many synthetic materials are not great options. For example, the chemicals used to make leather are horrific. You should look at some of the chemicals that go into making your mattress or pillows. There is no rule that states you have to buy anything new whether you are vegan or non vegan. Many vegans will advocate for thrifting and using second hand items and materials. That being said, there are numerous materials that are vegan that can also be good for the environment, and the animals, such as: hemp, organic cotton, cork, and bamboo. Many outside-the-box-thinkers are finding ways to make material (vegan leather) from by products of other industries such as grapes from wine and pineapple leaves. Again, when people raise these concerns in regards to veganism, I have to wonder do they put as much thought into all the items they buy? Do people check and see if the materials of their clothes, couch, bed, linens, towels, etc are sustainable, eco friendly, free from chemicals, and low on water use? Do they check to see if it is fair trade? This argument is called the perfectionist fallacy...if veganism does not meet all the objectives as we think it should then veganism should be rejected. Again, animal agriculture uses far more water then plant based products.
@Eibarwoman
4 жыл бұрын
@@purplelayne6069 I believe it should be minimized and that cows should be avoided in favor of smaller animals that produce less methane. I refuse to eat beef and prefer poultry instead.
@Peppinr
4 жыл бұрын
purple layne Wonderful response. Thank you.
@purplelayne6069
4 жыл бұрын
Hammable Of Carthage I believe something is better than nothing. However, chicken farms impact the environment in other ways. For instance, studies show the air quality near chicken farms, well any farms really, is horrific. More frightening, the government does not require these farms to report air pollutants. They even knocked down a bill that would require some reporting. According to the EPA 50-85% of ammonia emissions are from animal farms. Also, these farms still produce run off that gets into our water. This doesn’t even take into account the amount of cruelty that chickens bred for food and egg laying hens suffer. To me, no 15 minute meal or palate satisfaction is worth that suffering. Consumers rule the world with our dollar. So with every dollar you spend you tell these companies what you want, what you are willing to overlook, and where your priorities lie. I have learned that no one wins in animal agriculture except for the people that profit. That being said, I do not believe money justifies anything, but especially not actions that harm other beings...human or non human.
@annerigby4400
4 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that the number one reason for not eating animal products is that we really don't need to. Environment, animal treatment, health are all positive and important consequences of people eating a plant-based diet. So nobody has to be an extremist in their views on anything to feel like they need to justify their dietary choices. Meat-eaters always seem extremely defensive and come up with some very lame and often incorrect arguments for continuing to consume animal products. One point, on water, industrial-farmed cattle are fed corn and corn requires more water than many other plants. Also, cows are not really supposed to be eating corn. Grass is their normal food. Regardless of how a meat-eater feels about animals, they have to admit that factory farming animals and feeding them unnatural-for-them food can only lead to problems - the pollution alone from the by-products of factory farming is unbelievable. A big problem in this debate between vegan and meat eaters is that all in all most meat-eaters just want to eat meat and do not want to face up to the fact that there are consequences to the environment, to the animals and to the health of those who eat animal products. Also, using the argument, 'we don't need to', does not automatically mean that we have to systematically go through everything else that we use and that we don't need to use. So, David, perhaps some research into the actual consequences of factory farming of all animals - the treatment of the animals, the impact on the area where the farms are, the impact on the health of the animals and therefore on the quality of the meat/eggs/dairy, the effect of animal products-consumption on humans, etc - might shift your perspective, or not. How about a challenge: do the research (a caller asking you point blank about something you may or may not have taken an interest in might have put you on the spot, understandable) and I would be very interested in listening to your findings. I enjoy watching your channel and find your political commentaries very interesting.
@benbennemans
4 жыл бұрын
Great comment. Keep it up!
@taroakita
4 жыл бұрын
I wish Pat would enlighten you on the facts that you have wrong on veganisn and climate change.
@michaelrch
4 жыл бұрын
Taro David seems to have very little idea about climate change and the environment period. It's very disappointing. He clearly doesn't realise the scale and urgency of the problem.
@Clavitz1
4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrch it's not his expertise. Better on economics. doesnt mean he cant get more info. You should call him up and give him some needed info
@chrisdietrich1533
4 жыл бұрын
Veganism is better for health, better for the environment, and obviously better for the animals. I hope David comes around. He’s great.
@antipatiko
4 жыл бұрын
Carnivore'ism is a much better way (via 100% grass fed, free range, 100% grass finished, and zero hormones/antibiotics/etc meats) ♥️
@scslre
4 жыл бұрын
I'm skeptical of it being straight up "better for health", but agree with you otherwise.
@kasch7574
4 жыл бұрын
Veganism is a cult
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
antipatiko mmm Don’t forget low mercury oily fish such as Atlantic herring. Some people find it too stinky but I love it.
@adamdoes4757
4 жыл бұрын
It’s sad how uneducated David is on this. Most of his points are easily debunked
@aliataya5125
4 жыл бұрын
What you mean debunked, where?when?
@adamdoes4757
4 жыл бұрын
I’m not interested in educating you. If these are genuine questions then you can easily use the internet to educate yourself. It’s what the rest of us have done
@aliataya5125
4 жыл бұрын
@@adamdoes4757 you live in a cloud like most ,backing yourself with the internet!are you ok?I genuinely think your lazy and dumb that's why you don't want to learn something new
@adamdoes4757
4 жыл бұрын
Ali Ataya calling me dumb in a post riddled with grammatical errors is some great comedy. You know what I like about you? Your willingness to make yourself look stupid. It’s hilarious. Carry on.
@aliataya5125
4 жыл бұрын
@@adamdoes4757so you are grammatically better than me,bravo!you're still wrong
@cbeautifulworld11
4 жыл бұрын
This is disappointing. The thinly thought out answer of fragile stereotypes has caused my respect to drop just a little bit.
@Peppinr
4 жыл бұрын
So much for David’s compassion.
@otakunthevegan4206
4 жыл бұрын
He will learn I am sure.
@otakunthevegan4206
3 жыл бұрын
@Damn Son So? Have empathy.
@otakunthevegan4206
3 жыл бұрын
@Damn Son What makes you think they don't?
@Everysingletimeowitz
10 ай бұрын
What compassion? He is a Z i o ni st shill who only cares about his (((people's))) agenda.
@kanevinson
4 жыл бұрын
David, I just watched your video about minimum wage and inflation and now you're turning around and doing the same thing you said conservatives do in that conversation with this one. Just because there are downsides doesn't mean it's not a better option both ethically and practically. Maybe you just haven't taken much time to think about it in a serious way but I think the topic deserves more than a snort and 3 min answer.
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
Straw-Vegan: 'Let's get rid of all animals'
@Brahmdagh
4 жыл бұрын
If its, biologically speaking, good for wheat that it is being farmed. Than why is it bad for cows? Yes cows feel misery more than wheat, but they also feel joy, far more joy. Exponentially more of it, when they are rotated on pasture, which also actually reverses desertification on said pastures. I know, my pasture is far greener than dustbowls around it cause of "rotational grazing/holistic management".
@thelaughingman4791
4 жыл бұрын
@@Brahmdagh I'm not against raising cattle inherently, I don't see a problem if an animal is healthy and has space to move etc. during it's life span, but the conditions that cattle are kept in inside the US at least are often terribly inhumane, which is why I wouldn't want to support it here. If I knew the animal was raised ethically I wouldn't be opposed to eating the meat.
@Brahmdagh
4 жыл бұрын
@@thelaughingman4791 Yes. Factory farming can go to hell. They make pasture farming less viable. The manure from their farms just pollute atmosphere mostly and isn't used to enrich soil.
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
@@Brahmdagh I doubt they experience joy when their young calves are taken away, when they are selectively bred to have swollen udders, when they are packed tightly into cages all day and when they are sent to the slaughterhouse to be stunned (or not in halal and I think kosher slaughter) and their throats slit. Slaves experience joy sometimes too, I'm sure. Should we still breed people to live a life of slavery?
@Brahmdagh
4 жыл бұрын
@@pooounderscoreman You are describing factory farming. No regenerative pasturing..
@troy242621
4 жыл бұрын
It is less energy efficient to eat up the food chain, and livestock feed is awful for the environment too, to say nothing of the cruel conditions they're subjected to that I know you'd ethically object to, or the exceptional water consumption of the industry. It is ultimately your choice, but I'd always recommend a well-researched choice; I became vegetarian following my research many years ago.
@Clavitz1
4 жыл бұрын
what about those that only eat what they hunt and catch(fishing)?
@Clavitz1
3 жыл бұрын
@Joe Smith if I remember correctly fish don't experience your standard pain, they do realize there's an issue such as the hook. When I dealt with fish I and my brothers would always make it quick in having to knock them out with a rock ready. As someone who's been knocked unconscious and now with a fractured skull it's one of the most humane ways in ended the fish's life unlike some assholes I see you leave a fish out of water without doing anything. Now that's very cruel to do. In regards to hunting if a heart shot is made the animal will go down very quickly with as minimal suffering as possible. I agree 💯 regarding how livestock is, it's pretty inhumane. Now I'm not saying these ways of obtaining meat is all pure, there are a lot of sick people out there who have no respect for the animals. This can apply to harvesting vegetables and fruits too. In the end we all need to respect and and be grateful for for all methods of food we require to live on.
@AndresCastilloAJO
4 жыл бұрын
So "11%" is not enough? What percentage is enough to take action? If a big problem is made out of smaller issues you just don't take on them because they are not a bigger percentage? You can't get rid a mere greasy flavor enhancer to help out, and you expect entire companies and politicians to push and change giant structures to help. Good luck with that.
@MichaelAntonFischer
4 жыл бұрын
Also the 11% is not the consensus, the consensus is 17 to 18% which is more than all transportation. If you account for methane correctly (the old conversion was too low) it gets even worse.
@AndresCastilloAJO
4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAntonFischer Thanks! Besides those more obvious emissions, I wonder if all the resources that we pour to the health issues derived from animal consumption are enough to be significant and be included on those kind studies. Have you read any that does?
@dracondebates
4 жыл бұрын
I opened this video expecting Ask Yourself to have called in lol.
@SSBMNicki
4 жыл бұрын
same, I was expecting the name the trait argument from ask yourself hahaha
@JOHN-kc1pw
4 жыл бұрын
Dracon Batachu Same.
@rinneganofrage7206
3 жыл бұрын
As much as I like Ask Yourself I Really wish he would hurry up and try to Contront David Pakman on his Disingeniousness like We've all more or less have been waiting on him to do so.
@owlintherain
4 жыл бұрын
No one can be up on all the current facts in every subject area, so I’ll give David a pass on this one. But personally I wouldn’t have posted this segment on YT without fact-checking myself first. Still a huge fan but this one was too bad.
@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax
4 жыл бұрын
So you're clarifying you would contemplate un-subbing or not watching other videos over just ONE disagreement : "Still a huge fan but this one was too bad" ?? You vegans are wacko.
@owlintherain
4 жыл бұрын
Name And Address Supplied No I’m saying the opposite. I wouldn’t consider un-subbing over it. It was just a little disappointing that the facts were not as meticulously accurate as they are in other DPS videos.
@therorysnake
4 жыл бұрын
70% of land is habitable on planet Earth (for farming or settlements), and half of that is used for farming (35%). 80% of agricultural land is dedicated to animal products, while producing 20% of the calories of humanities diet. Which adds up to ~28% of the worlds surface dedicated to a huge resource sink (water/emissions/land/food) with low output, mainly taste/comfort/money. If that land were rewilded, global warming would be a fraction of the problem it is now. Good that you don't go black or white approach, unfortunate that you seem unaware of the scale of the problem animal agriculture causes environmentally, and of course ethically.
@alexgewecke9576
4 жыл бұрын
Serious question: you do realize that we can have animals on our farms without slaughtering them right?
@xh0rsex
4 жыл бұрын
Raising and killing animals for food is not the problem. HOW we go about doing it, is.
@alexgewecke9576
4 жыл бұрын
James Bauer I suppose the same would be true for eating human babies, or slavery, too, right? We don’t need to do it, and it harms the animals, so we shouldn’t.
@noitsnotme9036
4 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@REGENETARIANISM
4 жыл бұрын
@@alexgewecke9576 LOL...false analogies. All forms of food production include death. Just different animals die in plant production. Regardless, land has certain carrying capacities, and economic reality is part of the equation. You're not going to turn many farms and ranches into sanctuaries and support them all with crowd funding campaigns. So sorry your Disneyesque perspective is disconnected from reality.
@xh0rsex
4 жыл бұрын
Extremists in virtually every category, are often guided by bias and over-zealous ideologies/beliefs, where the end-goal is more about reaching a personal agenda rather than any objective/researched approach of determining "what is best," where the later is typically reached through more rational/hybrid/practical means. That being said, veganism is an extremist diet/lifestyle, which has never been show be viable/sustainable over the long-term, among a population, which for research purposes, means at least 5 generations.
@bombsingaza
4 жыл бұрын
How can David just sneeze that respond with, as caller said “ brilliant distinctions” from his nose? I’m baffled. However, my decision to dodge milk products is entirely tied to the criminal abuse of the moms and their offsprings, among cows, sheep and goats.
@longtail4711
4 жыл бұрын
There is no "criminal abuse" in dairy except from vegans. All the money in milk is directly tied to the health and wellbeing of the moms and calves, so no intelligent person trying to make money with milk is going to harm their livestock or do any less than the best. The idea that "dairy is scary" is a money-marketing scam by scum like PETA, who has a long history of abusing animals. Drink what you want.
@blueblue485
4 жыл бұрын
@@longtail4711 longtail4711 how is it tied to the wellbeing of the calves?
@bombsingaza
4 жыл бұрын
longtail4711: My problems with dairy farms is the focus on milk, which means a cow is separated from her calf IMMEDIATELY, which causes immense anxiety, compared to non exclusively milk production, where calf and mum are separated later and when they finally ARE separated, often in views distance of each other with a see through fence in between. Dairy cows are impregnated over and over again until they’re slaughtered prematurely.
@longtail4711
4 жыл бұрын
@@bombsingaza -- Your problem is that you have only a tiny fraction of the information or completely wrong information to start with. Vegan exploiters love lying to you about stuff like this. I know one of their favorite lies is to tell people we separate the cow from the calf because we want the milk to sell instead of letting the calf have it. What they know about cattle could fill a shot glass. In reality farmers separate the cow from her calf because the cows often will KILL her calf if we don't. They aren't humans. They are cattle. They don't have our weepy sappy mommy issues or the same social structures we do. They aren't born bonded or loving each other. The calf doesn't know the cow is their mother. The cow doesn't care that's her calf. She wasn't raised by a cow either; she has no idea what cows/calves do with one another. The cow will often get very distressed that this tiny cow is harassing and pestering her, and kick it or sit on it if we don't separate them. Cattle also do not produce the same amounts and quality of milk and colostrum for their calves. Yes, calves always get real cow's milk either fresh from the herd or in powdered formula. I know vegans also like to lie and pretend we don't give the calves milk, but calves just die if they don't have real cow's milk to drink. They will always get their share if we want to have a herd in the future. Cattle aren't cheap. In short, it raises their health and survival up exponentially if we take over the calf rearing duties...it's not like farmers need more shit to do in a day like raising calves for no reason unless it was absolutely necessary for their health and welfare. “Dairy cows are impregnated over and over again until they’re slaughtered prematurely.” Do you know what the natural estrus cycle of a cow is? Do you know the signs of what a cow in estrus are? Have you ever tried to keep a cow that is in estrus from finding a bull? Do you know what bulls will do to cows if they aren't supervised? Cattle naturally get pregnant and have calves every year. We work on their schedule. There is no way you are going to get a 1200 to 1500 pound animal to breed if she doesn't want to. She'll breed when she's damned good and ready for it, and she WILL let you know by either smacking you in the face with her tail and kicking you away, or crashing through your fences and running off down the road to find a bull on her own if you ignore her. Bulls on the other hand are bulls. They are made of hormones and fight. Letting them get on naturally leads to injury and death for the cow. No responsible farmer would let that happen. Since we'd prefer not to have vet bills on top of all the other expenses, farmers take over the breeding duties as well. Cattle who don't want to breed don't get bred. Period. If you don't want to die then you'll just let her out of the stall and wait till the next round of inseminations.
@mrbear1302
4 жыл бұрын
Not all sheep, cows and goats are abused in the production of milk products. I was watching a heard of sheep in the field next to my office today. They looked pretty happy to me.
@alexwray6173
4 жыл бұрын
David, do you think killing animals when you don't need to is wrong? If so, why do you need to eat animals or why are you immoral by your own standard?
@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax
4 жыл бұрын
What? LOL Which animals is he killing that he doesn't need to? Another retarded vegan comment. Please, keep going so you can help people move away from the thought of becoming one of you.
@scoop2448
4 жыл бұрын
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax Wtf are you talking about? You don't need to eat animals for food, unless for survival.
@varun009
4 жыл бұрын
David's arguments are weak, but this dude's are weaker. David, you're just wrong.
@samfetter2968
4 жыл бұрын
Hm...the thing is...unlike you he at least provided arguments. If i had to judge whom of the two of you has presented the weaker argument...you are winning hands down for weakest argument. 😏🤷♂️
@sclark1419
4 жыл бұрын
Wow...now hearing more of David’s explanation (re water resources and small animal deaths) it is clear he hasn’t looked into it. Please watch #cowspiracy #dominion #forksoverknives
@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax
4 жыл бұрын
Seen cowspiracy....All that is, is conspiracy. Others, haven't heard about.
@lyndacartmell6223
4 жыл бұрын
S Clark Somehow I doubt he will - if you watch any of these films and don’t become vegan ( if you aren’t already) then you honestly have no soul. He wants to eat meat whatever the cost to the animals or the planet.
@lyndacartmell6223
4 жыл бұрын
Land of Hope and Glory - I defy anyone to watch that and still eat farmed animals/birds/sealife.
@christiangeiselmann
4 жыл бұрын
Nonsense. Nobody asks for removing all animals, also farm animals, from the face of the earth. But fact is that mankind eats way too much meat, and that the mass production of meat is environmentally detrimental. We have to reduce our meat consumption / consumption of animal products. And I love good meat, and cheese and joghurt, and we have farmers in the family.
@phlipsterroxor9068
4 жыл бұрын
To support your argument: in Germany the average personal consumption of meat per year is close to 70kg. The conservative literature 10 years ago recommended a yearly personal consumption of 4-5 kg. Not that I find meat is necessary at all, just to show how unbalanced and boring the current consumption is.
@Clavitz1
4 жыл бұрын
there's also waste too i feel like selling "fresh" meat is a bad idea and instead going with fresh frozen since the meat will last longer on the shelves thus leading to less of being turned to waste.
@grggdds
4 жыл бұрын
I think David can't see the forest for the trees here. Water and land usage for animal agriculture is much higher than even the worst plant foods.
@natalierose1072
4 жыл бұрын
Goodness sometimes David is so incredibly willfully obtuse about things it's frustrating. Stg I can see the alternative timeline where he goes full corporate centrist in the next 5-10 yrs. He's always so eager to both sides an argument. I would respect him more if he was honest about where HE stands. He did it too a few wks back when a caller asked if the election were today who would you vote for. He said either Warren or Bernie....that didn't answer the question. It's v frustrating.
@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax
4 жыл бұрын
Which part of the video was he dishonest you mong. Keep over reacting as vegans and you'll lose what you're trying to acheive. Especially in your own lifetimes. A warning.
@natalierose1072
4 жыл бұрын
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax #1 Dont call me names. I will automatically assume youre not a serious person and have no valid argument. And using a word like that, imma also assume you're racist and bigoted. #2 I never said he was dishonest, I said he was willfully obtuse about things. #3 This has nothing to do with the specific topic he was discussing which is why I have another example from a different video in my comment. My personal opinion is he will often both sides an argument and its hard to know what he takes seriously and what he doesn't when he does this. Its a personal opinion. I watch just about every video he makes because I appreciate his content and the information he provides. Stop being rude to ppl who share their POVs, it ain't gonna take you far.
@nursultantulyakbaycats
4 жыл бұрын
Grass fed is even less efficient than factory farmed meat. Love you david, but you seem ill informed on this topic, do more research please.
@philguer4802
4 жыл бұрын
Eating vegetables directly is seven times more efficient than eating meat which eat vegetables.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
But we can’t eat grass. Meat can be used to turn grass into edible protein. The only thing that would be more efficient would be to replace all grass with food crops but I doubt too many people with lawns want to replace their lawns with corn stalks.
@tabularasa0606
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 We can use bacteria to convert the grass if you really want to. But you'd actually need less food crops to be planted if everybody was vegan. Most of the food crop is eaten by farm animals.
@philguer4802
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 "I doubt too many people with lawns want to replace their lawns with corn stalks." I doubt animals are elevated on lawn... Pasturage would be a far more credible exemple,though i don't know how hard it is to farm on it.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
NaN It wouldn’t be a problem anyway if we just spayed and neutered the third world. Even counting the extra land used to farm cattle there are just too many humans and that alone uses too much land even if they only eat vegetables.
@tabularasa0606
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 3rd world countries are not the problem. It's 2nd world countries, like India.
@chrisr2507
4 жыл бұрын
How much water do you think raising all these animals requires David? You seem to be skirting around this issue because you don’t want to make changes to your lifestyle. I guess you also don’t see any ethical issues with factory farming either? Or do you just ignore those because it’s inconvenient?
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
Corn requires less water than soybeans and wheat. It also has a higher carbon-14 content so it is more likely to give you cancer.
@longtail4711
4 жыл бұрын
How much water do you imagine it takes to grow crops? Do you know what crops need in order to grow compared to livestock? Do you understand how livestock are non-negotiable in growing all our cereals, fruits, and vegetables? No? The actual issue is that too many people who have absolutely NO education in agriculture except what they learned on their phones and has never dealt with anything beyond pets think they are educated enough to be suggesting serious agriculture reform and have the arrogance to suggest OTHER people are skirting issues and aren't educated. Get out of the way and eat your stupid vegetables quietly while people who actually understand soil, animals, and plants actually do what you so very obviously don't. 🙄
@glencullinanan505
4 жыл бұрын
@@longtail4711 Mic. Drop.
@donnieman123
4 жыл бұрын
you heavily misinformed ! when the "scientists" calculated water consumption for beef production they included rain water ! so right there is more VEGAN lies and bs. your fake world of fake food is a joke and soon the world will realize what religous zealots you all are and the lies and fake science you all cling to.
@veganfortheanimals6994
4 жыл бұрын
I like your political videos David but you are off on this one, weak and straw man arguments. Everyone should watch "Dominion" 2018 on KZitem, I'll provide the link in my next comment. If you're not disturbed by that (and want to boycott animal products as a result), well, that's disturbing. (You can also check out "Lucent" and "Earthlings").
@reverence4life88
4 жыл бұрын
David, I truly love your show and am in agreement with your political stances on almost every issue. However, as a vegan of 32 years who has studied and written extensively on the topic, I would encourage you to please understand the issue more fully before commenting on it as though you are adequately informed-I assure you that you aren't. You bring up the same tired arguments that simply obfuscate the profound issues surrounding our relationship to nonhuman beings. I realize it's a sensitive issue, especially for non-vegetarians, because it asks you to seriously confront and question a fundamental part of your life choices and cultural upbringing. This is why I titled one of the chapters in my newest book, "Why You'll Take a Child to Pick Berries, but not to a Slaughterhouse." The chapter touches on how humans are conditioned to find the exploitation of animals acceptable; it is not a natural state. I could go on, but I'll leave it at that. At any rate, keep up the great work! Your political commentary and analysis are very insightful. www.amazon.com/Suffering-Empathy-Ecstasy-Liberation-Evolution/dp/1092654127
@yaycookiz
4 жыл бұрын
J Daniel call into the show! Unfortunately this caller wasn’t informed himself, but you could do a better job
@rc3018
4 жыл бұрын
You just reiterated anti-vegan talking points that are usually easily refuted by pro-vegan thinkers or activists. Mentioning free range farming while you seemingly rely on industry farming for most animal products that u buy is disappointing coming from you. If u wanna make better arguments, converse with vegan activists so u understand their arguments and rebuttals.
@phrostedbaron
4 жыл бұрын
Cognitive dissonance.
@sclark1419
4 жыл бұрын
Veganism is NOT a “diet.” It is a commitment to a life of doing minimal harm.
@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax
4 жыл бұрын
It includes diet which is the most important part. Without it you're dead and your arrogant, self important arguments, like every other vegan's, will be lost indefinitely & will fall more and more on deaf ears. Keep it up. I like my meat.
@HaleyMary
4 жыл бұрын
No-one should get rid of all the animals, just stop killing the animals. Think of cows, pigs, chickens, etc as pets. People probably won't really take the environment seriously until 2050/2060 when we see even more devastation on this planet.
@sameyo
4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention we can stop artificially inseminating and breeding them into existence by the billions! It's really not a necessary practice when a whole food plant based diet is appropriate and adequate for sustenance & health at all stages of life
@ItsYaBoi888
2 жыл бұрын
Davids attempts to justify meat-eating are quite surprising time and time again. It's unfortunate, really, since he is such a smart man.
@SunDown.
4 жыл бұрын
Notice how David refers to his diet when he's asked about veganism. That's an obvious sign he doesn't know what veganism is and equates it with a diet. Then he goes the Alan Savory quack route! No David, grass-fed farming is still not sustainable, healthy or ethical! And almonds and avocados still use less water than animal products. David is in denial about Veganism and he justifies his actions using bad arguments. He needs to educate himself on the subject and have a discussion with Alex O'Connor from CosmicSkeptic.
@KenS1267
4 жыл бұрын
LOL. Speaking of bad faith arguments. Almonds and avocados use less of what kind of water than which animal products? Honey actually returns water to the environment. You are aware that every almond you consume relies on domestic honeybees? So if you really are so concerned with the ethics of keeping domestic animals then you cannot eat almonds, or any other crop fertilized by honeybees.
@SunDown.
4 жыл бұрын
@@KenS1267 , you ignorant, almonds and avocados use less water than meat or dairy products! You also committed a nirvana fallacy with your bee argument! But you can't realize that because you're too fucking stupid!
@KenS1267
4 жыл бұрын
@@SunDown. No. I did not. You claimed "almonds and avocados still use less water than animal products." Since honey is an animal product and uses negative water you are wrong. I can present plenty of other examples. I did not make any claim that simply because honey exists you should not eat plants ever. I just presented evidence that you made an erroneous claim. Now that you have tried to refine it, it remains wrong but you're getting closer. The correct statement would be that almonds use less water than cattle, and therefore cow based dairy. They might even use less water than pork, based on how you measure it, but less than waterfowl, who can be raised with no input water? Don't make me laugh. With less water than wild seafood? Again you're just wrong. Now if you're done being monumentally stupid, insulting and wrong...
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
It’s only a problem if you grow the grass with fossil fuel fertilizer. They should grow it with cow poop.
@SunDown.
4 жыл бұрын
@Finn Hansen the solution is to gradually transition from animal products! You meat-eaters are braindead!
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
David. Love your programme. Please check out some arguments about veganism. It aligns with humanism too. Based on statistics, veganism is the best diet for climate change and animal welfare.
@lordofleaves
4 жыл бұрын
I lost quite a bit of respect for you bro - that was really, really pathetic.
@theveganvillainess
4 жыл бұрын
David...um, I hate to break it to you, but animals aren't going to just disappear without humans eating them. Animals have been fine for millions of years without humans 🙄😒
@scslre
4 жыл бұрын
@2be Blunt Did someone claim they were?
@duchinsmickle
4 жыл бұрын
Killing bugs in streams pakman... your gonna have to make an update to this
@otakunthevegan4206
4 жыл бұрын
Yea whats this about him killing little fellas...?
@timpz
4 жыл бұрын
Incredibly disappointing answer. Yes, grazing biomes exist, how does animal agriculture actually contribute to that? How much of the animal products that David consumes comes from such sources, and how much could those biomes ethically supply? It's completely dodging the question by stating that theoretically, such a system is conceivable, while not actually doing anything about it.
@charlied1930
4 жыл бұрын
Agree with many of the points raised in the comments section: this deserves a more nuanced and well thought out reply. The most legitimate point you raised is that it is not black and white and that food chains, ecosystems and animal husbandry are all immensely complex topics. It's understandable that you may have been caught off guard with this question but it's definitely worth revisiting and/or holding your hands up and saying that we are all motivated by numerous biases that we have to stay vigilant of and this may be one for you to reflect on (I have no intention of that sounding condescending). We all take moral shortcuts, and are ultimately hypocrites on many issues, in order to make sense of the world and our actions in it. Love the show and wary that I and many others are jumping on you for a 2 minute off-the-cuff reply; it's largely because it's not characteristic of you and it's visible to regulars of the show
@freeform144
4 жыл бұрын
Recently replaced almost all of my news media consumption with your show, in part because of your apparent well-researched and generally unbiased presentations. As such, I am a bit surprised to hear you sound proudly quite contrary to those qualities with your response to this caller. Many good points have already been made below, so I will only reiterate: let us not forget that veganism is not just about the environment. Don't think it has been mentioned yet, so I would also advise you, David, to watch the documentary "Earthlings" if you ever plan to be sincere in your confrontation with veganism. Other documentaries on this topic just don't compare.
@ART_EYELAND
3 жыл бұрын
Love your show but, cattle (and their feed) uses WAY more water than almonds or avocados. 🤷🏻♂️
@dontforgetthenumbers
3 жыл бұрын
Get rid of animals?! That's not what vegans are advocating, David. How about reforesting? David's fallen for the regenerative animal agriculture myth. Sad.
@veganepicwin9618
4 жыл бұрын
David, if you could eat plenty of healthy and tasty food, without eating the bodies of animals bred and killed just to be eaten, what would you do?
@scslre
4 жыл бұрын
@Feeds Ravens It's harm reduction at its core, right? No one is asking that anyone starve to death before they milk their couple of cows.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
Without the bodies of animals to produce all natural fertilizer, what will we grow our crops with?
@veganepicwin9618
4 жыл бұрын
@Feeds Ravens do you live in the Alps?
@theveganvillainess
4 жыл бұрын
Help save the environment and the animals by going vegan.
@isaiahkern9434
4 жыл бұрын
Did you know? It's mostly coperations that make most of the co2 through product transport and manufacturing (regardless if food or not) The more you know
@vita9010
4 жыл бұрын
The Vegan Villainess That would not save the environment if everyone became vegan. We need to produce meat more efficiently.
@VMVarga-zg4cl
4 жыл бұрын
@@vita9010 We can just eat the veggies we feed the animals instead of feeding the animals our food and then slaughtering them. Therein lies the real inefficiency .
@MaskOfCinder
4 жыл бұрын
The billions of farm animals that we slaughter wouldn't exist in the first place if we didnt breed them for eating purposes. And predatory animals will continue to eat other animals whether we do it or not.
@VMVarga-zg4cl
4 жыл бұрын
@@MaskOfCinder Good story Will but what does that hafta do with the planetary destruction and cruelty to animals involved in factory farming?
@markc1234golf
4 жыл бұрын
Irish beef is healthiest grass fed cattle in world but Irish farmers backs are being broken by deal to import cheaply produced beef from south America
@Akimikinaak
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah and they're hacking down rainforest to produce it. I wish i could get some irish meat sounds good man
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
I love Kerrygold butter and cheese
@gringadoor5385
4 жыл бұрын
If a tree falls in the forest and lands on a militant vegan, does anyone give a shit?
@dennis-qu7bs
4 жыл бұрын
Bovine flatulence is nothing to be sniffed at. It's a serious problem.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
They fart less if they eat their natural diet.
@michaelfavata2720
4 жыл бұрын
I think it's a cop out to say "i wont go vegan personally because a vegan world wont work due to issues with soil health." Your personal decision isnt the tiebreaker for whether the world goes vegan or not. Given our current overdependence on animal ag, it makes sense on an individual basis to go vegan, if only to balance out the crazy amount of meat americans in general consume.
@seansmith5955
4 жыл бұрын
That 100 corporations are response for x amount of emissions statement is wrong in the way people like the call try to use it. The actual study says 100 companies produce the products that are responsible for x amount of pollution. At the end of the day its us that's still using the products and I feel like people use that study as a scapegoat
@iris-2021
4 жыл бұрын
There are a number of reasons to go in that direction. It is very hard to do 100%. Animal products are everywhere. Health, climate, ethics. I am 100% vegetarian but sometimes miss ingredients to make it to veganism? I am beginning to understand the effect on climate. My health & energy have significantly improved since changing my eating habits. I have removed 5 prescription drugs & lowered the dosage on 2 others. I sleep much better and have a better outlook. The goal by the end of this year is to remove processed foods, added sugar, salt & chemical additives. I also noticed by removing gluten (supporting my daughter’s celiac diagnosis) has significantly improved digestion. I have found a love of cooking. Not for everyone, but one of the best things for my health & reduces my personal carbon footprint. Try it, you might like it!
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, vegan dude here. If you have trouble with anything in particular, I may have some suggestions. Otherwise, keep up the great work!
@iris-2021
4 жыл бұрын
mongke It is hard sometimes to replace an ingredient for something that isn’t loaded with crap that I am also trying hard to avoid. For example, even organic almond milk has chemicals and not enough almonds. I have made my own & it was great but expensive. Since I really only put it on my oatmeal, I figure it is an okay sacrifice. Grocery stores are getting much better as are manufacturers. I am Canadian and we don’t have Trader Joe’s or Whole Foods where I live.
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
@@iris-2021 I'm not sure what chemicals you're trying to avoid but you can usually get organic soymilk or oatmilk in supermarkets near me. Hope that helps. I'm in Australia.
@iris-2021
4 жыл бұрын
mongke I like the ingredients to be things I can pronounce & understand the reason why they are there. It is getting better. I am taking more personal responsibility by reading the labels. The more consumers demand, the more the supply will increase. Economics 101. My daughter was recently was diagnosed with celiac. It has taken 15 years, unnecessary surgeries and broken bones to get that diagnosis right. Getting good medical and nutritional advice is critical. She has been teaching me to read labels better. The purer the food, the better. I hope things are improving down there. Those fires must have been terrifying. ❤️🇨🇦
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
@@iris-2021 Fair enough. I just make sure that the dietetics and nutritional research bodies as well as governing bodies agree something is safe to consume. I'm lucky in that MSG has no discernable side effects, nor does sucralose, stevia or aspartame. I'm not worried about something hard to pronounce like Menaquinone-7 as this is just vitamin K or Cholecalciferol as this is just vitamin D. Sorry to hear about your daughter's struggles. May she have a long and healthy life. Fires are mostly ok for people. It's the animals that are really getting fucked up. It's probably going to continue getting worse before it gets any better.
@ronaldgarrison8478
4 жыл бұрын
The more I look at the comments, the more I hate this whole clip and its many evil spawn. Look at the clip one more time (just one more time!), and see how he starts his reply to the caller with a laugh. What's so effen funny?!?! Three minutes is not 1 percent of the reply this deserves. It's occurring to me that if I had the time, this would be a great subject for a huge book, because people are apparently not even aware of all the facets this subject has.
@thePANDEMlC
4 жыл бұрын
Those stats don't seem right at all, animal agriculture takes up way more than that.
@khshkhshkhsh
4 жыл бұрын
There will come a time when the price of a pound of beef would be $0.50 or less and people would still not pay that price tag
@megalexantros
4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, this was week, disingenuous and ill intended
@carnybusiness7432
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think Vegans continuing to bug Dave about if he will ever go Vegan will actually change his mind on the subject. For me, what changed my mind about eating meat 3+ years ago, and eventually going Vegan a few months later was just being convinced of the better arguments about Veganism.
@_Booker_DeWitt
4 жыл бұрын
I like watching logical, philosophical debates about various subjects. When I came across a debate about veganism, that's what grabbed me. I didn't realize I was supporting things I was morally against and I did not know the scientific facts about the affects of the animal agriculture industry. Every argument against it can be countered with fact or your own moral hypocrisy.
@itgetter9
4 жыл бұрын
I agree with a lot of the commenters here, but David's comment about almonds is more complicated than we're giving him credit for, because almonds are extremely water-intensive, and a lot of almond trees were planted in the U.S. Southwest (where the natural environment cannot sustain them) because of a property rights debacle started in the late 19th/early 20th century, where water rights in the Southwest were apportioned as "use it or lose it," thus incentivizing growers to plant water-wasting crops, to secure a future of water rights.
@scubadiva666
4 жыл бұрын
Veganism isn't a diet; it's a philosophy. Not only that, there is such a thing as veganic farming, in which no animals are used. kzitem.info/news/bejne/pY164KKhnYeblWU
@scubadiva666
4 жыл бұрын
@2be Blunt You didn't read my comment; I said veganism isn't a diet.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
How do you fertilize it without using either cow poop or fossil fuel based nitrous oxide producing synthetic fertilizer?
@scubadiva666
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 If you didn't click my link, I guess you'll never know.
@scubadiva666
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 There is such a thing as veganic agriculture, and this video tells you how plants can be grown without the use of animals. kzitem.info/news/bejne/pY164KKhnYeblWU
@alexiswinter6948
4 жыл бұрын
I'm vegan and can't stand these questions. If meat eaters want to change, they'll come to us. In the mean time, just be a good example and get off their backs.
@xoxonaotchan_7902
4 жыл бұрын
VEGAN GANG GANG IF YOUR A ANTI CAPITALIST AND NOT VEGAN YOUR DOING SOMETHING WRONG!!! also come on david I was just defending you saying you are good faith on another video. But this is motivated reasoning if I've ever seen it. Talk to a vegan some. Bring in @HenchHerbivore or someone like that. Hes a nutritionist so if david needs the facts there you go
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
You could live off of meat from fishing and hunting. Less cruel than factory farming and better for you and the environment.
@xoxonaotchan_7902
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 how many people do you know who hunt their own food or sow their clothing?
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
XOXONAOTCHAN _ Well I’ve lived in Pennsylvania so I know people who hunt (they get a couple days off from school to go hunting)
@xoxonaotchan_7902
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 all of it? 100% good faith buddy the problem is with meat consumption especially by western cultures. We eat so much meat it would be impossible to recreate the amount of meat we need free range. In the wild people were omnivores who ate mostly plants fruits nuts and occasionally would kill another organism maybe every few days or more. Most americans and Europeans eat meat atleast twice a day. So in this ideal society if it could happen sure (like I still do catch release fishing), but in a industrialized society I dont think theres any turning back the clock with this.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
XOXONAOTCHAN _ It’s capitalism that is the problem. Capitalism incentivizes cruel and destructive meat rearing practices. Also I don’t get why people don’t eat more herring and other small sustainable fish species. Where I live all herring is fed to bigger fish in fish farms. But herring is lower in mercury and better for your brain than tuna and fairly cheap and there’s plenty of it. If you’re not raised on it you might find it stinky but I wasn’t raised on it and I love it just because I like strong flavors.
@noosestroke
4 жыл бұрын
Vegan diet will boost your inteligence 🤗
@glencullinanan505
4 жыл бұрын
Avocados aren't really vegan either, nor are several other fruit and vegetable crops due to the use of animal labour.
@JL-zm6md
3 жыл бұрын
David is a pretty brilliant guy, but on this topic, he's in complete denial. Really disappointing to see someone this intelligent have to dodge and weave like this.
@saltoftheegg
4 жыл бұрын
You should absolutely check out Unnatural Vegan on KZitem, she’s vegan but spends most of her time debunking dumb myths made up by vegans and she talks a lot about ethics and reasons to go vegan. She always cites her sources and she’s completely destroyed any argument I had against going plant-based.
@psychoactive420
4 жыл бұрын
I just want to not smell cowshit everyday because people want to consume steaks and hamburgers in an area where the air literally smells like the crap of the animal they're eating.
@usfdave10
4 жыл бұрын
It’s called the Big 3, pick one, some or all that speak to you in reducing and eliminating animal agriculture. 1. Ethically harming animals. 2. Human health. 3. Environmental issues.
@dmike3507
4 жыл бұрын
1. Choosing not to eat meat doesn't prevent harm to animals currently in the factory farming system. It just means it would reduce the amount of offspring they have in the future due to a lack of demand. 2. There is no evidence that vegan diets are healthier than other diets. deniseminger.com/the-china-study/ 3. GHG from animal agriculture is 18%, according to the latest scientific research. Sure, it would be nice to reduce that number, but if you wanted it to have more than a negligible impact you'd need to have hundreds of millions of people go vegan overnight, which would throw hundreds of millions of people who depend on livestock for a living out of work. Why not invest in other employment opportunities & raise regulations on factory farms to eventually phase them out, in addition to enacting policies that reduce the human population? That would address the problem in a far more coordinated and practical way than simply hoping that people will stop eating meat. www.cattlemen.bc.ca/docs/paper_livestock_and_ghg_the_importance_of_getting_numbers_right.pdf
@scarlettsotiris4930
Жыл бұрын
Non vegans also consume almonds and avocados., you can be vegan and easily not eat either of those.
@dmike3507
4 жыл бұрын
Question for vegans: say an animal dies of natural causes in the wild and I decide to eat it. Is that wrong or immoral? If so, how?
@benbennemans
4 жыл бұрын
As long as there are no grieving animals around the dead animal and (s)he is left behind then I see no problem with it from an ethical perspective. Roadkill as well, as long as the animal was not killed intentionally (s)he can be eaten from a vegan perspective. Keep in mind though that you remove him/her from the ecosystem so no decomposition takes place … it’s not optimal but knock yourself out. The big question that David (and all limb and organ eaters) will have to answer is, why it is okay to eat animals, but not humans. In order to hold the position that it is okay to turn one group into hamburgers, but not the other, one has to be able to name a trait difference between the 2 groups to justify the difference in treatment. What is that trait I wonder.
@YannickTMusic
4 жыл бұрын
Why can't we just let people live and eat? Why a war between vegans and non vegans?
@YannickTMusic
4 жыл бұрын
Celo okay....That was awkward
@fall7565
4 жыл бұрын
Yannick Taylor well the choice to eat animals is causing harm to another being. They cant speak up for themselves so others need to stand up for them and lead by example.
@YannickTMusic
4 жыл бұрын
Fall I full and well I understand your point of you. But how long has mankind been eating animals not only that but animals each other in the animal kingdom and there are some that are simply herbivores my original question without all of the back-and-forth was why can’t we live and let live
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
@@YannickTMusic 'How long has mankind been raping? Not only humans but animals rape each other in nature. Why can't we rape and let rape?' If your argument can be applied to something else abhorrent and come to a repugnant conclusion, it's probably invalid.
@fall7565
4 жыл бұрын
Yannick Taylor so just because something has been goin on for a long period of time doesnt mean its ok to do now. Also we shouldnt be basing our morality on the animal kingdom. If we take the ”animals eat other animals” argument, then in order to remain morally consistent we would also have to allow for rape and eating our own children, because that is also what animals do in the wild. In the past humans ate animals for survival because they couldnt grow crops during the winter, we now live in a time of luxury where we choose what we want to eat. So why choose the option where a baby animal had to scream, cry, and fight back in terror before it made it to your plate instead of the vegan option that tastes almost the same?
@adrianchriste6
4 жыл бұрын
This thumbnail disturbs me
@GordonJones88
4 жыл бұрын
Good job David.
@jackriver8385
4 жыл бұрын
David, almonds and avocados aren't exactly equivalent to meat. It'd be better to compare meat to some of its closest equivalents, nutritionally speaking. I think you'll see that the vegan options are generally more environmentally friendly. Also, I hardly ever eat almonds and avocados. They're too expensive for the nutritional value they offer.
@MaJoRMJR
4 жыл бұрын
If we all just ate a little less meat, especially beef, it would make a massive difference, and not just for the environment but also our health (which for countries with socialised healthcare would save tax payer money on health problems).
@puzzlekuchen
4 жыл бұрын
Vegan is not truly about diet, is it?
@Kloutkulture
4 жыл бұрын
Davids callers are one of a kind
@dazmcstylee9384
4 жыл бұрын
Vegetables aren’t just for Christmas .
@dazmcstylee9384
4 жыл бұрын
2be Blunt lol
@cityguyusa
4 жыл бұрын
These issues are people trying to make a name for themselves.
@theuniversedoesntcare
4 жыл бұрын
I bet that I eat a lot more healthy than most of you without eating discipline.
@suzannebennett8987
4 жыл бұрын
Nobody is proposing "getting rid of all animals" or "killing your cows" (as 45 recently asserted). Getting rid of factory farming would certainly be a good thing, and just as David says, going back to smaller scale, more natural farming has benefits. Furthermore, the solution to dealing with methane emissions associated with raising cattle lies in adding kelp (which is commonly dried and prepared as animal feed and available at feed stores) to their diet - not killing them all! 😄
@franklance9167
4 жыл бұрын
You can also remove animal agriculture subsidies and tax their emissions, using these funds to pay for sequestration technology or others forms of sequestration(like planting trees) to counteract these emissions, or even terraform deserts.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
What about lawn clippings? Kelp sounds better than corn but not sure if it’s healthy for cattle.
@suzannebennett8987
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 Lawn clippings are typically not good for livestock because they are likely to have traces of gasoline on them. Kelp is what is recommended to reduce methane emissions in cattle. It's dried, chopped and prepared for them and available for purchase at feed stores. You don't replace their regular feed with it. You just add it as a supplement. It's very healthy for all living things - full of minerals and nourishment.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
Suzanne Bennett What I suggest is having a paperboy come by on bike to pick up your lawn clippings and deliver them to the local cow farm. That way it won’t get gasoline all over it. I’m not sure that kelp fed cows will have enough vitamin K2. That supplement is supposed to cure cavities and atherosclerosis by moving the calcium from the arteries back to the teeth where it’s supposed to go.
@suzannebennett8987
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 Nice trolling. Cheers.
@mr.v8467
4 жыл бұрын
He seemed ready for this X)
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
I could probably go pescetarian but not vegan. If you eat fish that are lower on the food chain such as sardines and herring then you don’t have to worry about overfishing. Herring is better for you anyway, it’s lower in mercury and higher in phosphatidylserine (which is sold as an expensive brain supplement)
@bolshevikY2K
4 жыл бұрын
There's nothing morally wrong with being omnivorous in my opinion. We eat meat. We, as humans, require things that are contained in animal meat to survive -- or at least to not be malnourished. Do I have issues with the ethics of how food gets to my plate? Absolutely. I think that factory farms are abhorrent and that there need to be standards of humane treatment that are properly enforced (also lab grown meat would be awesome if that's a thing that ever becomes possible). However, for me to (out of what I can only describe as ethical spite) cut meat/animal products from my diet would be not only unhealthy, it would be stupid. There isn't a thing I do in a day, not an item I use that doesn't have some ethically reprehensible history. That doesn't mean I'll stop using it.
@m9frank
4 жыл бұрын
Plant based for me.
@teddipappas3189
4 жыл бұрын
Although this is outside pf your normal discussion, veganism is about exploitation of ANIMALS, not about the environment!
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
One definition is avoiding harm and improving wellbeing of all sentient creatures as practicable. Climate change has and will continue to cause harm to sentient creatures, including humans so as vegans we should look to prevent that.
@nuclearcatbaby1131
4 жыл бұрын
Suppose it came to a choice between hurting animals to save the environment, or hurting the environment to save animals.
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 it's kinda interwoven because wrecking the environment is going to hurt animals. So you need to look at the net harm.
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 also, sorry to spam you. I replied to like 5 of your comments haha
@GaryTurbo
4 жыл бұрын
I was talking about my dad about vegan ice cream during the apocalypse. My dad scoffs at it saying, "you can still get milk from cows" and i told my dad where?
@GaryTurbo
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not going to say "fake versions" because if It's edible, its food. But not all vegans started off as vegans, some do miss burgers and hotdogs. I decided to give up on meat when i had a heart stoppage on the toilet, some tend to due to religion or health.
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
@2be Blunt 'Fake' versions are usually healthier, cause less harm to animals and the environment and can make the transition to Veganism easier. Why do meat eaters have to breed and murder billions of animals?
@pooounderscoreman
4 жыл бұрын
@2be Blunt I'm sorry to hear that. Are you some kind of tiger or wild dog? You see these animals in nature. They're just wild. Pigs were domesticated from boars. There are boars running around and stuff in nature. Similar to dogs vs grey wolves.
@scslre
4 жыл бұрын
@2be Blunt Or a cat, perhaps? Why does your body require meat?
@claudia5908
4 жыл бұрын
I am not vegan but I really don’t eat pork. It grosses me out especially how gross those pig farms are. But I can do away with meat since I found a really good plant based protein shake. I’m on the fence on become vegetarian tho. But I do like beef & seafood so it would be hard.
@yaycookiz
4 жыл бұрын
Claudia S well please look into the cow and seafood conditions. Also dairy (milk contains a certain percentage of puss, etc.) They aren’t as clean as you think :/
@claudia5908
4 жыл бұрын
Lina C. I am allergic to dairy. I’ve never like milk. I buy everything organic.
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