I have a resin Acheron I use despite the poor rules. Rule of cool > meta imo
@neilkirkley1500
11 ай бұрын
All the this ∆ , I couldn't give a monkey's if it's rules aren't as good as any of the other knights, it's got a fucking massive flamer and a knight sized chainfist, and it looks rad as fuck, sold.
@cousinzeke4888
11 ай бұрын
The correct way to play.
@jerseyse410
11 ай бұрын
I'm pre-ordering both to add to my Chaos Knights and I don't care if the rules aren't all that great, I'm going to chaosify the crap out of it and enjoy it anyways
@merengueatang4
11 ай бұрын
The castigator looks super cool, I kinda want one.
@PeteOfDarkness
11 ай бұрын
Just be prepared for what 90% scale modelers complain - half of parts are make parts that you probably want to glue (in case of tanks it's treads, in Knights it's ammo belt/fuel pipe).
@CustodialNinja
11 ай бұрын
The Knight range is perhaps the coolest out of any army in 40k... and the GW rules team is hell bent of keeping anyone from using most of it in play.
@christopherrutterford5829
11 ай бұрын
Don't forget certain vocal members of the community determined to ban or remove them from the game. Cause wa wa I can't auto win against them. Or wa wa my cheap unit can't auto wipe them in melee anymore
@nischal711
11 ай бұрын
@@christopherrutterford5829who is this certain member
@CustodialNinja
11 ай бұрын
The first month of 10th there was such a wave of fearmongering and complaints. And yeah, Knights did well... but were still only in the same zone as Custodes. The only change they really needed was the towering update for quality of play/fun considerations. In terms of competitive matchups Knights are beatable on points even if you can't bring down the big ones, a situation that fits the fantasy for most factions. One player gets stompy robots of incredible power, striding across the battlefield with bad intentions. The other gets to find victory through mission play or epic explosions, despite facing these behemoths of steel. What's really the problem here?
@WilhelmScreamer
11 ай бұрын
It would be bad for the game if Knights were the strongest way to play. A full force of Knights cheats the game hard.
@XAVR_
11 ай бұрын
@@WilhelmScreamer"A full force of knights cheats the game hard" L take. Skill issue.
@CruentusMessor
11 ай бұрын
Remember what GW did to the rest of the Horus Heresy range
@tinkertoiler744
11 ай бұрын
Do tell
@inescarroll2364
11 ай бұрын
Made legends immediately @@tinkertoiler744
@BloodyArchangelus
11 ай бұрын
Betrayed.
@jonnybarba119
11 ай бұрын
To be fair they specifically said that knights and custodies models were safe, which is understandable since they have around 5 models between them.
@RSBurgener
11 ай бұрын
"Fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush
@steweygrrr
11 ай бұрын
Getting that Castigator, I don't care how good it is. It shall become my 40k version of Guts.
@BloodyArchangelus
11 ай бұрын
Seth?
@steweygrrr
11 ай бұрын
@@BloodyArchangelus Seth is Space Jason Statham to me. The Castigator however has the sword and rapid fire gun arm and is designed to break a great many faces at once.
@jeffreywelch9360
11 ай бұрын
I can’t wait to play it with my new Lancer.
@Sorrowshard
3 ай бұрын
Looking at the 30k entries. There's no point taking either really. The Lancer is just better. (Why does the Archie cost more ? Why!? ) both of them seem to have had their ranged options pre-nerfed. The castigator gun is kinda lame , 3+ saves laugh at it. Tanks barely tickled. It's better than that useless flamer cannon though (still find it laughable the flamer templates only ever do a single hit on vehicles ... except when overwatching where they inexplicably work more realistically) the castigator spray and pray is going to give more hits more of the time than the flamer , it's going to kill more stuff more of the time in cc (the archie does edge it out vs vehicles with the armourbane) I don't see why you'd take either of these over the lancer basically ever. It's actually kinda baffling how poorly the three are balanced with each other. Seemingly everything that should be ap3 has recieved a preemptive nerf bat. Castigator should get less shots and rending, flamer = ap3 and the lancer shock needs dialling down and it's sheild improving (consistent with AT and LI) They need to revise these rules, no one is ever taking an Acheron. Mostly you're only going to fit one in and it's always going to be the lancer isn't it.
@richarddixon1450
11 ай бұрын
Why didnt GW just change titanic overwatch to 2 CP ?! So stupid to walk out in front of a giant knight and knowing fine well youll be ok. So stupid. The threat should still be there.
@BloodyArchangelus
11 ай бұрын
They want to sell YOU THE CODEX OF knights xD
@jeffreywelch9360
11 ай бұрын
I think overwatch need to just go back to on the charge.
@richarddixon1450
11 ай бұрын
@jeffreywelch9360 respectfully disagree. I little move agency in your opponents turn is great. One of 40ks biggest issues is the fact at an entire army can act before the other does. With impunity. Least one overwatch gives them something to think about. 10th edition has been good for having more interactions in your opponents turn. I dont like them removing some of it. Goes against what they intended when they designed this rule set.
@EvilBob907
11 ай бұрын
I’ll be pre-ordering the Castigator tomorrow
@BloodyArchangelus
11 ай бұрын
I want to buy proper armored core model and field it like small titan or a knight. Would be fun to watch. After ac 6 here are even warp weapons xd
@Saltism1
11 ай бұрын
I use the Castigator in my CK army with 6 brigands and 4 Karnivores
@Saltism1
11 ай бұрын
Just played against GK and won 83-81. Castigator giving sustatined hits out is really good, and when taking up some brigands up the centre giving 3-4 Brigands sustained hits each turn until the big knight is dead is worth it. It can also do a fair bit of damage in melee.
@gkiyo
11 ай бұрын
Definitely a "fool me twice, shame on me" situation if you're buying one of these for 40k
@merengueatang4
11 ай бұрын
Is it though? If they weren't being continued for long, they wouldn't have kept them in the game from the first purge. Likewise with the custodes models, which also prove that it's probably not to just drive sales, as fw custodes seem very unlikely to be updated to plastic anytime soon, and they would've been discontinued along with the rest if keeping knights around was just to move stock.
@AlunDowdeswell
11 ай бұрын
surely the change to plastic, and THEN moving it to legends (like the leviathan, kratos, contemptor etc) proves sales is EXACTLY all they're interested in. If they did it in the last purge, they'll miss all the money people will spend on these plastic kits, only for that money to be wasted because they'll move it to legends & HH only. Despicable company honestly@@merengueatang4
@facemite
11 ай бұрын
@@merengueatang4multiple KZitemrs already did videos talking about how gw confirmed that the lancer is going into legends why wouldn't these knights as well
@chrisyoung5499
11 ай бұрын
Can you link any of these KZitem channels? @@facemite
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
@@facemitesince they already have separate HH and 40k boxes for the Questoris and Armiger kits, why would these be any different? We can likely expect a 40k rerelease for these when the new codex comes out.
@jumpstrart7
11 ай бұрын
Big gun go BRRR!
@user-co6wc8di5l
11 ай бұрын
The points per dollar for the Acheron is pretty woeful unfortunately. At 445 points you're only getting about 2.2 points per dollar if it is $200. For reference an Assault terminator squad box gives you 5 terminators for 190 points, which is around 3.3 points per dollar.
@TheXasTube
11 ай бұрын
Pyrovore...
@sephrus7784
11 ай бұрын
The acheron needs a rule change to be worthwhile but God damn it looks so bad a$$. I would like to see it get 1 free overwatch and then ignore the titanic rule for overwatch.
@Dave-ds3vo
11 ай бұрын
Thinking it's a lancer for me!
@danielbob2628
11 ай бұрын
Hey Auspex, is there any legal way to give Precision to a Titan?
@henrycarpmael9298
11 ай бұрын
If they are characters you can target them with the epic challenge strat, though that is just melee
@danielbob2628
11 ай бұрын
@@henrycarpmael9298 Wait, can't Titans fire their ranged weapons in melee? Does this count for that?
@henrycarpmael9298
11 ай бұрын
No, just their melee weapons I believe
@danielbob2628
11 ай бұрын
@@henrycarpmael9298 Ah darn. I liked the idea of a Titan exclusively outfitted for single-target damage firing exclusively at one character per turn.
@wa1ach
11 ай бұрын
Isn't the bondsman ability restriction only applies to Questoris models?
@marcarthur100
11 ай бұрын
two be onist i amsaprized tey are not both lock two hh only like alot of hh modals are now ]
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
You might want to go get checked for a stroke.
@BECAUSEBAZ
11 ай бұрын
I dont think they come close to the lancer.
@19Crusader91
11 ай бұрын
Its a real shame they cant be used in 40k.
@Bluegender88
11 ай бұрын
They can be used in 40k.
@petermccall1185
11 ай бұрын
@@Bluegender88give it time
@19Crusader91
11 ай бұрын
@@Bluegender88 Yea.. noticed. But its... weird. Because these were announced as HH models. But now they will be offically in the 40k codex as well?
@Bluegender88
11 ай бұрын
@19Crusader91 Rules are currently in the forgeworld section but with plastic models coming we will most like see them in the new knights codex.
@lassemelson5668
11 ай бұрын
I mean ure not wrong they r not viable yet
@TheRetardMen.
11 ай бұрын
I really hope they don’t make them legends like what they did to the leviathan dreadnought
@lachlankren4231
8 ай бұрын
These two vs the lancer?
@milliman4
10 ай бұрын
Ok now I want one
@Mittens_Gaming
11 ай бұрын
It seems like the flame cannon should be 3d6+3 or 4d6, not just 2d6. Or it should cost about 300 points. Its main gun kind of sucks.
@feliorserapheel6539
11 ай бұрын
Amazing analysis. I would have missed some things and not know quite a few others. Thanks And also: Comments for the Comment God
@Mr_Waffle.
11 ай бұрын
People mistakenly think that GW have bad broken unbalanced rules to sell more models, which is proven false yet again by these giant expensive monsters that are totally not worth the money gameplay wise. GW management is chaotically evil greedy, not lawful evil greedy
@leestride2285
11 ай бұрын
Element games have got throught their initial amount and are not expecting a restock until February which is madness.
@PeteOfDarkness
11 ай бұрын
Ok, is it me or Castigator Sword (and to lesser extent Lancer's shield) remind me of OG snow Bionicle (Kopaka)? Anyway I feel like Castigator may be best out of three, but we all wait for Atropos.
@matjov
11 ай бұрын
So unimaginative to give their melee weapons the same profile as the standard ones.
@mikepopay328
11 ай бұрын
From a 40k standpoint - is there much point in buying one of these with them likely to go to Legends by next ed at the latest? :(
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
Why would you say that? The current 40k Questoris and Armiger kits have HH branded kits to. We are just likely to see this kit return in a 40k branded box when the new codex drops.
@khornebread4802
11 ай бұрын
Knights eatin' good this edition.
@lynx-alpha2073
11 ай бұрын
in terms of rules we are being beaten into the ground
@violetsareblueFG42
11 ай бұрын
annoying thing is, even though theyre made for heresy, knights are basically useless in heresy as they get easily bodied by most dreadnoughts one on one despite being twice the size.
@thelegendsmith3063
11 ай бұрын
Crazy thing is they got a point increase armigerd are went up to 150 big knigjts went up 10 points except canis who went down 30
@icklemoo
11 ай бұрын
My concern with these knights is simply they are package boxed in Horus heresy artwork / branding. Much like the dreads / tanks I just don’t trust GW at not dropping these cerastus knights from 40K once the codex comes out. Plus the rules are utter shite on the flamer version / las cutter. Seriously 2d6 and -1 ap 😂. They are trolling players for fun clearly . Thing needs at least d6 + 6 and damage should be twinlinked at least give it some rerolls or give something like + 1 ap at half range . To think in 9th edition it was str 7 / -2 ap snd 3 damage 😂
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
If you look at the Questoris and Armiger kits, they have separate HH and 40k branded boxes. The only difference is the decal sheet. You can probably expect 40k branded Cerastus kits when the next codex drops.
@icklemoo
11 ай бұрын
@@jasonpeacock9735 fingers crossed they don’t pull a dirty move then
@Tambor888
11 ай бұрын
Not getting either of them.. they'll probably remove them from 40k once they've sold enough, same thing they did with the contemptor and leviathan dreads (and everything else HH).
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
Have they removed the Questoris and Armiger kits from 40k yet?
@Tambor888
11 ай бұрын
Those don't come specifically branded for horus heresy. Look at the box@@jasonpeacock9735
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
@@Tambor888I did. The specifically HH branded boxes for both the Armiger and Questoris kits GW sells on their website. So, are they going to Legends too? Or, realistically, can we expect 40k branded Cerastus boxes when the next Knight codex drops?
@timothyharnedy4495
11 ай бұрын
I'd be tempted by the Castigator regardless of the rules. A sword longer than a Rhino? Yes, please!
@Mittens_Gaming
11 ай бұрын
The sword just looks so cool, as does the bolter!
@ca11rl77
11 ай бұрын
2 separate models is too much for me right now. And there is the possibility "oh these are HH only now" still looming like the rest of the plastic HH
@asenaruu8361
11 ай бұрын
can these be used in new 40k or only in HH?
@hrvojegrgic-akovic5552
11 ай бұрын
Beware HH kits in 40k unless you play both. After what they did to legend the new HH range, and the stuff that will be legended, like relic terminators, I'd never buy a HH box no matter how good the rules, unless I was going into that system or wanted a painting project
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
That’s going to be a bad omen for people since the Questoris and Armiger Knights have HH boxes. Those going to Legends too?
@hrvojegrgic-akovic5552
11 ай бұрын
@@jasonpeacock9735 no idea, but im certainly not taking chances
@Mr_Waffle.
11 ай бұрын
@@jasonpeacock9735 Those are Available to Order off the GW website, they are not normal commercial products like this one. They could be removed at any time from HH, plenty of available to order kits have been killed off in the past year.
@Spycrab699
11 ай бұрын
@jasonpeacock9735 the armiger models are exactly the same only difference is the transfer sheet and the questoris knight is the same I think just a different transfer sheet
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
@@Spycrab699 that’s the point. When the next 40k Knights codex is released, we’re likely to see the Cerastus models released in 40k branded boxes with 40k relevant transfers.
@dote9079
11 ай бұрын
I wish the castigator's sword was bigger, it looks way too small to me at the moment, especially as it cant touch the ground really
@DamienJones77
11 ай бұрын
I guess it's more like a short sword, like a gladius, or even just a dagger. It'd be quite cool if it were reversible, as in, held the opposite way around and looks like a preying mantis' talon!
@namewastaken360
5 ай бұрын
I think it's supposed to project an energy blade, that's why it has holes like the Lancer's shield.
@Pers0n97
11 ай бұрын
2D6 attacks of D2 on a giant flamer that's meant to be the whole point of that knight... Wtf is GW thinking?!
@morgymomo8535
11 ай бұрын
believe it is 400nzd... thats 200 pounds... we play an extra 80 pound because of shipping in new Zealand...
@realli4021
11 ай бұрын
I would like to know which IK allied to Dark Angels is better?
@noneofyourbusiness4133
11 ай бұрын
This so why removing templates has sucked >:(
@constrainedanacronysm1370
11 ай бұрын
Its very irritating and anti-consumer that all of the variants are available in a single kit like the normal Questoris Knight kit. But you can't have people have one they can just magnetize the loadouts of because they want more moneyyyy.
@Wineblood
11 ай бұрын
It's a shame the Acheron seems to be framed as an anti infantry unit but the Castigator does a better job. Bumping the attacks to 3D6 sounds fair, but maybe giving it something like anti-infantry.
@bigboybastard7162
8 ай бұрын
Either that, or give the chain fist anti vehicle. Im surprised he didnt mention that considering every other chainfist has it. Yeah, with strength 14 it doesnt need it really, but it would still be nice for something a little extra
@Damnedlegion40k
11 ай бұрын
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@bombastic1721
11 ай бұрын
Very informative video as always, will you be covering the Cerastus Knight Atrapos for 10th edition? I dont think it will be getting a plastic kit anytime soon
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
It’s going to be interesting to see how long it takes them to release a resin conversion kit for the Atropos on the new plastic frames.
@bombastic1721
11 ай бұрын
@@jasonpeacock9735 Honestly I wouldn't even complain, I like the mechanicum knights and I would be fine with just resin up grades combines with the plastic frame
@pepegon-zals7606
11 ай бұрын
It’s such a shame. I love the look of the Acheron, it fits so well with Chaos Knights lore wise and would be a fun conversion but it’s just not good lol. But also who cares, it’s cool
@timzuber6682
11 ай бұрын
Big knight with a flamer that can’t overwatch…yeah nah At least GW changed that rule before people went and purchased one. Bet that they regret that!
@WampaStompas
11 ай бұрын
I just built/painted a warden right before then announced this was coming to plastic. As much as I love the model I can’t justify two that have almost the same points costs and perform the same role of anti infantry 😢
@11AleZZ
11 ай бұрын
Both are meehh compared to Wardogs or Helverins
@MrHoneuma
11 ай бұрын
Acheron feels doa frankly after the rules updates. It could've at least still been worth it for Chaos if you could use A Long Leash, but it specifies an Abhorrent Knight. It's overcosted, it's shooting was gutted by the changes, especially the Overwatch one, and other Knights are better at melee. The only thing it does really is the battle shock test, and that's frankly not good enough. I can't personally see a scenario where I'd take that over the Desecrator or the Lancer. -1 to hit in and enemy unit and sustained hits, or giving Brigands assault, free Tank Shock on the Lancer, and devastating melee hitting on 2s from the lancer as well.
@Dirt1061
11 ай бұрын
Did someone say bolter? Yes please! Oh it spins you say? Wait you slapped two of them together?!? They will be dead before you can use the pointy stick!
@theomen49
11 ай бұрын
I tried the chaos castigator for a few games, i think that the desecrator is a better pick overall. You can always use the sustained hits strats but you'll get re-roll 1's which i rate higher than sustained hits personally.
@stupidlizard3467
11 ай бұрын
Or you could run both and have the strongest Brigands known to man
@gregoryshinn9805
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video
@AfroChef
11 ай бұрын
Ive used my Acheron since 9th ed and I have to say I miss the damage 3 in 10th, and losing overwatch really makes me feel like hes too points expensive.
@traviscumbest3946
11 ай бұрын
Ill bet with the knights codex gets lock to horus heresy
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, no
@traviscumbest3946
11 ай бұрын
@@jasonpeacock9735 your right its not like gw hasn't done that with every other faction
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
@@traviscumbest3946the same GW that has HH and 40k branded boxes for the current Questoris and Armiger kits?
@mikedelta5861
11 ай бұрын
To bad orks can’t use looted vehicles anymore…
@facemite
11 ай бұрын
They already confirmed that they plan to put anything labled 30k into legends so anybody thinking of buying this for 40k think again most game stores don't even allow legends
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
Have you notice that Questoris and Armigers kits have separate packaging for HH and 40k? This kit isn’t going to Legends. At worst, you can expect a rerelease of the kit with 40k appropriate decals later.
@xxmatrixmasterxx9903
11 ай бұрын
Can someone explain to me why Chaos buffs are just worse than the imperial knight buffs? Like why does Chaos Castigator aura not give -1 AP? Why does chaos Archeron aura not give -1 to the battleshock test? Am I missing something here?
@carloago8305
11 ай бұрын
Because chaos uses auras, so all war dogs gets the bonus. Imperials only applies their rules on a single armiger.
@ReadThisIfYourG3y
11 ай бұрын
Ap 3? Laughs in AP 5 daemon breath spear
@equos5060
11 ай бұрын
I wanted to buy one of each. Then I remembered what they did to other Heresy models with 40k rules. Not this time.
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
Have you noticed that Knights have HH and 40k kits already? At worst, you can expect them to rerelease this kit when the 40k codex comes out with 40k appropriate decals.
@Mr_Waffle.
11 ай бұрын
Yep, far too risky when they're literally marketed and packaged as HH models, with HH transfer sheets inside that have no connection to 40k. The instructions are even the same black and white low quality that HH get instead of colourful 40k ones. Only a matter of time for them to hit Legends
@Graavigala85
11 ай бұрын
Castigator, looks better, has better head, cooler shoulders and more kick ass weapons. Sure they might not be as good statwise but rule of cool trumps all
@AlunDowdeswell
11 ай бұрын
the true question is how long before they're both in legends......
@jasonpeacock9735
11 ай бұрын
Why would they?
@AlunDowdeswell
11 ай бұрын
good question, they did for the leviathan, decimator, contemptor, kratos, brass scorpion among others......they claim balance and bloat, but why do space marines have 3 different storm speeder variants? But decimators are too much to ask?@@jasonpeacock9735
@l.l1024
11 ай бұрын
Printed Both for 17€ each, LOL
@IRCannonFodder
11 ай бұрын
Castigator feels more well rounded, and the Acheron more situational. I am still a casual, but feels like Acheron could be replaced with most any other of the bigger knights.
@RedCometNurse
11 ай бұрын
I won't be buying one until I see their rules inside the codex.
@BowlofColdSoup
11 ай бұрын
I love reading the amount of salty space marine players that keep saying "They will only be playable in 30k, not 40k" The reason the Contemptor and Leviathan got placed into Legends, even though they got a plastic model, wasn't because "GW wants to trick us into buying things they inevitably move into legends" No, not completely correct. They just dislike firstborns. And since those models were both firstborn dreadnoughts, they got removed. Like a lot of other firstborn space marine models and soon, others, judging by the new codex "captains" change.
@ChrisPrice12
11 ай бұрын
They were almost the most bought recast/printed models from what I hear. GW just noticed there were far more contemptors showing up than they actually sold.
@dudemcfurgusson7179
11 ай бұрын
It's not that they hate firstborn, it's that the entire space marines line is being held hostage by 30 year old kits, some of which haven't been in print for ages. You might be salty about losing your toys, but some space marine subfactions (space wolves) have more unique datasheets alone than some entire armies. The bloat must be checked.
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