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@Brent-Nelson68
Жыл бұрын
Glenn, how can you be sure that the difference in the 2022 Chinese V30 isn’t just due to small variations in the tolerances in manufacturing? Wouldn’t it be more accurate to test multiple 2022 Chinese V30s to see if they are all sonically the same?
@bmxriderforlife1234
6 ай бұрын
How much you want for rhat 2017 speaker. Industrial metal and black metal tone. Double mic it and make use of that weird harmonic it has lol.
@rumaoficial4723
3 ай бұрын
Hi Glenn , I am From Chile,I had the same problem with my v30 speakers and guess what ..are 2017 model!!. So to upgrade the sound I use a small mooer eq pedal with in the fx loop of my bugera 6260. It is always on with a high cut about 6-10 db. After saw your video I bought a 2022 model and did a comparision between the v30 2022 model (wich sounds just perfect). vs 2017 model. I can tell you the improvement in 2017 model sound with the fx loop eq is A LOT!...its Crazy how can close to 2022 model you can get. (i think with a Eq with more refined eq bands you can get even closer to 2022 model). PS. I am a bassplayer 😂😂... A "Tone chaser" so I know how important is to have a good speaker ( I did a lot of guitar and bass cabinets for other People and for myself .Due this experience Ive learned that the speakers rules the other parts of the chain ...Always remeber that they are the ones who "SPEAK" to us.
@upstairstudio371
Жыл бұрын
It's wild how the 2017's just disappear in the full mix. Also, the amount of work that goes into these videos is incredible and so well done. Thank you for doing all this Glenn. This video was as nerdy as it was helpful! I cant believe they're really tryna sell it that nothing has changed over the years. Our job is to hear these kinds of differences and now we can see them 😅😂
@st33Npuist
Жыл бұрын
They will never tell that some batches are crap.
@dilbophagginz
Жыл бұрын
I actually emailed Celestion about this and they basically said the same thing. "It'll sound great no matter what year it was made." It honestly just sounds like PR speak to me.
@redlionhead5902
Жыл бұрын
It's the PR people speaking.. They have no clue technically.. Which is not to be expected but still.. this "ill informed" video and the last one speaks for itself
@AlexWBKK
Жыл бұрын
How could this be PR talk? A good pr manager would find a way to rebrand them to the "new Vintage celestion 30ties" and make money with new sales from ppl who have the speaker at home already. Like other companies do it. This is the opposite of PR.
@dilbophagginz
Жыл бұрын
@@AlexWBKK Yeah, actually you have a point. If their goal is to make more profit, that's definitely not the way to do it lol. Basically trying to convince me to NOT buy a new v30.
@TheEllis197
Жыл бұрын
Seems like their goal is to push the new v30’s without admitting they messed up the last decade and a half. If you’re gonna sell bullshit, at least stand by your bullshit😂
@Chloeeee892
Жыл бұрын
Yes Celestion. Technically true it will "sound great no matter what year it was made." If you are swapping out a seventy 80 like I did 😐
@alexeysmirnovguitar
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the fre IR, Glenn! Recently I mixed a song for client using this IR, and it turned out great. My most aggressive sounding mix to the day!
@SpectreSoundStudios
Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@DustinLeighMattern
Жыл бұрын
I love how honest and thorough you are with your videos and tests. You really just want the honest truth, and you will always admit if you are wrong. Very respectable Glenn!
@StephanS
Жыл бұрын
I recently bought a 1x12 Harley Benton cab for my Mesa Boogie. After investigating a little, i found out that this already houses the new V30 models, and it sounds awesome! This was exactly the sound i was looking for, but didnt expect from a V30. Thanks to your videos. Please keep them coming
@TheGuitarGeek
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Glenn. I just cracked open my 2x12 and I have the opaque dust caps and the kind of melty connections. Those 2017 you tested sound AWFUL and I have a cab that I am pretty has those models, time to get some new ones!
@BarefacedAudio
Жыл бұрын
I asked Celestion about this because the V30 has been our stock 12” speaker (although over half the cabs we sell have custom drivers) since we launched our AVD guitar cabs a few years ago. I personally hadn’t noticed a change in the look or sound of that speaker since we started using them in 2019. Celestion’s response was that they haven’t changed the dustcap in that time - but that there is much better QC and various changes which would make a 2022 V30 sound better than a 2006 one. Having designed our own speaker drivers I’m all too aware how the minutiae of surround, cone and dustcap design (and the glue joints between them) have a huge effect on response in the non-pistonic region. So, I think your suggestion that the tonal change is from the 2006 dustcap being more heavily loaded with dope* (*not the drug) is a good one! There may be other factors too but dustcap radiation (and it’s interaction with cone radiation) really dominates the treble region of guitar tone.
@lifelongpilot
Жыл бұрын
The 2022B does it for me, such a great sound, especially in the full mix
@scottreynolds6317
Жыл бұрын
Glenn, love the evidence!!! If these companies want to really dispute this, then they need to show us their evidence (which they can’t). I look forward to more of your fantastic content. Thank you!!!
@trumancarter1299
8 ай бұрын
I've had '03 versions (was my favorites), Mesa spec 30's, '06, and recently a brand new one '24..the new one sounds incredible, real tight and just bad ass
@PippPriss
Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! One thing I was missing was following: you tested the 2022 with boosted 7kHz. How about taking the 11db away from the 2017 version? Does that come close to the 2022 as well?
@Jrez
Жыл бұрын
Something as slight as a change in viscosity, and surface tension, of whatever epoxy or plastic material they coat the mesh with could account for some pretty drastic changes to how much ends up on it after applying.
@luigigetsu
Жыл бұрын
Exactly, even if the materials are the same, this just looks like some induced damping phenomena is attenuating the amplitude of the response at those frequencies. I would especulate some kind of friction damping change due to the way everything might be assembled/connected generates that sort of local change in the frequency spectrum.
@TheEllis197
Жыл бұрын
Basically the opaque dust cap is moving more air towards the center and causing that high end spike.
@joshuacole6543
Жыл бұрын
kohle did an interview with nolly where they talked for like an hour about V30s and nolly explains that there are differences in the sound V30s as you go throughout the years. they could indeed not change the design but use a slightly different material or something like that and get a different sound. id imagine a lot of the changes in sound are not intentional but just what happens you build speakers for such a long period of time. and of course the hours put on the speaker impacts it as well
@richardyoung9773
Жыл бұрын
In addition, dies and assembly jigs wear and get bent/damaged as production continues, or even get replaced, whcih can induce changes as well as changes in material supply, form companies going out of business to environmental regs. ONly real way to test would be to find out whatever dope is used on the dustcap, apply some more to a "good" V30, and take freq responses before and after. Or take a freq response of a "bad" v30, carefully remove the dust cap with an exacto knife, take antoher freq respnse in the same cab, carefully glue in a completely different dust cap, repeat.
@stuartchapman5171
Жыл бұрын
@@luigigetsu I don't claim to be knowledgeable enough to be an expert. I have worked with pro sound engineers in PA. The frequency response will vary from driver to driver. The amount shouldn't be too drastic in quality brands if the same parts and processes are used. Comparison between the two 2022 drivers shows this. One thing I do know is no properly functioning driver has friction, except that which is exerted by the surrounding air. Any friction between speaker components would be from the voice coil and the fixed magnet. This would be due to overheating and melting the winding glue, causing it to work free or from weak/damaged spider and outer cone suspension. In either case that driver needs a recone.
@ronedes378
Жыл бұрын
I pulled my 12" vintage out of my 1996 Trace Elliot combo , and it looked like the brand new 12" vintage 30 I just picked up for my Marshall valve state . I never noticed the the center cap before, but now....
@bryan.holmes
Жыл бұрын
During the last weeks I researched about this 8 vs 16 ohms thing specifically in V30s. There are several shootouts and technical explanations here on YT. After this I must say that, to me, the ohms of the speaker have a bigger impact in the highs response than being made in China or UK, the year of production, dome type etc. 16 ohms will sound fizzier, while 8 ohms will have that tightness we all love.
@millardbrown4769
Жыл бұрын
Love the research, the evidence and the clips! BTW, extreme kudos to the players - well played! And loved the mix as well, especially the 2022's. Yep - "nothing to see here". Maybe slightly off topic - Many years ago, I had a Vox Viscount (Solid state 2x12) with two Vox "Bulldog" speakers. I have since discovered that these apparently were OEMed Celestions. In any case, they sounded unbelievable - almost impossible to lose in the mix. So I've been a member of the "sound is in the speakers" camp for a very long time.
@purgasound
Жыл бұрын
I've got somewhere around 30 or so V30's and I never thought much about the differences until my most recent tour. I was using a Silver Jubilee cab with V30's from 2014 and they sounded AWFUL. I ended up replacing them on the road with G12-65's and was happy with the difference. Then when I got home I went into my studio and played another Marshall 1960BV cab and that sounded great. It's wild there can be so much difference within the same model. I mean there's Marshall labeled V30's, Celestion UK, China, I even have some 2003 labeled VINTAGE 30MF that were "designed exclusively" for the MF280 cabs. There's a lot going on when all of us just want the ones that DON'T SUCK. Thanks for the video
@JaredKeefer
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video Glenn! Ever since I found out about specific years of vintage 30s being more desirable, I have been curious to see what the actual differences were from a frequency perspective. It's wonderful to have a resource that provides actual evidence based information about these products.
@FloridaManRacer
Жыл бұрын
There's a ton of noticeable difference from speaker to speaker. I personally believe speakers can only hit so tight a tolerance curve due to the production process and the materials used. Even trying to make them as equal as possible, I think there will always be this noticeable a variance from speaker to speaker... Think about pickups. It's all about how they wind them. Each speaker has a magnet and a coil. Those will have slight variance. The paper cone thickness will always have variance. The amount of glue applied will always have a certain variance... I just don't see where it would be any different than buying two sets of passive humbuckers from the same product line, and finding out there is a difference in sound from set to set... That's why tone is always like a treasure hunt. You find a bunch of shit before you find a piece of gold...
@dannygray4898
Жыл бұрын
Very good points. I'm learning about all of this stuff, cheers mate.
@snap-off5383
Жыл бұрын
Humanity right now really is struggling reconciling "I scientifically KNOW that there's a difference" and "yeah but your senses aren't even CLOSE to good enough to discern even the slightest difference." Yeah we know when you slap a car on the trunk as it goes by you "scientifically" sped up the car, but the statistical significance of that added speed is exactly zero.
@riangarianga
Жыл бұрын
I totally align with this approach. Anybody with a STEM background would.
@PippPriss
Жыл бұрын
While you are mostly right in the sense that there always be certain room for differences, you cannot nullify actual process differences with this approach. Obviously, the two 2022 speakers had a similar curve to them - sure, some tolerances were there, but the slope as well as the resonance frequencies were close enough to not think of them as different speakers. The 2006/2017 version have such a high boost, that is not explainable through tolerances alone.
@jonathanstrand2474
Жыл бұрын
Dunno because 11 DB is a huge difference!, very audible ….that one cab had too much in the wrong freq band, noticeable screech!
@ant_yep
Жыл бұрын
2022 one i heard a big difference and I don't hear so good lol Thanks to you i can see the differences now. Thanks Glenn 🤘
@gyslainbeauchamp9241
Жыл бұрын
Great job Glenn,you giving us the right answers thats why your channel deserve more subscibers,its essentiel to get the knowledge you 're Sharing with us🤟
@Just-Michael
Жыл бұрын
That last point about the speaker having a massive effect on your tone, no matter what you do, is very true. I was looking at speakers for my Peavey Bandit and the Eminence Swamp Thang was one of the top recommendations. After hearing a number of examples, there was a mid frequency that I didn't really like, but I thought "maybe it will sound different in my cab". It did not. It sounded exactly the same as the sound samples I'd heard. If you don't totally love the sound of a speaker in samples online, you will most likely not like it in your own amp. I'd never swapped a speaker before so that was a lesson learned. :P
@Rikamortis6stringer
Жыл бұрын
Glenn you blew my mind. This is some REALLY GOOD SHIT! Thanks for the heavy dose of information!! Your channel is getting better and better.
@bolusbw
4 ай бұрын
If you plan future 8 vs 16 ohms video you should keep in mind that the way you connect speakers in 2x12 cab together matters (series or parallel). I am waiting to see this comparison with your approach. From what i recall Adam Steel did video about this topic.
@PeteBasel
Жыл бұрын
Nice work again, very well done. Did you do your measurements near field (mic inches from dust cap)? Or more like .5m away? I believe that .5m would be best and be sure to place the mic in the exact same spot each time, otherwise the off axis response of the speaker will contribute to differences.
@youztuber5000
Жыл бұрын
Speaker location in a cab makes a pretty big difference, too. Try the same speaker but in upper left vs upper right vs lower left vs lower right.
@Jrsystem
6 ай бұрын
I honestly like how the 2006 sounds tbh
@sim0n17
Жыл бұрын
amazing range of difference - in the isolated clip that 2016 sounds interesting (quite good) but the 2017 sounded fizzy (not good). I think I liked the 2016 in the mix the best overall as well - GREAT DEMO with real data - thank you!!
@joesalyers
Жыл бұрын
I did a shoot out with EV12Ls since we had like 12 of them lying around from the early 80s to around 2018 and the differences were massive, but they all at least had the same character, this V30 test is like wholly different speaker types. I've never been a Vintage 30 fan but the later models sound pretty good. I bought a V30 loaded cab back in 2005 and I absolutely hated it and now I know why.
@juanvaldez4043
Жыл бұрын
I heard that goop is called “dope” it’s to prolong the life of the suspension around the speaker. It’s like changing the springs in your car. The car is the same but the ride “feels” different. It’s probably affecting the sound more than we realize some models don’t have any.
@cdawg-switchhitter2473
Жыл бұрын
This is what I like to see. I feel like the channel has been lacking in the testing and Experiments department. Everyone loves that stuff right now. Please do more stuff like this measuring speakers. I think the nerdy testing stuff is my favorite stuff that you do man!
@jeremythornton433
Жыл бұрын
YESSSS! The scientific method does NOT lie! Brilliant, Glenn! Love you attitude and perseverance! Not only could I seriously hear a difference, but I could see it on your graphs.
@plumbummusic2051
Жыл бұрын
Hey Glenn! Hopefully I can chime in with some useful information regarding 8 vs 16 ohm speakers: Adam's "Every Celestion Speaker Compared" video, which you contributed some tracks to, showcases the difference between 8 and 16 ohm speakers. Around 5:56:03 he isolates the impedance changes by connecting both speakers to a 8ohm solid-state power amp (that - according to Adam - does not "see" the impedance from the speaker and can be run safely). There is a noticeable change in the top end, one that agrees to the differences heard in this video. Also, in Kristian Kohle's interview with Ignazio from Jensen speakers (called "Meet a true GUITAR SPEAKER EXPERT!", at around 10:32), the interviewed engineer states that a 16 ohm speaker is more efficient, therefore it will have more top end than its 8 ohm counterpart. It's really amazing that we can see and hear all those variables being put to test. Thank you for all the work, keep at it!
@russellhltn1396
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why a 16 ohm speaker would be more efficient, but the real question is how the speaker manufacturer got the different impedance. 16 ohms would take more windings, but could get by on thinner wire for the same power handling. Since the coil is attached to the speaker cone, I'd expect any weight difference to show up in the sound.
@plumbummusic2051
Жыл бұрын
@@russellhltn1396 in Kohle's video Ignazio goes into a little more detail regarding efficiency and windings of the voice coil. Seems like the "standard" way for achieving a higher impedance will consistently make it sound brighter in any type of speaker from any brand.
@acexxxoasis
Жыл бұрын
Ohms law and Watts law will describe why there's a change V=a*r w=a*v Let's assume 25v output a very pulled Out my ass number that makes guitar wattage and stuff easier. 25v/8ohms= 3.125a 25/16ohm=1.562a 3.125A*25v=78.125w 1.562a*25v=39.07w A 16ohm speaker operates at lower Amperage so you can push more before they are heating up from current flow electrically. Mechanically using the higher impedance coil should relate to better motor control especially on high excursion platforms because the voice coil will have smaller increments before the following loop of the wire compromising the voice coil. Not saying that one can handle more power than another, but what they can do with that specific amount of power is different.
@russellhltn1396
Жыл бұрын
@@acexxxoasis I'm assuming when switching from 8 ohms to 16 ohms, one changes the tap on their tube amp. As for "A 16ohm speaker operates at lower Amperage so you can push more before they are heating up from current flow electrically." that's assuming thinner wire wasn't used to lighten the weight of more turns of the voice coil. Bottom line - "insufficient information - need more data".
@TheShaneGuy
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for doing the work to show the difference visually and sonically between the speakers. I have Celestion G12-75T in my PRS Archon which was purchased in 2017. Will it be affected by this? I'll look in the amp with a torch tomorrow. It isn't a Vintage 30 is why i ask. Love the channel. Keep up the great work.
@proton45
Жыл бұрын
One thing that I found interesting, is that the transparent dust cap does NOT seem to be "filtering out" or "dampening" the higher frequency's, in any consistent way. When confronted with 2 dust caps, and one of them is opaque and the other one allows you to see the speaker cone beneath... your first assumption is to think that the opaque dust cap, might sound a little muffled or dampened, and the more transparent dust cap would sound more "open". BUT, the EQ graphs (captures) don't seem to bear out this assumption. I need to take a second look at this... THANKS Glenn, interesting video. PS maybe one dust cap is stiffer, or less flexible? LOL, Maybe you need to destroy 2 speakers, by removing the dust caps, and testing there various characteristics. 1) filtering abilities 2) rigidity ect...
@joeyhallmusic
Жыл бұрын
The 2022B is my favorite. It has a “throaty”(?) resonance to it. Couple questions, Glen, why are IR’s that come preloaded in plugins such unusable garbage? I’m sure it didn’t take you long to make that free 2022 v30 IR which is tremendous. Also, is there a science to blending multiple IRs in something like libra or is it just a matter of experimenting until you find the right combinations?
@georgebezman4883
Жыл бұрын
Same here. The 2022B sounded by far the best to me. It also sounds like it could provide really nice deep yet piercing cleans too, outside of metal.
@wmxx2000
Жыл бұрын
I might be crazy, but the 2015 solo'd sound pretty damn good to my ear. Full mix it's 2022.
@jsamaofficial
Жыл бұрын
And this is why I trusted my ears over my eyes. Thanks Glenn for saving our money and time for your most videos.
@Shawnee845
Жыл бұрын
When using different ohm cabs with a head, does the impedance make a tonal difference? Hello, Jeff. I read your stuff with Premier Guitar and decided to write with a question about ohms. I was trying to decide on a Mesa/Boogie 2x12 (8 ohm) or an Orange 2x12 (16 ohm) when I came up with a question. Tone-do the ohms change anything if all other things are equal? Say, an 8-ohm head in an 8-ohm cab, or a 16-ohm head in a 16-ohm cab? My head will do 4, 8, or 16 ohms. I’m not sure if the Orange is two 8-ohm speakers in series or two 16-ohm speakers in parallel, I just know I cannot get the impedance lower. I love the Celestion Vintage 30s. I love the closed-back design and construction of both cabs. I really LOVE the look of the Orange cab. I have always heard the lower the ohms, the better the speaker response. Does any of this really matter as far as tone goes? As I get older, I am thinking a load is just a load. If it is a match, you are not overheating your amp and everyone is happy. So I guess the question is: Does the same speaker have a different sound depending on the ohm rating? Forgive me if this is just a really silly question. Sean
@PajakTheBlind
Жыл бұрын
Nice to see you conduct these sample experiments. If I were to guess for the underlying reason for the difference: the caps with less of that glue result in less stiffness or whatever are just less stiff and thus less likely to effectively vibrate in the higher frequency region. From my uni class (10+ years ago) I remember that EQ cuts were harder to detect by ear, so some of the differences in these notches might not contribute that much to the sound (since they seem very similar with just a very small tip added to one of them). Very nice job. Cheers.
@Photoshopper13
Жыл бұрын
Glenn, thank you for showing it clear what really affects the bass/guitar sound and what does not. Your knowledge is priceless.
@SuperGuitar38
Жыл бұрын
I bought 8 V30's in 95' to put in two 4x12" cab's. Glorious! No hi end harshness. Shakes houses but more importantly I found V30's can push a mid scoop way better than say a 50, 65, 70, 80w celestions. As I am a Thrash guitarist they are perfect for me.
@rickbloudoff5121
3 ай бұрын
i think how much the speaker is broken in has a great effect on the tone,and if the speaker was turned up too loud it can damage its tone in bad ways as well,lots of variables
@tcfirefreak
6 ай бұрын
Can confirm, as of July 2021 ALSO have the clear caps. Will be installing tomorrow
@PetiteLameque
Жыл бұрын
I would really like to see a video where you take some 1x12” combo like a Peavey or something that many bedroom guitar players use but doesn’t sound really good, and see if a speaker swap could make the amp sound better. Many players don’t own or can’t use a head & cab, and I’m sure it would help out many players!
@SpectreSoundStudios
Жыл бұрын
I did this to a cheap behringer cab… kzitem.info/news/bejne/rp6k1oaAs5h2q2U
@douglasdog1
5 ай бұрын
Still using the free IR after a year. Love it! Loaded it on my Two Notes Cab M and Fender Tone Master Pro.
@chrisj4570g
Жыл бұрын
Fuck yes, Glen, fuck yes. THANK YOU for repeating the same section of music on comparisons. Too much loud music and construction work makes it hard for me to hear when the sound switches at random times without repeating.
@SirLoinMagroin
Жыл бұрын
I watched your initial video on the 2022 V30. You are absolutely correct. There's a ton of difference both sonically and scientifically. Not to mention optically the dust caps are night and day. Celestion and Thomann are in denial. Shame on them. No matter how you slice it the 2022 V30's are the ticket. They just pop in the mix.
@jfl4649
Жыл бұрын
Yes.. Mega thx for the free plug in... I got a question?.. I use. : jbl eon 200 with 10" speaker as main.. It does sound weird.. So? Is it a bad idea ? 10"...jbl... Thx... U rock..
@valentino_vamos
Жыл бұрын
If the difference in sound is really the dustcap it would be great to test this out in a video. I saw the clear dust cap covers are for sale for just a few bucks. What happens if you replace the dustcap on the 2007 speaker for a clear one? Doest it really changes the sound?
@thepurplegar
Жыл бұрын
Glenn!!!! We can't all afford 12" cabs and the speakers to match. Can you do a shootout for the Celestion G10 line for metal. I can't find a metal shootout. I've been using your advice on my recordings with excellent results. Keep up the great work!
@alicejanecole2800
Жыл бұрын
Would "speaker brake in" have any effect? The 2022 would have less brake in than the others. I dont know but it may have a effect. Keep doing what you doing.
@TheWGLOVER
4 ай бұрын
All sounded fine to me. What are they like playing music as against chugg a chugg riffs?
@LifeDrain001
Ай бұрын
go to a different channel if you don’t want high gain guitar information
@certainlysomeone481
Жыл бұрын
Glenn, thank you so much for your research on this video and thanks for the IR. Probably 20 years ago I remember sitting with just an SM 57 in front of a 412 cabinet with headphones on making tiny movements of the mic, and the spectrum of sound changed drastically with every movement!! Knowing that it is impossible to place the mic at the exact precise place on each speaker, is it possible that the differences in readings stem purely from mic, placement, angles, or fractional differences in angles ? Great job with the video just a thought I wanted to throw in the fire.
@captaintony1227
Жыл бұрын
I worked in car audio for a few years in the mid 2000's and i was really into car and home audio before that. In my experience the ohm's ratings does make a difference in tone and changer with the size of the speaker as well so a 10" 16 ohm will sound different than a 10" with 4 or 8 ohms. As far as bass goes they get a tinny sound the higher the ohm.
@papablue3015
Жыл бұрын
👍 Agree! Glenn's Right!!! 100%: Glenn are rock crushers speakers any good? Thanks
@christopherdunn317
Жыл бұрын
I didn't even need to see the measurements at all ! to hear the difference ! but was proving a point was the issue of the graph thanks !
@GuvnaOnSpotify
Жыл бұрын
Great video. It did make me think though - it would be interesting to see how different two identical speakers from the same year would sound. How different are two speakers from the same batch? Is it just there are good and bad sounding speakers, and each are different? I've tested UK G12T75s, 1982 G12-65s and EVH's, and each speaker sounded different despite coming off the production line on the same day. Just a thought.
@ICKY427
Жыл бұрын
amazing how vastly different they all are. also speaking of the "free plugins" video, i grabbed the fluff amp sim and it's incredible! i turned 7 plugins that i used to use for guitar into one!
@ProbablyTooLoud
Жыл бұрын
I have Vintage 30’s with the opaque dust cap. They were factory loaded in a Marshall SV212. They were quickly replaced with greenbacks.
@BarefacedAudio
Жыл бұрын
Inspired by this, here’s a video explaining how guitar speakers make tone: kzitem.info/news/bejne/22Ou36mtkJaafKA (Hope it helps!)
@stainless641
Жыл бұрын
Really like when you do these comparisons and other sound experiments. Hearing and seeing is believing. Cheers. Maybe Celestion and Thomann are trying to discredit this because they both have a large warehouse full of those other speakers to sell?
@SpectreSoundStudios
Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much!
@hoboroadie4623
Жыл бұрын
Pretty much what first came to mind. ☝ Anyway it looks like they know that they are uttering nonsense.
@patricklow5652
Жыл бұрын
Probably not Celestion since they're putting out the updated new version. However, I'm almost certain that Thomann is sitting on a giant warehouse full of V30s with the old dust caps. Don't forget, Harley Benton are selling V30-loaded 212 cabinets for less than the price of two V30s. The only way they could make money from that cabinet would be if they had ordered a gazillion V30s from Celestion three years ago when they introduced it.
@annekedebruyn7797
Жыл бұрын
@@patricklow5652 As we don't have any other context than the comment, it clearly mentions that Thomann replied with an official statement from Celestion. So in that case, I doubt it's on Thomanns end. I don't think it's as big as a conspiracy as you are making it out to be. Just Thomann (and other stores) supplying what they received from factories.
@patricklow5652
Жыл бұрын
@@annekedebruyn7797 I consider a conspiracy as a cover-up of a villainous plot to deceive or enslave people, which I DON'T think Celestion and Thomann are guilt of. But you're right--I made it sound like they're two companies run by lizard-faced Illuminati members out to fleece guitar players. I don't. I'm big fans of both, especially Thomann. I love them for selling the V30-212 at a fraction of the big brands but let's face it, at such a low profit margin, they must have taken a giant risk and ordered such an unspeakable amount that Celestion sold V30s to them at a rock bottom price. Fast forward 3 or 4 years later and Celestion makes a minor update and our friend Glenn is the only one who finds out it makes a MASSIVE difference in sound. If Thomann is still sitting on a massive inventory of old V30s, what Glenn discovered could easily destroy their investment if the public found out. Celestion also cannot admit that the new V30s sound better because I believe they're obligated to protect their clients and dealers who still have old stock. Guitar gear manufacturers can't simply update their products without hurting their dealers and recent purchasers, which is why companies will only make improvements by releasing signature models and special editions. But now that I've had some time to think about this, I realised that Glenn's experiments only prove that the updated Celestions only significantly sound better for metal guitar. Thomann's statement about last generation V30s might still prove to be true for blues, country, jazz or any genre...unless they provoke Glenn enough for him to hire jazz and blues musicians to A-B test the speakers again.
@CanadianRockerGuy
Жыл бұрын
I have a set of 2015 V30's 16ohmers installed into a custom closed back 2 x 12 cab made out of 3/4 inch MDF wood and it was constructed essentially like a subwoofer cab, with no ports, for massive low end, excellent for chugging and riffing, I call it the earthquake and this little beast sounds better than any cab I've ever heard or played through in person, with every single one of my 20 amps, both combos, heads, and even lunchboxes, btw on your version sampler the 2015 and 2022's sounded best to me
@kyleritter3074
Жыл бұрын
2022 sounds pretty sick
@charleshoward448
Жыл бұрын
The 2022B sounds 1000 times better than the 2022 (yes, exactly 1000 times, I measured it)... JK. Awesome video Glenn, thanks for the analysis, visuals and the breakdown/demo with the EQ toward the end!
@Emily_M81
Жыл бұрын
I mean, it was super, super obvious that the speakers sounded completely different. Something changed or happened in some fashion, whether they want to admit it or not. It could be a supplier changed something while leaving the part number the same, so to Celestion it's "the same part we've used for years" I'm just going to stick to my controversy-free and glorious-sounding Redbacks :D I'm glad you mentioned 1KHz. The phone network focuses on this area, too, because human voice. So it'd make sense we'd hear the difference pretty readily. Nerding out to those EQ charts was a lot of fun!
@Nightingale1887
9 ай бұрын
I have a ton of speakers. Old new V30, T75s, 65s, GB, EV12s, Fane, Tayden, WGS, etc. The dust cap makes a huge difference. Old Fane speakers had metal dust caps. They are very very bright. The difference in the conus, the thickness of the paper, the edge doping, the winding of the coil, coil wire gauge, coil coating, conus material, glue, magnetic strength, gauss, magnet material. So many variables. But yeah they have always been the same. Bullshit. Every speaker even same model and year have a slightly different voice. Preference is a thing. In the past I used to really like the modern V30s but in the room and recorded are two different things. Sitting in a mix is another. It's just crazy how much variance you can achieve only in speakers. One of the reason I love 412s is the multitude of speakers working together and against each other doing some minor phase cancellation plus the cab shape, capacity adds resonance and standing waves. It's mind blowing.
@frankstetka7206
4 ай бұрын
Some people may not like this idea, however one can remove the opaque dust caps and A leave them off and pray crap stays out of the speaker or order a mesh cap for it. Now there is no guarantee that the differences in the motor could also make for the major differences in response. Yes 8 Vs 16 will change the response as well. Lower impedance often results in lower bass frequency response, which could be for better or worse depending upon the cabinet or use in multiples.
@satchrules101
10 ай бұрын
That riff was absolutely killer !!! Gold .
@matthewtorossi8909
Жыл бұрын
great video thanks for the info. id like to ask a crazy question, and i apologize if its been asked and answered, but can the dark dust cap be removed and replaced to sound as good as the preferred vintage 30? i fear i have just bought a chinese made 2003 v-39 that has the dark dust cap. thanks, matt
@RhiannonTyler
Жыл бұрын
Love the science and perspective that a speaker is a frequency filter. They probably don’t like the realization that you could probably copy the frequency curve digitally.
@bakelite-era705
Жыл бұрын
Really great video man. Thanks for making this!!!
@douglasdog1
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the IR, sounds awesome! Better than the ones I paid for! You inspired me to order a V30 to try again. Been awhile, wasn’t a big fan of the ones I had years ago, but this is the sound I’m after. Now to just wait and see what version arrives!! Put a G10 Vintage on the order as well to compare. I liked that speaker paired with a G10 greenback. Update: received the speaker and it is the new version with mesh dust cap and right out of the box sounds awesome. Sounds very similar to the IR. No ice pick. Very articulate, bright but not harsh, crunchy mids and tight lows. This is through a 1x12 cab, so those properties apply, but this speaker has been redeemed for me.
@bensan1990
Жыл бұрын
On last thursday, I ordered a V30 8ohms to pair it with a Greenback 8ohms as well, because there is a difference in the sound between the 16ohms. My 2x12 used to have Greenbacks 8ohms and I decided to sell them because I accidentally ordered V30s 16ohms for my 4x12 to experiment the mix of speakers, but when I got em, I was shocked that my Greenback 16ohms that I had in a 1x12, sounded better than the V30s, so I never paid attention if the cap is the black one or transparent... aside of that, I did recorded the Greenbacks 8ohms before, I really liked the sound, ao when I recorded the 16ohms, I did find a little lack of mids and it was more clearer, more high end and I had to EQ my guitar in a point that almost had to dial the High in my 6505+ at 5 and take the prescence at noon. I will wait until my 8ohms Greebback arrive to see the difference and install it in my 2x12 with the V30 8ohms and hear the difference, but I have IRs of my 16ohms, there will be a way to get the difference and listen it carefully, but I have to check on the 16ohms V30 because I bought them in 2019 I think or in 2020, so I have to see the cap if there is that to state that is the reason I feel my V30 sounding not so great for my expectations.
@frankyank2843
Жыл бұрын
They probably lied for market purposes, someone at celestion figured leave it where it's at. Those new V30's have a great clear mid punch that sits it right in the legible zone. I hear it best in the mix. Thanks for the vid, Glenn, lotta work doin these comparisons, and it's appreciated!
@heresjonny666
Жыл бұрын
I'm concerned the results could be from the mic position. Millimetres can make a significant difference in that. Is it worth trying to make some kind of cabinet that just houses 1 speaker, can click a speaker in and out, and also has a stationary, attached housing to put a microphone into and then leave it? Then you can completely rule out the possibility of the mic position interfering.
@metalgear74
Жыл бұрын
These slight differences, even from speakers of the same model and year, are one reason you get those "special" 412 cabs now and then that just sound fuller than another of the same brand and year. Because when you put four speakers together that really fill-in each other's gaps and/or reinforce one another's strengths it can be magic.
@robwoodring9437
Жыл бұрын
My gut feeling as to why ppl say different impedance speakers sound different is it might not be possible to wind an 8ohm voice coil to have the same mass as a 16ohm. Change the mass of any moving part of a speaker motor & you will change its behavior. Looking forward to that test Glenn!
@vorpalblades
Жыл бұрын
The efficiency difference between the impedance causes the change.
@robwoodring9437
Жыл бұрын
@@vorpalblades I doubt that. The speaker would be fed by a matched output transformer winding, so there's no efficiency difference. Only way to have a mis-match is if you hook it up incorrectly.
@vorpalblades
Жыл бұрын
@@robwoodring9437 there us an efficiency difference between 16 ohm and 8 ohm. That's exactly what impedance measures, resistance or efficiency of the circuit.
@robwoodring9437
Жыл бұрын
@@vorpalblades the word you're looking for is sensitivity. It's the spec of a given speaker measured in dB. And unless two models are different by more than 6dB it's too small to count. There will never be a difference in efficiency (how many watts are sent to the speaker) unless you feed a 16ohm from the 4ohm tap. Hook it up correctly, and a 50W amp will give 50W no matter which speaker you use.
@roberteismann1929
Жыл бұрын
On a older Marshall type, like JCM 800, Superlead, JMP Mk2 and so on, the 8 Ohm will sound and feel tighter, stiffer, than the 16 Ohm as the impedance selector is tied in with the poweramp's negative feedback circuitry. The lower the impedance the more negaitve feedback goes back into the poweramp, making it sound and feel tighter/stiffer. Not sure how other amps work. This is also the main reason why Marshall2x12s are usually 8 Ohm and 4x12s are 16 Ohm. A 4x12 can handle a looser and bassier poweramp section easier than a 2x12.
@wojciech_migda
11 ай бұрын
One thing that I am curious about - is it possible, that the age of the speaker and it's "working" hours and load did contribute to the sound?
@larsge
Жыл бұрын
You should try cutting off the dustcap on the 2006 version and see if it makes a difference
@AMSOfficial79
Жыл бұрын
You said something in this one that made me respect the hell out of you. Cheers, Glenn. Looking forward to more vids.
@RedlineTougeJapan
Жыл бұрын
I was literally searching for a free IR yesterday, thanks Glenn this is also very informative, Learning alot from your channel
@andrewspade7969
Жыл бұрын
I have always hated the nasal fizz of the V30, but after hearing your new one's I'm considering buying some new ones. Seeing your 2006 one's sound bad, you could try cutting the dust cap out of one to see if it changes the tone.
@threepe0
6 ай бұрын
Only thing I take issue with is the random leap that “clear dustcap” has anything to do with anything. It’s something that you noticed on the small handful of speakers you experimented with. They’ve switched to and from translucent caps between multiple batches if Im not mistaken. There’s a great video doing a much more scientific comparison of a pretty impressive hoarde of V30 speakers from over the years. I think Fricker made a leap and sold a ton of Chinese V30 speakers at the end of the day. Batches vary due to manufacturing tolerances, and Im sure we’ll see them swing back the other way at some point
@thisdyingsoul76
3 ай бұрын
The fact they referenced your video without naming it or your name in their statement that "nothing has changed" and called it misinformed, dismissing the footage thay shows a distinct and measured difference, stinks of "they're backed into a corner and have no defense, so they chose to try and discredit instead" 😂
@frankthetank6666
Жыл бұрын
It would have been cool if you included the 2000-2003 V30 version in this video
@JohnDoe-rj8nd
Жыл бұрын
Damn, all this time I never knew you worked on Woods 1, I love that album! Just checked the album booklet, sure enough "Recorded at Spectre Sound, August 2002".
@Ryan_Messenger
Жыл бұрын
The new V30s sound like my old oversized Mesa 4x12 I still regret selling. For years I was confused as to why I didn't like v30s in other cabs I tried since then. I'd say you're on to something with your original assessment. Curious to see how these 2022 v30s compare to the DV-77 speakers.
@MaximusAdonicus
Жыл бұрын
I dunno why some people rave about the DV77, 'cos based on the IR's I have heard they are unimpressive, fizzy and thin 😬 The new V30's featured in Glen's videos are the opposite of that: balls to the wall METHUL!! 🤘🤘
@cjc8497
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the IR. Sounds EPIC!!!
@BinFrost
Жыл бұрын
Glenn, is a V30 manufactured in November 2021 already from this new model with this 2022 update? I looked at it physically and it has the DUST CAP on a half transparent screen and you can see the coil. What do you say?
@TokiWardguitar
Жыл бұрын
GLEEEENNNNNN! Great video and I love the way you always follow the science and not your wallet. Also as much as I've been enjoying your improved guitar playing and shredding Priest it was great to see other musicians on here playing some original riffs.
@christophorhill2320
Жыл бұрын
GLENN! DUDE! Thank you so much for your offering of the free V30 Impulse Responses! Full disclosure, I'm not really much of a metal guy any more, but I've been playing professionally for well over 25 years. I watch your videos because you know your shit, and I learn good stuff I can use. To that end, I loaded both of your IRs into my Atomic Amplifire 6, and I gotta say, it might be my favorite IR. There's more clarity and punch, regardless of which amp or amp mode model I use, or how much gain is going through it. Great work, sir, and thanks again! Thou dost rock!
@corecreekproductions6533
Жыл бұрын
I bought a new 2x12 from Thomann in May 2022 and another one in July 2022. I haven’t A/B’ed them so I can’t say anything to the sound differences but the newer one definitely has clear caps and the older ones are opaque, so I definitely see the same visual differences between the older ones and the newer ones that you did.
@VVVY777
Жыл бұрын
The retailers just making sure they can sell all their old stock. Thanks for this kind of service and value you provide, Glenn.
@mkdawson1908
Жыл бұрын
Glennnnnnnnnnnn!!! I've been watching your old and newer videos on speakers, cabinets and mic'ing them up. One thing that struck me was the varience in tone between speakers of the same model, in the same cab, mic'd up the same way. I liked speaker 3 in your oversized Mesa cab, but speaker 4 did nothing for me at all :( How can we get a "good" one without buying 4 of the same cab and testing each speaker with the same mic and placement to get the best speaker out of the 16? Are there some speaker models and manuafacturers you find are more consistent, from speaker to speaker? What about the mic, itself? I've observed some pretty drastic differences from on 57 or 58 to the next (probably mostly due to abuse - admittedly). If taken care of in a studio environment, is there much variation to the common models of mics you've used? Just trying to figure out of it's "buy one and done" or if I should shoot out three or four mics and return all but the best. Thanks, man - you rawk!!
@Pentode3000
Жыл бұрын
Good stuff, next step may-be bring in a speaker guy and change dust caps, try out coatings of the membrane, add magnet rings to the original magnet etc. etc. etc. or you could find someone who does a professional klippel analysis of the different models.
@Rafaelluques
Жыл бұрын
Extremely well made video with ABSURD quality, However, comparing 8 and 16 ohm speakers as if they were the same thing is like comparing a tiger and a kitten. the way the speaker will react to impedance is totally different. I have an Orange combo with 16 owns V30 and a 1x12 orange box also with 8 owns V30. and the difference between them is brutal even in the same amp (my amp has an external cable output at 16 and 8) to test it in a real way you should test the 8 owhn speakers with twice the power of the ones you test the 16 owhns! I did this test using a Thunderverb 200 with an attenuator and the timbre is very close. Congrats on the video and I love your videos. Congratulations directly from Brazil
@eamonahern7495
Жыл бұрын
You're too good at making things sound good because if I was in a band I'd be pretty happy with all of those speaker sounds. There is one that doesn't have enough mid for me but I forget which one. Maybe I'd tweak that if I was in a band you were recording with but most likely not if I had nothing else to compare it to.
@rollingstart_90s
3 ай бұрын
In april of 2014, I bought a Harley Benton, Vintage 30 loaded 2x12 cab from Thomann. I've used it with my ENGL Ironball, which is a bit "darker" amp, yet I've grown tired of not being able to get a more warm, thicker distortion out if it. I've come to the realisation, that MAYBE I am using the wrong speakers for my taste. Maybe try Greenbacks or Creambacks, maybe? The thing that amazes me, is that unlike the current version of the same Harley Benton cabinet, my old 2014 version can not be opened! I just realised this a while ago. However, the current version does open from the back, like a any normal cab does. I'm not necessarily doubting Thomann and their inhouse brand Harley Benton, but there is no way for me to check, if the speakers inside the cab are actually the ones advertised: Celestion Vintage 30's.
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