What went wrong is someone trying to port Arkham Knight on the Switch
@Deemzahlie
8 ай бұрын
Idk how it even runs
@wile123456
8 ай бұрын
What went wrong is rocksteady coding arkham knight and it's frankenstein custom version of UE3 terrible. The PC version runs like ass too. But there is a reason they never made a PS4 pro/Xbox one X version because they game stutters mroe than any UE4 game
@Wigalot
8 ай бұрын
OP has forgotten Arkham Knights initial release
@evilmonkeywithissues
8 ай бұрын
It would have worked fine if it weren't for the fact that UE3 is so intensely RAM hungry.
@koghs
8 ай бұрын
Counterpoint Witcher on switch
@HiddenGemsReviews
8 ай бұрын
If it's this bad at the beginning of the game, I dread to think of just how bad it'll be running during the Cloudburst section. Or when you have to fight 40 tanks at once.
@DarkChief
8 ай бұрын
arkham knight tunnel boss battle must be rough too
@denisruskin348
8 ай бұрын
Mid to high teens. Exquisite.
@PsuedoIssac-to3ff
8 ай бұрын
Or when you have to fight waves of enemies, if it slows down on pc I'm willing to bet it happens with the switch too.
@Spacemonkeymojo
8 ай бұрын
Hmm there’s a lot of particle effects and explosions during the tank battles, but not as much data streaming as you’re normally just in a small area during the fights. I wonder how it would run.
@jeveritt8398
8 ай бұрын
The launch switches gasping for life like they're in the fear gas 💀
@ethai1
8 ай бұрын
Does anyone remember the disastrous launch this game had on pc?
@joseluki
8 ай бұрын
PC has a million configurations and different systems. Switch has one, either they optimize it or they don't and not release it, is that simple.
@adacPROKYON
8 ай бұрын
the switch would have been outdated hardware 10 years ago, there is only so much you can do.@@joseluki
@Wigalot
8 ай бұрын
@@adacPROKYONExactly. It wasn't the smartest comment.
@overdev1993
8 ай бұрын
it still has a ton of microstutters ... even today not a smooth experience
@brkbtjunkie
8 ай бұрын
@@overdev1993smooth as butter for me on a gsync chipped display (what is now known as gsync ultimate), I’m quite sensitive to microstuttering and Arkham knight runs great on a 9900KF, 4266mhz ddr4 and a 3080. Now if only the batmobile had better controls…
@May1stBurst
8 ай бұрын
Streaming is almost certainly one of the main issues. Unreal has struggled with streaming stutters for a long time (especially ue3). This game has streaming stutters even on modern pc hardware.
@snake2106
8 ай бұрын
nope streaming stutters only happens on an hdd, if u are running the game even on a cheap a55 SATA ssd, it will not stuuter on the PC
@ramseyrodriguez8515
8 ай бұрын
To be fair, the eMMC of the Switch is not that fast either, somewhere in between a regular HDD and a Sata SSD
@harrifongostudios
8 ай бұрын
I am actually very impressed to learn to Arkham knight runs on unreal engine 3. Jesus the game looks amazing all things considered.
@dukemagus
8 ай бұрын
UE3 is source available. Many developers have custom builds with plenty modern modules and replacements that they keep using because their old UE3 license charges less royalties than making a game in UE4 or UE5
@BottomOfTheDumpsterFire
8 ай бұрын
@@dukemagusYou can negotiate royalties with Epic if you're big enough, no way companies like Squenix or Nintendo are paying 10%
@CorporalDanLives
8 ай бұрын
Yeah, when AK shipped UE4 was in no way ready for primetime. Modifying the hell out of UE3 was the right call.
@phattjohnson
8 ай бұрын
The game does look amazing. What else should there be to consider? :P
@jordychinchin
8 ай бұрын
For a 2015 title, Arkham Knight's art style and graphics have aged very well
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8 ай бұрын
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8 ай бұрын
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8 ай бұрын
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@ninstars
8 ай бұрын
3:05 That go along the line of what Rocksteady stated back in the day for not porting Arkham Knight over the Wii U (or even the PS3 and 360), now that it is on the Nintendo Switch it's very clear that the design of this game was never meant for these hardwares.
@poeskey
8 ай бұрын
No way could the wii u have run these games on that powerpc cpu it was rocking. Maybe it could have idk. Nintendo is the only ones who can really unlock tge potential of their consoles.
@SAsaiyajin
8 ай бұрын
@@poeskeywiiu had City and Origins.
@carlosg8103
8 ай бұрын
@@poeskeyXenoblade Chronicles X is a Wii U game and i would say it has a lot of details , it surprises me rhat it runs well.
@lol-ih1tl
8 ай бұрын
@@carlosg8103Xenoblade Chronicles X needed gigantic optimization patches.
@poeskey
7 ай бұрын
@@SAsaiyajin and if i remember correctly they didnt run well.
@ultimateman55
8 ай бұрын
People will complain about the Switch hardware, but really this is the fault of the developer and publisher. If you cannot achieve acceptable performance, delay the release of the game until you can. If acceptable performance is unachievable, don't release it in the first place.
@madness9651
8 ай бұрын
This is probably released with a Switch 2 in mind.
@xxtimmy69xx
8 ай бұрын
@@madness9651was thinking the samething.
@29drmark
8 ай бұрын
Looking at you Kingdom Hearts Collection.
@CaptainKenway
8 ай бұрын
@@madness9651 It's probably released with a quick cash grab in mind. WB aren't looking to the future or trying to do anyone any favors. They just want easy money, and a quick and dirty port at minimum development cost is the fastest path to that. Most people don't look at technical reviews of games before buying them.
@xxtimmy69xx
8 ай бұрын
@@29drmark if they werent stupid cloud only I'd agree but let's let this form of cloud gaming to die. Cloud gaming should only be secondary option not the only way.
@arthurgwa
8 ай бұрын
For many years, I thought AK was a Unreal 4 game, man. This game is more insane for me now, rocksteady has done an amazing job with this game when it was launched on Xbox One and PS4
@kyoshifrostwolf
8 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, Unreal can produce absolutely incredible results even on older versions, if the devs have the time and talent to make it happen. Bioshock for example, that was running on Unreal 2.5, which is bonkers to think about now.
@demian5631
8 ай бұрын
At this point, I'm starting to believe that Arkham Knight is cursed to always have terrible ports. Remember the original PC release? Similarly atrocious.
@yellowblanka6058
8 ай бұрын
It ran terribly even on top-tier rigs, it was just shit code, which they fixed and then it ran fine. Here, it's just running up against the limits of the Switch hardware.
@demian5631
8 ай бұрын
@@yellowblanka6058 The switch hardware mixed with still probably not very great code that just isn't as noticeably bad on higher powered systems.
@Shwiggieman
8 ай бұрын
Given how terrible the PC port was for AK and how they basically threw their hands up rather than actually fixing it, I can't say I'm surprised at all by this.
@RusticYT123
8 ай бұрын
Arkham Knight on switch is very impressive to me. Especially when i compare it to other games on the system. I absolutely understand its lower textures and franerate problems. Just too big of game for the platform and im having alot of fun with it.
@frogglen6350
8 ай бұрын
Bruh xenoblade and tears of the kingdom look and run better than this game on the switch
@RusticYT123
8 ай бұрын
@@frogglen6350 you just named two games made for the hardware that their exclusive to. Batman Arkham Knight is a game made for the Xbox one and PS4 and has way more going on and more to stream in. So I'd say it's very impressive. Also I like both those games and like how they look and as impressive as they are Arkham Knight on switch is more impressive that they somehow got it running.
@pervy16
8 ай бұрын
the witcher 3 and doom eternal were better but lets hope we get a patch that fixes or at the very least resolves the stuttering issue @@RusticYT123
@rodneyrodriguezsoberal5522
7 ай бұрын
um the Witcher and doom eternal. like this isn't defendible its a bad port they were lazy
@RusticYT123
7 ай бұрын
@@rodneyrodriguezsoberal5522 those are also great ports on the switch but on other platforms doom eternal is 60fps so that of course could run on switch at 30fps and the witcher is very impressive yes but still not as graphically as demanding as Arkham Knight. Also the witcher has had years of being updated to get better and better on switch.
@minus3dbintheteens60
8 ай бұрын
As soon as I saw that initial driving scene stutter, I thought instantly that it's an asset streaming issue, the storage is far too slow. An overclock wouldn't fix that. Scaling back particle effects, rain, etc wont help either. I'm very surprised they would even try to port this game, and that this level of detail and graphics is acceptable.
@faustianblur1798
8 ай бұрын
From the look of it those reported framerates are overgenerous, the individual frametime spikes are far worse. Overclocking's not going to increase the storage speed, so if it's a streaming issue then the system is still waiting on the data being read in, which is probably what all those hitches are.
@poeskey
8 ай бұрын
Would running it off of the sd card fix this problem?
@Loundsify
8 ай бұрын
It's a CPU issue as UE3 handles mostly on one thread.
@GHFear
8 ай бұрын
This looks to me like it's trying to stream too much data, so the process has to stop for a few frames to load the next large chunk of stream data from disk into memory and then render it. Most games today use many smaller tiles of data for open worlds instead of a single large tile for those who don't know. And then you can choose to only render what's inside that tile in the direction you're looking to reduce the computations on the GPU. I think they are filling their stream tiles with too much data or their tiles are too big and detailed. But then again... they may also not have given a single second of their time to optimizing their code. I would advise decreasing the tile size by 5-10% all around + reducing the triangle count further if possible, and perhaps make better educated guesses about what NEEDS to be on screen at any given time based on your location and the direction you're looking at. Games could look SO MUCH BETTER on the switch if people just took a few weeks to optimize their code and assets. But when money is the only thing the studio execs care about, there is never any push for perfection; just.... "good enough" to dump on the public. It's sad to see that a game studio will release a game in a completely unplayable state like this.
@quantizedanson
8 ай бұрын
Funny thing is this exact issue happened badly on PC release way back, took them months to fix ( Unfortunately it was done by iron Galaxy, so maybe it was destined to be a bad port like Arkham Origins and TLOU Part 1. ) And even after fixing, we can still see glimpses of stutter every now and then. With how weak a Switch is and their minimal effort aside from editing default ini files, it's only natural that the existing issue would be enlarged by lacking hardware. Unfortunate.
@Loundsify
8 ай бұрын
The issue is the CPU is too weak even when overclocked.
@reeceytaylor
8 ай бұрын
Tbh I thought it was a miracle they ported Knight at all even with the issues
@Bajoomboe
8 ай бұрын
If the frame pacing of the driving sequences are marred by physics, asset and map streaming, this might be a problem in the internal storage pipeline already: it's no longer broad and fast enough to keep up with the game's needs. I sincerely hope Nintendo will introduce m.2 NVMe-like storage tech to their next system to circumvent these issues
@M9_Prime
8 ай бұрын
I played this on a PS4 with a mechanical harddrive. I think the switch memory is at least as fast as a 7200rpm drive… it has to be something bottlenecking the way the data is fetched
@poeskey
8 ай бұрын
@@M9_Primethe switches internal memory is all on a nand board, so i guess whatever the speed of that is. Now idk what the speed of the cart port is.
@maxmax-xx7nw
8 ай бұрын
@@poeskeycard port is maximum 95MB/s read
@rehmanarshad1848
8 ай бұрын
Emcc storage from what I remember.
@Spacemonkeymojo
8 ай бұрын
Really good video! The stuttering when driving really is hard to unsee once you see it. You can also see some stuttering at 9:28 when Batman is gliding. I wonder if it's the RAM that's just saturated and can't keep up with loading the entire world in? IMO they never should've released Arkham Knight on Switch, they should've released Origins instead.
@Loundsify
8 ай бұрын
Definitely CPU decompression being the bottleneck.
@HelpTheWretched
8 ай бұрын
This past summer I was deciding whether to get a Nintendo Switch or an Xbox One (yes, I'm a bit behind the times). When I heard Arkham Knight was getting ported, that very nearly swayed my decision to the Switch, and I only held off because a pricing error at the shop kind of bummed me out. I would have been fine with some downgraded graphics, as long as the game experience was the same. So right now I'm feeling pretty glad I went with X1.
@busyak
8 ай бұрын
Wow I thought AK was built on UE4. It’s honestly one of the best looking games of all time. The fact that the new Alan Wake 2 doesn’t look all that much better but demands basically nothing short of a 4080, while AK runs at full speed on even the Steam Deck is amazing and infuriating.
@KingKrouch
8 ай бұрын
Interesting how Warner Bros was willing to port the first three Arkham games to Unreal Engine 4 (an engine that has very little similarities to UE3) for the PS4 and Xbox One (Which PC didn't get as an update), but they decided to keep the UE3 version of Arkham Knight for this Switch port. Although from what I hear, the Arkham ports on PS4 and Xbox One got a bit of a mixed reception and are a bit debatable on whether they're an upgrade or not because the lighting and shaders looks wrong in a lot of places. Apparently even on the Steam Deck, Arkham Knight is very CPU bound. Although I don't know if this is with that mod that adds a texture caching system to the game or not.
@SomeOrangeCat
8 ай бұрын
What gets me is that they won't let you buy them separately. I'd be happy to by City by itself.
@enriquedossantos3283
8 ай бұрын
I only had a "lowly" 1060 when it came out on PC so i had to wait a few months till it got "fixed" by modders to be able to play it (at the end looked amazing 60fps buttery smooth)
@TrevelyanOO6
8 ай бұрын
There’s a channel on N64 optimisation, inc. fix Super Mario 64’s engine. It’s shockingly amazing the sort of graphics the N64 can push, however memory bandwidth completely hobbles it, to the graphics people associate with the N64. Forward over 20 years later and Nintendo still haven’t learned and its still memory (and storage) throughput holding their devices back.
@Web720
8 ай бұрын
Nintendo not learning? Sounds about right ngl. They are still stuck in the 90s.
@ElMalito187
8 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie. RIP Kevin Conroy. Your dedication as The Dark Knight has and will define several generations to come. Thank you Kevin Conroy. Cheers 🍻
@MiniBeas
8 ай бұрын
Didn't Arkham Knight also have a really bad PC release as well? So my guess is that there's probably definitely some underlining bugs that may still exist in this port because they may have rushed the game.
@afatchimp
8 ай бұрын
That was my impression, that the game was rushed. Even the combat system is a huge downgrade in terms of polish, with Batman constantly dropping his combo due to bugs and factors outside the player's control. Feels like the scope of the game was far too high. Everything about it felt half-baked, outside of the stunning visuals anyway.
@frogglen6350
8 ай бұрын
That was about a decade ago. Nowadays the steam version with all the updates can run at 60fps with no game breaking bugs. Arkham Knight on switch is for broke people
@SAsaiyajin
8 ай бұрын
@@frogglen6350how? Everybody says the other versions are cheaper and better so "go buy there" but yet you say Switch players are broke.
@art23428
7 ай бұрын
@@SAsaiyajinbecause hes broke and probably miserable
@SAsaiyajin
7 ай бұрын
@@art23428 Yes its completely dumb. There was also another video when someone commented that 'We Love Katamari' not running wel on Switch was also a hardware issue. I didnt know what game that was so i looked it up and i was like🫤, ...THIS GAME!?🥴 Normally i would laugh but this really prooves to me that a lot of commenters are really just talking ish and just bashing the Switch as is typical on Nintendo. So i challenged him on Alien Isolation running better on Switch but he didnt reply(typical). I am not a top IT guy either but from a general consumer standpoint a Switch 2 isnt even needed yet, at highest a Switch pro for better performance of current games. But hey might as well go at full considering more 'hardcore players' have jumped or are willing to jump to Nintendo hardware if the software runs closer to 'high end' and receives more 3rd party.
@shodanargie1574
8 ай бұрын
While we are at it, Knight is proof there is value in letting engines and tech mature instead of constantly jumping to the latest thing. I I wish devs would still be trying to push ue4 like Rocksteady did with 3 here instead of just jumping to 5
@anchorlightforge
8 ай бұрын
A part of me feels that this is because Unreal Engine 5 is, more or less, just 4 with extra bells and whistles. The jump from 3 to 4 was far more substantial [and of course, problematic] for existing projects, but for 4 to 5 switching engines was an actually realistic option though still not ideal. I think Unreal Engine 4 also had a very rough start in which there was value to sticking to UE3 because it was still a far better tool for production than 4 was. 5 is still far from perfect but it's getting to be stable with each update.
@marcelosoares7148
8 ай бұрын
Devs are jumping to 5 because the new tools make the development process easier, albeit at the expense of performance like we have seen in recent titles.
@shodanargie1574
8 ай бұрын
@@marcelosoares7148 hence why i wish 4 had more life
@Fr33dan
8 ай бұрын
I haven't played it but this footage looks a lot like how it looked on PC when it originally launched there. Wouldn't it be funny if they started this port from the original unfixed PC code?
@poeskey
8 ай бұрын
Could be, this is a tegra apu inside the switch so its possible they did. I would argue it would be harder to port from xbox/ps vs using the pc code.
@tdotran
8 ай бұрын
As someone who has never played the trilogy, I am looking forward to play these games on the Switch once it’s a bit cheaper. Perhaps play the first two on the Switch, and hope Switch 2 is backward compatible and play the 3rd one on it.
@MrFoxYodotter
8 ай бұрын
ugh, u deserve the crappy products u pay for, u nintendork. go pay for shitendo lawyers while ur wife's boyfriend is having a good time
@MrFoxYodotter
8 ай бұрын
ugh, u deserve the crappy products u pay for, u nintendork. go pay for shitendo lawyers while ur wife's boyfriend is having a good time
@PsuedoIssac-to3ff
8 ай бұрын
Not to kill your hope but doubt they 1, make a switch 2 and 2, have anyform of backwards compatibility. I wish the big three would realize the value in having it. But, you're better off getting a steam deck later down the line and then get arkham. Just my advice, I'm pretty biased towards the fact I have no actual faith in Nintendo doing what their audience wants.
@matthewjuarbe5826
8 ай бұрын
honestly, you're better off getting the PC Versions or even the PS4 Xbox One versions. if you really want to play it on the go then get a steam deck. but stay away from Switch. even Arkham Asylum can't hold 30fps and that was a Xbox 360 PS3 Era game.
@tdotran
8 ай бұрын
@@PsuedoIssac-to3ff “audience want” and here is Nintendo with the Switch sold over 130 million console worldwide. lol
@OnBoxGaming
8 ай бұрын
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@LetsGetUnderTheMap
8 ай бұрын
I can recommend checking Lego City Undercover. It runs around ~30fps and with split screen maybe ~15fps on Switch, dock mode.
@theshadowdirector
8 ай бұрын
I remember how accouter UE3 game, A Hat in Time was with it's initial port. And that was a much less demanding game. Did improve massively with patches though.
@georged7627
8 ай бұрын
Wow that jittering every second in the racing sequence made my head ache once you pointed it out arrrrrrggggghhhhhh I might buy it for the other 2 games and hope we get a good patch 🙏🏽
@StupidMarioBros1Fan
8 ай бұрын
I knew that the game was made with a heavily modified copy of UE3 but it sucks to see it run so poorly on Switch. Sounds like they should've overhauled the map & driving mechanics to trim down or outright remove stuff. Not being able to smash things with the Batmobile would've been an acceptable change to improve framerate. Personally I think it'd be nice to get a follow-up video showcasing late game stuff like when there's tons of enemies/tanks and the giant cloud covering Gotham. Just to see how bad the FPS gets since this video only covers the beginning of the game where things are just starting to happening. Since you said that you think this should've been just a Dual-Release of the first two, I'm guessing Asylum & City run way better so that's good to hear. I already have these games on PlayStation so it ultimately doesn't matter for me but it'd suck for newcomers if all three games suffered from major performance issues.
@hasanredzovic2865
8 ай бұрын
We can say "mistakes where made" with this port.
@theraymunator
8 ай бұрын
I think that what might have happened here is that WB crunched Turn Me Up to get this port out as soon as possible, which is why the bundle was delayed back in october right when it was supposed to come out. This would also explain why Asylum stutters in some places for literally no reason.
@Kiyuja
8 ай бұрын
bandwidth has always been a potential issue on the Switch. I'm positive this will be the issue here. Porting a PS4 game to Switch sure isnt an easy task but the processing power should be there to make this atleast a 30 FPS experience. Only good news is that they seem to stick with the reputation of the bad Arkham Knight ports lol
@amakeleven
8 ай бұрын
People forgot that the game itself was delisted from store fronts for these exact issues on capable consoles
@Svante
8 ай бұрын
Yet another example of, just because you can port something, doesn't mean that you should. They should have waited until the next gen Switch.
@denisruskin348
8 ай бұрын
I knew when they announced the port this would run like this. It´s a very detailed, physics and destruction rich open-world and traversal with the batmobile is very fast. THE CPU and memory just can´t keep up, no matter if you OC it to the Olympus. I advise everyone against buying this. Even Asylum has lot's of under 30fps scenarios and the batmobile in Knight is extremely present, I would even say it makes for 40% of the gameplay. Play it elswhere.
@yellowblanka6058
8 ай бұрын
I might pick it up on a DEEP discount for the novelty of having it portably (I have all three on PC, but don't currently own a Steam Deck), but no way is it worth $60.
@SiGeTVee
8 ай бұрын
I got it on Switch regardless. And yes, I have the PC version of all 3 games.
@denisruskin348
8 ай бұрын
@@SiGeTVee Keep at it chap. People like you allow publishers to sell products in an unacceptable state. Not my words but MVG’s, a person who delivered one of the best remasters on the Switch with Quake. Proud of you.
@SiGeTVee
8 ай бұрын
@@denisruskin348 MVG also released the Jurrassic Park games collection which still had questionable emulator and performance issues. And I doubt MVG was alone in handling the Quake Remaster ports on Switch. Someone else was responsible for reducing the draw calls on the Quake 2 Remaster, for instance.
@denisruskin348
8 ай бұрын
@@SiGeTVee Fair point. But doesn’t change the fact that this should not be sellable on the eShop. Maybe Asylum and City, but reduce the price and take out Knight until/if fixed.
@GhostGamer799
8 ай бұрын
So it's need a update to fix the problem
@hitmangfx7162
8 ай бұрын
I just grabbed the trilogy on PC for $9 in the last Steam sale. The series has been treated like trash on console, which is a shame because they are all amazing games!
@shodanargie1574
8 ай бұрын
After I saw that the Steam Deck could handle great at 30 fps but not push much harder in this game like every other UE3 title, I knew the Switch was going to be KO'd
@QuestionBlockGaming
8 ай бұрын
I have a tinfoil hat theory that devs have been releasing subpar ports as part of contractual obligations (with regards to release dates) full well knowing that there's a Switch 2 coming with backwards compatibility that will make these games run way better. The state of this game just adds evidence to that theory.
@Loundsify
8 ай бұрын
I'm not convinced. UE3 is very single thread heavy. But I do think the Switch 2 could handle PS4 quality in games.
@franciscodelico
8 ай бұрын
This is probably the first, and hopefully only time, where a Switch port both impresses me and it also runs poor enough to be a deal breaker. It's kind of paradoxical.
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
8 ай бұрын
I can't wait to see the PS Portal edition of "mistakes where made". What the homebrew community well do with it is tbe only thing about the portable that excites me
@dukemagus
8 ай бұрын
There isn't much hardware on that thing even for that. You might have more luck with a Vita
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
8 ай бұрын
@@dukemagus True but whatever hardware is in there is some kind of Android device, so in time they can probably do something with it. I also expect somebody well take the controller and screen parts of the hardware and build some mind of custom hand held
@poeskey
8 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz i feel like it would be cooler to see a ground up android handheld that's better than the ps portal. Cheap android phone plus a cool shell with a custom ps4/ps5 controller on the outside. Im imagining one of those cool custom handhelds.
@amirpourghoureiyan1637
8 ай бұрын
@@dukemagus its a dualsense with qualcomm 600 architecture, that's plenty more than a Vita - achilles heel will be the non-existent hacking support/ecosystem.
@RunningDownMidAsTechies
8 ай бұрын
Still always so surprising to me that people go out of their way to buy the worst version of a game
@docsavage4921
8 ай бұрын
What we're seeing is the result of career advancement based on nepotism, politics, or pure bottom line considerations. The devs aren't to blame, the upper managements inability or lack of interest is recruiting talent is. I see it all the time in companies, someone in the middle leaves and nobody at the top knows enough about their function to replace them, leaving big holes in day to day operations.
@francissampson
8 ай бұрын
Ports that I have taken a pass on , Gta , Metal Gear Solid , and now Batman 😢
@RonnieBarzel
8 ай бұрын
Has WB (or an on-screen credit) revealed who handled these ports? I remember Virtuos having a hand in the Return to Arkham collection, but hadn’t heard if they’re back for this.
@destroyermcw626
8 ай бұрын
Turn me up maybe?
@markkelly9095
8 ай бұрын
Wonder esp on driving sequences, on the overclocked switch, if u had set FPS to 30 would it be able to create buffer and hence reduce / stop jerky motions ?
@Kevin8082
8 ай бұрын
Don't worry about it, when the switch 3 comes out it will run smoothly /s
@tlingitsoldier
7 ай бұрын
I can't believe this was something that was allowed to be released. Even though I don't usually get motion sickness, watching the driving section for too long is making my head hurt and feeling nauseous.
@ActionJaxonH
6 ай бұрын
It's definitely unfortunate but ya know what? I don't really care. I just wanted Arkham Asylum and City, and those are great on Switch. I just OC my OLED up to CPU=2300, GPU=1300, MEM= 2300 in HANDHELD using NX-Venom which is more stable than 4IFIR or whatever it's called. There's a new Ultra package though that takes it even further, though I suspect once you're this high it makes little difference taking it further.
@paulnewhouse5126
8 ай бұрын
A game on switch that performs really bad and is poorly optimized? Heh, imagine that! 😲
@jadenpokemon8952
5 ай бұрын
It still to this day blows my mind this game was on unreal engine 3. Absolutely gorgeous game.
@cawsking555
8 ай бұрын
part of the engin is comming from the cape when in freeroam but then you get into the car the tank still has the cape and renders the location it may be removed but its under the map with the cape moving at the speed of the tank
@twilightshadow91
8 ай бұрын
WB should have bundles in Arkham Origins instead of Arkham Knight. I like that game better anyway.
@chenzo55BETA
8 ай бұрын
*GASP* a bad Arkham knight port?! Ya don’t say! This is like, the 2nd time that’s happened
@shodanargie1574
8 ай бұрын
Are you going to test the game on steam deck? It handles it self really well even at high settings and framerates are high BUT it does drop when driving hard or bombdiving so streaming might be an issue. I played on the deck with a 32fps cap and it felt good. but on the in game benchmark it easily hit the high 60s and mosty stayed at 50. the drops in traversal are the problem
@MrFathead
8 ай бұрын
I am pretty sure this game is just poorly made because even on pc it was like this.
@GhostCodeRG
8 ай бұрын
nah it was handed to a shitty dev to port, the same dev who ported that AWFUL last of us port
@7ndrew
8 ай бұрын
It's just so weird how much WB seems to ignore Arkham Origins Would've been a lot better fit for the Switch than Knight
@scaratlas3347
8 ай бұрын
Its made by wb montreal not by rocksteady so its probably lincensing stuff
@liublanka3925
8 ай бұрын
So sick of greedy companies porting crap to 2015 mobile hardware and acting like it’s not trash. NRS and their $70 ps2 games
@blakryptonite1
8 ай бұрын
But what about the Nintendo seal of quality? Did Nintendo even inspect the quality on this? Seems like a low barrier for a big name publisher.
@keiiko
8 ай бұрын
never was this early.... about the game tho, this game feels like when i tried to emulate PSP games on my old old phone, lowres graphic and stuttering making the game unplayable...
@tyrantxii1095
8 ай бұрын
Ive played a good bit of the game and it is very much playable. Ive only noticed slight frame rate drops when driving
@JohnGatsbyThe3rd
8 ай бұрын
I highly doubt that.
@Deliveredmean42
8 ай бұрын
I am surprised you got used to the jutter, stutter and all framerate drops. So be ready with the later half of the game which can be worse...
@tyrantxii1095
8 ай бұрын
@@Deliveredmean42 i am already in the later half of the game, and its no worse than the early game to me, I have played games with far worse performance than Arkham Knight on Switch Halo MCC at launch in 2014 for example Shadow of Mordor of Ps3
@Deliveredmean42
8 ай бұрын
Still, it still makes us wish it should have waited a bit longer when the newer hardware comes out. And given how much it sacrifice to make it work probably was an expensive investment. Not to mention probably didn't even optimized or fix the underlying code mess that it came with@@tyrantxii1095
@xXFlameHaze92Xx
8 ай бұрын
at least i can recommend this over the PC Version even after a sea of patches is still a bad port, Switch is still consistent
@quantizedanson
8 ай бұрын
The Texture streaming issues are still a thing even on PC, but it was way worse at launch back then and WB has to pull the game out of shelves for months to fix it to a much better state. Switch version we see here has reduced texture size, minimum shadow and nonexistent ambient occlusions, and yet we are basically looking at history repeating itself. Improvements certainly can be made but i doubt it would make much of a difference.
@taian670
8 ай бұрын
AAA title switch optimization in 2023: downsize textures, lower resolution and call it a day... watch people blame the hardware...
@brkbtjunkie
8 ай бұрын
Yes and no, the switch hardware was always handicapped from the outset. The full fat tegra x1 has a lot more power to offer as well as 4K output but nintendo knows best when it comes to muh battery lifes.
@ThibautMahringer
8 ай бұрын
@@brkbtjunkie 4K output with a 0.5TF GPU when running at full speed (on Switch the GPU is not running at full speed, which means 0.39TF docked) Expecting anything remotely close to 4K is just wishful thinking. Unless they release Pong 4K on a Tegra X1 Switch with 4K support
@madness9651
8 ай бұрын
This port only makes sense with a Switch 2 in mind as anyone from the target audience can just play the game on their PC, it's 8 years old. You release these ports because you want to milk money from them with special sales, which you can't on a console that is about to phase out.
@mechadeka
8 ай бұрын
@@brkbtjunkie I don't think the 4k output of the Tegra X1 really meant for anything other than streaming video, such as in the Nvidia Shield.
@byronjoel1400
8 ай бұрын
@@ThibautMahringerIt's 1Teraflop not 0.5.
@HerZeL3iDza
8 ай бұрын
As amazing as Arkham Knight looks and sounds I always felt UE3 (heavily modified or not) was not the best choice. I wish they remastered this game on a modern engine that actually uses multi threading properly. But it seems like DICE is the only developer that can do this with their Frostbite engine.
@Loundsify
8 ай бұрын
And Idtech
@TheBitishDragon
8 ай бұрын
Honestly the switch should generally be able to handle most unreal3 games with some specific tweeking its generally been unreal4 games that have been nearly impossible to port to switch outside a few rare cases.
@SAsaiyajin
8 ай бұрын
No. Overal UE3 works worse than UE4 on Switch they need to tweak that more. The TX1 is made with UE4 in mind.
@dukemagus
8 ай бұрын
Any chance of of the memory not being fast enough to load the chunks of streaming assets?
@garytallowin6623
8 ай бұрын
I would think its more down to amount of memory + limitations of the switch storage data transfer rate.
@brkbtjunkie
8 ай бұрын
Coincidently I’m playing through all the Batman games on Xbox right now. Return to Arkham city does 45 FPS doubled to 90 if you have a 120hz vrr display. Thought that was pretty neat.
@EbefrenRevo
8 ай бұрын
change display or refresh rate DOESNT bust up fps. Probably you get a lower resolution.
@stopthisatonce
8 ай бұрын
The game doesn't get any kind of FPS boost on Xbox regardless of configuration. You can get VRR if you also have a 120Hz screen though. And Xbox has built in low framerate compensation. But it's still 45FPS.
@Slytalion
8 ай бұрын
You are sadly way to optimistic, this cannot be salvaged on hardware like the Switch and WB will never spend the money required to make something half decent out of the dumpsterfire that is this port, after all they knew this was the outcome and released the port anyway, quality does not often seem to be a priority for WB.
@Fuuntag
8 ай бұрын
Only thing limited here is how this game runs. Game has issues at its very core, this is never going to be fixed sufficieintly
@haralamc
8 ай бұрын
Im just guessing hear but I'd imagine with that little step every few seconds is some memory cache refreshing or page swapping going on maybe something like that?
@headintheclouds999
8 ай бұрын
It desperately needs multiple updates, it's possible, but I don't expect miracles. I can live with the cuts but not with broken textures or frame rates below 18 and lower. I mean, cut the depth of field, cut the rain effect, make more loading screens, cut some advance lightning etc.
@ryanscottwright
8 ай бұрын
In the end, nothing can be done to make the game look better. I switch that is
@WolfmanDude
8 ай бұрын
Man thats rough, looks worse than average 2009 PC Gaming. I thought we would be further at this point when it comes to mobile gaming consoles. I found a 15W TDP for the GPU alone, so its not even that low power.
@dark_mode
8 ай бұрын
Glad I got a Steam Deck. 60fps lock almost all the time with minimal dips.
@Beaut_Beau
8 ай бұрын
What a shock an extremely demanding game doesn't run well on the switch lol
@JuanD817
8 ай бұрын
Gonna play the first 2 games on switch, if Arkham Knight doesn't get fixed by then I'm gonna play it on another platform, thankfully its extreamly cheap nowadays and almost always on sale with all its DLC
@darkridearts
8 ай бұрын
Same
@PwnySlaystation01
8 ай бұрын
They haven't even unlocked the 30 fps limit in Arkham Knight on new consoles, the PS5 or Series X.... So I can't imagine they're willing to put much effort into optimizing this mess either.
@NashMuhandes
8 ай бұрын
I had to Google a 60 FPS PC gameplay video of Arkham Knight after watching this video just to wash my eyes
@PresidentKony
8 ай бұрын
It's basically like they tried to port The Samaritan UE3 tech demo to a switch/tegra-x1
@losangeleskingsfan15
8 ай бұрын
At this point, I would just play it on the OG PS4. The game, granted, did not run that well on that system either. Tons of screen tearing, but all the particle effects when driving really hid it well. I barely noticed it after a while. Not to mention the framerate was more stable. I don't think they'll be able to tone down any more effects. It's gonna look like something out of LowSpecGamer. This game didn't have a proper foundation when it was being coded in 2013. Like a building, its foundation has to be sound or else you'll run into problems later.
@Absquatula
8 ай бұрын
Why does the batmobile sound like a dentist drill?
@weeeeeeeeeeeew
8 ай бұрын
Clueless.
@Absquatula
8 ай бұрын
@@weeeeeeeeeeeew wait I'm clueless? Or do you not know either? I've never played the game so I don't know
@forasago
8 ай бұрын
Somebody already fixed all these traversal / streaming stutters on the PC version. This was years ago and they could have used the same tweaks to make this game run properly on a Switch. They chose not to, just like they chose not to include these fixes in the PC version via a patch. You still need to install a mod to get flawless performance in Arkham Knight on PC. It's one of those games that has never gotten fixed officially even though WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY. WB are trash.
@theshadowdirector
8 ай бұрын
Wish they would have considered porting Arkham Origins instead and stop treating it like a black sheep.
@pppgggr
8 ай бұрын
Lol. I am not surprised in the least. This game was a launch day disaster on the PS4. The switch didnt stand a chance.
@LilleTotte
8 ай бұрын
WB didn't give half a crap about the PC version until they realized it would be bad publicity so I don't have any high hopes that they'll be prioritizing fixes for the Switch version.
@lostvector2014
8 ай бұрын
When the game is I/O bound, it matters a lot whether you run the benchmarks off internal storage vs an SD card. Maybe you can test that next.
@boredstudent
8 ай бұрын
This is why we want the new Nintendo platform. That Nvidia Tegra X1 is more than outdated at this point. Now that rumored platform is said to be able to compete with the PS4. the PS4 was able to run Arkham Knight with ease so that new Nintendo platform (I'm not calling it a Switch Pro because it's possible it won't even be a new Nintendo Switch) should be able to run demanding games like the Arkham games no problem
@MetallicBlade
8 ай бұрын
It was already very outdated back in 2017. Nintendo should have never released such a weak system to mass market from the get-go. Did everyone forget the abysmal performance which it had back on its _own_ launch title? That should have been a automatic red flag for everyone. But no, people will continue to support a company that had always put in the least amount of effort into the actual hardware. That ship of 'Nintendo Power' had sailed away after the Gamecube got replaced by the Wii. PS. Wait, their next gen Switch will compete with the PS4 that came out almost a decade ago... in 2024/5? Are they _completely_ out of their minds?
@wickedcaitsith
8 ай бұрын
This port is a prime example of "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."
@robertlawrence9000
8 ай бұрын
This game has no business on Switch or any system with this kind of performance. This is obviously a money grab releasing it in this condition.
@dmaa88
8 ай бұрын
Yeesh, that is rough man! makes the OG PC release port look and feel smooth like butter! XD
@Manmade023
8 ай бұрын
Switch had a potato hardware in 2017 and it evolved into super potato in 2023
@pooripantra
8 ай бұрын
I remember at launch this game wasn’t playable with 980 and i7 its running on switch is a miracle
@SirinGaming
8 ай бұрын
well considering the switch gpu is based on the same architecture as the 900 series it isnt surprising
@rohansharma8956
8 ай бұрын
With patches and overclocking, you can run BOTW at a solid 60 fps. I’m sure that we will be able to run this trilogy at 60 as well
@novelezra
8 ай бұрын
Its bizarre that Geoff Keighley infamously cooked Reggie of Nintendo during an interview about how Batman on the Wii u was a disappointing port and yet they did it again.
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