Your videos continue to be the most succinct and useful. Thank you, Curtis!
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! 🙏
@insanejughead
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Curtis is still my go-to for practicality with audio.
@momchilyordanov8190
Жыл бұрын
I work in TV and when Covid struck, many of us (who could) were sent to work from home. I recorded my voiceovers on Olympus P4 audio recorder (that I even didn't buy, but was randomly bundled as a promotional product, when buying two of their PRO lenses for my photography hobby). I'm sure a true professional would be appalled if they see my "soundproofing" (a blanket over my head and a pillow infront of my mouth) but trust me - for several months, the national TV I work for, happily broadcasted videos with the sound recorded in that way 5 days a week :) The moral of the story is - do not overthink it. Be sure you are not recording in a noisy environment. Try limit the reflection of the sound from walls and the ceiling . And be sure you do not talk too close to the mic so the Ps and Bs sound like a thud. From there on - pretty much any microphone will do.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
👍
@chakerian
Жыл бұрын
Voiceover is a very different beast than things like location sound or seminar recording. The 416 is a popular voiceover mic, but reflections are highly controlled despite being indoors. You would never do typical voiceover in a reverberant room like in this video. When you can control everything, like doing voiceovers or foley, you can use all sorts of equipment that wouldn't be optimal otherwise.
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
@@chakerianI have done voice over in a sound-treated room using both a shotgun and my AT 4053b. The result were acceptable.
@thomasfransson
Жыл бұрын
Thank you and a big thanks to your family for taking the time to put this together Curtis.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@BreezeA
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, your channel is the only one where I click the like button before even watching the video. The value I get cannot be measured. Thanks again. Straight to the point and very purposeful.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
🙏 Thanks!
@linelevelmedia7357
Жыл бұрын
I used my trusty NTG3 for every situation I came across for the first couple years of my sound career. Everyone survived, no questions were asked. I generally reach for my MKH50 these days when I'm indoors, but the difference has never been monumental. Use whatever you have the means for, control the environment as much as you can and just do your best. Cheers!
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! 👍
@TheRealFawwx
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this comment. I've been using my NTG3 on short films, documentaries, and corporate films/commercials since 2014 and I've never had any problems with it. While I have a few different pencil mics, they're "cheaper" ones with a higher noise floor compared to the NTG3. I feel like between a cheap pencil mic and a NTG3, it's probably still better to use the NTG3. That being said, I'm curious now about investing in a high end pencil mic.
@nordfilmcompany
Жыл бұрын
Love my NTG3
@dingdong5601
7 ай бұрын
Some broadcast tv outfits prefer the ntg3 due to it's low end flavor. No processing, just straight to live.
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
Agreed. I still use, and enjoy, my NTG3. It's a very forgiving mic, and I think the sound is good. I've had no complaints. When I watch a film I've done sound for, I'm happy with the results of that and my 4053b. It's certainly a workman like quality. You get what you pay for, and if I earned my living, I'd pick the Schoeps CMIT 5. It has a beautiful sound. But my goodness, the price.
@chakerian
Жыл бұрын
I've used the mkh-50 outdoors a fair amount, with cinela windproofing. It's one of the tighter pattern SDCs, and performance of it on a boom is stellar.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. One of my favorites.
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
I like the pick up pattern of my Rode NTG3. It's very forgiving.
@electriccatvisualarts2397
Жыл бұрын
This was really helpful Curtis. Thank you! I thought the DPA 4017B and the MKH 50 sounded great but the MKE 600 surprised me the most; it sounded really good to my ears!
@peterpeper4837
Жыл бұрын
I was about to say the exact same things !!!! No surprises really with the DPA and MKH50 but the MKE600 stood out of the rest.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
It is a gem.
@2121cv
Жыл бұрын
I'm in love with this DPA 4017B every time I ear it grrr...
@uncle-english
Жыл бұрын
I still remember that Gerald Undone first recorded with a Samson C02 microphone, then switched to a Deity S-Mic 2s, and eventually used something from Sennheiser. For him, these short microphones served his purpose well, even a “noisy” one like the Samson C02. He was willing to do some noise reduction in post-production, which made it work for him.
@kikuua
Жыл бұрын
I believe he uses an MKH50 with the Zoom F6 now, sounds excellent with his workflow
@uncle-english
Жыл бұрын
@@kikuua Of course, that could be the last microphone he needs to buy for his channel. A good microphone does make his job easier. However, what I want to say is that even when he used a cheaper short microphone like the C02, he still sounded pretty good. I used him as an example to show how short microphones can serve this purpose.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, yes.
@rickymcc8624
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Curtis, I'm a relative newbie and amateur, but now I better understand the practical differences between these different types. Currently I have a Sennheiser MKH 416 and a MKE 600. Although not ideal indoors, I can't yet justify buying a HQ pencil condenser like the Sennheiser MKH 50 as I need to prioritize decent lighting, not to mention improving my skill base, but I'm slowly getting better.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Keep it up!
@candinmuniz3225
9 ай бұрын
There are certainly some amazing pencil condensers listed out here, but don't sleep on some of the cheaper ones. For instance, the Shure SM81 is around $400 and works very well. The SE7 from SE is also a phenomenal mic, low self-noise, and around $90. Just don't go for the super cheap Samson CO2 (although they are still passable with appropriate editing) and you'll be fine. Podcastage does excellent breakdowns of all kinds of pencil condensers, so I recommend you check him out for direct comparison.
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
I would recommend you check out the AT 4053b. Based on reviews, I purchased one, and immediately fell in love with it. I dragged it to film shoots and forced can't and crew to listen to it. They looked at me funny, but I love love love that mic. Of course, someone else loved it too, and stole it. $699 for a new one. It will take two months to pay that off.
@chrisogrady28
7 ай бұрын
For me the reason nom-shotguns sound better is the capsule is at the end sp you are getting it much closer to your mouth before it enters the frame. The long interference tubes are in fromt of the capsule in shotguns, moving it significantly further back (in tight framing) and making the audio lose body. I would love a comparison of small vs large diaphragms in an out of shot context. I regularly shoot with my CAD M179 out of frame and it sounds pretty good and having it's infinitely adjustable polar pattern is useful for working around spaces
@hoodaffairstv
Жыл бұрын
for the price that MKE 600 sounds good. sounds like it just lacks a little low end. is it better to have a mic with good low end in the mic already like the 416 or the 4017b or can a mic that has good clarity like the MKE 600 add some low end in post produce a similar sound after some EQ
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
It does sound good. It has a good bit of low end. You can hear in these samples on my voice: kzitem.info/news/bejne/po6pk2WIcX50mmU
@PanteraRossa
Жыл бұрын
I've an AKG P170 pencil condenser and the C568 shotgun which costs 5x more. In 90 percent of my common shooting scenarios the P170 just sounds a lot better than the much more expensive shotgun. If I wasn't a sub of your channel I would still only work with the expensive shotgun and would've never discovered this beauty. Not a lot of people review or mention AKG mics for film but I've used their headphones all my life and frankly really love their sound all around.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I find that it isn’t always, or even usually, the most expensive gear that works best for a given person.
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
@@curtisjuddI agree, but the Schoeps CMNT is a cut above.
@ArticulateDesignASMR
3 ай бұрын
Hi Curtis! I've been listening to a few of your videos now and found lots of amazing comparisons, but i have quite a specific question that hopefully you can shed some light on! I create something called asmr content and always use 2 mics, (out of shot) set up to simulate the left and right ears. Since the mics need to be out of the shot but still close enough to my mouth for maximum effect, it obviously forces me to have the camera very close/zoomed in. For this reason, i was considering 2 shotgun mics, just out of shot above my head. However, i have no idea how they would perform as a pair in this role and what the impact to the sound would be. I typically lean from left to right (speaking to each ear) throughout and a little concerned with how the opposite mic will deal with this. I've been using x2 NT1s for years now but id really like to expolore being able to record the audio from above. Sound is the absolute number 1 priority in my videos and i would be soooo grateful if you could share your thoughts on this. Budget isn't really an issue as they'll likely pay for themselves in time. No issues if this is too wordy and you simply don't have time :D
@curtisjudd
3 ай бұрын
Hi Matt, thanks for your comment. I think the answer depends a lot on the space in which you record - how much it reflects sound and how much noise you are able to control/reduce/remove. But assuming the room is fairly well behaved from an acoustic point of view - and being the creator of ASMR content, I assume you've worked hard to make the space very soothing and quiet - two shotgun mics should work nicely. I'd purchase from a retailer which allows returns if things don't work out, but the best way is to try it out and hear how it goes. Best wishes!
@ArticulateDesignASMR
3 ай бұрын
@curtisjudd Thank you very much Curtis! I'll see if I can source x2 416s locally with a solid return policy.
@AnthonyVella
Жыл бұрын
I have the MKH 416. Would the MKH 50 have me covered for most dialogue coverage? Thank you!
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, yes.
@DavidKfilmmaker
Жыл бұрын
When my mkh50 sounded surprising great outdoors I sold my ntg3…,which I loved.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
👍
@CinePals
Жыл бұрын
During covid, I did a test with the MKH 50, the MKH 8050 and the MKH 416. For some reason, the 416 sounded tinny to my ears while the former two had a nice warmth to them. Since most of my recording is indoors anyway, I opted for the first two. I more often end up using the MKH 8050 just because of it's size being even easier to place and I have a hard time hearing the difference between that and the MKH 50.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
👍
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
Size, surprisingly, does make a difference indoors.
@HeribertMuermann
3 ай бұрын
I did now some reasonable sound treatment - e.g. DIY diffusors combined with my bookshelf - limited by the fact that I do not want to disturbe the flair of this my real living room. It helped a lot. But now the noise from the street at the left window is a problem if I want some distance - may be 25-30 cm (10-12 inch) - from my microphone. If I have understood this (and some other) videos correctly a shotgun like the Sennheiser MKE600 might be okay, because the moderate sound treatment should reduce phasing, too. At the moment I am using a Rode NT-USB (old version), would like to upgrade to the Rode NT1 (4.Gen.), but under the given circumstances a shootgun like the MKE600 might be the better option. But til not shure, wether to priorise the freedom of movement at least with arms and hands or the better sound. I want to make videos for people in Turkey learning German as a foreign language. Sound is important, but seeing me and my mouth, my gestures, too. The alternative may be a supercardoid SDC, because the noise from the street at the left is the main problem. Or I gave a damn to all these considerations and get a microphone with a sound l Iike (Rode NT-1) even if I have to put it for a clean sound closer to my mouth than I would prefer. I do it for fun not for money, at least I have to like, what I do.
@curtisjudd
2 ай бұрын
Maybe put some heavy curtains over the window, just while recording.
@healing2gether
6 ай бұрын
Curtis, thanks for another great video with very detailed comparisons. If you were a beginning filmmaker making independent films documentaries and you need an affordable shotgun Mike for filmmaking, can you recommend one under $200 you think would be the best what you would consider the nicest sound and highest quality.we may not always have upgraded preamps available so sometimes that would and would not be possible. Thanks.
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
AT 897 is the classic, less expensive shotgun mic. New, about $250. Used can be good, but try out first.
@MattArmon
Жыл бұрын
1. What is that quick release on the blimp/boom pole? looks amazing! 2. This makes me happy I went with the MKE600. Ill eventually pick up a better indoor mic- but hearing how the 600 matched up with some other mics made me pretty happy
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
1. Rycote’s quick release system - kzitem.info/news/bejne/mYVnuGyeip6Cq6w 2. Yes, the MKE 600 is a gem
@darrenorange2982
Жыл бұрын
MKE600 was shockingly good I thought as a in between at the bang for buck? Totally agreed.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@latrastiendameza1408
10 ай бұрын
This was very helpful to me. I’m a beginner hobbyist in video and sound. Your channel is very informative when it comes to sound. Appreciate it.
@curtisjudd
10 ай бұрын
Thanks and happy recording!
@adimology
Жыл бұрын
as always, very informative video from you! thanks Curtis
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
👍
@oncameramastery
Жыл бұрын
I'm loving the at875r for indoor at the mo.
@edclevel402
Жыл бұрын
same - this mic is a giant killer imho
@RedDwarfNerd
Жыл бұрын
Me too! 🙂
@oncameramastery
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, for the price its amazing, and so versatile, I use mine for both my video spokesperson work, and all my Voice Overs!@@edclevel402
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
That is a good one, especially for its price.
@Snailmale7
Жыл бұрын
It’s my main mic at the moment !
@anlagrdr5229
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe this. I was searching this topic yesterday and today you posted the exact video I'm looking for. Great comparisons, thanks. If i can afford MKH 50 i probably can afford to buy MKE 600 as well though😂 What can we do to make similar sound coming from shotgun mic? Can post processing make it similar to the pencil condensers? If yes what steps would you recommend?
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Add sound blankets and avoid moving the mic while recording. That’ll make the biggest difference.
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
@@curtisjuddI bought some moving blankets from the big box store, and spread them on the floor or hung them from walls. That really helps when using a shotgun indoors. I need less sound treatment using my AT4053b though.
@HomesickMac
Жыл бұрын
Such a great walkthrough and testing Curtis, thank you Dani & Emma as well! I'm a bit biased towards the MKH50 because of other reviews as well as that Tom Buck's channel is a wonderful demo of. this particular mic, used as a boom. I was drooling for a while but the price tag couldn't justify buying it for my studio only environment, and then I watched your review of the Earthworks SR314. The forgiving proximity and the quality of sound on your voice, as well as it's also a _live_ microphone, I've saved up for it and got in now. It works great in a mildly treated room where I run my weekly guitar playing livestreams (shameless self-plug.. on Mondays...) and I've used it live on two occasions. Those were different situations sound wise. One was a festival stage where the mic nicely rejected the loud monitor, and the other one with a small PA right behind me. With some tinkering and right positioning it went great. It gives more freedom of movement than Shure SM58 of course...
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Glad the SR314 is working well for you!
@edclevel402
Жыл бұрын
The variation was actually less pronounced than I expected. The MKH50 sounded the best overall to me as well, although it was rrrreally close with the CMC641 to my ear. The CMC641 presents as a tad more mid-forward to me. I also feel like most - maybe all - of the shotgun mics could produce very usable audio with some post-production de-reverb and a dash of EQ.
@curtisjudd
11 ай бұрын
👍
@mrawesam1190
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! I think a lot of the differences in mics come out if you have to boom dialogue in messy situations, and swing the boom around a lot. Overlapping / improvised dialogue is much easier on a pencil supercardioid etc. For interviewing people in a fixed situation or doing video essays / podcasts, it feels like you can almost use any mic. The thing with using shotguns indoors to me is also not a hard rule, it's just that you'll be in the shot quicker, because the mic is long, and you might not be able to maneuvre around low ceilings, often bringing you in bad booming positions or casting more shadows. But some people make it sound like you're going to die if you use shotguns indoors and that is certainly not the case, as your test demonstrates.
@curtisjudd
Ай бұрын
👍
@roadrunna.
6 ай бұрын
Good to see you after a while Curtis, you look even younger and smoother if one could get any smoother :) I'll look more but have you also reveiwed Oktava MK012 for indoor dialogues? I already have an NTG5, an H1N and Deity lavs but need something solid for indoor dialogue for narrative work and if I could have one for under $500 that would be awesome :D thank you, keep rocking!
@mackhavoc477
Жыл бұрын
I use a Rode NTF3 for outdoor stuff, mostly, but I went with the Schoeps CMC641 for indoor use. Hands down, the most amazing mic I have used for that stuff. And paired with a Zoom F6 w/32 bit float, the results have been amazing and I have had nothing but compliments from producers and directors. I have yet to encounter ANY clipping or distortion, even with lots of yelling and screaming, or loudness, in general. Best $1700 I have ever spent. And add the $300 lo cut filter add-on and you can use it in some pretty nasty situations.and dramatically lower your audio post workflow times w/cleanup
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Nice 👍
@John-e4p1x
Жыл бұрын
I do wish a CMIT snuck its way in there... but wow great video. Love that its information and not a product review! Great idea for a video and appreciate that you had many different samples.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
I wish I had a cmit, too. 😀
@John-e4p1x
Жыл бұрын
I know the schoeps you do have is the better one to have (CMC?) even your tests here prove one would not want a shotgun for two person dialogue... but that CMIT is ... something to want indeed.. @@curtisjudd
@hectorhivers8180
Жыл бұрын
This video came at just the right time. I was thinking of buying an indoor microphone and this video helps a lot. Thank you very much for this video. Greetings and have a nice day
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Hector
@getstew
6 ай бұрын
Just bought an MKH 50 for podcast use and potentially vo. It's been a while since I've spent a lot of money! My room is pretty well sound treated. Very excited; waiting for the arrival. Thanks for all your work, it's the best!
@curtisjudd
6 ай бұрын
Congrats and happy recording!
@Tongaudio
Жыл бұрын
There's no simple answer to Shotgun vs Super/Hyper Cardioid. I always make the choice depending on the acoustic situation, framing of the camera, and if there's any limitation of the space. For tight indoor space, I have to go for a smaller mic like Sennheiser MKH8050, for a wide and tight interview shot indoor, I would probably go for Mini CIMIT or Sennheiser MKH8060 to get more directional. Also, documentary style indoor with not scripted dialogue, or a lot of moving involved, then I would go for my MKH8050 for a smoother frequency response. If any live music involved outdoor, I would use Schoeps CMC641. There are so many factors to influence my choice of which Mic I use, and there is no one simple answer to Shotgun vs Super/Hyper Cardioid for both indoor and outdoor situations.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Could not agree more. Timbre of the voice I’m recording is another factor.
@JoATTech
Жыл бұрын
Really happy with my MKE600. It's quite gentle for my voice. Although my cheap light is too loud and it's picked up by the mic :(.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
The MKE600 is a gem.
@DrRussell
Жыл бұрын
How on earth did the ladies recite the lines so consistently??? Thank you Curtis and team.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
They’re true professionals. 👍
@horst-saiger
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for brilliant videos! Whats your budget mics recommendation for livestreams/videos in untreated room with 3-5 people. No problem to have mics anywhere in the frame, but not 10 cm in front of mouth? Rodecaster pro 2 is available for us. Thanks from Liechtenstein
@curtisjudd
11 ай бұрын
SHURE SM58s all around.
@curtisjudd
11 ай бұрын
And keep them within 5-10cm
@weightlessfilms5651
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this comparison! I've been using a Rode NTG 3 (shotgun) indoors and outdoors and am quite happy with its sound and versatility. Mic placement and extraneous sounds are what make the difference, and of course capturing room tone. Granted, I'm no audio expert by any means and don't own a pencil condenser mic for comparison.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Yep, I agree, manage reverb and noise best you can and use a quality mic like the NTG3 and don’t look back!
@mackhavoc477
Жыл бұрын
I use my NTG3 outdoors, but I have the Schoeps CMC641 for indoor use. Night and day.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
@@mackhavoc477 would love to hear samples of each 👍
@curtdp
Жыл бұрын
Good point. Thank you, Curtis Judd. In my scope, when I decide to use an in camera mic or anything a little better external, I take the Diety v-mic d4 mini and have a huge improvement. I shoot only indoors.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
👍
@OUTDOORS55
7 ай бұрын
The mkh50 definitely sounds the best..but..your average person would probably have a hard time telling the difference between an mk50 and mke600 even when compared side by side. Let alone in a stand alone youtube video, when used as a primary mic. Yes, audio people can tell a difference because we know what to listen for. Everyone else wouldn't even notice. Thanks for the video 👍
@curtisjudd
7 ай бұрын
👍
@johnheiser2604
Жыл бұрын
I love my MKE 600 plus a couple of Rode's NTG's. All affordable but good value.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
👍
@yawningmarmot
Жыл бұрын
I've watched your channel for so long that I've been almost conditioned to have the sentence "It was easier to know it..." randomly pop up in my head :D
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
😂
@sopot9
Жыл бұрын
Shotgun mics used indors have some other serious problem: if you are unlucky reflective sound could cancel some frequencies of sound produced by the source if reverbed sound is moved in phase by period
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Yes, more noticeable when the mic is moving.
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
I had such problems using my Sennheiser shotgun indoors. I bought the AT4053b out of frustration, a world of difference.
@europeanambience
Жыл бұрын
They all sounds good. The Schoeps sounds best for me but it´s just a minimal difference
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
👍
@neddanison9202
22 күн бұрын
My choice, hands down, was the Sennheiser 416. It just jumped out as the clearest and crispest. I thought surely it was a pencil condenser, but I thought wrong. I notice there is a direct correlation between price and sound quality! Sure, one would probably never think about it if the audio were sufficient (say, a little Rode on-camera mic) and the content were interesting, but just from this price-blind comparison, when I looked up the price, I saw that the sounds I thought best were $999+.
@curtisjudd
21 күн бұрын
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@maxhighstein
5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I believe the pencil mics you used have hypercardioid or supercardioid capsules, which I imagine would make them better choice than pencil mics with cardioid capsules. I come from an audio background and have been recording video lately, and have been using my AKG 414 mic, set to hypercardioid pattern, on a boom. Although not in a room as bright as the one your demo was filmed in, I'm finding it to be an excellent choice. I should say that the shots are not very wide, so the mic is no more than a foot from the subject's face.
@curtisjudd
4 ай бұрын
👍
@fordespub
7 ай бұрын
If shooting indoors with the mic on the camera (moving subjects, only me filming), what range will I get with the MKH50? Might I need a shotgun mic just so I can keep the camera further back?
@curtisjudd
7 ай бұрын
I don't know because microphones always sound farther away and pick up more room noise when mounted on camera. So I always boom my mics closer when working indoors.
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
For half the price of the Sennheiser, the AT 4053b is my go to indoor mic. Compared to my Rode NTG3 indoors, it is quite a revelation. I am not a pro, at this point, so... I have not had any complaints about the sound of either mic.
@curtisjudd
2 ай бұрын
👍
@markxunclesparkyscoolstuff8627
Жыл бұрын
A rarely mentioned fact is that most shotgun (lobar) mics have a substantial rear lobe pickup that pencil condensers (super cardiod) mics do not have. When used indoors up near the ceiling, this rear lobe could be the main reason for the reverberant sound of the shotgun mics.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
👍
@soleja00
10 ай бұрын
Hi Curtis, I'm building up equipment to do sketches/short films mainly where I expect to be working with 2-4 actors at a time. Would you recommend just 1 boom mic (if I can get a boom operator) or play it safe and get 2 and put them on C stands or something, so I don't have to rely on another person?
@curtisjudd
9 ай бұрын
If the actors will not be delivering lines while moving around, then I'd put the mics on stands and set marks for the actors.
@JamesClark1991
Жыл бұрын
It would have been nice to hear the same comparison in a more treated/less reflective room as well. Whenever I work with a new mixer I'm always curious as to which mic they're going to hand me for indoor boom work. Personally I've found the split is 50/50 between shotgun and pencil.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
That’s a different comparison for another time. 👍
@MathiBA
7 ай бұрын
Hello Sir, what would be your suggestion to get me Synco Mic D2 to use wirelessly. I tried with a Sennheiser ew G4 transmitter, it didn't work. do i have to send separate Phantom power to the D2?. appreciate your help!! thx!
@curtisjudd
7 ай бұрын
Yes, you'll need a transmitter that can supply 48V Phantom power. Sennheiser makes one for their G4 system.
@DynamixWarePro
Жыл бұрын
A couple of weeks ago I had to make a voice over recording. It was only going to be a few minutes and I didn't have my voice over booth set up. I didn't have time to put it together. The room I recorded in has acoustic foam on part of one of the walls and part of the ceiling above the same wall. There is hard surfaces elsewhere in the room and my computer and computer desk. I used my Sennheiser MKH 416 and Mix Pre 3 II. I pointed the mic towards the acoustic foam wall and closed the window curtains and made sure the back of the mic was angled slightly towards the window where any external sounds I didn't want, would be coming from. I found the recording came out fine and I didn't hear any issues with it like much reverb. I also realised my neighbor directly opposite from my house, was using an electric saw and there was noises outside coming from that, but I didn't notice any of that on the recording which surprised me, but that could be to do with how directional the mic is. In a pinch it worked, but I'd rather have my vocal booth set up and record in it.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@DennisSchmitz
8 ай бұрын
I need a MKH 50 I think. Sounds great!
@curtisjudd
8 ай бұрын
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@przybylskipawel
Жыл бұрын
I am surprised how little reverberation I heard from DPA 4017b and how good souning is MKE600
@kikuua
Жыл бұрын
That was what stuck out to me as well. I would love to see Curtis include samples of the 4017B together with the DPA 4018A or 4018C
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@terrygriffin5201
3 ай бұрын
Hi Chris, so just to confirm, you are saying if only 1 mic, the MKE-600 or the MKH-50? Ido want to use indoors and out. Most of my shots are indoors...with a 70/30 ratio. You think these are better use case than the new Deity S-Mic3 or 3S or the MOVO mics? Thanks in advanced.
@curtisjudd
3 ай бұрын
These sit across a wide range of prices so I’d first narrow down how much you can realistically spend on a mic. But if I could only choose one from this list, I’d choose the MKH50 for indoors and out.
@terrygriffin5201
3 ай бұрын
@@curtisjudd Thanks again for you reply and noted. So for my use case, do you see the MKH50 better than the Deity price to performance ratio?
@curtisjudd
3 ай бұрын
@@terrygriffin5201I haven’t used the third generation DEITY S-Mics but the S-Mic 2S was far too noisy for my liking. The MKH50 is NOT cheap, but it is a mic that can last an entire career.
@georgeg6036
9 ай бұрын
I love your channel. Always helpful and informative. Thank you Curtis!
@curtisjudd
9 ай бұрын
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@krzysiek5209
2 ай бұрын
Great video! How would you compare those mics to the Audio-Technica AT875R? I need good audio in an untreated room. Thanks!
@curtisjudd
2 ай бұрын
Same as most short shotguns. Fine. Better if you put some blankets on the hard, flat surfaces.
@fransv1398
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Curtis. A very good practical demonstration of the theory.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@MANGO-FILM
4 ай бұрын
Hi Curtis, thanks for your great video. What about the Sennheise ME 64? Is that good for indoor dialogue?
@curtisjudd
4 ай бұрын
Yes, but treat the room with sound blankets if it needs it
@harshnarayan8164
Ай бұрын
I took one look at the price of the Sennheiser MKH 50 on Amazon and immediately needed CPR
@curtisjudd
Ай бұрын
I hope the CPR was successful 🙏
@mshaftenberg
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. My favorites were Deity and Azden. Most of the other mics had a weird deep humming on top.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@PaulSaxbyPhotography
Жыл бұрын
We’ve been using the Deity SMic2s and D3 Pro for the last couple of years and have been really happy with them. In my opinion they offer outstanding value for money and great quality audio.
@puddytat62
Жыл бұрын
Even using a cell phone or iPad speaker you can hear the difference. However the Ntg 5 is $400 or so and the mkh50 is $1200. Is it 3 times better? Not in my estimate. Plus all audio can be processed in post from simple resolve filters to NLE filters in order to remove echo or noise. Coloration or colorization is pretty subjective. Also plenty can be done in post. If you’re doing live I still think processing can help. But if money is no object and you can buy an indoor and outdoor mic for simple voice then go for it. Some people even tape up those holes in the mic to alter the pickup pattern. Sennheiser makes great mics but you’re paying dearly for the made in Germany label assuming their still made there. I’ve had no issues with Rode indoor or out as long as you use wind muffs. Plus not everyone can get 18 inches from talent for non interviews.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@ArdalanAram
5 ай бұрын
What about noise rejection? We have a room that is treated well for reverb but we have no control on the units around us - so there can be loud noises (banging doors, loud steps, some voices) around us and on the floor on top of us. We are filming dialogue sequences with 2-4 people that we cannot stop. Would you prefer a shotgun to a condenser for rejection, or does the condenser perform better in the rejection too? We're using 4 NTG4s. Any tips for better rejection? Thanks Curtis! love your videos - as always!
@tonlaeuft
Жыл бұрын
That’s why I own multiple MKH50‘s. It‘s my absolute fav Mic - it sounds great in most places and on most persons! You just have to enjoy the „full“ sound.. but who does not 😄
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@coolbluerecharge
Ай бұрын
Any Røde shotgun mic is my stogie of choice 😎 Sound recording is art 👨🎨 as much as it is science 🧬
@curtisjudd
Ай бұрын
LOL
@sam24bit
3 ай бұрын
If we use these mics in close proximity, for voice over, would this coloration become less noticeable? If yes, the shotgun mic will be a better buy for its superior background noise rejection?
@curtisjudd
3 ай бұрын
Yes, used closer, you get better signal to noise and less coloration by the room.
@jedddumaguina
Жыл бұрын
Could we hear the differences of the shotgun to the 50 in a less reverberant space? And maybe, point out where it sounds colored with the shotgun mic? Is it more of the tonality of the voice that you are refering to? Or is it more of a technical noise/dirt in the recording?
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Tonality of the voice.
@charleshoughton
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I’m glad to understand pencil vs shotgun better, thank Curtis, Emma and Dani!
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Charles.
@andrewkwhitecustomfilms
Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily on topic, but I'm very curious about a 4017B vs. 4017C comparison :)
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Me too, alas, budget doesn’t allow.
@BenBowmanNYC
Жыл бұрын
Really useful and informative as always. I'm surprised you didn't include the Audio-Technica AT875R. For an affordable bang-for-buck kit, I think the MKE-600 for outdoor and camera mic (self-powered) applications, and the AT875R for indoor dialog is a pretty unbeatable combo.
@BenBowmanNYC
Жыл бұрын
or just the MKE-600 for everything.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
I don’t have the AT875r on hand, but I agree, great bang for buck.
@sumitino
5 ай бұрын
Interested in getting a nice Pencil Condenser like you have in this video but they are all out of my budget. But, the Rode VideoMic Pro Plus is listed as a supercardioid condenser shotgun microphone. Is this essentially the same as a Pencil Condenser given its relative size?
@curtisjudd
5 ай бұрын
It has an interference tube so it acts much like the short shotgun mics. It can do a decent job.
@sumitino
5 ай бұрын
@@curtisjudd I think I’m gonna have to rewatch the video 😅
@danskott
Жыл бұрын
Another great job done! One day i´ll be able to afford a Sennheiser. It may not be related to the topic, but i noticed that your face is appearing more on the thumbnails of your videos, which is great! I´m too shy for that still, but it helps your channel a lot, once you decide to do it. Even if you may think you´re not as photogenic, as i am definitively not. (the key word here is "may")
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Evidently, KZitem decided that Mr Beasts way was the right way, so if we want anyone to find our videos, we have to include a face.
@M13337
11 ай бұрын
Lol what, I suppose that last sentence was a joke right? Curtis is plenty photogenic! And phonogenic, obviously.
@danskott
11 ай бұрын
@@M13337 Yeah, reading back now, that came out a little weird. I tried to fix it though.
@M13337
11 ай бұрын
@@danskott Hey, sorry if I came across as too critiqueing. I was just a bit caught by surprise by that last sentence since the rest of your post was nothing but very caring and nice. Maybe it was obvious that it was just some unfortunate choices of words and that no rudeness was intended. Regardless, thanks for listening and clarifying. Have a great day!
@danskott
11 ай бұрын
@@M13337 No problem at all! Notice that english is not my first language, so connotation mistakes happens once in a while. Thank you for the heads up! This is what democracy is all about! Enjoy your day as well!
@davidhasbrouck7948
Жыл бұрын
As far as I understand it, and correct me if I'm missing something, the physics of the coloration can be explained simply as follows. The shotgun mic is directional enough in the higher frequencies that it picks up mostly the source and then whatever is on its second bounce having hit the wall behind the camera and then behind the speaker. This means that the higher frequencies have more delay than they should accentuating the echo sound in the highs while the lows are not rejected as much and the timing is natural, but the balance in volume between high and low reverb is off. This makes the lows boomy and the reverb highs weaker and more distant sounding.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Yes, directionality and polar pattern seem to be involved along with reflected sound into the interference tube.
@EvanFotis
Жыл бұрын
Great value content as always! If I may ask for a suggestion to an issue I encounter when recording interviews with both subjects at close proximity. There is a “spill” over from each speaker to the others mic. Currently use two shotguns as close to each speaker as possible yet they pick up the other one as well… As it is shot on a green screen moving them further away is not an option. What would your preferred solution be in order to have two tracks as “clean” as possible with only the speakers voice audible?
@danielkaranja7978
Жыл бұрын
This problem is addressed at the audio recorder level (not the mic). Some of the newer professional audio recorders have a feature to automatically lower the gain of the mic that doesn't have someone speaking and then switch over when the opposite happens. I forget the exact name of the feature but if you watch Curtis Judd's reviews of the newest Sound Devices and Zoom audio recorders, he does mention this and explain it.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Automix can help. The ZOOM F series, Sound Devices MixPre II, and Mackie DLZ recorders all have variations of this. I found the Sound Devices version to work best. Also, I’m close proximity, dynamic mics may be a better choice worth exploring.
@EvanFotis
Жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd thanks for your elaborate suggestions! So even the Zoom F3 has this? From what i understand dynamic mics have to be too close and visible in the frame, which is not an option here, like most musicians or pod-casters are almost "eating" them or could they be placed at about 50 cm from subject?
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
@@EvanFotis no, if the mic has to be out of frame, I’d just use one mic. When the people are that close and the mics are that far away, nothing will prevent mic bleed. Just use one mic
@EvanFotis
Жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd its just that when one speaker starts talking the other usually start with breaths, exhalations and other funny noises etc apart from one speaker talking much louder at points that the other, that needs leveling and all these sounds are picked up and difficult to eliminate from a single track... Perhaps software solution isotope etc is best to be used?
@haraldthi
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this testing. I found the shotgun microphones to be the most reverberant, but none of them were actually bad. Which may be the issue here, if the microphones were put on the top of a camera and moved around. I have had quite a lot of issues with shotgun microphones outside close to cliffs, in fact. The reverb changes in an unnatural way as the microphone is moved. While I haven't had nearly as much issue using a shotgun mike in a crowded dining hall. It hints that some people are overly fond of simple but strict rules here instead of dealing with the actual issue. So thank you for the testing, as I was wondering where the limit goes.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Yes, movement, in my experience, makes the issues more noticeable.
@91darko
Жыл бұрын
The Sennheiser MKE 600 is a killer for its price. Sennheiser MKH 50 sounds a bit better but considering it's price not really worth it, especially if your income doesn't come primarily from recording sound.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@stevenkralovec
Жыл бұрын
Your voice sounds great with whatever mic you’re using for the A Roll! Are you using the MKH50 for that? Maybe I’m only just noticing now since I’m using my best headphones haha. Anyway great video!!
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Yes, that’s the MKH50.
@stevenkralovec
Жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd sounded fantastic to my ears
@makeperceive
Жыл бұрын
A very useful comparison, thank you
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@ITonOccasion
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for all the hard work in these comparisons! Would you mind sharing your opinion between the difference of the AT 875r and the AT4053b? I'm looking to use it in an untreated room, but the room has stuff on all the walls (shared office space at home). I'm looking to start a youtube channel, so not a lot of moving. I don't mind better audio, but I'm not sure if the price jump will be noticed in a non professional situation.
@curtisjudd
6 ай бұрын
Mic position will be more important than which of the two you choose.
@24by36
8 ай бұрын
Hi Curtis, great video (as usual!). One question came to mind: from your experience with the DPA 2017, how well do you think it would work as a substitute for, say, a boomed Audix SCX1HC in a small, untreated room? I also have a couple of DPA Core 4060 lapel mics - I realise a lot depends on how/where they are placed, but would they cut well together with a 2017 with minimal EQ-ing?
@curtisjudd
8 ай бұрын
It should, yes
@antoinewattier
6 ай бұрын
MK50 is always the best for indoors. I find the 416 not bad at all in this indoor situation. You get more reverb but you have this extra voice presence and detail.
@curtisjudd
6 ай бұрын
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@JohnDrewVoice
Жыл бұрын
I've voiced innumerable indoor, on-camera projects, from an HGTV cooking show to corporate industrial videos to motion pictures, and the most common microphone through which I've been recorded is the Schoeps. I'm not sure which models, and I'm not sure whether or not the Schoeps is considered a shotgun microphone, but in my opinion, the Schoeps' sound was always exemplary. That sound, however, doesn't come cheap. Schoeps microphones are not inexpensive. I have a Sennheiser MKH-416 as a backup to the condenser in my voice booth but have only tested it and have never used it in a session. At one time, the MKH-416 was used by some voice actors to capture that "voice of God" movie trailer sound. My question is whether or not the coloration of the MKH-416 is as noticeable in a heavily insulated voice booth where there is virtually no reflected sound.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
No, when you manage the reverb, the coloration is far less to non-detectable.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
As for the Schoeps, they make great microphones. They capture frequencies quite evenly so that post production has a good bit of latitude to sculpt the final sound with EQ and other tools. However, I have found that sibilant voices and Schoeps aren’t my favorite sound.
@JohnDrewVoice
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Curtis. That's good to know in case my condenser ever presents a problem. By the way, I believe the Schoeps used in most of those sessions was a CMIT-5U. @@curtisjudd
@onseteducation921
Жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Another thing to consider: I've found the CMC6mk41 is susceptible to RF interference if you don't have an RF filter on your cabling. But I've not had this problem with the Sennheiser mics.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
@@onseteducation921 I haven't run into that, so thanks for sharing. Will keep an ear out for that.
@ScoobieDee
Жыл бұрын
This was a great test to run , many thanks and yes imo the MKH 50 was the best , even more so than the 8050. One important factor that you left out is the distance that the mic was from the persons mouth when indoors. I did a test with The MKH 416 and the MKH 600 and also the Audio Technical and found that “on my voice” I preferred the 416 inside at short distance about 20 cm but the Cardioid Audio technical was much better at greater distances 40 cm plus ..with the bass rolling off considerably on both shotgun sennheiser mics
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
18 inches for all of these samples.
@swiggit
7 ай бұрын
it seems like the mkh 50 has a tighter presence with less boomy room tone compared to the 8050. Is this just due to an extended low-end frequency response of the 8050? I do talking head videos with the 8050 and with male voices I often boost the highs and roll off the lows to feel more present.
@curtisjudd
7 ай бұрын
Not sure. They seem VERY similar in my tests.
@hsjawanda
Жыл бұрын
Superb comparo! I thought my ears were sub-par (which they actually are; somewhat) for not hearing much of a difference. For non-professionals looking to get good sound for YT vids/video calls, would you say that a stereo pair of mics (assuming you move around a little bit within the frame) would make more of a difference than whether it's a shotgun or SDC?
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t generally record dialogue with stereo mics - you pick up twice the room ambience/noise.
@REX4340
Жыл бұрын
In future vids pls cover a wider range of applications like recording acoustic music/nature🙏
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
I’d like to do that but I don’t typically get to do those types of recordings. Just isn’t enough time in the day with my other commitments.
@TeddyRumble
2 ай бұрын
@@curtisjuddI recall you did some recording of acoustic instruments a while back. Agreed, though, recording live music is a true art.
@GadesChannel
Жыл бұрын
Hi, Curtis, thank you very much for this comparison. I agree, in most situations shotgun can be use indoors, BUT I noticed some strange "metallic-filter" disruption while recording with Synco D-2 in specific (narrow but long) room. I think dimensions or proportions of the room are important while using shotguns - probably this is something with interference of reflections some part of frequencies in the interference tube. So - in general - you can use shotgun, but not always. And probably these rare situation are the basis of "indoor shotgun advice".
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Probably so.
@wolfunplugged
Ай бұрын
it was helpful for me...because I just ordered the sennheiser mke 600😂😂...back to serious....for playing guitar and singing unplugged indoors...which video mic would you recommend? should be an "on camera solution". I do not want to record seperately.
@curtisjudd
Ай бұрын
Sennheiser MKE600 👍
@OrigEntertainmentOfficial
Жыл бұрын
Can you do an updated boom pole recommendation video? Thank you!
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Good idea.
@buckturgidson9666
Жыл бұрын
Thanks to your previous video, I purchased an AT4053b for my (indoor) videoconferencing. Mounted outside of the frame, it gives me really good sound quality making my coworkers ask me what mic I use. Honestly, I don't dare to tell as to many people I will appear crazy for spending that much on a mic for this purpose.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@Jonny51982
Жыл бұрын
For what it’s worth, as someone who has sensory issues, I always appreciate when I’m on with people who’ve put some effort and expense into their rig. It makes an enormous difference for me being able to follow conversations and not go into sensory overload. So, even if you think some of your coworkers might judge you for the cost, if any of your coworkers have sound sensitivities or sound processing issues, they probably appreciate your investment.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
@@Jonny51982 Good point! Makes perfect sense.
@orangejjay
Жыл бұрын
I use an AT 2021 pencil mic as my "starter" mic. As more funds come in and I get better at this video/audio game, I plan to upgrade to another pencil mic. Glad I found out about pencil mics before picking up the Rode NTG4+ I originally had in the cart (great mic but not so much so in an untreated, every day living room and bedroom studio set 😂). Thanks for continuing to produce these objective and continuously useful and current videos!! ❤❤
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@joelarvidsson
Жыл бұрын
Can you do a comparison between the three new, RØDE Wireless PRO Deity THEOS D-UHF TASCAM DR-10L Pro Field Recorder
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Are you most interested in using each as recorders and NOT wireless?
@joelarvidsson
Жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd As they all have built in 32bit into the recorder and timecode that is the most important comparison for me. But of course im interested in the overall easy of use and how good it keeps and syncs the timecode. And how good it plays with other devices. I still lean towards the Diety cause they will have a new wireless module for shotgun mics comming. Things like that matter.
@levicarter4577
Жыл бұрын
I’ve worked with some mixers that only use Mkh-50s, indoor or out. And then some show like Gemstones, we used 416s for everything. I believe on the new Napoleon show or movie, not sure which, they only used 50s and 641.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Yes, people have their favorites and stick with them.
@ahart228
Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Good info, and appreciate the video of the mics.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@orangejjay
Жыл бұрын
By the way, I love what you're doing to light your background. ❤
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
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@mirekbrdek4350
Жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis, thanks for the great and comprehensive test, it's a big help from you for all of us newbies out there! I really liked the sound in the second half of the test with the blue MKH-416 graphics, I was on the scales with the MKH-50. Anyway, I'm excited about the test and I'll be careful about which mic I use in the room. Is it also possible to use dynamic microphones such as the RE-20 or the TV favorite SKM-100 (capsule 835)? Thanks for all the listeners! Mirek Czech Republic
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
Of course 👍
@rickymcc8624
Жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis, this comment is off topic, but concerns Rode's small twin transmitter/recorder Pro that I think has just been announced. I would love to see your take on this. I'm sure it's probably already on your planned list of new items to test and review. Topline it looks incredibly interesting (based on paper specs). Don't know the price but for what it appears to include it will potentially rival many expensive pro kits. Maybe too good to be true. Adding timecode, real time monitoring, 32 bit float recording on transmitter, super compact, decent run time, charging case etc. Only downside I can see is (a) uses crowded 2.4 Ghz space and possibly (b) unknown compatibility with HQ lavs like Sanken Cos 11D? Hope you can test it soon.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
It’s on its way to me now. I wouldn’t consider this as a competitor to pro wireless systems like Lectrosonics or sound Devices or Zaxcom, but definitely looks interesting! More to come!
@Coolshows101
9 ай бұрын
Nice comparison. Shot gun was my choice years ago. With the info I found online, I could use it outside, and it would be okay inside. Rode NTG4+ is what I have from that. Well I started with a cheap $20 one from china that turns out has two diaphragms and two modes, shotgun and condenser. I used the NTG4+ for my film Airborne Death. You probably can't tell a shot gun was used indoors. I would ad that a LAV mic may be considered by many. Harder to pick up multiple people if you only have one, and more work to set up from what little I know, but they can be used both in doors and out doors. If I am correct, they need to be close to the sound, so they may have some rejection of sounds further away and not pick up as much background noise as a pencil condenser mic.
@curtisjudd
9 ай бұрын
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@the_black_douglas9041
Жыл бұрын
Great vid! I’ll never get tired of the Arthur Conan-Doyle benchmarking.
@curtisjudd
Жыл бұрын
😉
@JoeTheViewer
Жыл бұрын
What kind of blimp is that @5:35? How do you like it compared to the Rycote? Thanks
@curtisjudd
11 ай бұрын
That's a Rycote Nano Shield. The initial version had some shock mount issues but they've worked those out. I like the nano - much smaller and lighter. kzitem.info/news/bejne/mYVnuGyeip6Cq6w
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