Cgc slabs are just crystal clear and the cards look amazing. Psa is just too inconsistent with the grades. I feel like cgc 10 is a cgc10 which I love
@orionsires
3 күн бұрын
Totally understand great slabs for sure and they grade pretty hard for the most part. Maybe it can grow to be a big contender to psa who knows ? 😎
@Churmander
19 күн бұрын
i just got a CGC return about 40% came back Prestine 10 i have graded over 4000 cards with CGC PSA still more expensive to grade with PSA and CGC are pretty strict with WOTC. What I do is send to CGC to hopefully get Prestine 10 and if it doesn’t hit prestine I crack and send to PSA to hopefully get PSA 10 double grading can be costly but grading is also still subjective because resubmitting cards can often get you different grades For my own collection I like CGC for flipping and reselling people want PSA
@orionsires
18 күн бұрын
Well said and thanks for chiming in on the topic 😎🙏🏼
@8bitflea
Жыл бұрын
I do agree that the PSA slabs feel cheap AF and they charge way too much.
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
Right? I know I’m not the only one? Albeit I still want my cards to mainly be PSA but that could very well change with CGC’s new style. I personally love it. Great comment 😎🙏🏼
@Churmander
10 ай бұрын
you mentioned CGCs quality of slab several times, but that hasn’t changed, only the label has. CGC still has and uses the same slab encapsulation as years before. the main change was the grading scale and label, the kicker is that CGC right now is currently significantly cheaper than PSA which is a big incentive
@orionsires
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree with you! Although harder to sell CGC slabs so far in my experience I think I got lucky selling mail mine but didn’t really turn any serious profits aside from maybe 2-3 10’s but my 9’s lost me money so it evened out. 😂
@Churmander
10 ай бұрын
Ive done about 2000 PSA pokemon card slabs and 4000+ CGC graded, it's hard to say with CGC's changes. but yes PSA has always hold the majority of the market, the question is if CGC regular 10s will go for less than PSA 10, and if CGC's prestine 10s will go for more than PSA 10s, Right now i'm choosing the prestine CGC 10s over PSA 10s..just cuz they look so fancy and pop.. @@orionsires
@JediMasterT
Жыл бұрын
PSA slabs are only "good looking" because 70% of the market uses them, and they've been in the market the longest. The "golden standard" if you will. I think the market trend is slowly going to take a lot of business from PSA. I bought a CGC pristine 10 just to cross it over to the new label cause it is absolutely dope.
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
I gotta emit the pristine 10’s look EPIC 😎 great comment everyone has different opinions and that’s ok here!
@whosuriel
Жыл бұрын
Psa ALWAYS. If you’re trying to invest you need to pick the option you think will retain and maximize value. In a competitive marketplace you need every advantage you can get. Especially since tcg’s are luxury items.
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
This is a great comment it looks like I’m seeing a big number of folks liking PSA over CGC but definitely something to think about. The newer generation might also not care so much about value but more so saving $$ sometimes the cheaper option is what they’ll do especially luxury items. BUT I’m sure many agree. I still love PSA so I never thought anything would compete but CGC truly surprised me with the new design currently. I personally can’t wait to get my lot from CGC! I honestly am more excited for CGC right now haha
@kzrr
6 ай бұрын
@@orionsires I mean, I am someone new. I don't have any predispositions to any specific company, I wasn't here to become complacent with PSA like a lot of the old guard has. I've seen so many videos of people handling PSA 10s where the topic had nothing to do with card quality, and the absolute state of some of them is abysmal. Scuffs/dings/whitening -- it's just completely ridiculous to me. I've even read a comment from a guy where he's asking his vendors to confirm card quality before he purchases a PSA 10 from them which is completely hilarious. It feels like PSAs are a compelte bubble, and a very dangerous way of investing. I'm sat here amassing a collection of CGC 10s which are completely and utterly stunning - I don't even think I've ever even pulled a card worthy of the title, yet many of my own cards I'd consider PSA 10 material. It's just completely bizarre, becuse as a newcomer, I'd have thought the pricing would be the other way around. I'm ridiculously bullish on CGC and I'm not even aquiring these slabs as any form of investment; I just like what they do, and PSA does everything worse as far as I see? I think if these PSA people want to invest, they should get the hell out of PSA. CGC's slab prices are astronomical compared to their marketshare, and it doesn't take a huge deamnd increase for these things to matchup to, or even surpass PSA. That by itself should be a terrifying prospect to anybody who has their money held in these PSA slabs because it breaks absolutely everybodies reason for even wanting PSA to begin with; $$$$$. PSA's slabs demand a premium because they demand a premium -- so what happens when they don't? Not an issue I'll ever have to worry about, I'm just enjoying the cards I can grab at a bargain while I still can lmao
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
What grading company do you use most and why?
@the-pokeman7534
10 ай бұрын
im done with psa they have under graded me soooo much past year and have cost me soooo much money idk whats going on but they better fix it know alot of people going with cgc instead....i think it is better to get the feel of what company works best for you its nice definitely have to send to multiple companys depending on condition of the cards psa is hard on edges but not has hard on centering and bgs is super hard on centering just depends on the card i have a mix of all 3
@orionsires
10 ай бұрын
I honestly love all 3 but they all have issues as well. So far so good buying psa slabs. I did have a 9 with a dent in the middle but I’m seeing that is more common these days for cards to have imperfections unless they are 10’s. They definitely gatekeep 10’s for vintage but not for modern. Depends what you sub also. Cheaper stuff I’m sure they’ll 10 you on. Pricey vintage cards not so much. Sorry to hear that though and hopefully things turn around for you grading. I know I’m not the biggest fan of it but it has its place in this hobby. 😎🙏🏼
@the-pokeman7534
10 ай бұрын
@orionsires it does for sure but cgc is on a come up I kno alot of due hard psa lovers switching to cgc because of awful grading my friend got 2 5z on his pikachus from psa sent to cgc they both 10z now just saying it's not rocket science most of use know what cards will get before we send um psa has changed alot not as good as used to be when comes to consistency but you are right they all have issues but I've never experienced what psa has don't to me in the 15 years I've been grading thanks for the best wishes have a sub at cgc hoping for that gold lable they truly are nice!!
@shotofn887
Жыл бұрын
I Grade allot of modern Japanese Pokémon. The thing I will say if you are grading modern Japanese is that it basically has little to no flaws. PSA is the best, I consistently profit on my submissions because the large majority of my cards get 10s and there is just a huge market for PSA 10 cards. But when it comes to CGC if you look at sold listing's for most of the modern cards you are barley making a small amount of profit that when fees are accounted for you are basically breaking even or you just flat out loose money. I would recommend PSA just for the amount of interest in PSA slabs alone. I have friends that will literally crack CGC slabs and cross grade to PSA just because they don't sell because of what I mentioned earlier, that PSA slabs just have more interest in this market. If I was you if there is anything that gets 30 to 40 percent more because it is in a PSA slab I would just eat the cost of the extra 5 dollars and grade with Psa.
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
Great comment and I have heard similar stories but I still think there’s a HUGE opportunity grading with CGC. Really a big fan of the new slabs but I, like many other collectors, still collect psa mainly. Great comment and I’ll report back when I have some sales data of my own! Thank you for checking out my small channel! 😎🙏🏼
@Dr.Randy.Butternubs
7 ай бұрын
PSA label does look nice, but PSA 10 is too generic and readily faked. CGC will become more popular in the future and they do have a great case.
@orionsires
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment I agree they have a great case but fakes will be a problem no matter what in my opinion 🤷🏻♀️
@KMadTime
4 ай бұрын
From what Ive seen cgc is easier on vintage but harder on modern. Which I like. I prefer to buy modern singles of cgc because the price is lower but a better quality card
@orionsires
4 ай бұрын
I can definitely see that, they were brutal on my sub and I haven’t recovered since 😂
@RedmondGamer
2 ай бұрын
PSA for investment cards. CGC for everything else.
@orionsires
2 ай бұрын
I’m keeping it all psa but totally get the incentive to grade with cgc having cheaper costs 😎
@RedmondGamer
2 ай бұрын
@@orionsires Just pointing out that if you’re not looking to grade a card for investment purposes you pay an unnecessary premium for PSA. Plus, CGC grades 10s more generously due to the fact that cosmetics are largely take into account for Pristine grades. You run less risk getting a 9 or lower with CGC in my experience, while a PSA 10 is almost as elusive as a CGC Pristine.
@doneropersaud1607
Жыл бұрын
People are really digging the new CGC vs the old one. The slab and tags have gotten a nice revamp.
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
Agreed 😎 they should all be more competitive if they want to keep folks attention IMO
@WeyHighDesigns
Жыл бұрын
Psa is just where the liquidity is. Really a no brainer. No one wants cgc 8-9.5’s
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
So I agree that the liquidity is in PSA but why would another company have less chance if they grade permanently? Being competitive is good for both companies I just think there’s a huge chance here that the new CGC format will be favorable. I’m simply saying I’m bullish on this grading style. I don’t like the old cgc slabs but the new ones look really good IMO. Also I think cgc 9.5’s are absolutely what people want if they are smart and resub for 10’s. I just watched a 10 nidoking not pristine just gem mint and in auction (where less $ is spent) it went for more than mine in psa 9. How do you explain that? I mean grade compared to grade sure, PSA is better but CGC now is more easily giving folks 10’s and they may crack them for psa cross grading too but I think CGC could be the next big time player in grading because of the new changes. Both PSA and CGC look good to me. Worth thinking about, I’m going to sub to both companies either way. I personally still value my psa over cgc just saying this is a potential possibility in the future this could be a leading company?
@WeyHighDesigns
Жыл бұрын
@@orionsires I guess it’s subjective, I think the new slabs look boring and ugly. I guess some people like them. I think the new cgc grading scale is closer to psa scale. 10’s are generally just as easy to get at both companies. Cgc has the advantage of cheeper submissions now at I think $10-$12 with no subscription and faster turn around times. But a PSA 10 gem mint will always sell for more and usually faster than a CGC 10 gem mint. A psa 9 will sell for more and faster than a cgc 9, and so on…. cgc has been around long enough now that people know who they are and the product that they deliver. I just think it’s pretty obvious at this point that PSA is king and that’s not changing anytime soon. Unless it’s for a personal collection. Then that changes all of this, in that case cost and liquidity is irrelevant. Grade your cards in whatever slab you like better! :)
@LightningN1NjA
10 ай бұрын
Nobody wants PSA 8 or 9s either
@iMerkCODM
11 ай бұрын
I buy both but honestly if it’s a fire type PSA looks great & water type looks sweet with the classic CGC blue label
@orionsires
11 ай бұрын
Yes! I totally agree with the old CGC labels I also think those could be valuable some day because they aren’t making them anymore ! Great comment 😎🙏🏼
@Nathion-Gold
9 ай бұрын
People forget that CGC has an umbrella of companies that grade various products besides cards.
@orionsires
9 ай бұрын
This is important and very true they had a lock down on the comics market for forever and now seems like they’ve truly branched out to everything! 😎🙏🏼
@the_gengar_master
Жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, buy the card not the grade or grader if the moneys right, but for my collection going forward I am only sticking with PSA. Whether I have to crack slabs or resubmit idc. I just don't like how CGC changes their standards on the fly and BGS looks amazing but the premiums when out here buying are just a deterrent unless its a card that demands such which is few and far between. Just my thoughts.
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I can see that being the case with others too PSA has maintained a consistent design through and through but I would like to see them upgrade the casing regardless. Then again that sort of thing is a cost to consumers so maybe it’s best left alone?
@rbscards
Жыл бұрын
I look at grading companies as different tools in the toolbox. If you want to churn and burn CGC is likely better to do that because of faster turnaround times and cheaper grading, but the resale value isn’t there. PSA is more expensive and slower, but bring higher resale values. I mainly use PSA though. On the note of slab quality CGC has better slabs but PSA from what I have heard has made improvements so we will see about that. Definitely can’t wait to see the returns
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
That is a phenomenal comment and I pretty much agree , and it would definitely be great to see all these companies making money grading update their styles to try and dial them in. There’s only so much you can do right ? Lol
@BtMo-og2cw
Жыл бұрын
I think it is good for the hobby if we have more than one dominator in grading. If more people use cgc we with see PSA values lower. It just has to do with the people who want one brand of grading for their personal collection. Everyone wins if cgc vales are same as Psa in my opinion
@PokeMage87
Жыл бұрын
I would encourage you to submit some cards you plan to flip with each submission. It helps cover the cost and if you hit 10’s most of the time you make money and get to keep the cards you wanted for your personal collection, and all for free!
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
That is the plan ! I am keeping everything from psa but plan to definitely sell cards from cgc as I sent several duplicates ! 😎 great comment!
@LightningN1NjA
10 ай бұрын
PSA slabs feel inferior, CGCs new slabs are fire fire fire!!!!
@orionsires
10 ай бұрын
I agree with this 100% but psa still holds the premiums! 😎
@DubstopherWubson13
6 ай бұрын
I hope the CGC gets more popular and takes out PSA.. I hate PSA slabs and their label. CGC and their new slabs/labels feel way more premium
@orionsires
6 ай бұрын
I agree I hope CGC becomes more widely accepted and adopted I have a few slabs I didn’t sell yet but I just have way too many psa slabs to collect CGC now. Thanks for watching and sharing! 😎🙏🏼
@leighann08729
Жыл бұрын
I just pulled that umbreon 2 days ago i love that card i feel like that is very under valued i feel like there are umbreon cards that are so much more money but dont look as good as this one
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
Right in congrats on the pull ! Idk man there are some great artworks that I think will remain classics but there’s room for multiple Umbreon classics 😎
@MaxwellTrading500
11 ай бұрын
Case preference and prices aside… what is the better CARD QUALITY: psa 10 or cgc gem mint?
@orionsires
11 ай бұрын
I am going to do a follow up video on this because I don’t think it’s a fair comparison with the many variables that must be taken into account. But to answer your question I will take a psa 10 one gem mint 10. But compared to a pristine 10 for a better lower price might take the CGC over PSA. 🙏🏼😎
@SportsCardsWithLee
2 ай бұрын
Is the portuguese v max rayaquza 218 are they real
@orionsires
2 ай бұрын
I mean they do make Portuguese cards so I guess so ? 🤷🏻♀️
@SportsCardsWithLee
2 ай бұрын
Asking a question
@SportsCardsWithLee
2 ай бұрын
@@orionsiresdoes light pass through them
@Axe_z33
Жыл бұрын
I realized that a psa 9 cost more than a cgc 9
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! 😎
@smbmostfamous1432
11 ай бұрын
Also depends on the rarity, there are some CGC 9s worth more than PSA 9s even PSA 10 it all depends who is behind the slab!!
@6ofwrev704
Жыл бұрын
PSA is more forgiving with centering. Fact.
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
You think so? I disagree I think they are probably the harshest of them all but what do I know lol 😂 😎
@6ofwrev704
Жыл бұрын
@@orionsires Watch some return videos. So many 10's that are off-centered. But I feel it's cool that PSA recognizes a factor that consumers can't control. So, good for them.
@3ghostman332
Жыл бұрын
I collect both psa and cgc. Cgc is just better in my opinion. Psa is main stream all the cool kids go with psa ( money factor)
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m thinking CGC could be a competitive player soon. I like both! New labels are fire ! 😎
@3ghostman332
Жыл бұрын
@@orionsires I love the new labels as well. Especially the prestine
@BtMo-og2cw
Жыл бұрын
I think you will find that your daughter will not care about Pokemon until about 7-8 years old. And usually before that age it's not a good idea to have her in your collection room unattended
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
Haha oh I know exactly what happens when she goes into the collection she grabs everything 😂
@johnmccrary6701
Жыл бұрын
@@orionsiresI was wondering this same question my daughter is 1
@connermorgan9223
3 ай бұрын
CGC is just as reputable as a company as PSA is, they’ve been in the grading business for decades. And now that the ugly blue label is gone, I’d rather take the superior and clearer slabs over PSA (at a better price point too!) any day
@orionsires
3 ай бұрын
Hey everyone is entitled to their opinions! A lot of long time collectors have switched over for the price points, but I’ve primarily got psa so I’m sticking with them. Also since the boom has ended the turn around times for psa have gotten much better! 😎
@connermorgan9223
3 ай бұрын
I agree everyone has their preferences. For me it seems people use PSA primarily to flip cards. Like I’ll still buy already graded PSA cards because that’s what is primarily on the market but I will be sending raws to CGC because I like their slabs more overall as a collector and I’d rather boost their numbers for the competition.
@DBZTCG
Жыл бұрын
I’m only grading with CGC from now on, everything about the slab & label is quality 👍
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
Right!?! I am a BIG fan of the style and the price bracket. Can’t wait for my submission to come back in a few days!! Great comment! 😎🙏🏼
@maverickbonato8164
Жыл бұрын
Man I wish I had access to either one, after shipments, customs and whatever else Bulk would cost 35 dollars to grade from where I live xD I need a friend in America that's also into Pokemon ngl lol
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry to hear that maverick maybe join the discord and see if anyone can help? You never know 😎
@maverickbonato8164
Жыл бұрын
@@orionsires That's an idea although before giving people cards worth a decent bit + the money to grade said cards I really have to trust them quite a bit xP
@trainerbrew9274
Жыл бұрын
Add me
@df6587
5 ай бұрын
PSA looks cheap, flimsy, ugly. I’m going to CGC.
@orionsires
5 ай бұрын
More and more folks are going to CGC so I can’t blame ya 😎 I still like psa personally 😂
@Thomasisapro
Жыл бұрын
CGC is the Goat now… PSA has fallen
@orionsires
Жыл бұрын
You know, it’s funny when I first posted this mostly it was PSA > CGC but since then I’ve seen a lot more CGC favored comments. PSA better watch out! I will say PSA can’t be beat for consistency but cgc is better IMO for value 😎🙏🏼
@smbmostfamous1432
11 ай бұрын
CGC all day long on everything SLABS Grading i mean everything, PSA is going to fall in years to come SGC BGS CGC will all be on top soon!!
@orionsires
11 ай бұрын
That’s a BIG statement haha idk about beating PSA but they at least deserve a chance ya know great comment regardless ! 😎🙏🏼
@smbmostfamous1432
11 ай бұрын
@@orionsires PSA will always be on top but you know gotta give those other grading companies credit too, that's why said it lol.
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