Yoshi P: "go play ultimate if you want engaging healer gameplay" Players: "no"
@DuploBone
Жыл бұрын
😅😂
@georgeallison6528
Жыл бұрын
@@trask9100 I mean we all know healers in FF are never healers. Should've played WOW if anyone ever wanted to have a challenging healer gameplay.
@georgeallison6528
Жыл бұрын
@@trask9100 Not my fault u aren't mentally and physically strong enough for the game, mate. Saying FF isn't aids is like saying LOL is friendlier than dota 2
@silly5905
Жыл бұрын
@@trask9100 Why stop there? You can include the other roles in that last statement, too.
@eruditeminds4887
Жыл бұрын
This game has been lacking in healer gameplay since ShB, the expansion where they decided to both neuter their DPS spells and make damage extremely predictable and boring AF to heal.
@vayneinsane
Жыл бұрын
And I thought I was crazy for wanting to solo heal this. Top Tier gameplay sir.
@crowdemon_archives
Жыл бұрын
Turns out solo-heal is perfectly doable!
@sifren2491
Жыл бұрын
next challenge: TOP cleared by 8 botanists
@gapho5198
Жыл бұрын
7 Weavers and 1 Armorer.
@drzoidberg71
Жыл бұрын
@@gapho5198 a friend and I tested DOH/DOL dps. The top dps is miner. Neutering yourself to play with less op classes is.... amazing.
@trustytrest
Жыл бұрын
@@drzoidberg71 Reminder that you can use lv 60 accessories on DoL/H classes to increase their strength and do more damage
@RicardoSantos-oz3uj
4 ай бұрын
So Reapers and Warriors. Possible.
@TheOdinsLance
Жыл бұрын
Definitely an insane strat. I have to say I am in love with the liberal use of Mantra/Magick Barrier to boost Clemency, Physick, and Vercure. Also, seeing the raw barrier potency of 2 Paladins spaming Divine Veil alongside a Dancer using Improvisation and a Warrior using Shake It Off is just nuts.
@crowdemon_archives
Жыл бұрын
Lmfao and I thought just buffing Shake It Off normally is already pretty nuts (admittedly, Savage raid experience speaking... 😅)
@fardin.fkr3
Жыл бұрын
i wanna see the devs faces when they see this
@MrDdGANGER
Жыл бұрын
"Top was properly playtested and healers are engaging to play in ultimates"
@AaronWOfficial
Жыл бұрын
@@MrDdGANGER this is what happens when they make the game accessible to casuals (specifically how easy the jobs are to play now vs before), ppl can cheese hard content with 0 healers
@WhiteGryphus
Жыл бұрын
@@AaronWOfficial you say this like this is any easier than playing with normal 2t2h4d party
@AaronWOfficial
Жыл бұрын
@@WhiteGryphus never said it was easier. My point is this would not be possible back in the day, but because of how accessible they made this game to casuals its now possible to do it because the utility jobs have now is too op. I have been playing this game since goad and diversion were a thing, and tanks had 2 stances and shit. Seeing the way the game is right now and how easy it is to play is honestly disappointing. They need to buff the boss fights, the bosses don't do enough damage tbh
@tmarton133
Жыл бұрын
@@AaronWOfficial Sure, but this is no Dark Souls either. Many of the casual players don't even know most of the boss mechanics on lvl 90 expert dungeons; they don't know AOE timings, when to stack, when to run off, how to position, how to read debuffs. This game is more teamwork oriented instead of really high damage bosses. I started my first savages on Pandaemonium 1-4, we cleared in 2 months sweating a lot, then recleared with absolute ease because our party grew together and we understood mechs. I think FF has a far better MMO structure regarding raids than just having simply OP damage bosses everywhere.
@eysedrise1453
Жыл бұрын
Ah so the secret is to assemble a team comp with healing and shielding actions, travel to the mountains of Tibet, live as monks training your healing and damage synergies for 6 years and then return to defeat the hardest fight in the game. Got it.
@leiferikson850
Жыл бұрын
"The power of 6 monks"
@Fexghadi
Жыл бұрын
Third hardest*
@zannibalable
3 ай бұрын
@@Fexghadi na def the hardest, dsr is a piece of cake and others ultimates are jokes mechanics wise
@HaoyuTao
Жыл бұрын
Blaze was right, he really didn't have to heal.
@PainoDarkness
Жыл бұрын
You're fucking insane for that
@ceriserosaria
Жыл бұрын
The Physicks killed me. Amazing.
@JDxxxxxx
7 ай бұрын
lol
@ProfessorHeavy1
Жыл бұрын
That response to Magic Number was extraordinary. i mean, everyone saw it coming- res cheesing isn't all that unheard of, but in this case? Spectacular.
@JDxxxxxx
7 ай бұрын
Res cheesing? What’s that?
@GuyN0ir
4 ай бұрын
@@JDxxxxxxTo clear the debuff that kills them they just died in the first application and rezzed after the second. The intended solve is healer LB3
@Krysta1Rose
Жыл бұрын
I thought at the final phase there was a mandatory healer lb? Jesus this is impressive. Well done!!
@cheesecake13448
Жыл бұрын
the paladins use cover on the red mage and summoner to survive the first healer LB mechanic, then the smn and rdm prepare raises on everyone else and they use the short time of post-rez invulnerability to have some people survive the second healer LB mechanic long enough for everyone to accept the raises that they were given earlier and so they come out of it alive with no healer LB. it's actually such a cool strategy and i'm shocked that they managed to pull it off while still doing enough damage to beat the enrage cast.
@Krysta1Rose
Жыл бұрын
Amazing!! Thank you for helping me make sense of how this was pulled off ^^
@Elendrial
Жыл бұрын
@@cheesecake13448 As far as I can tell they're not actually using res-invulnerability, instead they're abusing the difference in time between the damage snapshot and the damage application. At 18:33 you see this pov being the first one up (though they're all close enough that this might be different on different povs) and they immediately start attacking, getting rid of the invuln, and the SMN dying after that. An extra tidbit: The DNC and MNK both appear to wall early so the RDM has enough time to res everyone, before the RDM themself walls so the SMN can res them. Similarly the pld we're watching doesn't mit magic number so they die that little bit sooner for the resses.
@VaioletteWestover
Жыл бұрын
@@Krysta1Rose The timing of their individual deaths must be also insanely precise to ensure they are outputting the maximum damage, any mistake with the timing will result in failing the damage check too. They are basically dying at the last possible attack and waiting for the second magic number cast to finish to revive..... the level of planning that went into this is nothing short of insanity.
@alphaarcher4723
Жыл бұрын
@@cheesecake13448looks very similar to the goodbye world strat for o12s, which is rather fitting
@ordi8725
Жыл бұрын
As a healer main, this made me feel obsolete. Thanks. On a serious note, this is insane strat and well done on pulling it off
@Inferlis
Жыл бұрын
So...next run is without the job crystal, right?
@richardwallis9374
Жыл бұрын
I wanna see tank top
@crowdemon_archives
Жыл бұрын
@@richardwallis9374 Same
@Dustlite
Жыл бұрын
Very cool. Though there are a lot of people in the comments with a single braincell not thinking about how much time and effort this took to learn to this degree and venerating it like it somehow justified not having healers or that healing is poorly designed in ff. Overall, cool vid.
@rayyanchile8728
Жыл бұрын
ikr? like this shit is insane and there’s no way in hell anyone can do it casually without insane planning and huge effort lol
@haydarinna631
Жыл бұрын
Healing IS poorly designed. I will change my mind when I see a 8 healer party clear ultimate. If skilled dps and tanks can replace healers but skilled healers can't do dps that rivals tanks or dps, it is badly designed. It is very cool that they were able to clear this but healer is the only role that can be made redundant through player skill and coordination. You can use all the time, effort and coordination you want but healers can't make other roles redundant. I would love to see a no-dps clear or a no-tank clear but I know that realistically an all-tank clear is more likely than either of those.
@VaioletteWestover
Жыл бұрын
@@haydarinna631 Your example makes no sense? By your logic since there are no 8 tank or attacker clear of Omega that means all roles are poorly designed? You can't constantly cry about homogenization and then basically say "every job needs to have equal utility within the game or I will try to make an outlier clear about myself and whine about it." This clear has *literally* nothing to do with you. it's a type of gameplay that has nothing to do with 99.999999% of players in this game which is why only these people have done this out of the hundreds of thousands of people that have attempted this mission. Your team and most teams probably can't even pass phase 1 single healing so please don't act like this team somehow diminished your role and suddenly no one will want you.
@haydarinna631
Жыл бұрын
@@VaioletteWestover There are 8 tanks clears of other content, including a bunch of pandemonium savage and ucob. Imagine if this was a video showing this content being cleared with 5 tanks and 3 healers and people in the comments were saying they wanted dps jobs to be more vital. You would not be arguing against them. You are the one making this about yourself. No one said anything negative about this team. But enjoy arguing against arguments that you come up with instead of actually confronting any differing opinions, I guess. This team didn't diminish anything. They did a great job with this clear. But the devs and other brainless mobs like you keep diminishing how bad healers are in their current state. You only bring up "homogenization bad" when it lets you make an argument against healers. Somehow healers being lesser than other roles helps variety in this game? Great argument. I don't care if noone wants me. If I'm kicked from a party because I don't have the player skill the job needs, I am fine with that. But the jobs require no skill and I am never kicked except for when I didn't get that week's gear yet so they want to take a healer with 1 more ilvl instead. That 1 ilvl will make more difference than any gap in the competence of 2 healers ever could.
@crowdemon_archives
Жыл бұрын
@@haydarinna631 well, why do you think healer shortage for savage raids is a thing?
@Crow-wv6if
Жыл бұрын
I thought the title was a joke at first. Ultimate players are amazing
@marslara
Жыл бұрын
This is not an ultimate player thing, this is just a select few being really good and coordinated. I don't think most groups could pull this off
@Crow-wv6if
Жыл бұрын
Oh i see, that’s still crazy, never done an ultimate yet but healerless is a whole new level
@Yokai_Yuri
Жыл бұрын
Whaaaat!?? Wow...imaigne clearing the strongest fight in the game with no healers. Either this group loved the T.O.P fight too much to attempt this or they hated it snd this is their revenge
@marchwhitlock6455
10 ай бұрын
Staring into the swivelling eyes of instrumental practice and daring it to blink.
@ItsMayme
Жыл бұрын
Absolute gamer units. Wow
@Wawawawawhe
Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely insane. Awesome job!
@devinayaz9210
Жыл бұрын
casual player? with that level of coordination. Id sooner meet the Pope.
@hyperionnova2854
Жыл бұрын
I like how people are taking the opportunity to complain about the state of healers when the majority of statics, let alone players on PF, can’t even clear the fight even with a standard 2-healer comp. Lmao
@marikafukuroi86
Жыл бұрын
what PF/average static is going to have this level of coordination
@crowdemon_archives
Жыл бұрын
People only see the job icons and ignore how this is not just an "ordinary" run either.
@vaan_
Жыл бұрын
Can tell you know nothing about this fight if you think comp is why people can't clear this, and not skill issue from not being able to handle mechs
@mayleelove4332
Жыл бұрын
@@vaan_ can tell you you don't know how to read
@vaan_
Жыл бұрын
@@mayleelove4332 don't you have moogle tomes to farm, limsa afker? shush
@fluffyfang4213
Жыл бұрын
1: Impressive. Both in planning and execution. 2: Despite the other comments, if there's a "healer problem", it's not in this video.
@ShxpxRok
Жыл бұрын
Casual Chinese players. can't do nothing but respect it good job :3
@tuesdayxu1377
Жыл бұрын
太强了,为你们骄傲
@zanagi
Жыл бұрын
Yoshi P : If you want harder rotations for the healers, just do Ultimates guys! the guys :
@jhonjhon2
Жыл бұрын
That was awesome, congratulations to you all! I'd also like to remind everyone that during a QA not too long ago, Yoshida said that if we healers think our role is too boring, we were supposed to go do ultimates. Funny how that's working out, huh?
@tiberia0001
Жыл бұрын
yeah especially considering that every fucking job they took can support heal in any kind.... might as well take a healer or 2 with you in that cdomp the damage won`t be much different especially with thoes paladis look how they cast.. litterally shield healer at this point...
@GeneiJin12
Жыл бұрын
There’s one easy way to solve this and I’ve said it for a long time. Delete clemency.
@Dustlite
Жыл бұрын
This is just obtuse lol. What a bad take
@Reous
Жыл бұрын
right, because people more doing this on the regular, extremely bad take.
@MrCarlWax
Жыл бұрын
Lmao. So many people coping about the state of healers under this comment
@kuri_curry
Жыл бұрын
I'm a healer main, and I quite honestly think this is epic af. Also, just because it was done, doesn't mean it was easy. XD That's seriously naive to think, also very optimistic. Can you do it? Perhaps. If you have 7 other people this good who is willing to do so. Logically speaking if you look at the comp, they've kind of 'replaced healers' with utility from the other jobs. ie, DNC, 2 x PLD, 1 WAR, RDM. Very clever, amazingly done! XD I can only dream of such things.
@shinkamui
Жыл бұрын
lot of people saying ''uh this shouldn't be possible, bad design'', if anything i love when stuff like this is doable, extremely cool to see
@XUIW
Жыл бұрын
Yeah they literally used all the major jobs that can heal or self heal in their kit that so replacing healers to add in more dps literally made them down the boss even faster. There need be a major rework to roles if we want to keep healers relevant in the near future (probably 7.0?)
@Jaxter0987
Жыл бұрын
@@XUIW "Down the boss even faster" Did you miss the part where they were racing against the enrage timer? And the fact that they had to hold dps in multiple phases to get cooldowns to line up to make their healing and mitigation plan work? Or the fact that their clear was the slowest to among the few non standard comp clears. Healers are still plenty relevant.
@XUIW
Жыл бұрын
I mean you do realize this entire purpose of the comp they are using giving them both the privilege to mitigate, heal, dps when needed right? They can do that without worrying about dps check because their whole comp is made up of dps that has offensive cds that helps them in those times. It’s not like they were going to one tap the enrage timer when literally most of them died the rdm was there to pick them up faster than what a healer can do and they’re a dps that is the issue to what I mean by “irrelevant” when tanks and dps can do things that doesn’t require healers to be there. This is a ultimate fight known to be more punishing, you’re usually meant to focus more on survival than a savage fight where even in savage you could ideally pull off the same thing, healers are by no means irrelevant though they will soon feel that way with how you can even run solo run trials, raids, and 90 dungeons with just war and still clear fights any fight in the game is the issue here.
@MrDdGANGER
Жыл бұрын
@@shinkamui It is a bad design if memes like this are possible to do in release patch. TOP so far is the worst ultimate because it is obvious with all bugs and this stuff that they crunched and rushed release while not caring about quality any second.
@JPrescottQ
Жыл бұрын
This is unbelievable. Well played!
@zydeox1221
Жыл бұрын
Smells to me that this video is going to explode
@churchren3899
Жыл бұрын
Well played, that's some incredible skill and a solid use of cheese!
@NeoSpira
Жыл бұрын
I think this is super cool that you can approach a fight. And those who just say "healing is pointless now" you're not gonna walk into an ultimate or even a savage fight right at the start with no healers. this is only achievable with a lot of factors fall into place.
@terezii
Жыл бұрын
when all the stars aligned
@JelisW
Жыл бұрын
You're not wrong in that not just any rando's gonna be able to do this, but this DOES say something about fight design in FF14. This is pretty much only possible because the nature of damage output in FF14 is extremely scripted, concentrated bursts of high damage that exceed max hp and require pooling of mits to survive, with long gaps inbetween. That is the main thing that allows this, and all the other ultimate solo-healer comps to work. We joke about PLDs being blue healers, but a clemency heals about 15k on average, 25k if it crits. They would not be able to hold up to moderately high, constant, _sustained_ damage. The way things are set up, heal checks become for the most part actually mit checks. The complaints about the bad state of healing is really just a symptom and extension of fight design philosophy
@haydarinna631
Жыл бұрын
Coordinated and skilled dps and tanks can replace healers, but the same isn't true for other roles. So yes, please think for a second before you comment and you would realize that those people complaining are right.
@dl88889
Жыл бұрын
@@JelisW Good point.
@mayleelove4332
Жыл бұрын
@@haydarinna631 considering it took this group 3 months to do this , who all have multiple clears already, no. Healers cannot be replaced. Is it do able? Yeah, with enough conviction, but no where reasonable in time or consistency.
@zzilmur
Жыл бұрын
🎉🎉🎉恭喜🎉🍾️🍾️
@TJetPrime
Жыл бұрын
That was AMAZING! savour this victory, this was god tier gameplay.
@twa6262
Жыл бұрын
생각지도 못한일을 실제로 해내다니 동경하게되!
@powergi3996
Жыл бұрын
Next: Clear TOP with auto-attacks only.
@ryanrushford7918
Жыл бұрын
Wow… astounding is all I can say. Congrats to you and your team, that’s absolutely insane! I honestly had to see it to the end to believe it lol. Even though you’ve just proved that one of the hardest fights can be done without a healer, I’ve said for long enough if SE won’t fix the healing issue, then just drop all healers to 1 per party in any content. I always have way more fun solo healing.
@jilltime
Жыл бұрын
incredible🎉
@KokoKrunchs
Жыл бұрын
This is just insane! Very well done 🎉
@AxelFireDancer
Жыл бұрын
Showing off paladins true potential 👏 the sheer amount of team work in this is amazing
@KasumiYoschikawa
Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy 😳 gg!
@centurionaugust7690
Жыл бұрын
3:38 ok but why he pull out the confetti already
@untrustingstatue
Жыл бұрын
when you reach a certain hp threshold during an enrage cast you basically know you have it in the bag if you just keep dpsing at the steady rate
@UmrAl-Tawil4422
Жыл бұрын
Random Q, how many test runs did it take to get it down ?
@sakurayomae4201
Жыл бұрын
within 52 times Phase 6 over 3 months
@akikotachibana
Жыл бұрын
fly high, you chinese gamers
@mincho0616
Жыл бұрын
Incredible, gratz on the clear xDDD
@ConeheadMerlin
11 ай бұрын
Damn, they be GAMIN HARD
@Amanofan7777
Жыл бұрын
Uh... Kutori is playing as the best healer in the game...
@verdantmischief7092
Жыл бұрын
Well played
@gandarf80
Жыл бұрын
What you mean? I see atleast 3 healers
@crowdemon_archives
Жыл бұрын
5 if you want to go a bit further
@gandarf80
Жыл бұрын
oh yea, RDM and SMN
@dinohazard
Жыл бұрын
Damn these Chinese players are good. I'd like to see them on Twitch
@SLdesuyo
Жыл бұрын
So Great!!
@taiwancowbei8857
Жыл бұрын
is this counter measure to the healer shortage issue
@XTr3m3b4sh
Жыл бұрын
What is this HUD layout, I can literally only see a quarter of the screen.
@ethosltd.9558
Жыл бұрын
I think I can say with full confidence now that ultimate is casual content
@shakeweller
Жыл бұрын
Insane
@dylanwright6632
7 ай бұрын
I prefer ff14 in many aspects, but when it comes to healing WoW does it the best.
@AtypicalWarrior
Жыл бұрын
10/10
@Cestial
Жыл бұрын
gg :)
@medivh1035
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@sovrack134
Жыл бұрын
Healers really need to be reworked, either give them something to do or give them interesting dps actions devs, jesus.
@sethkaiser7423
Жыл бұрын
While I love the insane strats, as a healer I feel kinda sad inside because it means that me as a healer and a support player, is never needed in ffxiv.
@trustytrest
Жыл бұрын
You can play a healer and still be valuable. Just look at Warrior!
@Fexghadi
Жыл бұрын
The only time healers are ever needed in this game is when there's a mechanic that puts you at 1 HP and forces you to heal to full before doom, because no amount of shielding and mitigation cheese can circumvent that. But even then, they'd probably top up a tank and a red mage or two and let raises do the job. That, and esuna requirements that a pair of bards couldn't deal with.
@Crispierbug
Жыл бұрын
@@Fexghadi If i remember correctly there's a mechanic in a fight (wol I think?) where the entire party is put to 1 hp and if you don't heal every single party member to full it wipes the whole party.
@nanatnat9327
Жыл бұрын
at the end of the day, a healer will always be valuable because what this video showcases is a incredibly small percentage of the playerbase. not every player will have as much tact and skill, and even if they do, having a healer is definitely the best way to complete this fight in a timely manner with minimal stress. these people had a first clear. you can look at their top weapons. there was no way it was with a comp similar to this, or even a comp with one healer. so much min-maxing went into this that the average ultimate raider doesn't care for or doesn't have a team with the right teamwork to pull off. i remember when e8s came out and the first solo healer clear followed. people thought it was impressive for a fight that had stumped the general playerbase for weeks, but the entirety of the playerbase still put two healer spots in their party finders. i wouldn't worry about it. there are still and will continue to be fights that will be beaten like this, but there will always be a need for healers everywhere.
@crosssquirrel4293
Жыл бұрын
In all seriousness i have seen the comments and such, and many have said a lot but haven't stated the obvious. What if people now instead begin to do new endgame content without healers. I mean they discovered this by trial and error like all the fights and what makes everyone think they cannot do the same with new endgame content? What if people for savage in statics and will now begin to ask for no healing but to know their support role and to time their mits and use their healing cooldowns properly.all for the sake of just maybe skipping mechanics and doing fights faster. And to back up what i am saying everyone is joking about the Zurvan meme. Skip soar or disband. I mean seeing this i think people will bring that meme to live again. Especially since it is the new unreal, what if people apply that with no healers… now with only dps the Skip soar or disband sounds more… That cannot be good or healthy for the game now.
@trustytrest
Жыл бұрын
Counterpoint: They should remove healers altogether and then balance content around these kinds of playstyles, making it so healing becomes everyone's concern while still keeping up mits, shields, and rotations
@furbyoats1
Жыл бұрын
good god
@koai871
Жыл бұрын
nice
@幂恪
Жыл бұрын
泰酷辣!
@teknikoscave
Жыл бұрын
UI simulator.
@asdsad17
Жыл бұрын
why not zoom out?
@Fain255
Жыл бұрын
Daaaamnnnn...
@TheNuvu
Жыл бұрын
wat???? gg
@moayedalmalki8455
Жыл бұрын
Guild wars 2 raiding be like:
@jeffbatista
Жыл бұрын
😮😮
@빼미-e8b
Жыл бұрын
무서워요
@twistedlime1975
Жыл бұрын
This just proves what I've been saying for the longest " healers are just dps that support" or "what's a healer?" Ugh
@Jaxter0987
Жыл бұрын
And whats wrong with "healers are just dps that support"? Damage is EVERYONE'S job. I've always called my role "green dps" and the tanks' role "blue dps". Healer's job is to keep the party alive but their job is also to do damage. Tank's job is to keep themselves alive, help the healers keep the party alive but their job is also to do damage.
@twistedlime1975
Жыл бұрын
@Jaxter0987 lol true, but that dps should be secondary. Like their is more of a push for dps #s over healing #s. Their are very few fights where you would need two healers imo. Like as pure healer main(I don't see the purpose of barrier healers for me atm since I won't max out my gear and my barriers suck lol. Side note I keep low geared just to give me something to do when healing with players who don't know how to play keeps things interesting.) But all I need to do is hit one medica 2 and maybe one ofc and were fine. The other healers are just their to dps in most cases for me. If anything, the other healer always 90% the time over heals. For example, if I medica 2, they medica 2 or w.e AoE heal and then another heal on top of that. And then go back to dps. To me, it's silly, but I'm old, so I guess lol. I'd rather not help dps at all their is no stress in that the only stress/challenge in that for me is getting high #'s which if I wanted I'd just go back to blm lol or an actual dps. Anyway, it should be my main role first over my secondary, not the otherwise around imo, but again, I'm old, and the new gaming kinda boring to me.
@trustytrest
Жыл бұрын
@Jaxter0987 The part that's wrong is because you can just bring a DPS or a tank instead of a second healer and you'll get better results for it. The only reason two healers are "needed" is so they can never have to use a GCD heal in their lives. And as this shows, even a single healer isn't really needed either, just makes things easier.
@mikejong1696
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit
@ThePotatoeJack
Жыл бұрын
And here I am, can't even clear a Savage tier xD but damn gg's on that clear :
@GoatOfWar
Жыл бұрын
Drk is *definitely* the problem here huh.
@adamkmet8936
Жыл бұрын
False. I see one healer... Warrior
@mxbear6095
4 ай бұрын
What do you mean no healer? I see 2 healer there 😂
@JDxxxxxx
7 ай бұрын
wtf lol how
@RicardoSantos-oz3uj
4 ай бұрын
Nonsense. I clearly see WAR and PLD. As well as a SUM and a res mague. They are all healers.
@touchthebacon5447
Жыл бұрын
Lies, I see one blue healer in this group.
@blanco1co1t
5 ай бұрын
but that's not true! y'all got paladin
@crosssquirrel4293
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Criterion dungeons savage can be done without healers too.
@Viderii
Жыл бұрын
Good job! But also, SE. The fact this is possible is a fundamental problem! Please, make healers actually a non-cosmetic part of your game!
@robertedmonds5235
Жыл бұрын
So how are they all getting healed?
@robertedmonds5235
Жыл бұрын
Total BS
@crowdemon_archives
Жыл бұрын
Just because you don't have green role in the comp doesn't mean no one else can heal.
@razor2k186
Жыл бұрын
No healer is false. Tanking healing and red mage healing, lol
@AmplifiedMayhem
Жыл бұрын
This is insane; just delete healers from game next expansion.
@fooly6868
Жыл бұрын
come 6.4 every healer will be immediately booted from parties
@carbuncle1334
Жыл бұрын
As a healer as main class, this video annoys me. 😆
@AleXannon92
Жыл бұрын
Very impressive, but i highly doubt it's casual players lmao.
@AoyagiMei
Жыл бұрын
Casual raid time, hardcore on the spreadsheet
@yuzuki2385
Жыл бұрын
Wtf?!
@RaddyC
Жыл бұрын
Healer design in 14 is now 100% indefensible.
@SubduedRadical
Жыл бұрын
More encounter design + massive healing potential from non-healer jobs than healer design...
@crowdemon_archives
Жыл бұрын
"Haha Nascent Flash and buffed Shake It Off go brrr" ~ me when I use WAR in hard contents
@vaan_
Жыл бұрын
if anything this exposes that they can create fun healers jobs, you can see them in action in this video of course Square "spam glare 200 times a fight" Enix would never admit it
@marslara
Жыл бұрын
@@SubduedRadical Right, it's more an issue of other jobs being able to do what healers can do but with more damage. The alternative is other roles can't heal as much or encounters deal more damage faster? It sounds like people just don't want healers but closer to this where it's just dps with support abilities.😂
@zankies8735
Жыл бұрын
@@marslara Aside from weak damage buffs, healers have very little role responsibility. Healers would love more unique buffs or the reintroduction of Haste /elemental armor/ of other FF iconic buffs or debuffs. They would also love more unique healing abilities like Pneuma or AST Macrocosmos and earthly star. Most healing abilities are oGCDs you press once every 30 seconds and never think about a mechanic again. Often the suggestion of adding haste or other unique buffs gets fought by many other DPS or tank players, as they believe healers can't handle more than healing or it would be detrimental to the play style of tanks and DPS. It's a weird trinity that would rather the Healer only focus on healing but healing gets done too quickly while mitigation is not usually handled solely by healers. (Hell, WHM only has one AOE mit and one single target mit). Already we see that Healers spend more time dpsing than healing by a 9:1 margin on fflogs. (With the worst being a 7:3) So when healers ask for more DPS, it's to make the boring nature of dpsing more meaningful and a skill expression. Most healers don't want DPS for the sole purpose of doing immense amounts of damage but to break up the boring nature of pressing one button. I do admit that some may argue that "with more DPS abilities, they should deal more damage". Perhaps that isn't a big as a problem people make it out to be. Solo instances are hard and boring on healer. One of my controllers broke because I pressed my x button so many times it indented inwards. It's not good for a controller, and it's not entertaining. Reducing the survivability of other classes is also not a fun idea. Solo instances may even require the occasional self healing that those DPS classes have available. Healers though? They have to sit and press their 3 DPS buttons throughout every instance. Or two if you are SCH. (SCH does not get any other DPS ability after ARR.) Healers want SOMETHING to do, because we are at a point where more casuals are realizing that being a healer isn't fun. While more and more content gets done without healers. Yes this ultimate is an outlier compared to other ultimates. It's been on brand for all forms of content to be done healerless. I know you mean well, and this issue is a very complicated one. Changes to healers would have immense precautions to the other classes. And healers are 'technically' functional and usable in all forms of content. Still, I'd argue that they each need to be expanded upon in some ways that is not just about healing.
@stuart0wnz
Жыл бұрын
How do you see with this UI out of curiosity, do you just aim at the floor 24/7?
@xYiazmatx
Жыл бұрын
Wow players: Wait, you guys can see?
@trustytrest
Жыл бұрын
Aside from the player markers, it's not bad
@Kai-gj7mk
Жыл бұрын
of course this would be a chinese team lmao. This is impressive as hell
@andreluizxd2873
Жыл бұрын
CONGRATS, GOD TIER GAMEPLAY. IMO FF is slowly becoming "Lost Ark", No healing but shield, that's the new design for healers in MMOs and FF is heading to this way, the role "healer" as we know will die in a few years and the role SUPPORT will take the place.
@hadares3699
Жыл бұрын
Supports in Lost Ark definitely heal, especially in on-ilvl parties. They try to shield as much damage as they can, but you can't get all of it. In reality it's very similar to FFXIV where the better the team plays and the less mistakes they make (in general content) then the less the supports need to heal because everyone is taking less damage overall.
@vaan_
Жыл бұрын
If anything this proves that SE's decision to remove the little dps nuance healers had (and locking them to 1 spammable + 1 dot + 1 flavour damage gcd) is a complete failure and unnecessary. They've minimized damage tools so healers have the freedom to heal whenever, yet at the same time design fights with the exact same timings due to 2min bursts and homogenized defensive cooldowns. And even if they didn't, they've shown time and time again that they can design rotations that hardly break combo when doing other moves (like reaper). The only reason healers are what they are is because the devs just don't care about the role. Someone was ambitious about it with Astro back in HW going into SB, but since then they've given up.
@ampur2
Жыл бұрын
lmao wtf
@LegendaryDorkKnight
Жыл бұрын
The healer community as a whole deserves this. To know that at any time they can be dropped for another DPS or tank. Too long has the "I decide who lives and dies" god-complex mentality spread and taken root in their hearts and minds. Let them feel the fear of being replaceable.
@trustytrest
Жыл бұрын
"Heh, the healer has the most important job" Meanwhile this is literally impossible for a no DPS or a no tank run. Heck, it would be much simpler if it wasn't for the Magic Numbers debuff at the end being a healer (pseudo) requirement.
@CL-jq1xs
Жыл бұрын
this is normal. Look at WoW as well. Healers are also dropped and gear for healers are prioritized last.
@LegendaryDorkKnight
Жыл бұрын
@@CL-jq1xs Which begs the question: How on earth do healers still have such a huge chip on their shoulders?
@Xehunis
Жыл бұрын
You literally got 3 healers lol well done
@MrXAznDude
Жыл бұрын
Go do this if It's so easy.
@albiedo391
Жыл бұрын
Healing in this game needs a serious rework
@hahaepic4165
Жыл бұрын
why because you saw one vid of people way better than you'll ever be achieve something that you won't ever achieve and now healing needs a serious rework?
@verdantmischief7092
Жыл бұрын
@lolololLamfaoWhaTever Just because they don't use healers in doesn't mean they are the best big brained players it just means the healers AND these fights have some serious design flaws.
@albiedo391
Жыл бұрын
@@hahaepic4165 you are not very smart are you? If the hardest content in the game can be clear without healers then the rest of the game doesn’t need healers
@hahaepic4165
Жыл бұрын
@@verdantmischief7092 Actually that's exactly what it means, these are the best players in the world to be able to do this. Sorry to break it to you. It's not a design flaw that they made something you will never achieve possible.
@MrCarlWax
Жыл бұрын
@@hahaepic4165 cope
@grandruby5343
Жыл бұрын
Idk how you consider this casual despite clearing one of the hardest fights in the game without an actual healer, and no 3rd party tools.
@aprilzch2656
Жыл бұрын
‘Casual Player’ is their team’s name actually, but they are one of the top teams among Chinese players. They also won the championship of the 1st primals speedkill competition held by FF14 China offical in 2020.
@Jakiegrox
Жыл бұрын
??? Paladins are glorified healers
@JRZTT
Жыл бұрын
how? I'm curious how can they heal themselves? I know clemency is a thing but I meant when there are raid wide dmg. I don't think clement and second wind is enough for that, right?
@JelisW
Жыл бұрын
The truth about damage in FF14 is that most heal checks are actually mit checks: high, concentrated bursts of damage that exceed max hp and will 1-shot you without mits, with extended time in-between to heal up. Note that PLD, in addition to having Clemency, is known as the party mit tank, as they have one extra party mit in passage of arms. Also, the rest of the party is very carefully calculated to either have party mit, or some kind of party regen, or both. So: Double PLD: divine veil (party wide small heal plus shield), passage of arms (block for the pld and 15% party damage mit), intervention/holy sheltron (single-target damage mit plus regen; intervention is the version that can be put on party members), clemency (ST heal), and their magic spells have small heals to themselves WAR: shake it off (party shield, heal, AND regen), nascent flash/bloodwhetting (ST mit, shield, and heal; nascent flash is the version that can be put on others), Equilibrium (heal and regen for the WAR), thrill of battle (increases hp for the WAR, increases recovery via healing actions) DNC: improvisation (party regen and shield), curing waltz (party heal) SMN: summon phoenix (party regen), rekindle (ST Phoenix regen), physick (ST heal; I know, but the logs actually show 27 casts of physick lmao), raise RPR: arcane crest (shield to self that when broken, grants party-wide regen) MNK: mantra (party-wide 10% boost to HP recovery via healing actions), Riddle of Earth (mit and regen for the mnk) RDM: magic barrier (party wide 10% mit plus 5% boost to hp recovery via healing actions), vercure, and raise And of course the basic triple reprisal/feint/double addle/shield samba mit rotation, with second wind on the mnk, rpr, and dnc, and bloodbath on the mnk and rpr
@JRZTT
Жыл бұрын
@@JelisW damn, ty
@dl88889
Жыл бұрын
@@JelisW Thanks for breaking this down.
@crowdemon_archives
Жыл бұрын
@@JelisW as WAR main, Shake It Off really is ridiculous lol
@Jaxter0987
Жыл бұрын
@@JelisW Just going to add that RPR also has blood bath that you didn't mention at the end.
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