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@EGSComicsGrading
9 күн бұрын
The Time is Now!
@ComicsCurated
9 күн бұрын
Great job mentioning the point about long-term investment in the industry. And I also love your point about not losing money, but just getting less profit. After all, if this is really about preserving comic books, then using CGC is actively doing the opposite. They keep showing that over and over. Great vid!
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
Exactly!!
@TheGMan366
9 күн бұрын
"I want to say thank you so much for this. Your wallet sends a message. I could not agree more. Another reason I won't send my collections in. It's all about, like you said, quick buck. Humans need to wake up!" The G man totally approves! 😉Well don my man.
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@Notfritenite
9 күн бұрын
I bought a handful of graded books this week and they weren't cgc slabs. They've been giving collectors the bone for years this is the time to wave goodbye. 💯
@brute_nm
9 күн бұрын
Very good counterpoints, appreciate the discussion 😊
@JernosComicsPopCulture
7 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ComicsCurated
9 күн бұрын
Down with cgc. The only way I can see it happening is for the large names on KZitem to preach against it and start using other graders instead. The value will follow the books because that's what's actually valuable here.
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
Exactly. And not just large names, but large names on KZitem that are also dealers, like Dave from CB Investments, or Bry's.
@ObiShinobi-bg2tk
9 күн бұрын
I agree 100% with everything you just said. I was big on cgc until this happened. Cbcs , egs, or even pgx for pc books. I'll take a look at psa when they come in, but not going back to cgc. Great video!
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@ObiShinobi-bg2tk
9 күн бұрын
@@JernosComicsPopCulture anytime! I'm glad youtubers are finally speaking up and making it right.
@johnphipps3287
8 күн бұрын
Plastic is the best and worst way to encapsulate our comics. I will not grade my comics because of all the trouble plastic causes.
@INFINITEKINGSTAR
9 күн бұрын
It's not just this most recent issue, They also are damaging books when you send them to be graded
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
Yeah how many covers have they ripped off?
@INFINITEKINGSTAR
9 күн бұрын
@@JernosComicsPopCulture seriously I just recently sent in a book for reholder it gets dropped from 9.8 to 9.4 and now the Center of the cover has massive indent its so bad I know its not even a 9.4 maybe 8.5 , 9 tops I contacted them told them there's no way this happens with a reholder and if it was that damaged beforehand it's impossible that I would have got a 9.8 , I sent pictures and they told me that there's nothing they can do other than send the book back so they can determine how something like this would happen crazy!
@poing333
8 күн бұрын
I fully agree with everything you said. A lot of institutions would need to be regulated for CGC to fall off. Black Rock owns CGC & and also 8% of Heritage Auctions, for example. Dealers do need to make the choice but we should have laws not loopholes 🙄 I guess we need all these connections across the industry clearly laid out, showing they have an effect on an established market, to even have that conversation.
@comicbookchris3509
9 күн бұрын
I clean/press/CGC for part of my living. The market has certainly been adjusting in the wrong for a number of months. It's been so slow that I haven't bothered to send any books to CGC for almost 3 months. I used to send off 25-50 every month or so. I'm like a pinball when it comes to the market. I'll go with the $$$ flows. If this online inertia Vs CGC takes hold to where the consumer starts choosing other grading companies and paying close to CGC prices then I'm game to send to other grading companies. I've only had one book sent back because the customer claimed it was CGC graded too high out of well over 1000 sent to CGC.
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing this. I want to ask some questions to you from a seller's standpoint. Do you feel you risk less by sending to CGC and getting a damaged book than going to CBCS and getting maybe 15% less on your return? And my second question is this: With everything I said in the video, do you as a seller not feel responsible continuing to support questionable products/services JUST because it's going to get you a few extra dollars to your bottom line? For example, if you were running a BMW dealership, and you knew that one of your distributors was actually putting fake cheaper engines in the BMW's they were selling to you, but you knew that you could still maximize your profits by selling them, would you still do it? Not apples to apples, I get it. But I think that's where we are at with CGC. It's hard to put this all on the consumers to make THEM change, when sellers, dealers, etc. are still vouching for a product that is not as it seems, ran by a company that refuses to take accountability.
@comicbookchris3509
9 күн бұрын
@@JernosComicsPopCulture I have never re-examined any book sent from CGC. If I have to do that then it defeats the whole grading process. I check for any damaged slabs when they come in. I might be lucky as I've only had maybe 7 cracked slabs. Apparently I've missed out on the warped inner wells as it appears it is a recent issue. I guess I've been really lucky to not get a noticeable human damaged book back from CGC. If CGC refused to let me send back damaged books on their dime that would be a game changer as I'd look elsewhere to slab and deal with the 15% less return with CBCS. As to knowing if a book has issues; before I learned how to fix newton rings I did tell consumers there were newton rings. If i knew I had inner well bended books I would contact CGC. I would expect, at no cost to me, them to press the bent books and hopefully not down grade. If they refused to fix the bend then we would have a serious problem with customer relations. I've learned your reputation is king so any damaged books that I know of would not get to a consumer without telling them. If the extra $25 to send back for grading could be covered I'd probably crack all those bent books and re-press. On the ones I didn't re-press I'd tell the buyers about the bend and get what I could get...
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
@@comicbookchris3509 Appreciate hearing your thoughts!
@grumpy_goose
9 күн бұрын
Preaching to the choir here. I only trust CBCS to grade and handle my comics. Their slab is the best hands down too.
@pitavtcwatts
9 күн бұрын
Exactly... I've been telling ppl CBCS is the go to slab. I don't understand the CGC hype which they've over & over done plenty of mistakes. PGX goof off & everyone hates on them. But ppl keeps making up excuses for CGC doing the same thing. Herd mentality
@JediFarce
9 күн бұрын
I'm still going to keep buying CGC slabs, I just may avoid any produced in 2024
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
Good point
@WadeNslade
9 күн бұрын
I noticed in may that the 2024 9.6 slab grades looked worse than before the barcodes pre 2023. Thought it was a one off
@darthlopez9871
9 күн бұрын
Oh but still CGC for life
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
lolll
@darthlopez9871
9 күн бұрын
Yeah I’m probably done grading books anyway plus I’m going digital for marvel & just buy a few indie’s I read
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
Feel you on that!
@horvathsogranfume658
9 күн бұрын
based take
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
Based?
@calebleland8390
8 күн бұрын
I'll come at it from someone with a business degree. Competition is healthy for the market, and CHC has had a stranglehold on the market for years. Yes, they were the gold standard for a long time. But like you and Swag both said, the industry needs to speak with their dollars. The longer collectors keep accepting CGC as the only company worthy of our money, they know that they can lower their standards as long as they're viewed as the only company worth our money. It's not right that a CGC slab can command more money that CGCS or EGS when they are putting in the work to put out a quality product. Just my two cents.
@JernosComicsPopCulture
7 күн бұрын
100%
@calebleland8390
6 күн бұрын
@@JernosComicsPopCulture I was hoping that I was making sense. I had just woken up when I typed that. 😆😆
@weasellyone2
9 күн бұрын
My last lot of books back was 45 books and although a slight curve to the inner well none showed damage or the waviness of the cover. I have books on the way back now from CGC and I noticed that all the regular thickness books with regular paper covers all have a support running along the back of the spine for almost the entire book. Card stock and thinker books did not have this. They had this in the past but these are much longer and no idea on thickness of them. Now I don't have them in hand yet and they are in transit but the photos from CGC all look good. I would send to CBCS but despite what people say they take longer to sell unless you drop the price from my experience. When PSA starts up I will send a few to them and see what the response to them is. Market dictates what happens, I like how CGC slabs look compared to CBCS but CBCS slab are superior but they just look clunky.
@JernosComicsPopCulture
6 күн бұрын
The new CBCS slabs actually are a bit slimmer than CGC's
@weasellyone2
6 күн бұрын
@@JernosComicsPopCulture I'm not talking about their thickness. I'm talking about how they look visually. The cgc slabs have a clean look to them, whereas the cbcs slabs are very busy around the borders is the best way to describe it. I'm not saying they're terrible, they're just not as nice to look at.
@JernosComicsPopCulture
6 күн бұрын
@@weasellyone2 Oh yes! I agree, 100% there.
@kyleroussel
8 күн бұрын
I think for the most part everyone agrees that it's time to pull the rug out from under CGC....but everyone is looking at each other going "you first!" Nobody wants to be the first person to jump ship and "start the movement". And let's be honest - CBCS in particular has not done nearly enough to capitalize on the many golden opportunities that CGC has handed them. Scandal after scandal and CBCS sits pretty much silently. Are they waiting for people to flock over? In my opinion they aren't doing enough to entice people. Maybe I've missed their marketing efforts, but I am subscribed to their newsletter and it's been business as usual the whole time. They're not aggressive or hungry enough to change minds and gain new business. Maybe they assume that CGC's continuous fumbling is doing the marketing for them at no cost, but it's clearly not working. It's going to take a coordinated effort from the community in order to shift things in the right direction.
@JernosComicsPopCulture
7 күн бұрын
You're right about the "you first" problem. I'm just curious though; what do you think CBCS needs to to make more of an "effort?"
@kyleroussel
6 күн бұрын
@@JernosComicsPopCulture The "you first" problem may supersede anything CBCS could potentially do, but as Gretzky says "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take". For starters, there's a prevailing notion that CBCS has awful, rock-bottom customer service. I don't know if that's true or not since I have never dealt with them (the two pressers I've used refuse to deal with them, which is their prerogative). If their customer service is as bad as the common perception is, then that's a poison pill that they need to address with all of their resources and attention. I also don't find them aggressive enough. At each CGC scandal, CBCS seemingly stood by on the sidelines, except for that "banana in a slab" thing they did recently. Cute. But did it net them anything? They need to be more "vocal" and hungry about getting new business, which means they need to grab whatever opportunities their competition gives them. And with PSA on the horizon, it feels like CBCS is already the defacto #3, even if PSA hasn't slabbed a single book yet. CBCS seems to be letting things happen without much of a response. They have a better case than CGC, and a much nicer label (IMO). They don't seem to be leveraging any of that. But before any of that, they need to address their customer service issues, either with staffing and training, or hiring a PR firm to help them combat the false narrative.
@mr.chandler9555
9 күн бұрын
When a majority of the collectors start refusing to buy the newer CGC comic slabs affected by Banana Gate and also stop submitting orders to CGC for grading it might hurt them enough to finally get their act together. If not this when PSA joins the comic grading game that will definitely start to set things in motion. Unfortunately, all this is going to take time and hopefully both CBCS and ESG will be able to step up both their advertising and marketing game to acquire a good chunk of CGC's lost customer base. I would also like to add that collectors have to ask themselves what is the point in slabbing older comics if the grading companies themselves are knowingly damaging books!? At that point it would be better just to buy and flip raws if your only in it for the money? I would like to think that the majority of collectors aren't interested so much in the money making aspect of the hobby and actually want to preserve and protect their books for their family and future generations to come.
@JernosComicsPopCulture
7 күн бұрын
Well put.
@humannature7329
9 күн бұрын
Nice vid 💯
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
👊🏻👊🏻
@robertbaker4811
9 күн бұрын
All of the big auction houses have decided that CGC is it so here we are......
@JernosComicsPopCulture
9 күн бұрын
It doesn’t begin and end at auction houses though.
@DanQR5
9 күн бұрын
What's your degree in college? You are very good in problem solving. Have you taken six sigma?
@JernosComicsPopCulture
7 күн бұрын
Thanks! My degree is Business Management, also have a minor in sociology. Never taken a specific class on Six Sigma but definitely studied it.
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