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@raptorblarg2284
Жыл бұрын
The reason that the F-16 is so cheap and was developed so quickly was because so much time and money was spent developing the F-15. The F-16 used all that tech to reach what it became. Also the first AIM-9 was fired in anger in the Korean war. It was either an AIM-9 A or B.
@DeeGray-pq3lg
Жыл бұрын
Is there anyway else to become member without spending month and like your videos
@spendor9377
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant documentary. 👏👏👏
@MrGksarathy
Жыл бұрын
Disappointed that you guys have perpetuated the lies of the Fighter Plane Mafia.
@TheRezro
Жыл бұрын
@KingsandGenerals Sorry, but I must protest that! Fighter Mafia have nothing to do with development of F-16, A-10 or "saving" F-15. Pierre Spray is notorious liar and his involvement in F-16 was designing sounds in the cockpit. While story of rebel experts sound cool. They did not have real impact on the projects, but were bunch of "journalists" who did have a "opinions" but zero influence. And some of them possibly known John Boid. Though this respected pilot generally disagree with they claims. They declared early prototype of F-16 they dream machine for features like lack of radar (sic!). Not understanding that it is used only for aviation tests and plane always was meant to be a normal multi-purpose fighter (it always did have ground attack mod) and not something intended for dogfight. Yes, they idea was something like F-86 Sabre (sic!). Development of A-10 has nothing to do with them, beside that guy from Pentagon Wars have similar idea. And his false claims are yet another story. Anyway, simple fact is that Fighter Mafia is not real and those fanbous were not real military experts and didn't actually have impact on those projects.
@fillefrans2020
Жыл бұрын
Can I also remind everyone that "The Fighter Mafia" also didn't want a radar in the F-16? Seriously, they have better PR than they have actual merits.
@mikond
Жыл бұрын
small correction, that was the F-15 but still yeah... fighter mafia is bunch of idiots nobody should listen to.
@jakesully2868
Жыл бұрын
Fact.
@thomasvandevelde8157
Жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one hearing some massive myths here. I expect Pierre Spray to pop up in the video any moment, claiming he designed the P-51 Mustang before he did the F-16 ;-)
@emwhaibee
Жыл бұрын
F18s then??
@dirgniflesuoh7950
Жыл бұрын
Ooops ...
@appropriatemetaphor
Жыл бұрын
The fighter mafia would have hated the f16. Thing has “useless” radar, missiles, computers etc.
@danielmolinar8669
Жыл бұрын
And yet, they "made it", supposedly
@BeratLjumani
Жыл бұрын
Short answer: No Long answer: It’s a platform that’s a decent Dog Fighter, has out maneuvered and out-sped Russian Air Defense Systems in other countries, and most importantly is able to integrate Storm Shadow, and other long range munitions with out needing a Frankenstein grafting by Sergei in the garage. It also means Ukraine can retire the Sukhoi-24, the Russian equivalent of F-14 in terms of hard to replace and maintain parts. And relegate them to training craft or less dangerous fronts to conduct strikes. This also means the Russians who have spent over a year trying to destroy Ukraines only jet capable of being made usable for Western munitions efforts just went down the drain. And would have to start over… While Ukraine uses it to make the lives of every Russian hell in the same manner Russia has. It’s not strategically devastating, but getting possibly all 43 of Denmarks F-16s would be a sad day for Russia.
@umjackd
Жыл бұрын
People get caught up on individual weapon systems, and media like to play up the drama by asking if one weapon would win the war. The truth is that, especially in the low numbers being provided, there's always time for an opponent to adapt.
@Sufferingzify
Жыл бұрын
It has now become easier to destroy these units, as they would need manicured runways to operate from, unlike the SU-24 and SU-25 that hopped runways and highways being resupplied and rearmed on non-ideal surfaces. The first manicured runways spotted on satellites will be cratered and hangers struck.
@lachbullen8014
Жыл бұрын
Ukrainian Air Force will probably won't retire the su-24 anytime soon depending on what variant it is they might still have a use for it also it might not be such a bad idea for former Soviet Bloc to donate their Soviet error equipment it's kind of ironic that Ukraine a former Soviet subjects is fighting against their former overlords with Soviet era equipment mixed in with western..
@davidryan7386
Жыл бұрын
@@SufferingzifyRussia will do whatever it takes to punk these. Including carpet bombing the airports they use.
@blazinchalice
Жыл бұрын
@Sufferingzify I hope Ukraine and NATO allies read this YT comment because you obviously thought of something that nobody else has considered yet! You have to get promoted to the highest echelons of decision-making immediately!
@barryboushehri1707
Жыл бұрын
I am really disappointed that K&G can't distinguish F4 with F16!!
@ProvidenceNL
Жыл бұрын
Yeah this is pretty terrible.
@AGenericAccount
Жыл бұрын
The model changes later in the video. They're talking about the phantom and the fighter mafia before they get to the f16.
@Markfr0mCanada
Жыл бұрын
They will certainly help. Will they win air superiority for Ukraine? Probably not. They will however keep the skies contested, as after 18 months of fighting with a technological disadvantage the Ukrainian air force will have taken substantial losses.
@carlflaherty2215
Жыл бұрын
Not enough of them are being provided.
@superyamky
Жыл бұрын
Better than nothing ig
@carlflaherty2215
Жыл бұрын
@@superyamky Much better than nothing, but the U.S. needs to get directly involved. (Disclosure: I'm an American.) Some of those A-10s that we're retiring would also be a huge help.
@4Fixerdave
Жыл бұрын
@@carlflaherty2215 "Not enough of them are being provided." A couple on standby loaded with ARAAM, waiting for NATO surveillance to indicate incoming threats, could drastically reduce the Russian glide-bombs etc.. A couple of them packed with JDAMS that can be targeted in-flight could solve a lot of problems on an offensive. And, a couple of then flying together on the deck over some cheering Ukrainian soldiers will most definitely improve morale and saturate KZitem for a week :) And really, considering the main use for Ukrainian and Russian aircraft is to pitch up and lob unguided rockets... how could even a few properly equipped aircraft not make a noticeable difference?
@haakoflo
Жыл бұрын
At present, the control of the air over Ukraine is mostly decided by SAMs (Surface-to-Air missiles), not by fighters fighting fighters. Neither Russia nor Ukraine have equipment that is well suited to supress or destroy enemy air defenses (DEAD/SEAD missions). There is very little reason for Ukraine to use a tiny number of F-16s for air supremacy in the beginning. Patriots and other air defense systems is the only way to do that until much larger numbers arrive. However, with the F-16's, Ukraine suddenly gains access to several new systems for going after enemy air defenses, both in terms of getting full potential out of the HARM missiles, better ECM/countermeasures pods, and the ability to use systems such as the Mavericks to shoot ground tarkets (including missile batteries) that do not emit radar waves.
@warrenschrader7481
Жыл бұрын
Mistake at 8:04. It's not 17 hours maintenance per 1 hour airborne after each flight. First, it's man-hours, not hours. Those man-hours can be split up among several people to accomplish a faster turnaround. Second, that maintenance is not done after EACH flight. Those are average figures that take into account all of the work to be done over the expected life of the aircraft. That includes everything from routine maintenance to a major engine overhaul.
@ns5575-j2w
Жыл бұрын
Improvement: Yes, Game changer: No. The HARM missiles will be more effective but Ukraine lacks airborne radars and air refueling tankers.
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
You wouldn't need air refueling. The frontline is quite close.
@kevinherlihy9471
Жыл бұрын
An F-4 phantom right at the start of the video about F-16. Moved on.
@sidharthcs2110
Жыл бұрын
MIG 29s and SU 27s aren't the only ones Russia has. SU 30 , SU 35 are also present, not to mention SU 27 upgrades
@davidblair9877
Жыл бұрын
I came across a Perun video some weeks ago which suggested that Zelenskyy is also lobbying for Swedish Gripen fighters and Meteor missiles. Would love to see a discussion of how those might affect the battlespace. Gripens are notably cheaper and less maintenance-intensive than Falcons, which might be important for Ukrainian logistics and ground crews. I don’t know enough about the Meteor to comment on its effect, but Perun described it as more or less the best air-to-air missile in current production.
@mightymagnus
Жыл бұрын
Yes, it is a way better plane but it is not produced in the same numbers. But technically it is far superior (except range and no nuclear capability which are rather benefits for Ukraine), one of the best things for Ukraine would be that Gripen can use normal roads for landing and take-off (F16 needs perfect airfields).
@nobodyherepal3292
Жыл бұрын
@@piotrd.4850good thing it doesn’t take 5 years to train on a Gripen then 😉
@nobodyherepal3292
Жыл бұрын
@@mightymagnusthe F-16 can take off from Highway strips too. It was designed to do so off West German highways in the Cold War.
@mightymagnus
Жыл бұрын
@@nobodyherepal3292 , as I understand they still need almost perfect condition runway while the Gripen can handle messy runway too
@nobodyherepal3292
Жыл бұрын
@@mightymagnus again, the F-16 was expect to operate off ad-hoc runways under nuclear fallout conditions in west Germany during the Cold War, if it went hot. I don’t know we’re people keep getting this idea that our 4th Gen fighters are high maintenance.
@quirkmaster3064
Жыл бұрын
The entire opening doesn’t show f16s - come on guys you are way better than that
@cyrnos1655
Жыл бұрын
It's always too late, too incremental. Ukraine needed this way sooner, along with tanks and other equipments
@lightningwingdragon973
Жыл бұрын
*Ukraine gets f-16 *Video showing f-4 phantom
@haakoflo
Жыл бұрын
Small number's of F-16's are not going to cause a significant effect on the ground war in the first several months. More likely, I think, is that the first shipents are sent mostly to desentisize the Russian civilian population to Ukraine receiving jets. Militarily, their best use may be to start attriting Russian air defense systems by performing mostly DEAD/SEAD missions, so that as larger numbers start to arrive, Ukraine may achieve parity and maybe some level of superiority next summer. I would be surprised if the Biden administration doesn't already have a plan in mind for how to maximally benefit from any Ukrainian breakthroughs by having them relatively close in time to the 2024 elections.
@FLJBeliever1776
Жыл бұрын
I hate to say this, but you should go back and redo your research. There are quite a few errors in this video about the F-16 Fighting Falcon. One of the notable errors is that the Fighter Mafia was not involved in the F-16s development. While they did come up with some of their own theories and ideas, they were limited to a desire to go back to Second World War style aerial combat. They hated both missiles and radar and were even opposed to something like ejection seats in order to save weight and make Fighters extremely maneuver. Like on the level of the Mitsubishi A6M Type 0 Naval Interceptor Fighter. And everyone knows how that one actually worked out. Boyd himself may have been an instructor, but he was not experienced in combat. He had ZERO combat tours and was part of the structure that would train US Pilots that would go into combat in Vietnam. There have been some claims he intentionally undertrained his pilots in order to make people believe he was a flying genius. Given he was one of the many flight instructors whose pilots were torn apart over Vietnam, it makes some sense especially after people pointed out his aggression against people who asked certain kinds of questions. Given that there are video recordings of him in point of fact being abruptly aggressive when asked questions went against his beliefs, there is definitely some merit to that. The F-16 was not conceived in the 1960s and the USAF was not interested in such Fighters. It already had the F-5A/B Freedom Fighter and its upgraded F-5E/F Tiger II Fighters. These would eventually be developed into the F-20A Tigershark, which met all the requirements that led to the F-16, but was not chosen due to the abrupt appearance of the F-16 Fighting Falcon. With the F-15 Eagle already entering service alongside the A-10 Thunderbolt II, the areas of both Air Interception and Close Air Support were fully covered. The USAF had been spurred to develop the A-10 due to being forced to borrow US Navy and US Marine Corps A-6 Intruders and A-7 Corsairs. Though they replaced the original 20mm Autocannons with a M61 Vulcan. A design modification the Navy and Marines liked and therefore kept and retrofitted to their entire fleet of both aircraft. Due to the success of A-10, F-15, and F-16 Aircraft in combat, the Fighter Mafia would go on to claim the work and thoughts of others as their own. In reality, they viciously opposed many of the developments that went into the three aircraft. Including the Ejection Seats, Radar, Missiles, EW Suites, HUDs, and other common-sense components as well as the advanced technological additions. Very little developed by the entire Fighter Mafia actually has been used or is in use by any military, let alone the US Military. The Fighter Mafia has better PR than substance. Indeed, Boyd claimed considerable involvement in the development of the F-15 Eagle, but his own proposal was rejected not only because it sought to get rid of all of the previously mentioned bits and pieces that make up a modern Fighter, but Boyd also even went as far as to insist on eliminating Internal Fuel Tanks and Landing Gear to shave weight. Aside from external Drop Tanks to provide fuel, which would be dropped when in combat, the Landing Gear was to come off like that of the Me 163 Komet. Only, unlike the Komet, Boyd didn't even allow for skies to be added on. The most he wound up doing is having his own personal research looked at for the wings, but even then, his concepts were rejected. To really sum up the Fighter Mafia, they were little better than being a Military Scientology. Which sums up their credibility quite simply. With a big ouch. The F-16 was developed as part of the Air Force's experience in Vietnam. The one thing regarding many USAF Generals that the Fighter Mafia got right, was that many of the Generals were Nuclear Weapons oriented and came up from Bombers. But when their strict Bomber and Nuclear oriented views were shoved to the side, USAF kills went up and their losses went down. The USAF also already knew of the MiG-17's threat to their aircraft having used USANG F-86 Sabres as stand ins for some training and testing. But later got their hands on a pair of actual models that allowed them to learn the ins and outs. Once more, thanks to Israel. Though in this case, unlike the MiG-21 the Israelis got, the pair of MiG-17s were a pair of pilots who got lost and had outdated maps that landed them, quite literally, in Israeli hands. Civilians at first and then Military. The Lightweight Fighter Project would be borne out of the Vietnam War and create the F-16, which had only a slight advantage, at the time, over the F-20A which was then slated for export until President Reagan made the F-16 available for export.
@Cptnbond
Жыл бұрын
Ukraine's armed forces are in the transition to Western weapons. The old Soviet equipment was in stock at the beginning of the aggression. Thus, regardless of whether the war continues for years or will have a temporary 'peace' period. Ukraine's future air force is a Western-style force. The army has already progressed a bit further. Slava Ukraine.
@AlexSDU
Жыл бұрын
6:52 Love it how they use the M-134 Minigun (7.62mm x 51mm NATO) to represent the M-61 Vulcan (20mm x 102mm).🤣
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
People really watching this on mute for asking why the F-4 is shown at the start.
@nickmcgookin247
Жыл бұрын
Never seen winglets on a missle before. Is that a throw away winglet on the aim 9?
@18thCenturyMulatto
Жыл бұрын
I’m expecting initial good results, then right back to grind.
@jjt1881
Жыл бұрын
Those are not F16 Falcons, they are F4 Phantoms.
@panos617
Жыл бұрын
Soldiers and Weapons wins Battles. Logistics wins War.
@LostShipMate
Жыл бұрын
Why do they keep showing F-4s when talking about F-16s?
@Therabidrabbit89
Жыл бұрын
F16s are like the Perrigrine falcons of the Airforce, small, fast and agile but such a nice plane them and the f-15E 😍
@mtesfai
Жыл бұрын
Those are F4 fighters from Vietnam era at the beginning of the video
@williamhenning4700
Жыл бұрын
Would’ve been good to have given them some at the beginning of the war, as it is, Ukraine had pretty much zero air defense which allowed Russia to bomb civilian centers nonstop…
@TheRezro
Жыл бұрын
In every country air defense protect primarily a military targets. Because only laser attack civilians.
@Negativvv
Жыл бұрын
It sucks bad how politics stops Ukraine being given everything it needs when it needs it. I get that if the flood gates opened completely it would escalate in Russia's eyes but it's at the cost of Ukrainian lives.
@zjeee
Жыл бұрын
It's not about politics, it's about nukes. If Russia had 0 nukes the war would have been over a long time ago.
@Negativvv
Жыл бұрын
That's pretty much the same thing. As the nuclear umbrella means the West can't just send their own troops, establish a no fly zone or other large escalation. I believe RU has a doctrine of only going nuclear to defend its sovereignty which makes their sham votes in UA a bit of a wild card on what they will assume is ok.
@Ordinarygentleman-sx8vl
Жыл бұрын
@@zjeee And if the Americans had not created nuclear weapons, then Russia would not have them, because there is simply no need to create them. So, should we now blame the Americans for the protracted conflict? 😂
@emilchan5379
Жыл бұрын
@@Ordinarygentleman-sx8vl Ummm, you do know that multiple countries had their own atomic weapons programme right? Hell, even Nazi Germany had their own programme. If America hadn't created atomic weapons, then someone else would have.
@williamhenning4700
Жыл бұрын
@@Ordinarygentleman-sx8vl Russia was already developing nukes independently with their captured German scientists they snatched up post-WW2. You should be grateful America got their first or you’d be speaking Russian.
@josephbiggus6757
Жыл бұрын
Last time the Viper shot a Russian aircraft is 2015. Turkish F16 shot down a transpassing SU24 at Turkish-Syrian border.
@ugandanknuckles1267
Жыл бұрын
a few f16's wont change a thing for ukraine
@balaclavabob001
Жыл бұрын
A few ? no . Nearly 100 so far .. oh yeah .
@hamishgaffaney5323
Жыл бұрын
@balaclavabob001 who do you think is going to fly those f 16s ?
@balaclavabob001
Жыл бұрын
@@hamishgaffaney5323 Ukrainians .
@Skj-Aldor
Жыл бұрын
@@hamishgaffaney5323Ukrainians, who else? If you think there are none left you should probably expand your information intake. If you take the Russian claims at face value, they claim to have shot down the Ukrainian airforce multiple times over. If what they say were true they‘d be besieging Lwiw by now.
@987ujhpl
Жыл бұрын
@@balaclavabob001 half of which doesn't work. And another half with no pilots. And the remaining ones that can fly might as well be kamikaze
@badluck5647
Жыл бұрын
All the new weapons platforms will be the major boon. With the F-16 comes new cruise missles, anti-radar missles, anti-ship missles, bunker busters, etc.
@987ujhpl
Жыл бұрын
Yeah which country would be so kind to donate missiles that costs millions of dollars a piece in significant numbers
@badluck5647
Жыл бұрын
@@987ujhpl Countries that want to give weapons to Ukraine without further drawing down on their stockpile of ground launch missles.
@badluck5647
Жыл бұрын
@@987ujhpl If money was an issue than Ukraine wouldn't be getting fighter jets.
@987ujhpl
Жыл бұрын
@@badluck5647 100 missiles isn't going to change anything. If each one is 1M USD, that is already 100M USD.
@badluck5647
Жыл бұрын
@@987ujhpl Obviously you don't use them on trenches or any other low value target. However, there are plenty of naval ships, bridges, ammunition dumps, and command & control targets. For example, if Ukrainia launches harpoon missles to sink a Russian ship, then that ship can't launch cruise missles at hospitals and grain silos. This will also save on multi-million dollar air defense missles.
@wyattdean5192
Жыл бұрын
got a lot of misinformation in this video about the F-16, not intentionally just not enough research
@marzbanofmerv2324
Жыл бұрын
Ukraine would be paying well into 3050 for all these western "help"
@chosk80
Жыл бұрын
@@noterrormanagement if you think the paying stops there you must be relatively optimistic.
@chrisraines1564
Жыл бұрын
This is straight up a propaganda piece for some smug old guys that never even worked in the building plan of aircraft.
@alphateam13
Жыл бұрын
why so many picturesof the f4 in the into about an f16?
@wiktorberski9272
Жыл бұрын
Really interesting
@Greenlax18
Жыл бұрын
Did Boeing and Lockheed Martin support this message?
@moderatelyapathetic3280
Жыл бұрын
F-16 is one of the most successful and cost effective aircraft of all time. It was revolutionary for its time. I don’t know if it’s a game changer in Ukraine but it’s definitely an upgrade
@srb1855
Жыл бұрын
If this video is about the F16 why do you show an F4 in the opening segment ???
@josepnebotrius872
Жыл бұрын
The F16 will be a great complement as Ukraine has been fighting outnumbered and against a technological superior foe for 19 months. Those F16 exdutch and exdanish were modernized to a level similar to the late 90s early 00s block50. While ukranian MiGs and Sukhois were older than their russian counterparts many 80s tech. While ukranian aircrafts need to be adapted to use western weaponry those F16 needen't. Maybe in the next year Ukraine will only operate 2-3 dozens not enough to be a total game changer but a good addition to Ukranian inventory. The same way than NASAMS and Patriot SAMP-T or adding the Sparrow to the Buk SAM allowed ukrainans to save their diminished Russian missiles stocks.
@networkgeekstuff9090
Жыл бұрын
Oh no, the "fighter mafia" nonsense myth again..... maybe I should start claiming that I designed F-35 on RT channel and write some books and I will be a few years down the road in youtube videos and wikipedia as F-35 designer.
@hamishgaffaney5323
Жыл бұрын
Like the himars, patriots, western tanks where games changes 😂😂😂
@balaclavabob001
Жыл бұрын
PLooking forward to your explanation of why russia is being overrun by Ukraine if those items weren't game changers . Are you saying that russia is just not very good ?
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
HIMARS literally changed the game. Russia went from multi-pronged offensives to a slow crawl. HIMARS broke the back of the Russian army.
@jackkunkel
Жыл бұрын
Both sides are getting better, more powerful, more experienced in modern warfare. Before this is over, one of them will be the best army in the world.
@achilies97
Жыл бұрын
I’m bummed heavily this channel has turned into what it is now wanting you to pay to see their hood videos, and over half your content is either Ukrainian or Byzantine stuff there’s no diverse group of videos any more and it’s super sad you guys only care about whatever money you get and scamming the rest of us over. I hope myself and other people unsubscribing will turn your channel around but probably not
@balaclavabob001
Жыл бұрын
You want them to do it for free ? Would you ?
@reidsimonson
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s a game changer. Pushes Russia closer to using nukes. And that will be a global game changer.
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
Muh NOOKS
@KingsandGenerals
Жыл бұрын
Russia won't use nukes. Topic for one of the next videos.
@zjeee
Жыл бұрын
Russia has been threatening with Nukes about 3000 times already, let them threaten once more. The red line has been crossed yada yada... we will use nukes bla bla for the 3001st time. I seriously doubt they will use nukes now, more likely they will announce a full mobilization before ever considering nukes. They have 1 million soldiers and another 2 million reserves, if they want to win they can just call them up and it's game over. They probably won't though as that could potentially be game over for Putin as well.
@HistoryTeacherSteve
Жыл бұрын
lmao. lol. Okay Reid
@samwill7259
Жыл бұрын
If we let Putin do whatever they please because they say "Oh but we might use nukes if we don't get to do whatever we want :(" Then we might as well declare Putin king of the world and save us all the fucking time.
@hugosteegleetz1193
Жыл бұрын
I can know longer subriscribe to warmongers channels. Sorry
@Killer1260
Жыл бұрын
That's why you support Russia? Maybe support defensive nations if you don't like war instead of being hypocritical
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
The warmongers are in Moscow.
@987ujhpl
Жыл бұрын
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD The biggest one is USA
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
@@987ujhpl Why?
@theconqueringram5295
Жыл бұрын
Looks like a good aircraft!
@RICHARDSIMMONS.tRICKy
10 ай бұрын
If the A.A.M.R.A.M. is a meduim range A.A. missile, what is the west's long range equivelant?
@HUN-TER_BIDEN
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion the only thing the f16 can be used for successfully in Ukraine is launching standoff weapons like cruise missiles
@SuperChodot
Жыл бұрын
Game changer are 1 million trained soldiers, 10000 tanks, 10000 self propelled howitzer, 10000 IFV etc. Not 10 this 10 that.
@haakoflo
Жыл бұрын
That kind of force might be enough to take Moscow, which would almost certainly trigger nuclear war. With a few dozen F-16s sent now, and a stead supply of new equipment (more fighters, tanks, amunition, etc), it's possible that the 2024 summer offensive is able to make some breakthroughs.
@SoulRocketMan
10 ай бұрын
@@haakoflokeep dreaming.
@TheNoNameCast
Жыл бұрын
It's surprising to see you guys fall for a common historical myth for once. The contribution of the 'Fighter Plane Mafia' to the F-16 as well as other aircraft designs has at this point been largely discredited as a fabrication made for the purposes of self-promotion by the likes of Boyd and Sprey. Hope you can make a correction to the development history of the aircraft!
@lightningwingdragon973
Жыл бұрын
We keep trying, but they go back and re add it to the wiki
@MrGksarathy
Жыл бұрын
Seriously? That actually sucks, especially since good creators like LazerPig have been shouting about this for years now.
@thomasvandevelde8157
Жыл бұрын
The Great Pierre Spray knows better! I almost expected them to say he designed the F-16 lol
@davidhughes8357
Жыл бұрын
Good grief! gentlemen!!!
@MrGksarathy
Жыл бұрын
@@thomasvandevelde8157 I read that in LazerPig's voice, lol.
@nicknaylor9895
Жыл бұрын
I would not cite the fighter mafia, they actually went out of their way to sabotage technological progress in aircraft. And when new planes were finally fielded, they took credit for them without contributing anything.
@TheRezro
Жыл бұрын
Furthermore they were not members of the procurement or designer team. Pierre Sprey was sound designer for cockpit. He was laughed and kicked out from office, when he "save" F-15 with his "ideas". And Boid was not a member of Fighter Mafia. He in fact loved F-15.
@logank444
Жыл бұрын
Lazerpig
@davidfuller581
Жыл бұрын
The start of the video is funny - you're talking about Vipers but showing F-4 Phantoms and a MiG-21. Also - the "Fighter Mafia" is a self-aggrandizing myth.
@hctim96
Жыл бұрын
Agree with the F4 comment and disagree with the "Fighter Mafia" comment. you are wrong. Tell that to John Boyd and Thomas P Christie.
@RemusValeryain
Жыл бұрын
Nah, the fighter mafia is a myth. They claim to have built everything yet were never on any projects
@jackzhang8677
Жыл бұрын
@@hctim96there were a lot more people in the fighter mafia than Boyd and Christie, and while those two had some success with their energy-maneuver theory, a lot of their positions were bunk. If the fighter mafia had their way, no modern American fighter would have a radar or missiles like the AIM-120 and AGM-65. Their ideal fighter was an F-5 with two heat seekers and an A-10 with just its gun.
@davidfuller581
Жыл бұрын
@@hctim96 Neither of them were accomplished fighter pilots, Boyd in particular was a self-aggrandizing jackass who only served one tour in Korea (where he got no kills) and then as an instructor would stunt on trainees to make himself look better than he was.
@Blank27
Жыл бұрын
The F-16's going to Ukraine won't be vipers, they'll be F-16 A/B Block 20 MLU.
@thepsychicspoon5984
Жыл бұрын
Im always skeptical when I hear how something is a "game changer". The F-16, western tanks, and HIMARS are not "wunderweapons". There is no such thing and there probably never will be. However, what they are, is force multipliers. The real magic happens when they are in adequate numbers. Properly used and maintained by highly skilled professional soldiers, and most importantly, working together like a well coordinated sports team.
@alexd832
Жыл бұрын
This should be top comment
@badluck5647
Жыл бұрын
People misunderstand the game changer is in logistics and not capabilities. For example, the cluster bombs aren't a game changer due to their capabilities. They are a game changer because they give Ukraine access to way more artillery ammunition. Meanwhile, the F-16 is a game changer not because of air supremacy dreams or combine arms maneuvers. They are game changer due to all the new weapons platforms the Ukrainians get access to. Ukraine has been rationing their ground based missiles due to supply issues, but now they can supplement those supplies with new air based weapon platforms.
@haakoflo
Жыл бұрын
There ARE wonderweapons in NATO's arsenals. Primarily the F-35s. Nato just doesn't want to give them to Ukraine. If Ukraine can use soon-to-be-phased-out Nato equipment to seriously harm the Russian Army, and maybe more importantly, their air defenses, that's a win-win for the US armed forces.
@DubhghlasMacDubhghlas
Жыл бұрын
@@haakoflo F35 isn't even wonderweapon. If it was then why did US allow other countries to buy it. F22 is closer to a wounderweapon since it is a better in a dog fight than the F35, but still falls short.
@sshumkaer
Жыл бұрын
Everything you just mentioned were game changer literally by definition
@SensaiRyu
Жыл бұрын
At 3:34 ya might wanna double check that about John Boyd and Tom Christie. Their only contribution to the F-15 and F-16 was a computer model that showed how control services could affect flight characteristics. Not to mention "Energy Maneuverability Theory" was mostly a copy and paste of Edward Rutowski's "Energy Approach to the General Aircraft Performance Problem."
@六十-t1i
Жыл бұрын
Thank you it annoys me every time I see the fighter maffia get credited with anything, for anyone who hasn’t heard about them yet they are just prolific liars
@EK-gr9gd
Жыл бұрын
The F-4 was / is a pure ""energy fighter". The plane wasn't as bad as everyone wants to tell the public. the only deficits were, insufficient training, fixed by "Red Flag" and "Top Gun", and the lack of guns and AAMs designed to cope with dogfights. AIM-7/9 were designed to counter bombers not fighters.
@davidfuller581
Жыл бұрын
@@EK-gr9gd The F-4 was not designed to be a turn and burn dogfighter though, not really. It was still decent at it for sure (given its roughly 3:1 kill to loss ratio in Vietnam), but it wasn't primarily built for it.
@EK-gr9gd
Жыл бұрын
@@davidfuller581 But the twin J79 produced enough thrust to cope with any NVAF FISHBEDs and FRESCOs. The plane itself wasn't the problem, doctrine, training and a missing gun were. The original F-4 was designed as a fleet defender and escort fighter, not as a dogfighter, like F-8 or F-5, but the poor performance against North Vietnam wasn't the fault of the aircraft.
@TheRezro
Жыл бұрын
Boid wasn't a member of fighter mafia. F-4 was designed as interceptor, what was the reason for its issues.
@patrickazzarella6729
Жыл бұрын
I would avoid the rabbit hole of the "fighter plane mafia" LazerPig did some great videos on them
@josepnebotrius872
Жыл бұрын
Also binkov and Perun
@kylesprengeler5965
Жыл бұрын
"Fighter Mafia..." *me...? *LazePig: Heavy breathing seriously we just got over the whole Lazerpig/ Red episode and now Kings and Generals threw this out (insert nervous laugh)
@Anglomachian
Жыл бұрын
The fighter mafia? Good grief. The people who think a pair of binoculars and a service revolver are better than radar and tracking missiles because it means you don’t end up “relying on technology”.
@Anglomachian
Жыл бұрын
@@piotrd.4850 ahh yes, which is why modern jet fighters have switched from over the horizon missiles back to machine gun dog fighting.
@kameronjones7139
Жыл бұрын
The fighter mafia is probably the biggest clown show in aviation and it is debatable how much influence (if any) they had on the f16
@guydreamr
Жыл бұрын
Reasons?
@kameronjones7139
Жыл бұрын
@guydreamr They have lied about numerous things (like help making the a10). Some of the plane they advocated for didn't even have radar or warning receivers. They hated the f15 because of avionics in it claiming it to be not necessary (this was proven very much wrong) They have claimed the f35 wouldn't be survivable or even good. Now it is loved by the pilots who fly it. They are just not credible at all.
@MrGksarathy
Жыл бұрын
@@guydreamrThere is plenty of evidence that the Fighter Mafia actually initially opposed the F-16 during development because it was "too expensive" and had too much technology. That, and most of them only briefly served on design committees, and they over exaggerated their roles when they did.
@guydreamr
Жыл бұрын
@@MrGksarathyI see, where is this evidence then?
@MrGksarathy
Жыл бұрын
@@guydreamr I would watch the KZitemr LazerPig for a good breakdown, but from what I can gather, this is from internal DoD records that have either been declassified or never were.
@benelijah104
Жыл бұрын
The early B roll footage was of the F4 Phantom II, not the F16
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
Because they were talking about it.
@OGKenG
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering who was going to say that.
@xdgiih766
Жыл бұрын
9:24 The aim-9 was actually first used in the Taiwan strait by Taiwanese F-86 Sabers in 1958
@wilfredogaringa3554
Жыл бұрын
Hi, is it possible to give metric values on all the figures you will mention? There are times that you mention metric only, and there are times that you use US system only. I know that a large portion of your viewers are from the US, and the majority of said viewers are not educated/unfamiliar with the metric system, but 99% of the rest of the viewers living outside the US are metric system users, so it will be fair if both systems are displayed consistently. Thanks
@KingsandGenerals
Жыл бұрын
That is a good point I always forget about, apologies
@A2Z1Two3
Жыл бұрын
So American viewers of this channel are not educated ?
@timmommens901
Жыл бұрын
🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦✌🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
@iamaloafofbread8926
Жыл бұрын
Skill issue :v But in seriousness, I'm sure he will help you with that
@Тихийубийца-ш5ь
4 ай бұрын
Большая часть США не имеет образования? Я правильно вас понял?
@steves8236
Жыл бұрын
A game changer? Absolutely not - does anyone remember the Gulf War? The U.S. didn't just "bring a few F-16's" to the party. They brought half the entire Air Force with every aircraft type for every role including AWAC's and JSTAR's. Dedicated ECM packages and SEAD missions by the score. And they brought years of combat training and expertise. (Oh, and six carrier air wings.) Add the Brit's and the French and the Saudi's. Even at just the tactical level the air tasking was enormous and F-16's were just a part of it along with the A-6's, A-7's, A-10's, F-18's and Marine Harriers. Even B-52's were employed tactically and the Brit's and French had their own assets. Does anyone think Ukraine is going to turn a few F-16's into a war winner with the Russians? I don't; but as the commentary in this video was fond of stating... "we won't know for sure until it's tried".
@Sakai070
Жыл бұрын
The first combat use of The aim-9 sidewinder was between China and Taiwan. In fact one of these got stuck in a MIG after it was retrieved from the landed aircraft the Soviets reverse-engineered to develop aa2 atoll missile
@FLJBeliever1776
Жыл бұрын
Second Taiwan Strait Crisis and it got 13 PLAAF MiGs with lucky number 14 returning to base with a dud lodged in the wing root. The Soviet researchers who took the missile apart were stunned by the seemingly organic intelligence of the Sidewinder. Incidentally, a lot of those researchers were Ukrainian too.
@andrewabrams1535
Жыл бұрын
It was nice point!
@GenXerReacts
Жыл бұрын
@@FLJBeliever1776 It wasn't a dud. But seeing as the missile was new the pilot shooting the missile didn't properly arm the missile before firing it into the Chinese aircraft. At least that's what I've been told.
@roderickhamilton9891
Жыл бұрын
F-86's, right?
@Sakai070
Жыл бұрын
@@roderickhamilton9891 correct
@napoleonibonaparte7198
Жыл бұрын
It would've been better if they were given many months ago, in time for the counter offensive.
@kecko91
Жыл бұрын
They did.
@scottyd3138
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. You should lead nato bud!
@scottyd3138
Жыл бұрын
@@kecko91no they didnt
@plaubelmakina8916
Жыл бұрын
Which has been a spectacular failure.
@scottyd3138
Жыл бұрын
@@plaubelmakina8916 no it hasn't. Cope harder
@K1nGn0THin
Жыл бұрын
Very bad quality, I'm surprised you uploaded such a thing. Just a few issues by way of example: You start mentioning the F16 and you are showing the F4. The sidewinder only has IR version, not semi-active radar head. Your sidewinder model when you first talk about it is wrong. Your description of the JDAM is childish to say the least, it makes it very apparent that you got no idea what you are talking about. You are mentioning that UA's fighters are old, implying that the F16s will be a huge step up but in reality, the F16AMs that UA is gonna receive have only minor upgrades since they were introduced and have nothing in common with modern F16Vs (that would truly be a step-up in capabilities if provided). More than that I cannot say, it's the first time that I couldn't finish a video of yours because of it being such a low quality and full of mistakes...
@dwijuliantoro
Жыл бұрын
Many said that Leo and Chally will be game changer. The result ?
@hafor2846
Жыл бұрын
Ukraine's not running out of tanks, that's the result...
@bradleymcafee7913
Жыл бұрын
Are you assuming that the donated fighters will have all the latest avionics used by the Western countries?
@MrGksarathy
Жыл бұрын
They will have most of them, from what I've heard, and considering that Ukraine's current air defenses have already worked to prevent total Russian air superiority, I think the F-16s the Ukrainians are getting will be enough to give them actual control of their skies.
@PavloKindrat
Жыл бұрын
The importance of F-16 is not in the amount of damage caused, but in the nesessity to respond to the possibility of causing such damage. Thus, four HIMARS in late spring of 2022 changed the course of battles by forcing russians to move ammunition thefts deeper to the rear.
@michaelillingworth6433
Жыл бұрын
Why do we keep hearing the term, game changer. Everything helps, but don't expect one item to change the outcome of the war. It's a cumulative effect we need. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
@williamhenning4700
Жыл бұрын
Marketing term.
@MrNemesisNuke
Жыл бұрын
Well this video is just factually inaccurate.
@cariad4297
Жыл бұрын
Wow .. in the first sentence you claimed the USA were donating F16s to Ukraine, they have made no such promise. Only allowing others to donate the plane to Ukraine and offering training to Ukrainian pilots.
@hafor2846
Жыл бұрын
No they didn't?! Why are you getting mad about stuff you made up?
@cariad4297
Жыл бұрын
@@hafor2846 The narrator literally says ‘America and other F16 donating countries’. I am assuming English isn’t your first language?
@williamhenning4700
Жыл бұрын
@@cariad4297 Provide the time stamp you’re referencing with that quote ( example: 5:12 = five minutes and 12 seconds into the video ) for context if you don’t mind.
@DaveE7492
Жыл бұрын
They needed them months ago, would've been a great help for Ukraine's summer offensive. Now, they won't get them until next year and Ukraine's armoured forces will have to rebuilt in order for them to launch a new offensive in 2024. Perhaps they would've been a game changer if Ukraine had them at the beginning of this year.
@vivecald-vehk6978
Жыл бұрын
More flipflopping from America, who is more worried about a potential threat in the Pacific as opposed to the actual fkn conflict in Ukraine
@knoahbody69
Жыл бұрын
@@piotrd.4850 Translation: "I'm a putinbot."
@robertmusilbronson3118
Жыл бұрын
@@knoahbody69translation: im a ukrbot. Just dn get lost in translations, lil' bot
@oleksii000
Жыл бұрын
@@robertmusilbronson3118so your translation and logic to the first comment would be this: the Ukrainians trusted the treaties they have signed and did not want to spend billions of dollars into the army it would not need had those treaties be worth anything, so you’ll blame them for that. Did I get that right? So countries like NK that prioritises military over its people by starving them to death is something everyone should look up to. Do you really want your children to live in a world like that?
@robertmusilbronson3118
Жыл бұрын
@@oleksii000 yeah the thing is i live in another ex communist country, romania, so i know perfectly well how things are with the armed forces before the US starts pumping $ and expertise to bolster them against Russia. Although romania is way richer than ukr, but the army is a clusterfrak. So the first comment rly made sense to me
@JKG52
Жыл бұрын
Bull! This is really disappointing that a channel like yours is spreading "Fighter Mafia" B.S. The F-16 was developed after the F-15 by the USAF and those old hacks had nothing to do with it. Please do better research in the future so you don't give credit to people that don't deserve it
@somersethuscarl2938
Жыл бұрын
Oh Dreary dreary me. The Fighter Mafia Myth of they Invented, designed, were involved with the design even partially? It’s a myth, they did not. Nope. Bad history I’m afraid, you should do better.
@Abd121
Жыл бұрын
"The Fighter Mafia" didn't make shit they just stole credit for the people who actually did the work! You'd expect better research from such a channel but here we are...
@me0101001000
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure it will be a game changer, but the F-16 has a track record that seems to say that it will definitely have a significant impact at the very least. But then again, you can't always use the past to predict the future, no matter how reliable the operational history is.
@blueldrrich84
Жыл бұрын
More importantly, I think there are 2 factors here: maintaining and training. If Ukraine lacks pilots to use the planes, and skilled engineers with parts to repair and maintain them, then we might as well donate money instead of planes. Because without proper support and skill they won't make a difference.
@scottyd3138
Жыл бұрын
@@muzzleflash1 you realize you can build runways? 🫨🫨
@Benjamin-wy4dj
Жыл бұрын
One factor not explained in the video is which variant / version of the F16s Ukraine will be getting. Older F16s will not provide significant advantage or a quantum leap in capability. It will at best level the table against the Russians. My feeing is the west will be donating older F16s models that are unwanted for their operational use due to obselences and are seeking to replace their F16s with next gen fighters such as the F35s or the alternative cost effective solution are the newer 4th gen fighters. Old F16 models may not necessarily be capable of employing some of the weapons mentioned in the video such as newer versions of the Sidewinder missiles, JDAMs and AIM 120. If the West chooses to donate F16 Model A & B models, then it will not provide any huge bridge in capacility against the russians. The more newer F16 C/D models are the much preferred options and would defitnely help Ukraine but those models too are limited in the weapons the fighters can employ. Upgrades / Modifications are needed for the F16s being donated to ukraine for more versatility and range of options
@haakoflo
Жыл бұрын
@@blueldrrich84 Ukraine is already trying to recruit both ground crew and pilots from Nato countries to serve in their air force. I think we will see that they will have ample access to very highly trained personell. I would also expect them to try to fly exclusively over Ukrainian controlled territory, to to minimize the risk that these pilots will be used for propaganda purposes by the Kremlin if captured.
@haakoflo
Жыл бұрын
@@Benjamin-wy4dj The information is easy to look up. These are mostly older models, that underwent an upgrade about 20 years ago with electronics and weapons availability comparable to Block 50/52. While not ideal dogfighters, these can carry all the weapon systems and electronics pods needed to be a big threat to Russian air defenses and ground forces, while themselves flying under cover from NATO-supplied Patriot and Nasam systems. And I think it should be obvious that these are just the first of several batches. Ukraine could receive hundreds before the end of next summer.
@computernerdtechman
Жыл бұрын
At the beginning of the video you were talking about Ukraine getting F-16 fighters, yet you were showing clip after clip of older F-4 Phantom II jets. Couldn't you find any b-roll clips of F-16's or did you think we wouldn't notice?
@danieln6700
Жыл бұрын
He was talking about f4s
@davedeblaey8454
Жыл бұрын
No single weapon system can win a war. In this case, specifically, you are trying to introduce a complex weapons system to a country that has no experience operating it, and no logistical system in place to support it. Because of these facts, I see the F-16 having little to no impact on the outcome on the conflict. All you have to do is look back at France at the beginning of World War II to see a good example what will most likely happen. France attempted to introduce the DW.520 and Hawk 75 aircrafts at the same time Germany invaded Poland. Even with the 8 months of the "phony war" period, France was unable to incorporate these aircraft in any useable numbers sufficient enough to change the outcome of the German invasion. Even small changes in basic equipment, such as Italy's attempt to move their battle rifle from a 6.5 caliber round to a new 7.35 caliber round at the beginning of World War II, was quickly abandoned because the Italians lacked the manufacturing and logistical bases needed to convert their army to the new rifle/round while fighting the allies (basically, just Britain after France's defeat).
@abesapien9930
Жыл бұрын
Good info
@benghazi4216
Жыл бұрын
According to RUSI, and Dr Justin Bronk, a squadron of Gripens would make a clear impact on the air war, so a few more F16's and you have the same result.
@haakoflo
Жыл бұрын
No single weapon can win wars. But complete lack of one type of weapons may cause you to lose it, or at least ensure you won't win it. To go on an offensive without at least partial control of the air, is extremely difficult. Obviously, a few dozen F-16 is not enough on its own. But if they receive maybe 200-400 by next summer, it may be enough t make a big difference. Especially if these first ones are used to pummel Ukrainian air defenses for the next 9 months or so.
@skyhunter996
Жыл бұрын
@@haakofloain't no chance they get 200, even if they do they don't have that many pilots
@sshumkaer
Жыл бұрын
Incorrect the Himars in this war had been given proper munitions could have won the war In UUkraine. As defined driving Russia out of my land.
@xenoph9380
Жыл бұрын
The jets featured in the intro are F4 Phantoms, not F16s
@GrifonXT
Жыл бұрын
you have to understand that he has no content to do a video he just want want viewers to click and watch................................... i am sure that all content in this video was stolen from internet to do this video
@tomzamp8547
Жыл бұрын
No game changer here just another target
@mikond
Жыл бұрын
Please do some research. You are giving too much credit to fighter mafia which did almost nothing regarding the designing of the F-16. Also AIM-9 is only IR guided, only semi active radar version was the AIM-9C but the F-16 never carried one because the missile retired earlier than the F-16 was even introduced (AIM-9C retired in 60s). Regarding the age argument, all three aircrafts are similarly old. What matters are upgrades and the F-16 had many of those (in the video is shown the F-16A which is from 70s btw).
@chosk80
Жыл бұрын
Javelins, HIRMARS, Leopards , Challengers were all game changers.... 😅
@987ujhpl
Жыл бұрын
Changed how we discuss the war
@ClassicFormulaOne1
Жыл бұрын
ATACAM'S soon too. Russians are already getting punished hard.
@marcdc6809
Жыл бұрын
Without Javelins the Russians would have taken Kyiv in 3 days... Without Himars the Russians would still hold on tightly to Kherson... And now the Ukrainians are well on the offensive... against the mightiest arsenal of hardware and the most Spartan warrior state the world has to offer (in numbers)...
@987ujhpl
Жыл бұрын
@@marcdc6809 Isn't USA the mightiest in the world?
@Mr.Byrnes
Жыл бұрын
@@987ujhplYes, but the Russians like to pretend they’re the “best”
@kristijanjovanovic4131
Жыл бұрын
No it isn't a game changer, it will be food for SU-35, i know it is a great plane but its not all in the plane... a "game changer" could be 200 raptors, 500 F-35s and a bunch of F-15s with skilled pilots and even then its not guaranteed to change the outcome of the war. The common people of the west underestimate the power of Russia and they think Ukraine is winning..
@johnwi-l_l-iamsf3763
5 ай бұрын
Another game changer ? Lol
@linming5610
Жыл бұрын
No matter what technology is given to Ukraine as long as they aren't given at the same time. Nothing will change...
@haakoflo
Жыл бұрын
For Nato, a "win" means that Ukraine doesn't lose the war, and ideally is able to very slowly regain some of the territory taken by Russia. Nato countries have NO incentive to give Ukraine enough weapons to be able to crush Russia completely. That would be like cornering an agressive dog, and may lead to nukes. At some point, this war is going to be decided by what population grows weary of the war first. As both sides grow more weary, chances are a negotiated peace eventually becomes a possibility.
@williamhenning4700
Жыл бұрын
@@haakoflo Lol. You think Putin is like the “frog in boiling water” and that if we just slow drip aid enough that’ll prevent him from noticing and using his nukes as leverage? Man, the Chinese are going to eat us alive…
@albatrapstar9030
Жыл бұрын
@haakoflo your right as they could of done that a year ago and demolished Russian forces nato and us is smart chipping away at the Russian forces slowly. I guarantee if Russia didn't have nukes this war would of been over long ago.
@linming5610
Жыл бұрын
@@albatrapstar9030 not really, it takes time to train a competent military. Especially of one without extensive military culture and history. This war is really going to last more than a year one way or another. It's just a matter of making concessions too Russia but apparently, the west has been too comfortable lately. Refusing to give Russia the space it needed to exercise it influence. Well, Russia is too corrupt in the first place so I don't really know how the heck this problem will ever be solved. Thee only way I could think of is changing leadership make Russia flatten it's corruption and give back Ukraine. But that would make Russia get stronger. Will US allow Russia get stronger? Yeah, I don't really know.
@albatrapstar9030
Жыл бұрын
@linming5610 Russia has been corrupt since time but even if not corrupt they are not that bright. how could they possibly get stronger when you destroy there army and cripple there economy? they are using ww2 tanks USA is so advanced in tech and war 100 years ahead of any nation they can't be matched nato in conventional war vs russia alone would demolish russian forces in a few weeks they are way ahead dont forget ukraine has a population of 50 million its twice the size of Germany and they are all willing to fight. if Nato and USA trained and equipped them early and gave them max firepower artillery f16s f35s they would completely destroy Russian forces within a year . but that would cause a nuke exchange because putin would be executed by his own people. USA and nato are chipping away at Russia to avoid a nuclear war.
@BWEEOOP
Жыл бұрын
Hi, everyone from NCD who's all talking smack on the Fighter "Mafia." I was half expecting a Pierre Sprey reference in here, as well
@Irgendwas_geistreiches
Жыл бұрын
We are on the brink of an Atomic War and you talk about this as if sending Jets would help to end this horrible war?
@emilchan5379
Жыл бұрын
Please stop with the fear-mongering. We are not on the brink of nuclear war. The world was at a much greater risk of nuclear war during the Cold War, yet here we are.
@Irgendwas_geistreiches
Жыл бұрын
@@henryhudson9556 Yes we are: 1. several provinces were formally included into the russian territory. And as Putin said, Russia would defend its borders against attacks with everyting they have. 2. For years and years it was NATO‘s plan to expand itself to surround Russia. For further explanation about this topic i recommend Dr. Daniele Ganser. 3. The massive arms deliveries to Ukraine by countries not even directly threatened by Russia is another provocation. I hope that my english isn‘t too insufficient, i am from Germany.
@piccolo917
Жыл бұрын
I must say, this is the first episode I’ve ever watched on this channel that I disliked. It spreads misinformation about a group of men who had nearly zero impact on anything and has an incredibly untidy script about what this pane can do. It feels like an intern was let loose on wikipedia for 2 hours, given 30 minutes to write a script which was then immediately recorded.
@MrTitnik
Жыл бұрын
I dint think they will make any signigicant change in the war, Russia has very good airdefence and most of these jets will sadly be shot down. If not used correctly between other ground units etc they will probably do no difference, i dont see ukraine taking airsupperiority wich they need to be successfull driving the enemy out. Maybe if the jets was given to them early in the war,but niw i think its too little too late
@darrell20741
Жыл бұрын
F-4 Phantoms are NOT F-16s! F-4s 1960s F-16s 80s to now.
@nuclearwarhead9338
Жыл бұрын
Oh please...enough with the gAmE cHaNgEr meme. You guys are not taking this seriously aren't you?
@dziban303
Жыл бұрын
Not a great episode, lots of "I skimmed wikipedia article" vibes
@glede2097
Жыл бұрын
It wont be a game changer, they said the modern MBT's were game changers which were not. Dont forget that the F16 is almost a 50 year old aircraft, sure its capable but the Russians have modern AA equipment.
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
The modern Russian AA is also 50-40 years old. Most of it is upgraded 70s-80s tech. S-400? Upgraded S-300 which is 80s. Tor? 80s. Buk? Even older.
@theblackhand6485
Жыл бұрын
Pfff!...in the first minutes starts to talk about the F16 and shows us the Phantom. So unprofessional!
@aoife1122
Жыл бұрын
It takes a helluva lot more than just training the pilots... I believe the US Airforce assigns about 50 qualified personnel to keep just one F-16 going. The Ukrainians currently working hard on upgrading some airfields to the standards required. MiG-29 and Su-27 can close off the air intakes to operate from "unimproved airstrips", unthinkable with the F-16. In addition to the vast maintenance infrastructure, those airfields will require sophisticated missile defense systems, we can be safely assume the Rooskies will try their level best to take them out from distance. A lot of variables in this equation you haven't even touched.
@haakoflo
Жыл бұрын
Just wait, and I think you will see that large numbers of western "volunteers", possibly quite well paid, will be quartered near the air fields that will operate F-16s. Possibly well over half of the pilots and senior ground crew. It's simply a lot cheaper to hire foreigners for most of these jobs than locals, even if they have to pay wages above what western personell get during wartime as risk compensation. For some, though, and especially pilots, they love their job so much that it will prove very easy to motivate them to fly live missions, even without unusually high compensation. Ukraine really only needs to have 5-10 Ukrainian pilots, to serve as the face of the force. The rest can be foreigners.
@aoife1122
Жыл бұрын
@@haakoflo A very valid point indeed. I'm pretty sure, Ukraine will be in possession of an extensive list with names of "retired" pilots and maintenance personnel in the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, Poland, etc who may be looking for new "job opportunities."
@MrGksarathy
Жыл бұрын
@@haakofloThat being said, Ukrainian ground crews are in fact being trained abroad as we speak.
@coffeebreakchat2450
Жыл бұрын
@@wawaweewa9159 Exchanging tarmac for precision long range missiles is something Ukraine would do all day every day! Decoy airframes and continuous rotation of planes may make prolonged suppression of airfields prohibitively expensive for Russia.
@shawntherapidlyaginghipster
Жыл бұрын
Why is there footage of the old F4? By the way, move the bullshit ads to the end of your videos so we can skip them easier.
@Sonicderessaca
Жыл бұрын
If someone say that Game Changers exist on moderm warfare, I already Know, this person dont know nothing about war or geopolitics.
@jeremiebernatchez5494
Жыл бұрын
Explain more like if if someone pulled up to battle with invincible armour and laser gun wielding army that’s pretty game changing
@TroyHardingLit
Жыл бұрын
Tomorrow's news: UK to give Ukraine fully loaded Tridant Submarine. :😀
@TRAZ4004
Жыл бұрын
I think Japans JDF Giant Killer Robot as a game changer.
@sunkings5972
Жыл бұрын
NATO is very heavy on fighter launched munitions, so being able to launch many more modern long range munitions will likely have significant impact at least for the first few months. So yes the F16s will change the way Ukrain plays the game.
@987ujhpl
Жыл бұрын
@@sunkings5972 No one is going to supply Ukraine with expensive tech. Munitions are probably ancient ones which are going to be scrapped anyway.
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